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Apollo BBS Archive - July 19, 1991

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Message: 7625
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/18/91  Time: 11:35:58

        I do not read supermarket RAGS... you do I suppose.

        I have read about the Libertarian party...  When I joined, I read
everything, and found out they are radicals with no real plan on how to do
anything.  I became very uncomfortable with them to the point it gave me
shivers.  Like the enemy coming in the back door quietly.  Here you have 
a party (the libertarians) telling you they will shut down the IRS, and yet
they can't even get on the ballot.

        In the past, communists got in by telling people fantastic lies that
sounded too good to be true...  The libertarian party smacks of the same
rhetoric.  Dean has you believeing the libertarian people are not subject to
greed or crime... but it is fact, power corrupts, and the libertarians are
not immune to this.

        *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 7626
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff/Idea
Date: 07/18/91  Time: 22:56:26

Here is another idea for an upgrade to Apollo.
 
I think it would be nice if you had a CC: (Copy to) option in the post
office, so that if say, a user wanted to send you and Bill Burkett a message
reguarding a suggestion or a complaint, that they wouldn't have to type it
again.  It would also be nice if there was a forward function after yuou
were done reading it.  So that if you where talking about a hobby that
someone else was interested in, like a meeting time and place, you could
just send it right to him...  Cliff, I am sure you could find time between
the Wife, Kids and 'Cuda, to make an upgrade to your baby...   :-)
 
 
Anyone else like this Idea?   Speak up...  User involvement, let's hear it!

----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8

Message: 7627
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Libertarians
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:40:20

The Libertarian Party is evidence in its very existence that there is
movement and organization.  The popular (controlled) news media is
controlled by government.

If anyone under government regulation steps out of line, so to speak, then
government holds the upper hand and can pull their license, harass them
throught the IRS, have them all investigated by the FBI and do hits using
the CIA.  They all stand a chance of being Jim Morrisoned, so to speak.
                                

Message: 7628
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/to good to be
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:43:09

> If something sounds too good to be true then it can't be done.

Cliff, if that were true then you'd still be in Russia.

Message: 7629
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Felix/smoke
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:51:34

Then don't work at a steel mill or be one the street six hours before and
six hours after rush hour.

I believe that a person can and does more injury to themselves from stuffing
mass into their stomach pouches than into their lungs.  Both the stomach and
the lungs are both carriers of proteins to all parts of the body.  Some
vegetable products contain energy when put into smoke or other form and
taken in.  A Big Mac is harmful but is not a felony nor should it be, but
with proper education I doubt people would want to eat one very often.

                                Rod
P.S.  I did that paranoia piece just for you.

Message: 7630
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/communism
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:53:04

If the communist and libertarian philosophy is the same then I am confused. 
Now, tell us the truth, did that come from one of Sandy's books?

Just checking, dude.

                                        Rod

Message: 7631
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Election
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:58:53

Suppose they gave an election and no one voted.  No one would win.  They
couldn't assume office because each contender would think it was their place
to take that office and they'd end up settling it behind the bar or with
a 'hit' on their competition.  Look at how much cleaner our streets would be
after that with no election signs messing up the landscape.  Sounds good to
me, count me in on that non-vote issue.
                                Rod

Message: 7632
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Closet Joke
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 01:41:43

Paul is really a closet atheist and Cliff is a closet libertarian (every two
weeks).

Message: 7633
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 09:59:12

And you're a closet Christian!

Message: 7634
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff on vote
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:35:47

Who said I didn't vote? When I go to the polls, I put my X where I want it -
but I don't put anything where I don't want either candidate. Where you just
vote for the lessor of two evil - it is the likes of you that are ruining
this nation, not I! 
 
Re: your ... "it is always better if the LESSOR of two evils gets in then
the Greater evil getting in."
 
Again, I find you fanatical. What pray tell is the Greater evil? Satan? 
Oh! You mean the Libertarians! 
 
If I am 'BITCHING' - does that mean you are 'SON-OF-A-BITCHING'?
 
                      -=* Bitchin Annie *=-

Message: 7635
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff on Libs.
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:45:23

Did you ever belong or now belong to the John Birch Society? My god man! Do
you think EVERYTHING is Communistic! 
 
Dean has never even suggested that the Libertarians are perfect - not have
greed or crime! 
 
