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Apollo BBS Archive - July 16, 1991

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Message: 7596
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: fried brains
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 05:46:51

 Some people will eat anything! Yuck!

Message: 7597
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 05:50:52

 Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not really after 
you.

Message: 7598
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod on following
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 09:17:32

No ones following you dear - thats the Devil doing all those bad things in
your life. But I thought you knew that. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 7599
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: posts
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 10:46:03

Excellent posts!  (Except the ones from Daryl.)

Message: 7600
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: 3rd party lament
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 11:35:09

Cliff, there may be no *conspiracy* directed against the *Libertarian*
party, but it is true that in many states the Dems and Reps have made it
very difficult for *any* third party to attract votes and money for
campaigns, to be on ballots with party name, etc.  These have been
documented on Apollo.

Message: 7601
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: 3rd party lament
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:06:06

      re: These have been documented on Apollo...  ????

        Sorry, that does not prove it is true.  I have never found such
proof. I just believe the libertarian party does not offer what the majority
of the people want.  The leaders of the libertarian party then point fingers
at the Dems and Reps for their own shortcomings rather then accept reality.

        The communist, socialist and libertarian parties are just not going
to make it in this country.  They all scream of plots against them claiming
the American people really want them...    All Hogwash!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 7602
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Belief
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:13:56

Believe what you will.

Message: 7603
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Beau/Libertarians
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:30:58

You'll be pleased to know that the Final Jeopardy Round in the Seniors
Tournament on Monday required the contestants to know that Ron Paul was the
Libertarian presidential candidate in 1988. All three contestants asked the
right question.

Message: 7604
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 16:42:02

  I might not concur that there is a specific plot against libertarians, but
I think that you would agree with me in stating that the two parties of
government do not care so much for translating the will of the people into
deed as they do for maintaining themselves in office. On offshoot of this is
that they make it difficult for any alternative viewpoint to reach the point
where it can become a serious threat to established politicians. Requiring a
large number of petitions to get a minority party on the ballot effectively
assures that no such party will be able to compete with those already on it.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7605
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Daryl/Evolution
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 16:48:20

  I agree that what I have seen of evolutionary theory seems very shakey. I
haven't seen anything in this which supports creationism as anything but a
superstitious attempt at filling the gaps in man's knowledge with mythology
however.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 7606
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Vote
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 17:34:58

The current [V]ote on Apollo is defective.

It first lists four options, [A], [B], [C], and [D].  Then it goes on to
ask: How do you vote [A-C] or [CR] to abort.

Is this a deliberate reflection of the anti-Libertarian plot that we all
know exists (except Cliff)?  "You have the following choice of parties to
vote for: Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc., etc...  Now, how do you
vote -- Republocrat or Demolition?"

Message: 7607
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Politics
Subject: Libertarian Vote
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 20:57:32

(A) YES, BY GOD, THERE'S A PLOT AGAINST THE LIBERTARIAN PLATFORM
    AND WE'RE GONNA CONSPIRE AGAINST THE CONSPIRATORS!!!

(B) YES, BY PLASMA, THERE'S A PLOT AGAINST THE LIBERTARIAN PLATFORM
    AND WE'RE GONNA CONSPIRE AGAINST THE CONSPIRATORS!!!
 
(C) HEY, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF "LIBERTARIAN"
 
(D) YES, THERE IS AND WE WILL CRUSH THEM.

Message: 7608
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Entertainment
Subject: Refried Brains
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 21:01:01

White Brains on Toast.
 
Hey, there's a poster I have that reminds me of all this;

Top picture: An Egg in a frying pan; caption: This is your brain.
Second pic : An Egg in a frying pan, frying : This is your brain on drugs
Third pic  : An Egg in a frying pan, frying along with a strip of bacon.
"This is your brain with a side-order of bacon."
 
Ha. Yer all fried.

Message: 7609
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:13:22

I stay away from bacon and eggs.  How about fried soy beans with a side
order of kelp?

