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        07/05/90                Tax support of baseball?

Just how bad do you want a National Baseball League for Maricopa County?
 
[A] I am for a quarter-cent sales tax to finance a stadium.
[B] I am against sales tax to finance a stadium.
[C] I don't care.

How do you vote [A-C] or [CR] to abort:B

Poll results to date:
[A] 2    [B] 12   [C] 2

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Mail from Jeff Beck
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 00:02:18

Well, I will need someone to stuff the sausages.  Actually, I've changed my
mind; I'm going to open a coffee shop in Dusseldorf.  I'm going to set up
chess sets on the tables that line the front windows (though during the
better days and seasons I'll move them out front).
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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 1:I'd like to open a Marihuana stand in Amsterdam.  Care to join me?

Mail from Jeff Beck
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 00:04:47

How did you come out ahead in capitalistic dollars?  I'm not altogether sure
what you mean.
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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 1:I made a lot of money in my endavor.....much more than the amount I 
 2:mentioned.  Besides it was a thrill while it lasted.  I was keeping the line
 3:of supply open while bringing prices down in a large area.  I served my 
 4:clients well.  I ran the business as I do my locksmithing, prompt and 
 5:efficient and good prices.  I was liked.
 6:
 7:But I knew it had to end and in a way I wanted it too but I had to try it 
 8:for the experience.  There were many who were in line to take over for me 
 9:and many did and will continue to do so as long as there is a demand.

Mail from Bill Burkett
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 08:47:17

I just hate to see anyone with something to say, and the wit to
say it with, get bogged down in personal conflicts that blind
those on the periphery to the points being discussed.  (What an
ugly sentence that was!  Adkins, er Beck could have written that
one.)
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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 1:I'll take your much appreciated advice.  Good point.  In every life there 
 2:are the high points as well as the low ones.  Life is like a current flow 
 3:complete with peaks and valleys.  I'll try to be more aware in the future.
 4:
 5:                                Thanks,
 6:                                  Rod

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Message: 67187
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question?
Subject: Roger/algebra
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 00:07:07

huh?  What does that have to do with the original relation?  You're going to
have to spell this out.

Message: 67188
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff/Algebra
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 06:32:34

I don't understand. The answer I showed you is the next step of the 
solution. Perhaps I didn't understand the question.

Message: 67189
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa on gays
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 06:50:13

I don't think gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals. But anyone that
is - is at risk to get the disease. The cartoon was aimed at gays is all. If
they want to stop it from spreading even more, they must take some
responsibility.  -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67190
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Baby / 25th
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 07:44:36

Why is that, Rod? (Or should I ask? *grin*)
 
Daryl

Message: 67191
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/Algebra
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 08:11:27

To do such a simplification, the first step is getting the denominators the
same -- otherwise you can't do addition or subtraction of the terms.
Multiply the first term by 1 (the only legal thing to do...) but make it
take this form: (x^2 + 1)/(x^2 + 1)  or ... (x^2 + 1)(x^2 + 1)^-1;  this
makes the denominators of the two terms equal.  The subtraction can then be
done on the numerators, and everything will fall out.

Message: 67192
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Star Trek, TNG
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 09:27:40

Picard (or is that, THE Picard) won't be back this fall.  My theory is that
because he's such a good actor (PBS type) he won't limit himself to one
character for very long.  Hence, the need to zap him out of the show.

Message: 67193
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:11:19

Re:  "AIDS happened to get to the US through the gay community but it is NOT
a gay disease.  AIDS is transmitted through blood and semen and you can get
it through any type of intercourse, even in the missionary position."

What difference does it make?  OK, let's call it something else.  Let's call
it VD instead.  The fact remains that anytime the word "AIDS" comes up, the
first thing everyone thinks of is "homo".  The fact remains that more
homosexuals have the disease in the USA then any other group.  Everyone
knows how to prevent AIDS.  So why are people still getting it?  Why do the
homosexuals have such a push on to find a cure when they already know how to
prevent it?  It's difficult for me to feel sorry for them.  There are
innocent people who get AIDS through no fault of their own.  I do feel very
sorry for them.

Message: 67194
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:12:06

Rod, you sound like a man who is kind to animals!  How come you are mean to
us Christians?

Re:  "Hair came about as a survival mechanism and has served animals well
during our short history."