You said ... "but it is fact, power corrupts, and the Libertarians are not
immune to this."
 
What in the heck do you think is terriably wrong with the two parties we
have now Cliff? They are totally, irreversibly, decadent, power hungrey,
greedy, immoral and beyond saving! 99% if ALL our problems can be blaimed on
the government/politicians if one looks close enough. 
 
You would reather keep everything as it is now than try something new.
I just don't understand that from a person that touts freedom all over the
place. Here is a party that just may give you 'real' freedom someday and you
won't even look closer and when you do, you see evil communism!??!
                               *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 7636
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann/Cliff
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:07:48

  What I was thinking, in my own strange way, when I wrote that you must be
standing outside reality if communism and libertarianism look the same, was
how any two objects might seem to be following the same path depending on
your own path relative to them. It just seemed to me that the vantage point
from which advocating the absolute state is the same thing as advocating the
minimal state must be located somewhere outside normal space.
  Did you understand that? I'd worry more if you did than if you didn't.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7637
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:11:46

  I heard an interesting quote from a character in a TV movie last night,
"Complete paranoia is complete awareness."
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7638
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/power
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:20:58

  If a platform calling for a great reduction in state power were adopted as
public policy, there would be much less power in the hands of officials to
corrupt them. It would not be necessary for the office holders to be above
human weaknesses in order for them to be less of a danger to the rest of us
than the current establishment.
  Would you care to tell us where you got the idea that the freedoms we
would stand to regain from a reduction in state power would depend upon the
whims of those serving in such a marginal state apparatus?
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7639
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/Too Good
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:29:51

 'If something sounds too good to be true then it can't be done.'

  If you had been told five years ago that the Soviet Union was going to
collapse and come to us, hat in hand, to ask for help in remaking themselves
in our image, I'm sure you would have said it was too good to be true.
  If you had been told two years ago that we would go to war against the
million man force of Iraq's military, on their home turf, and destroy them
with only 100 hours of ground combat and light American casualties, you
would probably have said that that was too good to be true as well.
  The quote you should have made was, "If it sounds too good to be true, it
probably is." Regaining our freedom probably is too good to be true, but
only because there are so many well-meaning enemies of freedom, not because
freedom's champions are not worthy of support.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7640
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/election
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:38:23

  What we really need is a "None of the Above" choice on all ballots. If
only a greater and a lesser evil are offered it is better to let the office
go unfilled and the paycheck remain unclaimed until someone capable of
defeating "None of the Above" in a fair contest does so.
  The problem with that is it allows the voter a real choice rather than a
forced selection of the few alternatives the establishment wants to give
them. It could put an end to people not voting, because it is a much better
way of showing dissatisfaction than staying home. Those who would like to
channel the voter along predictable lines do not like this idea. You don't
even need to look any further than the nearest CRT to see an example.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7641
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/Lectures
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:00:55

    Because it not only provides evidence from the earth and fossil record
that the Genesis accounts of creation and the flood are accurate, but it
also exposes evolution for what it is (a religion in itself), and the real
conflict not being between science and religion, but the difference between
the science of one religion versus the science of another religion.
    I believed the accuracy of the Bible, but always had difficulties with
Genesis 1-2 (due mainly to the induction and brainwashing into the
evolutionary religious mindset fed to me in the public schools.)  But this
series of lectures has dashed away those difficulties.  It provides good
solid foundation, based upon the geological and fossil records, that Genesis
1-2 correlate far better and more consistently with the aforementioned
evidence than do the various evolutionary theories.
   I admit my bias. But everyone is biased, be it atheists, agnostics,
theists or revelationists.  Take an atheistic evolutionist, for example. 
Can an atheistic evolutionist, in the course of his studies, ever take into
the account the possibility that God created anything?  Certainly not...and
why?  Because as soon as he does, what does he cease being?  Of course, an
ATHEIST.  Can a creationist ever take into account that God didn't create?
The answer again is, no.  So it's not a matter of whether you're biased or
not, but rather a matter of which bias is the best bias to be biased with.

Message: 7642
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Beau / 7602
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:03:08

     I certainly will, thank you.

 
Daryl "Evolution is a Lie" Westfall

Message: 7643
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean / Creation
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:10:04

    Then you have never seen or heard from lectures from such scientists and
speakers as Ken Ham, Gary Parker and John Whitcomb.  I have the first two on
videotape (a ten-hour seminar on creation/evolution) and the third, also on
video, in a series of six one-hour lectures.
 