Message: 7610
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Libertarian
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:17:32

One of the prime stances of this party is to eliminate the I.R.S., is this
not so?

Does anyone believe that the Libertarian party has IRS backing?  There is a
plot, as mentioned by Noam Chomsky, to keep all political parties away from
the people.  The one existing party, Demo-Republican serves big business and
those in power will not allow, through its Press, equal time.

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Message: 4931
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Quickie
Subject: Cliff on Roger
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 09:19:05

Where is dear Roger? Have you let him rot in the Zone? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 4932
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Posts
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 10:47:16

Excellent posts!  Excellent!

Message: 4933
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: This Zone
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:32:07

Hey ! I LIKE this fucking Zone.

Message: 4934
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: This Zone
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 14:42:36

Yeah!  It's so goddamn EXCELLENT!

Message: 4935
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 16:15:31

It's AWESOME, dude....

Message: 4936
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last few
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 21:02:33

Is it alive or is it memorex?

Message: 4937
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: this sig.
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:19:08

This SIG causes my pussy to itch.

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Message: 76701
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B. Dog/76676
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 05:31:18

 Sounds downright slothful to me! 

Message: 76702
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 76678
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 05:33:32

Green Lantern? I wouldn't be surprised if Roger is already with us, under
yet another name. The dripping sarcasm is altogether too symptomatic.

Message: 76703
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro/Metrocenter
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 05:40:44

 I'm not so sure that the streets in and around Metrocenter are "public",
Apro. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find that the entire area is, in
fact, private property. If it is, then I guess they are in their rights to
do whatever they want.

Message: 76704
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Question?
Subject: R. Williams
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 05:45:52

 Concerning the last two posts by our resident hate monger, isn't that just
about what got Mr. Mann stuck in the Zone a couple of days ago? Or should I
say, the Green Dragon, or whatever.

Message: 76705
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/76702
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 07:29:55

Why are YOU so crabby ?

Message: 76706
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Religion
Subject: Daryl/Equal? Where?
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 07:39:52

> Paul believed that men and women, though equal, were not
> created to be identical to each other.
 
How do the verses Ann posted demonstrate Paul's supposed belief in equality?

Message: 76707
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Cruisin' Metro
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 07:41:42

> Does this mean that if I lived next to I-17 and the cruising
> traffic (they do have cruise control you know) was a nuisance,
 > I could drop a log across three lanes so long as I paid for it?
> HAHAHAHAHA  "Nation of laws, not men" my hiney!
 
        Actually, I believe the City Council did pass a law that authorized
control of cruising.
        It seems to me to be similar to the laws that prohibit the users of
main thoroughfares from zipping through residential neighborhoods when the
pace of rush hour traffic doesn't suit them.
        That strikes me as very similar to the MetroCenter justification,
and I have a hard time arguing with it even though I think it's stupid to
try and stop the cruising.
        Funny how what was okay for US when we were kids isn't okay for OUR
kids.

Message: 76708
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: War!
Subject: The vote
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:39:57

Wait a cotton picking minute here - I wanted to vote for 'D' - Annie is too
sweet and nice and lovable - but it wouldn't let me. Unfair! Unfair! I'm
bringing in the Union!!! -=* SOUR GRAPES *=-

Message: 76709
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on Zone
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:41:31

You are right - I do not want people to see my embarrassing groveling posts.
Hmmm - I wonder what Roger is saying? Did he leave Apollo over his trip?
                                 *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76710
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff on booze
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:44:18

Re: your ... "<-clif- No Booze for me!"
 