Well, that's just it.  We don't have any history or evidence that humans
were once covered by hair.  It is a fine sounding idea, but it holds about
as much water as the idea that all were once bald.  You see, all animals
(and humans) had no hair at all except for a little tuft on the end of their
noses.  Now we all know how the theory of evolution works.  After several
billions years, the animals' hair spread all over their bodies.  We humans,
on the other hand, had very little luck with spreading hair and only managed
to get it on the top of our head and a few other places.  I'm not sure why
it quit growing on the ends of our noses.  Hmmmmm?  I agree with you about
shaving too.  I grew a beard when I got out of the service, but my wife said
she wouldn't kiss me anymore if I didn't cut it off.  I am weak, so I cut it
off.  I've also tried to convince several lady friends of the futility of
shaving certain areas of their bodies but to no avail.

Message: 67195
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:13:15

Re:  "Quick, quick! Rod's coming! Hide the cat!"

Now I want you to know that I am very partial to cats.  We have a black cat
named Spunky.  He acts just like a cat.  I can sit in my chair (I have a
special chair that no one is allow to sit in except me), and call him, and
Spunky will stop whatever he's doing and come jump in my lap.  Well, that's
not quite true.  I usually have to chase him down and hold him in my lap by
force.  He is very clever though.  He will pretend he is relaxed and
enjoying my lap, but if I lower my guard, he will take off like a bat out of
you know where.  I've noticed it is getting harder and harder to catch him. 
We also have a dog named yogi.  He is a puddle and I hate him.  He knows it
too.  If I walk too close to him he will run away.  I don't know why.  Maybe
it is because I kick him whenever he's within reach.  I would like to get
rid of him, but he is the wife's dog.  I remember once trying to kick the
dog, he is getting so fast, I missed the stupid dog and kicked my oldest boy
instead.  It made him cry.  I felt bad about that.

Message: 67196
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:14:13

Re:  "But what is a Thornburg?  Does it have fur?"

Only a little tuft on the end of my nose.

Message: 67197
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:14:34

Re:  "the Apollo B-Day GT on the 28th of July!"

I've got it on my calendar Cliff!

Message: 67198
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:15:04

Re:  "I am not prejudiced againt gays in the least - to each his own, but I
cannot believe that they preform the normal sex act and this is why AIDS is
with us. Are they trying to get us to believe it's normal? Any comments?"

Everyone knows what causes AIDS.  So, what's the problem?  The homos are
playing Russian Roulette, and yet they cry when they get shot.  If I burned
my butt every time I sat on a hot stove, it wouldn't take me long to stop
sitting on hot stoves.  Only an idiot would sit on a hot stove and cry cause
he gets burned.  If you dance to the tune, you have to pay the fiddler.

Message: 67199
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Question?
Subject: Esperanto
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:19:18

I know what Esperanto is, but now I've heard something about Lojban.  Does
anyone know anything about Lojban?

Message: 67200
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Star Trek: TNG
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 21:29:50

Hmmm, interesting thought.  This is a neat way to write Picard out of the
weekly episodes, yet, perhaps keep him around as "Locutor of Borg" in
regular guest appearances.  Either that, or Picard's mind proved to
resistant to the Borg, and they quickly constructed/replicated another
Picard, to fool the Enterprise.

Either way (any way, actually), it is a great cliff hanger.  I hope they
don't blow it in the next season, though.

Michael "Fire all Photon Torpedoes" Kielsky

Message: 67201
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann, Gary/ Aids
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 21:40:43

        It is true that aids is spread thru heterosexual contact, I hear,
but the heterosexuals probably contracted it from an "AC-DC" type who got it
from a homosexual, right? I'm no expert on this, but I think Ann is right. 
        Also, why do aids infected people have such rights to privacy, when
a person with the clap or some other VD has to list all his contacts for the
past couyple of months, and they'll be contacted by a disease control
doctor? 
        Does this make sense, or do I not understand it?  --John C.--

Message: 67202
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lojban
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 23:01:24

Lojban is a recent project, patterned after Loglan.  Loglan was a logical
language, meant as an experiment to see if it could set thought patterns
into a logical form, or something like that. Anyway, the inventor decided it
should be the international language, and there is a center (I think in
Florida) which will sell you information on the language.

Lojban was created over the last several years, I think mainly by a group in
the DC area.  I heard that the Loglan people were suing them for copyright
violation.  Lojban is supposed to be much more easily generated (the author
of Loglan admitted that it could take him hours to come up with a sentence),
and an article that I saw one supposedly had a few people sitting around
speaking the language over pizza and beer.