    And before Mr. Moral James says a single word, the copyrights on these
videos allow for free-use and non-profit duplication for private study
and/or group use.  So I am within the boundaries of the law. Plbrfth.
 
    Trust me, these guys are nothing short of first rate.  If you are
interested in seeing these videos sometime, please let me know and I will be
more than happy to let you borrow a set.  I'm not placing bets that they
will change your mind, but I'm sure they will at least let you know that
creation scientists DO do their homework.  If you're interested, drop me a
line in the Post Office.

Message: 7644
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod / 7609
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:11:17

    And hashish a la mode for dessert?

X-Rated Cosmos Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 4940
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:50:03

And we have survived many trips to the Zone haven't we? Keep up the buttons.
They are hilarious. 
 
I have not been to Gallery X yet and look forward to it one of these days.
I do get brochures in the mail from them and always intend to go but....!
Sounds interesting. See you my god. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 4941
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: spelling test
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 15:11:23

We got a Metropophobobia flyer on our windshield at the Lollapaloosa
concert.

Message: 4942
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:04:11

Sounds like a commie plot.

End of the Universe Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 1905
Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
Category: Blowing Smoke
Subject: Sandy as EMT
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 21:50:31

        Sandy is working on an ambulance now..has been for the past 3 weeks.
Today she got a lecture from someone she had to transport... This person was
a long time smoker and now she has to *fight* for every breath... that is
about 20 times per minute.  Sandy does not even smoke, and she has this
woman telling her to keep away from the stuff.

        As for the lady smoker...  she too was a millitant PRO smoker who
thought it was all bull from the anti smoking people...till it was too late.
Now she wishes she had heeded the warnings...she would not be in the mess
she is now with no hope of getting out of it.  Sandy said she was pathetic
and so upset....    A life ruined when one should enjoy their grandchildren.

                        clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

Message: 1906
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:05:20

Yeah, she's smoking the wrong stuff.

Public Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 76801
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger Lantern
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:20:15

Or Green Mann, whichever. I have no problem understanding our "relationship"
at all, Roger. There is none.

Message: 76802
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Green Thing
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:21:58

 Re-read the first post you put on here after your name change. After you
do, if you have to ask what sarcasm is, you'll never know.

Message: 76803
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie/insurance
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:25:36

 If your business is listed in the Yellow Pages, how many calls do you get
per week from some telephone solicitor or other, always asking for the
"owner or manager", wanting to sell you health insurance?
 Don't you just love to waste your time with people like that?

Message: 76804
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Question?
Subject: Annie/addiction
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:28:20

"But I don't smoke, dearie"
 What? Is this your annual week off, or what? When did you quite this time?
If you really did, congratulations! It takes about a year to get all the
gunk out of your lungs, and then you're on your way to much better health.
Go for it!

Message: 76805
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie/Paul
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:36:38

 THere is no "supplement" to the Bible, Ann. The Bible stands alone as the
total, complete and absolute Word of Almighty God. What I said was simly
that there are certain things written in the Bible that pertained to
situations and circumstances that existed in Biblical times that no longer
exist. I tried to explain the one about women keeping silent in the church,
but you apparently missed the rest of that post. I haven't seen a place of
worship in my life that had a curtain in th middle separating the men from
the women, such as existed when Paul wrote that admonition against shouting
out in the holy place. One doesn't need any specific "ancient writing" to
know the customs of that day. Any study of temporal customs will create an
understanding of the circumstances.
 Incidentally, I have learned much truth over the years from women teaching
in the church. Matter of fact, if it weren't for women, we would no doubt
have a very serious shortage of Sunday School teachers.

Message: 76806
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/76794
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:44:03

 My reference to "slimy ooze" was more a comment on my distaste for the
color green, which is not my favorite.
 As to the hate and name calling, I agree, it is not the Christian way, but
how many times am I to turn the other cheek? I was under the impression that
ROger and I agreed that the nonsense was silly, anad we were going to cease
and desist. All ROger did was change his name after one day in the Zone. His
message content hasn't changed appreciably. Am I to put up with his sarcasm
and nonsense in silence, all in the name of Christianity? (After one "turns
the other cheek", the Good Book gives no further instructions, so it seems
only fair to render fire for fire.) I'm more than willing to stop anytime,
but I'm not all that willing to put up AND shut up. THe day that Roger
"Green Lantern" Mann ceases and desists is the day I do also. He stops
baiting the hook. I stop biting. Fair enough?