You mean when you come over to my house again you won't drink? Even if all
of us are?? You don't do drugs, smoke cigarettes and now you are giving up
dah booze? What's next - Sandy? Heh Heh Heh . *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76711
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green Lantern
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:45:45

How old are you? I'll bet not yet 18 er? Younger? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76712
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green again
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:46:57

Re: your ... "You people (Apollo) sure are crabby" ... gave me a real belly
laugh! Heck Green, we ain't even in a bad mood right now! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76713
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Daryl
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:50:03

Uhhhh . what "personal vices" am I retaining and not following Jesus?
I can't see where I do one thing that would displease Him regarding vices.
                                 *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76714
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl on Paul
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 08:59:20

I disagree with you all the way re: Paul. Those Bible verses I sent here
left no doubt that he distinguished that men were better - especially that
Eve sinned first and led poor Adam astray! Of course men and women are
different and have different roles - but only on a VERY basic level and that
mainly is child birth. 

BTW - while we are on the subject - what do you feel about the woman's
movement? Do you feel the women should, if they wish, go to work, get as
much pay, demand equality in all things? 

Pardon me, but I assume you also believe in the head of the house hold - it
seems to automatically come with the territory - but what if your wife works
also - lets say she even brings home the same amount of money - would you
then still be the head of the household? Just curious. *>>> ANN O. <<<*
 
I guess what I am trying to say about Paul .... he absolutely gives one set
of rules for men and another set for women and I just don't think God had
that in mind. Do you?
Read those verses I sent closely. You might change your mind about them.

Message: 76715
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod on Daryl
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 09:00:52

He can't be St. Daryl - he's not Catholic. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76716
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill #76706
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 09:02:48

Thank you Bill for putting it so very simply. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76717
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill on cruising
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 09:12:52

I have always been for it - cruising. What would we reather our kids be
doing - robbing a store? One time when it was OK at Metrocenter, we cruised
with them briefly. There was hundreds, maybe thousands of kids in that area
- in cars, in vacant lots, in parking lots etc. and I was amazed at how much
fun they were having with very little trouble considering the size of the
crowd. I thought Metro was a real stinker when they stopped it - made a
police action out of it! 
One night hubby and I came out of Metro quite late and couldn't find a way
out because of all the barracades. We finally found one with two Metro
center police with guns in their belts stopped us (we were in the Vette) and
started acturally yelling at us - ask what we were doing there and before we
could answer, told us to get out of the car. My husband, not one to keep his
temper in such incidents, got red in the face, in a  lethal voice told that
pseudo policeman where to go and also mention that we'd sue the hell out of
them/ Metro if they didn't stop harrassing us. The guy backed off but he
still acted like he had lots of authority. In reality, he had very little.
This happened when they first stopped the cruising in Metro. I don't think
the had their s#*t together yet. Ha. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76718
Author: Jim Potts
Category: Hard/Software
Subject: Want to Buy..
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 09:45:27

I am looking for a used CGA monitor if anyone out there has one for sale
Please leave me mail on this BBS or call me at (602) 861-1807 or (602)
944-3389. My name is Jim Potts . 

Message: 76719
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green Lantern
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 10:41:45

Welcome to Apollo, I guess.

Message: 76721
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Green
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:25:16

Well, let's put it this way. I am not a great-grandmother.

Message: 76722
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Thanks
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:27:20

I like you, Annie.

Message: 76723
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michael/Welcome
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 12:28:38

All right. Thanks. I guess.

Message: 76724
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Prohiboholics Anon.
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 18:03:13