A friend of mine in DC has a friend who is involved in Lojban.  When I was
there in June, I was promised more information.  I guess that I should
e-mail my friend to prod him.

Message: 67203
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Schools
Date: 07/05/90  Time: 23:43:31

Well today I visited GCU, and I was impressed. I applied there, and
hopefully they will accept me.
I thank everybody for helping me change my mind, You were all right, and I
was WRONG.
Who knows, I might even become a practicing cristian again, because religion
is a big aspect with GCU.
Like I said, I thank you all for all that input about DV, and not letting me
make a big mistake, and wast 3 years of my life on a worthless education.
THE MAD MAX

Message: 67204
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Religion
Subject: Last
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 00:50:57

A round of applause for you!
Great going and good stuff. Now you have made a very positive
first step, the right one and you can make many more from it!
 
The doors open to those who seek. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and
ye shal receive it. Leave no stone unturned and nothing will
evade you.
 
Learn and make friends.

Message: 67205
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod on Air Quality
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 01:06:52

Air quality is a farce. I don't have those figures handy with me
from that post awhile back, but I believe the average takeoff consumes
900 lbs - 1600 lbs of fuel depending on weight / engines (size, number
and thrust), air temp, wind and a whole bunch of niggeldy piggedly stuff
that we wont go into. The average flight consumes a little over 27,000
lbs (I'l have to re-check all this as it's been quite some time..)
of aviation fuel...which fortunately is high Octane. The AVGAS mixture
contains all kinds of benzene, lead and Kerosene which gives you the
black smoke and soot on the engines. 
On take off, that rolling 15 ton cigar canister is spewing out
190,000,000 cubic feet of exhaust per minute. And we have this
doddling cart wagon of bitching bag ladies who are unctuously pointing
their fingers at single person cars on the freeways.
 
20 takeoffs later, you can $--T-can those 390,000 vehicles on the
freeway per hour.
 
Now girls and boys, don't forget our 15 ton sardine can is still
blowing consumed avgas into our atmosphere..only this time its at
29,000 feet ... where that nice 12 tons of consumed solid matter will
deposit itself where it can do the worst dammage..into our rain clouds
and on up into the jetstream where it'll bombard your crop of pistachios
next year. So next time it snows, dont stick your tongue out to catch the
flakes unless you like the taste of kerosene.

Message: 67206
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff-L/Mad-Max
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 01:24:44

        Congrats to you sir!  I think you have made an excellent choice and
will be on your way to great success.  Live long, and prosper Mad-Max!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-     (-:

Message: 67207
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:22:01

Ah well, I'll figure it out from first principles -- sometime when I'm in
the mood.

Message: 67208
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau Dog
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:23:53

I'll give it a try.

Message: 67209
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Picard
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:25:11

Yes, he's such a classic Shakespearean actor that he's doing voice-overs for
Pontiac commercials.  It's the fine scripts that draw him back, you know.

Message: 67210
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Grand Canyon College
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:29:00

Hmmm...now, is it just Mike, or does everyone else consider GCC a step above
Devry?
And I'd like an agnostic or atheist point of view.

Message: 67211
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau Dog
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:51:16


Just so.  Thanks very much; it's quite clear now.

Message: 67212
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/algebra
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 07:44:17

My pleasure.

Message: 67213
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GCU
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 07:46:28

Grand Canyon University -- I'm sure that they give one a more diverse
background than Devry.  I don't know if their CS program is any better.  I
wouldn't be surprised if their cost wasn't equal to or greater than Devry --
I understand that they are pretty expensive.
 
I also hear that an awful lot of the kids there are pretty screwed up.  They
get sent to a Christian school to 'set them straight', don't you know.

Message: 67214
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John on AIDS
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 08:52:22

Re: "Why do AIDS infected people have such rights to privacy, when a person
with the clap of some other VD has to list all his contacts?"
 
Boy, you've got me! I'll never understand that one. AIDS is a disease that
can be spread to anyone. They don't even let lepers roam around even when in
a remission stage! 
 
Another thing that has puzzled me - if AIDS isn't that easily contacted, why
do doctors & nurses wear gloves and masks while treating the patients? Even
most dentist wear gloves now days. 
 