Message: 76807
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Four Freedoms
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 06:43:47

Anyone remember the four freedoms ? I remember a Saturday Evening Post cover
by Norman Rockwell. Were they: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion,
Freedom from Fear?, and Freedom from Want? Well, all you old fogies help me
out here.

Message: 76808
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Religion
Subject: Bible Supplement
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 07:15:35

OK, Ann, there's no supplement to the Bible.  However, what does happen is
that Christians spend days and weeks sitting around trying to figure out how
some embarrassing Bible quote could *possibly* be explained rationally.  One
of the ways is to invent some ancient custom.  If the ancient custom hasn't
been invented yet, then you get the "you need to spend years in order to
understand" answer which I got a month or so back.  There is also the "you
shouldn't pretend to understand God, he is beyond your petty rational mind"
retort -- saved for those who get particularly embarrassing.

Message: 76809
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/Green
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 07:54:40

I don't understand why you keep referring to me as "Green Mann" and "Roger
Lantern." While it is mildly amusing, I must confess that I am somewhat
irritated by your insistence on associating me with Roger Mann. Also, your
most unkind remarks about my opening remarks to you are certainly uncalled
for. However, now that I have been the subject of your uncalled-for insults,
I can sympathize more readily with Mr. Mann and understand his reaction to
ad hominem attacks in the past. Therefore, I will ignore any posts you may
address to me in the future that I consider to be insulting, but I will
reply to any you send to me that show normal courtesy.

Message: 76810
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Thad/Prisons
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 08:29:52

> Yes, there are violent criminals who should be kept apart from
> society, but who do not deserve death.
 
In that case, I would agree with you.
 
I wrote and produced a videotape a couple years ago that dealt with
intensive probation supervision, a program that basically involves house
arrest for certain types of non-violent felons.  Generally speaking, it
permits them to leave their homes only for work, school or court-mandated
counselling.  The program also places a heavy emphasis on restitution and
both regular and surprise visits by probations officers several times each
week.
 
All in all, I was quite impressed by intensive probation and the results it
has shown so far.  And it's cheaper than prison!

Message: 76811
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on #76777
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 10:57:49

I cannot believe that you are serious about putting Pauley in the Zone for
that green slime comment about the Green Lantern. What is with all this 
'threats of the Zone' all of a sudden? I would hardly call him being
un-christian in that post or nasty at all. I took it he meant it in a joking
way.
AND - where is Pauley so angry that you accuse him of? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76812
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green on doctors
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:02:45

I think also that because doctors have modern medicine at their fingertips,
they will use it no matter the expense, (maybe because of it) just because
it's there! 
 
In 1983 my mother-in-law had a valve put in her heart. She never saw the
doctor that preformed the operation before or after! Luckily, she had
insurance and found out later that they paid that doctor over $10,000 for
that operation (seems awfully high to me)! Over the years, she well paid
that money and much more and I thought it at least entitled her to meet the
doctor that had her life in his hands. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76813
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on phone
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:08:54

I guess phone soliciting is the highest thing on my list that I'd like to
get rid of! EVERY night during the hours of 5 to 7 (dinner time) we get at
LEAST 2 calls and more like 4 calls per night!! Usually, one is a computer
too and that is the highest insult a business could do to it's protential
customers!!! Not too long ago on TV, they did a story on phone soliciting
and said it was profitable - which surprised me. All I know is, no matter
what they are selling, whether I wish for their product with all my heart, I
would not buy it on principle alone! The computer advertisments are not
faring well however! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76814
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on smoking
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:11:15

I have not had a cigarette for over 6 months - however, I have not quit
smoking! I am only not smoking at this time because of choice, nothing else!
When I want to smoke again, I will and willingly and with joy! Sorry to
burst your bubble Pauley! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76815
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on church
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:18:44

You said ... "I tried to explain the one about women keeping silent in the
church, but you apparently missed the rest of that post."
 
