Apollo BBS Archive

Apollo BBS Archive - July 31, 1990

Mail from Melissa Dee
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 09:07:51

So, you are back in the saddle again, so to speak, eh?  I thought is was ok
to have sex while a woman is pregnant.  But I would think it would be pretty
difficult find a good position.  
Interesting...
Yeah, talk with whoever.  I want to get myself out there and I never can get
a hold of Peter.
Glad you liked the mobile!  I hope K. Starr will too!
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:A pregnant stomach turns me off but it is safe until the final month but I 
 2:gave it 2 extra months anyway.  You are supposed to wait for about six weeks
 3:but we never did.  Two weeks max, a little loose but not for long.
 4:
 5:Peter is going on vacation real soon to San Francisco where he will do some 
 6:performances.  Did you see the write up on the production in last weeks New 
 7:Times?  
 8:
 9:I'll be in touch, eh.  Give em hell.   Rod

Mail from Apollo SYSOP
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 23:49:46

Okay.. I will leave her mail....

                Have a happy!  (you need one)  Make that two!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:Okay, I will mail the check the day I hear that it is 'set' with her.  
 2:Thanks.
 3:
 4:And don't get personally upset with the posts that I am about to download to
 5:you but people need to think of what I am saying.  A childs life is at stake
 6:here.      Rod

Mail from Melissa Dee
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 00:25:01

He's going to SF, eh?  No, I hadn't heard.  I have the last weeks New Times.
I'll look for him.  Was it just about the band playing?  Well, I guess I can
find out for myself.
Wow.  So, you didn't have sex, or you both didn't have intercourse.  Three
months is a long time.  
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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 1:Look on page 43 for the picture with accompaning story, something about 
 2:Monsoon.
 3:
 4:Yes, three months of being in limbo...man was I horny, I could have screwed 
 5:a sheep.  But I didn't because there are none around here, ha ha.
 6:
 7:Peter started his 2 week vacation today.

Late Night Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 1892
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 03:24:35

Most intruguing.  I find your statement that "the mind contains a file
cabinet and the order things are put in and taken out is in direct relation
to what format you are using" to be a particularly perspicacious insight.  I
also find intuitive sense in the notion that indecisiveness frequently leads
to more error codes.  Of course, that may be exactly what the decision calls
for...
 
RE: the processes and the junkyard.  I don't think that these things (the
processes) were meant to be operated "manually", at least, not from that
level.  One has the impression of being in the utility corridors between the
walls of a building when one has for his entire life trod only the halls of
the facade.  These processes are probably thought; and by "thought" I mean
certain tools of analysis, not mere awareness.  It is not necessary to
think in order to observe, though ordinarily we do not separate the two.
In observing the "junkyard", one has the impression of observing the
after-effects of a tornado; except that things are clustered in piles and
along apparent paths, as though the winds were not as chaotic as that of a
tornado.  Things are scattered about as though the wind had suddenly put
them down.  I think the "junk" may be ideas, concepts, convictions,
suspicions, emotions, etc..  It is not a place I would want to be caught in
once the wind starts up again.  There must be many collisions.

Message: 1893
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last few
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 00:30:28

I'm not awake enough for this.

Message: 1894
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Jeff/junk
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 01:02:14

I do have a drawer that is labeled 'junk' and it is in good order.  Over the
years I have learned a better format routine that what I grew up with.  In
fact I wasn't really taught anything but reaction in a not so logical
sequence.

During the late sixties my mind was wiped fairly clean so to speak.  I
started work on getting rid of superstition and that has helped my decision
making a lot.  Once I found where to put religion I started to soar.

It is like each item of bull that one considers when a decision needs to be
made is much like a heavy chain.  And decisions take longer because there is
more to consider and their questionability is always in doubt therefore more
error codes to deal with.  But once those false values are put in their
proper place and no longer need to be considered then it is like having gold
plated wiring to quickly carry the information thus forming a more rapid and
more accurate decision.

I was only there as an observer, a bystander and I found the process
fascanating to say the least.

Can you imagine what havoc believing that an eternal hell existed would
have on my decision making?  


Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 68065
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Bill Burkett
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 05:55:59

 As far as I'm concerned Bill, it's not a marketing decision, nor a
marketing position, since I am not trying to sell you or anyone else on my
personal beliefs. While I am never reluctant to state my beliefs, or stand
up for them, I do not believe in a futile effort to cram my beliefs down
someone else's throat.
 A decision to accept Jesus Christ as Saviour is as personal, or perhaps
even more personal, than the choice of a wife or husband, and must be made
by the individual, not by someone else.
 Although I sometimes fall far short of the goal, I try to make my life my
best witness of what I believe, not so much by the things I don't do because
I consider them evil or unChristian, but by those qualities that make me
pleasing to my Lord, anad therefore pleasing and acceptable to others as
well.
 Since I am not trying to sell you anything, or push anything on you, there
is no reason why this discussion should lead to war, or even unpleasantness,
unless you choose to wage a one-sided battle. God bless.