Too many un-answered questions. It is a major disease, yet we're all
expected to act like it isn't there or something least we offend the gays!
As I said "I don't get it!!??" -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67215
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GCU
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 10:33:56

Well BD, I don't know about screwed up kids, but they arn't going to keep me
from learning, which will be my choice, not theirs.
Yes as far as price goes, they charge $152 per semester hour, but they are a
private school with 1800 students max., class size of appx. no more then 40.
With dorm room, it will cost the VA $8996 per year for 4 years to put me
through school, not counting books and supplies which they also pay for.
I got a complet tour of their campus, especially their CS department, and
ALL the equipment I saw was brand new, half of it still in boxes, they just
purchased 40 new computers.They also have a VAX 11/750 mainframe on campus.
They teach All aspects of current CS, such as computer information systems,
LAN's etc.. Every school has good and bad point, some more then others,but
I'm shure I will be getting a well rounded education.
I am not a practicing cristian at this moment, but I do like the aspect of
taking some bible courses, and maybe getting a little more purpose in my
life. What can it hurt? Knowledge is power, my father always told me, any
kind of knowledge.
    THE MAD MAX

Message: 67216
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: GCU
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:28:39

I know a lady would works there in the counseling department.  That's about
all I know about it.

Message: 67217
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John C. / Aids
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:48:50

    If I am not mistaken, the high percentage of heterosexuals infected with
the AIDS virus are intravenous drug abusers. Someone who is shoots up
probably doesn't care whether the person he/she is sharing the needle with
is straight or not.
 
Daryl

Message: 67218
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beaudog / Lojban
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:50:46

    Let me know when you get the information. I would be interested in
looking it over.
 
Daryl

Message: 67219
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa / Last
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:54:28

    What does she have to say about the supposed high percentage of screwed
up kids?
 
Daryl

Message: 67220
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on AIDS
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 14:10:11

My wife is a nurse, and she comes in contact with bodily fluids daily. It is
not secret that the AIDS virus can be transmitted through bodily fluids
entering the body of another person through a break in the skin. It cannot
be transmitted by casual contact. I think you will agree that nurses,
doctors, and dentists have more than casual contact with you.

Message: 67221
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Computer Science
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 17:49:17

Let us distinguish between CS (computer science) and CIS (computer
information systems).  The former is a much broader area of study, which
would prepare one to become either a systems programmer, an applications
programmer, or a computer hardware engineer/designer, depending on what
courses you choose within that curriculum.  CIS as I understand it basically
prepares you to write applications software, primarily business oriented
stuff, and is usually heavy on COBOL and that sort of thing.  Make sure that
you understand the difference: if you want to write accounting packages and
the like, then CIS is your bag; if you want to write systems software or do
computer engineering, you had better opt for CS.  CS also requires a far
more extensive set of core math courses.

Message: 67222
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on AIDS
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 20:51:14

        Ann, you are right, and I appreciate your making the point. Frankly,
I've been reticent to speak on this issue--there is so much smoke and steam
and confusion from the "Gay rights" side that I kept thinking maybe I just
don't understand the problem. 
        You and Mike express what I feel.
        Why can't we quarentine people with contagious diseases for which
there is no cure? And why not close down those establishments which seem to
be focal points for the spread of the disease?
        Of course, I have no personal experience, but I've heard from the
guys in the barracks that the MPs close a bar with a high incidence of
spreading clap. How about bath houses?
        I'm not trying to be negative, I'm curious.   --John C.--

Message: 67223
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mad Max/ GCU
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 20:55:55

        Have at it, man, and more power to you!! The education you'll get is
worth any amount of proselytizing they throw at you. And hey, Christianity
is not really that bad, in spite of Rod and Jeff B. You might wind up
learning all you want about computer science and also picking up a bit of
love for fellow man and self esteem for Mad Max. Congratulations, and best
wishes to you for a great career.       --John C.--

Message: 67224
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl W./ AIDS
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 21:01:32

        So are we looking at an epidemic which spreads among queers and
junkies (sorry, I meant gays and substance abusers) and we have to listen to
"gay rights" group say that this is national, heterosexual, common problem
for everyone? What about straight Mormons? What about married Christians who
are faithful to their marriage?  Why do I feel that I'm being conned by a
golden-voiced, honey-tongued, suede shoe homo con artist.  (Sorry, Melissa,
of course not you.)

Message: 67225
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John Cummings
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 21:19:52

Re: Why do I feel that I'm being conned by a golden-voiced, honey-tongued,
suede shoe homo con artist.