I didn't miss it at all  - but you apparantly missed the rest of mine. How
about ...
Timothy Chap. 2 vs. 8???? "I (Paul) permit no woman to teach or to have
authority over men, she is to keep silent?!
 
Sorry, but it doesn't sound to me like he was 'going with the times' on that
one. It is clear and precise. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76816
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Doggy # 76808
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:22:37

Yeah - I figured that out. They are all so mysterious - knowing something we
don't know etc. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76817
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on alies
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:28:38

I thought the reason you made it 'no alias' on Apollo a while back because
of what's happening now between Pauley and Green Lantern. BUT - you could
clear this up quite simply by stating that Green Lantern IS NOT Roger Mann
as you have done before with other members! Green can protest until he is
blue in the face and no one will believe him, but a word from you WILL be
believed! If you do not deny that he is Roger, then we will assume he is
then! I think this is all fair. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76818
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: News
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:57:05

What do you all think about the $25,000 pay raise the senators voted in for
themselves? I for one am going to raise holy hell over that - telephone
calls and scathing letters - especially to the senator of Virgina. What a
sneak! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76819
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Crime/Punishment
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:42:21

  That was well said and I agree with most of it.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 76820
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Nudity
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:46:49

Points well taken.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 76821
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Politics
Subject: Bill/Probation
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:53:39

Do you have access to any of the results ? I like the idea that a method can
be found to turn a person who takes from society into a person who
contributes to society.

Message: 76822
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Phone Solicitors
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:56:35

I firmly, yet politely, tell any phone solicitor that calls that I do not
buy anything from phone solicitors. This direct approach seems to work very
well as it does not lead into some of the more aggressive tactics these
callers use to get you to listen to them. I have also found that the
frequency of phone solicitation has gone down.

Message: 76823
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: phone solicitors
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 15:04:51

The last time I heard from a telephone solicitor was months ago.  How do you
guys get so many calls?

Message: 76824
Author: Thad Coons
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Other Cheek
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 16:45:27

  You might consider Jesus' example at his trial, where he was
accused of many things and questioned many questions by those
who were only looking for an excuse to accuse him-- He answered them
nothing, for the most part, and when he did, his response was perfectly
calm and mild.
 I can't quite point to a specific scripture, but in view of Jesus'
instructions to forgive brothers "Until seventy time seven", and his
general instructions, "blessed are the meek" and humble, It seems
rather out of harmony with the spirit of his teachings to return
insult for insult and mockery for mockery, or persecution for
persecution.

Message: 76825
Author: Thad Coons
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Four Freedoms
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 16:47:49

That is correct. The Four Freedoms, and the paintings to match them, are
posted on one of the walls at my work place.

Message: 76826
Author: Thad Coons
Category: Politics
Subject: Congressional Pay
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 17:01:29

One of the members of the Constitituional Convention apparently thought
it "obscene" that members of Congress vote on their own salaries, but
the convention could not come up with a better way to arrange it.
If they could have seen two hundred years into the future, they might
have thought it even more so.
 Question: In view of the fact that Congress is incapable of balancing the
budget, and is piling on so much debt that before long we will need tax
increases just to pay the INTEREST on the debt (already the largest
single item in the federal budget), and that reportedly some 96% of 
Congress was reelected, and that they keep voting larger and larger
pay increases for themselves and performing worse and worse,
  Have we in this country created an entrenched self-perpetuating
aristocracy in exhange for a representative government? We can't blame
the Soviet Union or anything else for this one.

Message: 76827
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/names
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 21:08:36

What Cliff objected to was $tatus users logging in as other people (and even
for a while when a non-status user wouldn't keep the same name).  Handles he
has no quarrel with.

Message: 76828
Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B-Dog/last
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 21:54:12

        You got that right, I have NO problems with handles.  Heck, I
oted to keep handles in the Apollo Vote a few months back. 
Ann seems to have a problem understanding this...  But you guys with
handles, fear not....  I am not out to get you!  

                        clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

Message: 76829
Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on Paul in Zone
Date: 07/19/91  Time: 22:24:16

        Ann, I once thought what was going on between you and Mike Carter
was a JOKE...till you left.   So, where do you get off telling me it's a
joke between Paul and the Green Lighthouse?   The ules YOU people wanted
ENFORCED (so Ann would come back) apply to EVERYONE.  There will be no NAME
calling on the PUBlic board.