  Responsibility for the Philippines in 1898 added an
international dimension to the growing domestic alarm about
drug abuse.  It also revealed that Congress, if given the
opportunity, would prohibit non-medicinal uses of opium 
among its new dependents.  Civil Governor William Howard 
Taft proposed reinstituting an opium monopoly--through which
the previous Spanish colonial government had obtained 
revenue from sales to opium merchants--and using those 
profits to help pay for a massive public education campaign.
President Theodore Roosevelt vetoed this plan, and in 1905
Congress mandated an absolute prohibition of opium for any
purpose other than medicinal use.
  To deal efficiently with the antidrug policy established
for the Philippines, a committee from the Islands visited 
various territories in the area to see how others dealt with
the opium problem.  The benefit of controlling narcotics
internationally became apparent.
  In early 1906 China had instituted a campaign against 
opium, especially smoking opium, in an attempt to modernize
and to make the Empire better able to cope with continued
Western encroachments on its sovereignty.  At about the same
time, Chinese anger at maltreatment of their nationals in 
the U.S. seethed into a voluntary boycott of American goods.
Partly to appease the Chinese by aiding their antiopium
efforts and partly to deal with uncontrollable smuggling 
within the Philippine Archipelago, the U.S. convened a 
meeting of regional powers.  In this way, the U.S. launched
a worldwide campaign for worldwide narcotics traffic control
that would extend through the years in an unbroken 
diplomatic sequence from the League of Nations to the 
present efforts of the United Nations.
  the International Opium Commission, a gathering of 13
nations, met in Shanghai in February 1909.  The Protestant
Episcopal bishop of the Philippines, Charles Henry Brent, 
who had been instrumental in organizing the meeting, was
chosen to preside.  Resolutions noting problems with opium
and opiates were adopted, but they did not constitute a
treaty, and no decisions bound the nations attending the
commission.  In diplomatic parlance, what was needed now was
a conference not a commission.  The U.S. began to pursue 
this goal with determination.
  The antinarcotics campaign in America had several
motivations.  Appeasement of China was certainly one factor
for officials at the State Department.  The department's 
opium commissioner, Hamilton Wright, thought the whole 
matter could be "used as oil to smooth the troubled water of
our aggressive commercial policy there."  Another reason was
the belief, strongly held by the federal government today,
that controlling crops and traffic in producing countries
could most efficiently stop U.S. nonmedical consumption of
drugs.
  To restrict opium and coca production required worldwide
agreement and, thus, an international conference.  After
intense diplomatic activity, one was convened in the Hague 
in December 1911.  Brent again presided, and on January 23,
1912, the 12 nations represented signed a convention.
Provision was made for the other countries to comply before
the treaty was brought into force.  After all, no producing
or manufacturing nation wanted to leave the market open to
nonratifying nations.
  The convention required each country to enact domestic
legislation controlling narcotics trade.  The goal was a 
world in which narcotics were restricted to medicinal use.
Both the producing and consuming nations would have control
over their boundaries.
  After his return from Shanghai, Wright labored to craft a
comprehensive federal antinarcotics law.  In his path loomed
the problem of states' rights.  The health professions were
considered a major cause of patient addiction.  Yet how 
could federal law interfere with the prescribing practices 
of physicians or require that pharmacists keep records?
Wright settled on the federal government's power to tax; the
result, after prolonged bargaining with pharmaceutical,
import, export and medical interests, was the Harrison Act
of December 1914.
  Representative Francis Burton Harrison's association with
the act was an accidental one, the consequence of his
introduction of the administration's bill.  If the chief
proponent and negotiator were to be given eponymic credit,
it should have been called the Wright Act.  It could even
have been called the second Mann Act, after Representative
James Mann, who saw the bill through to passage in the 
House of Representatives, for by that time Harrison had
become governor-general of the Philippines.
  The act required a strict accounting of opium and coca and
their derivatives from entry into the U.S. to dispensing to
a patient.  To accomplish this control, a small tax had to 
be paid at each transfer, and permits had to be obtained by
applying to the Treasury Department.  Only the patient paid
no tax, needed no permit and, in fact, was not allowed to
obtain one.
  Initially Wright and the Department of Justice argued that
the Harrison Act forbade indefinite maintenance of addiction
unless there was a specific medical reason such as cancer or
tuberculosis.  This interpretation was rejected in 1916 by
the Supreme Court--even though the Justice Department argued
that the Harrison Act was the domestic implementation of the
Hague Opium Convention and therefore took precedence over
states' rights.  Maintenance was to be allowed.
(continued)

Message: 76729
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl & the bird
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 19:35:14

        Thanks...  It was a great you coming by today and giving me the
bird.  So far, so good.  'No-Name' is doing fine ........

        It will take about 3 days for it to adjust, till then we will just
leave it alone as much as possible.  