        Funny, I have the same feeling...but you said it better then I
could.  Love your posts!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67226
Author: Hans Glans
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: DeVry
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 23:09:49

A DeVry story:
2 of my cousins went there. 1 is handicapped. They encouraged him, and told
him he would be able to get a job. After three years of hard studying, he is
cleaning offices. 
The other cousin, went there, and got a job, in another state. And you have
to take those jobs offered. If you refuse a job, they put you at the back of
the list to look for another oppurtunity. He got stuck moving to Miami.
And if you lose your job for whatever reason(not qualified), you are at the
back of the line again, on their placement service.
I considered going there, and AFTER my pell grants, It was still going to be
over 10k a year, and that was 4 years ago. I think, after the payments made
during school, I was going to be 24k in debt. A really bad start on life.

Message: 67227
Author: Hans Glans
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Tree
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 23:13:28

How long has it been there? I wish the mulberry next door was in my yard. It
is huge, and feeds on leakage from their pool.

s

Message: 67228
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Faggots.
Date: 07/06/90  Time: 23:46:04

Can you imagine how long a faggot of wood is?
Now why in heaven's name would someone use such an obviously eloquent
term used to describe wood for a gratuitously arrogant breed of
rump-humpers ?
How many faggots in a cord?  How many faggots to a ton?
You don't hear people using that term lightly these days. In perspective
its rather humrous. In Australia, they have a nick-name for rump humpers
as they do in England; "POOFTER"...pr: POOF- TAH. Anyone using the
term "POOF" was looked at strangely. The same with the word :
"ROOT". Which is Australian slang for the act of copulation. Can
you imagine what happened when I saw the "ROTO-ROOTER" van drive by and
then later see the commercial?
Can you say basket-case?
Do you know how many times my eyes bulged when someone said they'd be
"Rooting for me" on the side?
Conversely, a casual term in Australia used to ask someone to awaken
you if they're up first is : "Knock me up in the morning would ya?"
I had some wary room-mates there for awhile.
So. The point of all this is simple. The recipient in a debate or
conversation, who receives a word he/she considers offensive, can only
be the one to be blamed if the word is not given with the explicit
intention of offending. The terms FAGGOT, POOFTA, QUEER and others
can be used harmlessly...but if it were left up to those who draw
offense from any use of the word(s), they wouldn't be in Websters.

Message: 67229
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GCU/CIS/CS
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 00:49:07

GCU does not offer a specific CIS degree, just CS, atleast thats what they
told me when I got my tour of the campus. Your right, I thought about that
and came to the conclusion that a specialized degree would limit my
employment opotunities after getting out of school. That and many other
facts listed here by the good folks on Apollo made me change my mind about
getting a well rounded education, even the religious aspect of GCU.
Even though I am not a practicing cristian, I do believe that bekieving
something other that yourself, such as god or christ or for that fact 
allha or budda, any kind of religion or religious believe can only make you
a more balanced individual, emotionaly, physically, and mentally.
Most people don't realize how importand spirutal well being is. That is why
atheists in a lot of cases have emotional problems, they have nothing to
believe in. Eventually such a persons selfesteem equals 0, and a lot of them
don't even realize this. Like I said I am not a practicing christian yet or
may never be, but since I have started to believe in god, a recent
development, my selfesteem rose 100%. My believe is only small and recent,
but it has helped me so much, especially since my hard divorce and severe
depression, that I have no other alternative but to think it is the reason
for me feeling better about myself.
  THE MAD MAX

Message: 67230
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cummings/GCU
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 01:39:20

OR, he might end up with the misanthropic notion that his fellow man is
doomed by the curse of Original Sin and with his self-esteem crippled by his
daily reliance on a super-being.
Just remember, Lochansky; men are vermin in the eyes of the Lord and only by
debasing yourself before Him can you escape the punishment of eternal
damnation.  Also, in dealing with non-Christians, keep in mind that they're
all pawns of Satan, whether they realize it or not, and that all the Jews
you've ever met are going to hell, because, after all, they have rejected
Christ.

Message: 67231
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lochansky/God
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 01:50:06

A lot of *atheists* have emotional problems?  Is that why you can't find any
atheists standing on street corners throwing pamphlets and screaming at
passersby regarding their imminent descent into hell?  Is that why you can't
find atheists looking up at the ceiling and talking to imaginary beings?  Is
that why you find atheists looking for practical solutions to the problems
of the world instead of sitting on their butts praying and hoping
(fantasizing) about a better life in the next world?  
As for self-esteem...all I can say is, any self-esteem based on anything
other than your own merits is sheer self-delusion.  Spiritualism is for
primitives and weak minded moderns who can't come to grips with the reality
of their own lives and who therefore turn to the safety and comfort of
all-powerful parent substitutes.