        I am not here to second guess personal attacks....  Like I said, I
was caught by supprise with Ann and Mike Carter...and I still till this day
have not recovered my enjoyment of this board.

                        clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

Message: 76830
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod / Prayer
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:20:51

     There is a difference between prayer and praise, Rod.  There is also a
difference between prayer and witnessing.
 
> Nothing grosses me out more than to hear some syrupy, sweet voice praising
> their god out loud.  It makes me want to puke, on them.
 
I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you, Rod.  At least you are not lukewarm
on matters of a religious nature.  The only problem is, I wish you wouldn't
be so ambiguous.  You need to start learning how to SAY what you really
mean.

Daryl ("Darwin was an antichrist") Westfall

Message: 76831
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Your Point
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:22:58

    Seems like your diatribing against my "party line" has become your own
party line.  I guess it all boils down to which party line is the best party
line to espouse a party line with.  (Sorry for being redundant -- I know
I've used that one already, but I just couldn't help it, you know? It was
just...THERE.)
 
Daryl ("The Big Bang hasn't happened...it's yet to come") Westfall

Message: 76832
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul / Metrocenter
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:24:58

    Given the fact that the Metro Parkway is really not an essential
thoroughfare for intercity travel, I would not be surprised if it were not
indeed private property.  Now Central Avenue is another matter altogether.

Message: 76833
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Paul / 76704
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:30:41

    Ah, let him spew.  He's certainly harmless enough.  He speaks much about
that which he knows little, and that's not much of a threat at all.
Actually, it would be amusing if it wasn't so incredibly sad.  An atheist
toeing the atheist party line, screaming and ranting and puking over
Christians who toe the Christian party line.  It's like those groups that
demand equality and tolerance in religious matters, and then go on to list
all the things they are against.  Have you ever noticed when people complain
about you being too dogmatic?  They're always so dogmatic about it, aren't
they?

Message: 76834
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill on Ann
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:32:08

    Ann doesn't understand the answer because she's not asking the right
questions.

Message: 76835
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on Vices
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:37:56

     Whenever you place anything at a higher priority in life than God, then
it is displeasing to Him.

Message: 76836
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann on Paul
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:47:51

    He did not distinguish that men were better.  Why did he bring up Eve's
sinning and causing Adam to sin?  BECAUSE IT HAPPENED, that's why.  Why did
he bring up that woman was made from man?  BECAUSE SHE WAS.  There certainly
must be a reason why God created the human race the way He did.  (And please
do not respond along the lines of 'because the Bible was written by men who
were male-chauvinists.'  If you do, then there is really no point in us
continuing this discussion because you see the Bible as the word of man, and
I see it as that word of God, spoken through man.)
    I believe that women should receive equality in the workplace, just as I
believe that men should receive equality in the workplace.  I believe that
all races should receive equality in the workplace.  (Racism is a by-product
of evolutionary thought, as true Bible students recognize all humanity
having a common ancestor in Noah.  Also, we are all the same color...some
just have more of it [the pigment melanin] than others.)  However, in those
things which the Bible expressly sets forth as the duty of either a man or a
woman, then in those things I must hold fast to the will of God.  Such as
the fact that I am against the ordination of women pastors, and against the
ordination of practicing gays and lesbians.  Don't fault me; I'm only being
consistent.)  As far as work and money goes, my wife makes quite a bit more
than I do, and it does not bother me a bit.  I do wish that I was making
more than I am, however, as it would get us out of the financial sinkhole
that we are presently in.
    I do believe that the man is the head of the household.  I believe that
to be the case because (yes, he's going to say it again) God has set it
forth that way.  The man/father of the house is to be the leader of the
house both in regular matters, and especially in spiritual matters.  A
father is to be a role-model in this respect, a (decidedly limited) human
representation of our Heavenly Father.  It is the destruction of the family
unit that has distorted the father's role, and resulted in all of the
feminist infiltration of the essence of God as Father AND Mother, or Father
OR Mother, take your pick, they would say.
    And I do not believe the the Equal Rights Movement is seeking equality
for women.  I believe they are seeking SUPREMACY.  And I do not believe in
quotas.  I believe that each person should be judged according to their own
merit.  The white male is quickly becoming the discriminated one in matters
of employment.  It should not be a matter of whether you are a Bruce or a
Shiela, or how much pigment you have in your skin, but how bleedin' well you
can do your job.
 