Message: 68066
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie on video
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 05:59:09

"Pauley kept making clown faces right in front of the lens!"
 Can I help it if you kept that thing pointed at me? (Probably because I was
the best looking subject around, except perhaps for Melissa and Sandy.)

Message: 68067
Author: Hans Glans
Category: Religion
Subject: 68065
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 07:29:53

Not trying to sell...
just being righteous as ....!

Message: 68068
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: John Cummings/Sandi
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 09:29:07

Saying that Sandi "ranks right up there with Melissa and Ann" isn't really
saying much since Ann and I are the only two females who regularly post (and
maybe Sandy).  

Message: 68069
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Bill's Charity
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 09:29:34

So who won the free status?

Message: 68070
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Bill's Charity/last?
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 09:39:14

        Yea Bill... Today is the day... Who gets it now?  Better make your 
pick or get flogged by angry users.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68071
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod's manipulation
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 09:52:46

        See how Rod uses the innocent child approach to try and get people
to give up their 'Freedom of Religion' and the 'Freedom of expression'.
If you BELIEVE in a fire and brimstone hell and tell a young mind this, he
wants you to go to jail.  This is clearly a violation of Religious freedom
that the Constitution guarantees us.  Typical communistic throwback with
single dimension thinking.
        By the way, I don't believe in that kind of a hell...   But I could
be wrong.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68072
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Bulletins
Subject: GRANT ANNOUNCEMENT/1
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 10:19:35

                       ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE
               1990 BILL BURKETT APOLLO FOUNDATION
                             GRANTEE
 
        As those of you who log into Apollo regularly know, I
recently was awarded Special Blue $tatus membership in Apollo as
a result of being the 150,000th caller to the system.  Special
Blue $tatus membership is essentially lifetime $tatus; no annual
fee.
        However, because I am already gloriously rich, I have
decided to donate this prize back to the system, establishing the
Bill Burkett Apollo Foundation.  The Foundation's purpose is to
grant one non-$tatus user per year full $tatus to Apollo, with
the intent of encouraging that user's addiction to the system
such that he or she will find it necessary to pay for $tatus at
the end of the grant period.
        The only restrictions on this grant are that (1) the grantee
must log onto Apollo and post messages regularly, and (2) that
any messages posted by the grantee in the publicly accessible
areas of Apollo must conform to generally accepted norms of
public discourse.

Message: 68073
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Bulletins
Subject: GRANT ANNOUNCEMENT/2
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 10:20:00

        Unfortunately, it seems the non-$tatus users of Apollo
rarely post messages, making it difficult to determine who might
be a deserving candidate for the grant.  This difficulty
notwithstanding, it was possible to make a selection for this
year's grant.
        But first the honorable mentions:
        Mr. Gordon Little, had he not purchased $tatus a few months
ago, would have made a fine grantee.  His messages are always
thoughtful and full of good spirit.  It is indeed a pleasure to
see his addiction progressing so nicely.  May you have a long
life on Apollo, Gordon!
        And, although she's been with us only a very short time, Ms.
Sandi Marlin has jumped right in, also contributing reflective,
well thought-out messages on a variety of topics.

Message: 68074
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Bulletins
Subject: GRANT ANNOUNCEMENT/3
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 10:20:26

        This year's grantee, however, has shown himself to be of the
kind of stuff Apollo needs.  He has not only told us what he
thinks on a broad range of subjects, he has sometimes asked for
our help.  For both of these things he has taken more than a
little bit of criticism, yet he has faced the sometimes
inconsiderate, often rude, answers he's received with an
unflagging good nature; taking our suggestions and brickbats to
heart and examining them with the knowledge that we might be
right!
        Ladies and gentlemen of Apollo, the winner of the 1990 Bill
Burkett Apollo Foundation grant (A $12 value!) is Mr. Jeff
Lochansky.
        Congratulations, Jeff!  Your $tatus will be activated just
as soon as Cliff receives whatever he needs from you to do so.

Message: 68075
Author: Sandi Marlin
Category: Answer!
Subject: cars
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 10:35:21

Yeah, and you should see the looks on their faces when I play it right and
that little Falcon hangs all over them until it runs out of gears at about
sixty or so...
I'm amazed at the flattery...you trying to butter me up or something?
ha ha ha

Message: 68076
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ElDorado
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 11:18:14

Well John, I drove it to the GT, that should be prove that it still runs.
I do have to say though, that the caddie has a bad reputation, and I must
have gotten extremly lucky with mine, and it also might help that I'm a
mechanic by trade.
       THE
M M A D   M M A X
  M M A D   M M A X
    M M A D   M M A X

Message: 68077
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Bill's Grant
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 11:23:19

I honestly feel honored, and no matter how small someone might think the
amount of $12 might be, to me it's a lot of money at the moment.(I would
have become a $tatus user long ago if I would have had the money)
I promiss to manage the grant with the faith and rules that Bill wanted.
Thank you again, you don't know how much you have made my day.
Jeff Lochansky
PS Cliff, let me know what kind of information you'll need from me.