Message: 67232
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carter/words
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 02:18:49

Well, I think what homosexuals find objectionable is the derision inherent
in those words.  Just as blacks object to the term "nigger", hispanics
object to the term "spic", women object to the term "bitch", and scholarly
people object to the term "egghead", homosexuals object to terms like
"faggot", "queer", and the like.  I can understand their objection, and in
this case, feel that it is a greater sin to be needlessly cruel about
someone's vices than it is to practice those vices.  More or less, anyway. 
I mean, I don't refer to the mentally retarded as "doofuses", nor to people
with weak vision as "four-eyes", so why should I behave any differently
toward other figures of pathos, such as homosexuals?  It must be dreadful to
be so mentally ill as to consider the rectum a source for sexual
gratification; I mean, I don't like getting feces on my hands, much less on
far more intimate parts of my anatomy.

Message: 67233
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: New Vote?
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 10:50:35

        To many of you $tatus Users are not [V]oting on the newest poll.
There must be others out there that care what goes on in this Valley?
I will post the question here, and just maybe you will go to the [M]ain menu
and [V]ote your choice.   PLEASE!!!

   07/05/90                Tax support of baseball?

Just how bad do you want a National Baseball League for Maricopa County?

[A] I am for a quarter-cent sales tax to finance a stadium.
[B] I am against sales tax to finance a stadium.
[C] I don't care.

Poll results to date:
[A] 2    [B] 11   [C] 2


*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67234
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John on quarentne
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:19:19

I remember years ago when there was a polio epidemic - they closed all the
public pools for at least a year until it died down. Also, the schools
quit having groups of kids gathering such as in an auditorium - in other
words, close quarters. If there was chicken pox, measles, whooping caugh or
the like in a household, a quarentine sigh was put on the door by the health
dept. We didn't feel the least bit intimidated or our rights violated. We
had a feeling of responsibility towards our fellow man NOT to contaminate
him! I see nothing wrong in that and it should be happening today. Maybe
AIDS is not a high contaminating disease, but it is spread non the less and
it is deadly - no turning back! I would want to know who has it myself and
can make a judgement if I want to associate with that person or not. I'd
certainly be careful if nothing else. 
I, in all honesty cannot say whether I'd want my kids going to school with
another one that had it! Today, I don't think it would bother me, but then,
I do not have kids in school! I think we are all a certain amount ignorant
of the disease - but that includes the doctor's too! I do know one fact - we
all fear it greatly! There is no doubt a lot of rumors that are not true
about it. Facts: it is rising rapidly - it is deadly - it is basically
throughout the gay community but spreading to the hetrosexuals very fast and
I think it could wipe out the human race if it isn't curtailed! Until is is
cured, we need to take responsibily upon ourselves to do what we can to stop
it! If that means closing bath house, gay bars & meeting places, condom
usage, screening every ounce of blood that is donated, then so be it!
                       -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67235
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John on gays
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:30:09

I was never bigoted against gays even when they were called 'queers, fags
and lip wrists'! Never understood it! Was glad to see them come out of the
closet so to speak. After all - to each his own and a person should not be
judged by their sexual preferences. Who cares? BUT  - here this AIDS thing
has raised it's ugly head and I'm almost afraid to say anything for fear I
say something against gays and get reprimanded for being bigoted and not
know what I'm talking about! I don't care what group of people are
responsible - it's happening in the gay comnunity for the most part - they
know it, you know it and I know it! They act as if everyone is pointing a
finger at them for no reason. Why not point the finger if it's in the right
direction? Case in point - that cartoon about bath houses! I found it to be
truth and to the point. They must take their own responsibility - we can't
take it for them! I tell you - I don't understand any of this!
                       -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67236
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John #67224
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:31:16

Bravo John. A good post. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67237
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 'Read my Lips ....
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:38:18

... no new taxes"????! HA! B.S.! In this mornings paper was an extensive
article about the new taxes - sounded SOOOO good at first - tax the rich for
a change - tax the poor less, etc. etc. But reading it farther, they are
putting higher taxes on housing, corporations and cigarettes! Just a fallacy
to get more for the coffers under a guise to tax the rich. Bah Humbug! 'He
speaketh with a forked tongue!' Bush? Bush who? Howdy Doody more like it!
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67238
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl/25th
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:21:09

Because Saturn will be aligned with Mars with Juipter rising.  The same
thing will be happening in our twin galaxy on the other side of the universe
except in reverse.  