Daryl "I really need to go to bed" Westfall

Message: 76838
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Your Verse
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:03:07

     So you have proclaimed a new theology of public witnessing by
Christians based upon one verse of Scripture?  Remember, it's the same book
that reads, "A fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"  It also says,
 
"Shout [yes, SHOUT!] happily in the LORD, O righteous people!
 ...Sing to Him a new song, play well on the instruments with happy
 shouting...All you people, clap your hands; shout [there's that word
again!] to God with loud rejoicing [yes, LOUDER, I don't think Rod can hear
you]..."

Christ was talking about hypocritical prayer, praying because you know
people will be looking and you want to really impress them with your
piousness.  That is a far cry from sincere and heart-felt rejoicing, and
also from honest speaking of His truth with others.  Remember, if it makes
you feel like you want to puke, you always have an [S] key escape.

Message: 76839
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul / Body Temple
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:07:57

     It's amazing the number of desecrated and vandalized temples you see
walking around every day, isn't it?  Of course it's not merely physical
destruction that is an offense to God but moreso the spiritual decay. 
Better a fat Christian than a muscular atheist.

Message: 76840
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Felix on Women
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:12:53

    I do not think that Paul meant by any means that women could not SPEAK
in church.  My wife and I always discuss points in the sermon as we listen. 
What did Paul mean?  I believe he meant that women are not to speak in a
preaching capacity within the church.

Message: 76841
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Peter / Sticker
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:14:23

One of my favorites is:
 
   GOD'S LAST NAME IS NOT DAMMIT
 
Another is:
 
   MANY WHO PLAN TO SEEK GOD AT THE ELEVENTH HOUR...
 
 
                ...DIE AT 10:30!

Message: 76842
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Bill/Interpretation
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:19:27

    I believe that the reader should allow the Bible to speak for itself,
clear passages shedding light on those passages that are less clear. The
Bible is it's own interpreter.  And I don't feel that there is anything that
needs to be thrown out or dismissed.

    Of course, I plan on getting the patent on the "Bible Highlighter for
Liberal Theologians." It's a black thick-tipped permanent marker for
crossing out those passages which do not pertain to him.

Message: 76843
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod on Prayer
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:24:45

"With one mind these all kept PRAYING TOGETHER.  With them were the women,
including Jesus' mother Mary, and His brothers." (Acts 1:14)
 
In short, give it up, Rod.  Your one-verse dogmatism wouldn't hold water,
even if Paul and I didn't bother taking the time to blow it OUT of the
water.
 
This is the reason why I feel you never have, and never will, grasp exactly
what the Bible is all about.  But I do believe in miracles, and in prayer
so I guess anything is possible.

Message: 76844
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Paul on "Custom"
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:27:26

     I believe that the Biblical restriction against pastoral authority by
women is still as much in effect now as it was then.  Just as our partaking
of the Lord's Supper, even though it originally was not shared among all
believers upon it's institution, but only Christ's disciples.

Message: 76845
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Paul/Turning Cheek
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:29:05

    Christ did it all the way to the cross.
 

Message: 76846
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann on 1Ti 2:8
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:32:52

Read a little further, to verse 15.
 
"But women, having children, will be saved if they live in faith, love, and
holiness, and use good judgment."
 
It does not say that they are saved through childbearing.

Message: 76847
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Bible supplement
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:07:41

Yes, that is correct, the bible was written many, many years ago.  There has
never been an update.  People who believe in it are living way in the past. 
Too bad.
                                Rod

Message: 76848
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Daryl
Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:25:03

I have taken it upon myself to eliminate evil, I have championed a cause. 
I attack Christianity because it is the predominate religion in this land. 
I, in all honesty see it as a vile and filthy thing that is corrupting our
youth.  Look at what it has obviously done to you and some of the others. 

I'm happy with my vocation.  You cannot change it because your words of
religion are shallow and lacking in even basic logic.  However you are a
good poet and if and when you ever wake up, you can help with the cause.

You twist words and meanings to suit yourself like other so-called
Christians on this board but it is so obvious to those who are free in
thought.  You fool few.

I will continue my endeavor as it gives me a sense of purpose and worth.  I
see Christianity as a disease that attacks the weak mind.  -Rod