        Thanks for the bag of food....   Yum-yum

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 76730
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B.Dog
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 21:06:45

Don't get your dander up if I choose not to reply to anything you post.
Firstly, I answer to no one here.
Secondly I choose what I'm going to spend time replying too.
And Thridly, your post was more opinion, unbased and unfounded as
most you've ever written. I don't see how you expect me to 
react to such a post, unless you want me to disaggree.
Frankly I don't care what you believe. It's obvious you don't care
what I or anyone else does that conflicts with your own, so the
whole thing is moot.
Like you said elsewhere, "Believe what you wanna believe."
 
Just don't whine too much on the final day, it'll be in front of
everybody...and I do mean *everybody*.
 
;-)

Message: 76731
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: In search of
Subject: Free Press
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 21:19:36

After quite a number of phone calls and a couple letters, I'm convinced
that we truly now donot have a free press.
The newspapers seem to avoid having anything to do with freelancers.
"On the rare, exceptional case, we will buy freelance material.." a direct
quote from R&G's buisiness editor. This was in reference to a call I had
placed asking how interested they'd be on a close up of the Airport.
"We already have an Aviation reporter.."
Q:"How about stuff around the valley, human interest stories etc?"
A:"Very rarely do we accept that, we just don't have space.."
 
This isn't the only place. In the past I have called and or written
letters asking about submission details. I, so far, have received the
same general sounding answers. That (1) Unless you're writing a letter
"To the Editor" or (2) Your material is so un-political, un-controversial
and tastless i.e.; Knitting secrets from Grandma and 41 things to do
on the way to Disneyland, they don't want anything to do with you.
Long gone are the days when I could write a piece and be fairly certain
it would get printed. Anymore, I think I know why.
People or companies that get bad press don't write back and refute
or explain or deny, they sue. It has become so ridiculous now that
a large portion of the R&G's salary outgo is for Lawyers on their payroll.
Everyone and everything has become so sensitive to commentary or
any form of criticism, that nobody wants to publish such, for fear of
more lawsuits.

The same thing is happening with employers and health insurance.
There's a bunch of employers who wont hire you if you smoke, have
a high cholesterol count, a history of cancer in the family or any
physical disorder that might cost their insurance big bucks.
You think I'm joking? People have been fired !
No, there's no freedoms anymore. No real "Freedom of the Press."
The R&G wont run smear ads against their candidates, only on the
opposition. Selective advertising policy has long been in effect at
most all newspapers across the country. 
So if John Q Public has something to say, it had better be 100 words or
less...then *if* it gets printed, after the editor hacks and slashes it
it *might* contain the original meaning..and then, back page time.
 
I think, although I don't aggree with the man, but I think I know
now why Evan Mecham wants to run his own newspaper.
If you have something you wish to say, or just plain want to write
and be interactive, go live elsewhere...like perhaps another galaxy.
Once upon a time there was a local newspaper that had a small section
called "City Tabloid", where anyone who had a pen and paper could
get printed so long as it fell under the generally acceptable rules
of civility, and no one was singled out by name. 
It was very popular back then. I think some enterprising lawyer 
got his first set of wheels suing them over something, and bought a house
to work out of. BBS's are the last of a dying freedom.

Message: 76733
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/bird
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:24:00

I have a bird for you.

Message: 76734
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/free press
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:26:15

You're just paranoid.  (but I agree)

Message: 76735
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green Lantern
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:26:56

If you are a beautiful female then come on over.  If not then stay the hell
away.

Message: 76736
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/my 2 posts
Date: 07/16/91  Time: 22:30:36

Whatsthematter, I post bible verses and you complain.  When I don't quote
bible verses, you complain.  Aren't you ever happy?

Or are you the one who stands out in public and talks to a god?

Or perhaps you are not aware of that New Testament Bible verse and think I
just made it up.

Or does my revelation mean that you can't watch Jan and Paul Crotch any
longer?

                                Rod