Then again, I'll never tell.

My daughter, Christian is due on the 17th of July and my wife Jasmine is due
on the 8th of July.  By golly, I think today is the 7th.

Message: 67239
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: BOB/various
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:30:23

Good point about AIDS Bob.  Whenever I shoot-up I'm wearing a condom.  Now
is that safe or what?

As far as me being so-called "mean" to Christians, Bob, is because I love
all animals, the human included.  In fact there is within me an equal love
for all atoms in the universe and that is why you think I am being mean
whereas I am only trying to help save the race from its folly.

I am not lukewarm as your confusing book of Orders warns against, I try to
help when I can because I have a big vested interest in the outcome of the
human race.  This interest is always in the fore-front of my mind.

And that is why you think I am being "mean".

As for humans with hair then I think you missed it.  Our ancestors, the
cave-men were hairy types but when they slit open and crawled inside a large
dead animal it was an error that would have resounding consequences up to
this day and beyond.

Message: 67240
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/Hair
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:31:37

Check out Jeff Beck the next time you see him.

Message: 67241
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AIDS
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:33:36

Everone knows that AIDS was started by the Communists....err or wast that
Drug Dealers?

Message: 67242
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/air quality
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:41:48

I'll tell you what gets me.  While driving down a street, any street, I'll
see someone pushing a baby stroller complete with baby.  The avenues jambed
with automobiles with their engines running, emitting all sorts of toxic
waste including brake shoe lining and guess what the baby has to breathe
from.

We'd better hope that our children are capable of mutating FAST.  Comprendo?

But in reality it is all of us who are breathing this same stuff even in our
homes but it is when I see children that it is brought to the fore-front of
my mind.

Thanks for the information.  Of course the Air Travel industry is big
business just as the National Dairy and Cattlemen's Industry.  

So, do we die with smiles on our faces and green paper money in our wallets
or what?  Ugh.

Message: 67243
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AIDS
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:50:36

ANYONE, be they homosexual or hetrosexual who poke their partner in the
waste door SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD get AIDS.

To those who have it from that reason, better luck next time.

ANYONE, who bypasses all bodily defense systems with a needle and injects
some substance into their veins SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD get AIDS.  Better
luck next time.

And if there was a cure for AIDS it should not be given to either group
unless they come to the complete understanding that it ain't good to go
messing with Mother Nature.          _Rod

Message: 67244
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Christians
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 14:22:40

Well Jeff Beck, if you read carefully my post, I said I'm not a practicing
christian. My father is jewish, my mother is catholic, my mothers parents
were protestant. So you can see I was educated in numerous religions.
I had my holy communion, and a barmizwa both, because the grandparents
insisted upon it.
Does believing in a higher being make me a moron?
Since I am somewhat educated in the old and new testament, and for reading
prefrance the old testament, I haven't made up my mind about christ yet, but
I do firmly believe in a higher spirutal being, no matter what you want to
call him,her or it.
What is so terrible about believing in a higher being, if you are wrong, who
is going to punish you when you die?
So I wasted some precious thought and time.
Will it make a diffrence when my time is up? About looking into the sky when
praying, I never gave it any thought, about were I look, as a matter of fact
I close my eyes when praying. Who is to say I'm really praying? I personnaly
think I am communication with whatever I believe in. I have not gotten an
answer yet, but that is what hope is all about. I guess we will all find out
when we die, wont we.
I do not sit around and try to pray the worlds problems away, I try to
activly participate in any effort to change it, worthy efford that is.
For one I don't know if I could be a good christian, I don't believe in adam
and eve, nether do I agree with the pope on his stand about contaceptives.
THE ( I guess I'm going to hell ) MAD MAX

Message: 67245
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: Terminal
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 15:31:22

LSi  (ADM) Information Display (Dumb Terminal)  for sale...  $10.00

Digital Correspondent (printing terminal)  for sale...  $10.00 also

Mono Monitor (RCA) two wire Amber... $35.00

Call me at 843-3346 if interested.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67246
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 17:47:20

Re:  "When I was there in June, I was promised more information."

I would be interested in whatever you find out.  Thanks!

Message: 67247
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AIDS
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 17:53:47

Re: "Why do AIDS infected people have such rights to privacy, when a person
with the clap of some other VD has to list all his contacts?"

Re:  "It is a major disease, yet we're all expected to act like it isn't
there or something least we offend the gays!"

There is the answer!  "least we offend the gays!"

The homosexuals are the current "sacred cow".  If you offend them, you are
in big trouble!  Just ask Andy.

Message: 67248
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 17:58:41

Re:  "sorry, I meant gays"

The correct "word" is homosexual.  I see nothing "gay" about being in a high
risk group of AIDS.  "Gay" is the word the homosexuals coined to present a
more positive image to the public.

Message: 67249
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:01:25

Re:  "FAGGOT, POOFTA, QUEER"

Mike, you got a real way with words.  I got a good laugh out of your post.

Message: 67250
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:03:01

Re:  "Is that why you can't find atheists looking up at the ceiling and
talking to imaginary beings?"

I thought you knew Rod Williams?

Ha!

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

Message: 67251
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:05:10

Re:  "homosexuals object to terms like "faggot", "queer", and the like"

I'm sure they do.  Just like prostitutes object to terms like "whore".

Message: 67252
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:07:45

Re:  "putting higher taxes on housing, corporations and cigarettes"

If there is going to be higher taxes, they should be on booze and
cigarettes.  I don't use either one.  That seems fair to me  Ha!

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:
s

Message: 67253
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:10:23

Re:  "Whenever I shoot-up I'm wearing a condom.  Now is that safe or what?"

I guess that depends on what you're shooting up with whom?

If everyone followed your policy there wouldn't be an AIDS problem!

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

Message: 67254
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Beck/GCU
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 20:46:44

        Remember, Lochansky, that man is made in the image and likeness of
God, created bty God to enjoy the fruits of the world and attain eternal
happiness, and man can screw that up only by trying to be a god, himself,
insterad of acknowledging the Godness of God. 
        Hey, Beck, do you still hold to the sanctity of life of all beings?
                                -0--John C.---

Message: 67255
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/AIDS
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 20:57:58

        St. Joseph's Hospital has a bulletin board which is often boring,
but sometimes very interesting. They are now quoting the statistics of AIDS
infection in the state of Arizona, as well as of the country. I recommend it
highly, it is very informative.  The main gist of it, is that 88% of the
Aids cases in Arizona (90%) in the USA) are in homosexual or bisexual men or
intravenous drug abusers. Between 2% and 4% are in hemophiliacs who
contracted the disease from a blood transfusion. Most of the rest are in
people who have had sex with bisexuals or drug addicts, and some are listed
as from "category 2 countries." I don't know what a category 2 country is,
but I know that if 90 to 92% of AIDS cases (and 73% homo men) are from rump
humpers (great term, Mike, thanks) or IV drug squirters, then I refuse to
accept this as a "disease of all Americans!"

Message: 67256
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/ Words
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:05:18

        Maybe prostitutes object to it, but us whores don't mind it all, ask
any other politician.               --John C.--

Message: 67257
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff L/Wrong/punish
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:22:00

You said: What is so terrible about believing in a higher being, if you are
wrong, who is going to punish you when you die?  

Well, that last sentence was an exact quote of what you said.

You mean that if a person is a non-believer and when they die they may be
punished?  

Jeff, if all this stuff and all these people that you see around you was in
fact created by some super intelligent entity and this entity would punish
ANYTHING it made, ever, then something is wrong somewhere.  It could still
be considered super intelligent but it could not be considered as loving. 
In fact IT could be considered as cruel.

After all, here we would have something capable of creating other life
forms, although not as of yet intelligent ones, and then because of an error
judgement have them punished.

If I am going to believe in a made up deity then thank you, I will believe
in one that is into recycling AND one that has some very good measurements
if you know what I mean.  Perhaps a Marilyn Monroe clone or something.
                                Rod

Message: 67258
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/your 67231
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:22:45

A real classic and I enjoyed it as such.  Thanks for the well put together
words.

Message: 67259
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/die
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:26:07

What gives you the idea that "we will all find out when we die."

What you say may or may not be true.  Do you know something that I don't in
regards to that matter?  You said that you have not received an answer while
praying.  

                                Rod

P.S.  Reading it in a book does not make it so.  :)

Message: 67260
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JC/God
Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:30:56

I have a higher I.Q. than God.

By the way, how does one go about trying to take God's place?  Is it hard or
easy?  Any clues?

Could something that God created stand a chance of 'taking over?'

Just curious.

                                Rod
P.S.  What do I personally have to do to be assured of eternal hell?