Message: 68078
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: jeff/relativity
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 12:46:41

re: frequency doppler effect: The doppler effect does not depend upon the
speed of propagation through space. If the source or receiver is moving
relative to each other, the distance between waves is increased relative to
space and time. no mystery there. it still travels at the same speed through
space. 
 
re: time dilation experiments. There have been time dilation experiments
using and airplane. I would be surprised to hear that there has been no
verification on space flights. 
 
re: 4 space geodesics --- just another way of looking at reality.

Message: 68079
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/relativity
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 14:43:00

Just out of curiosity, I have read somewere that during the old apollo
mission to the moon NASA did time experiments (ie. compare ship time to real
earth time ) and by the time they landed there was a supposet 14 minute
difference in the time elapsed. Does that go along with what you were
talking about?
And if so, was it true and did they prove anything or was it just hardware
error?
       THE
M M A D   M M A X
  M M A D   M M A X
    M M A D   M M A X

Message: 68080
Author: Sandi Marlin
Category: Answer!
Subject: debate
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 15:12:05

A) What were you guys debating then? I'm still in the process of working out
where everyone stands on various issues and who is usually arguing against
who in debates...I tend to try to tread lightly and carry a clever
explanation of my position...
B) I think it costs money to join...I've been out of work so long I forgot
what money looks like. I've been getting by with bare essentials(like gas
for the car)with plastic.

Message: 68081
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: For sale
Subject: minus one micro
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 15:17:17

Ok folks, step right up.  I still have an answering machine for $25.00
a typewriter for $15.00, and a stereo (with dual cassette and record player)
for, humm, let's see, $40? or best offer.
Get it while it's hot!  No, wait.  Wrong thing to say.
And thanks to Mike Carter for taking the microwave off my hands.  
Interested?  Send me e-mail!

Message: 68082
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: New User
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 15:51:02

        Well, not that new, but NEW to $tatus!  Please welcome Jeff
Lochansky as Apollo's newest $tatus user.  Jeff as you know got his $tatus
from the 'Bill Burkett Foundation'... Paid in FULL!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68083
Author: Red Dwarf
Category: Politics
Subject: Help??
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 20:17:12

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   Is Ev Mecham too much of a basket case?
   Was there ever any hope for Jim Wright?
   Is it too late for John Mc Cain???
  The answer is yes! Just say yes to the support group for wayward
politicians.   The Tempe Twenty BBS
                 24 hour political reaction
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       The Tempe Twenty  "We're In Charge!!"
  300bps 7N1  731-9538    From the people who brought you HELL BBS!

Message: 68084
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Cliff & Sandy
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 20:52:07

   Thanks for the fun evening.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 68085
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi M.
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 20:56:30

  As to the question of who usually argues with whom, it varies. I have
fought just about everyone at one time or another. We have religious people
and atheists, conservatives, liberals (I think), and libertarians, and a lot
of other differences divided in strange ways among individuals. After years
of this I can usually tell where someone will stand on an issue, but not
always. Don't worry about the fallout, because it it's all in fun. Just dive
in.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 68086
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi/hint
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 21:24:22

When you are responding to a certain message it is a good idea to state
which person you are answering.

Message: 68087
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliffy/religion
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 21:30:13

Anyone who tells a youngster that a hell exists is a real sicko, no question
about it and if I am interfering with Freedom of Religion by speaking out
then that's too bad.

I'll interfere with it plenty in order to help save kids from having a
screwed-up brain.

Kids tend to believe adults especially parents and when told something like
hell is real can warp the little tykes brain for life.

I honestly believe that those people who do tell their children about an
eternal hell should be locked up.  If I wanted to be like Paul then I'd say
shoot them at the time of conviction.

It is in fact criminal child abuse to tell them this.

Sure this message is redundant but there isn't a person brave enough to
answer a few simply questions.  They are too busy hiding behind their wimp
god.

To send mail to operator use 
First name:SYSOP
Send mail to Apollo SYSOP:Yes

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:I will purchase $tatus for Sandi Marlin (if she is real) for one year.  I 
 2:wish to remain anonymous though.  I will mail you a check.  Thanks.
Message: 68088
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/Hell
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 21:40:24

        Hell is simply existence without God, and is a matter of choice by
the hell-bound person. Choose to exist without God, in the after-life, so
called, and you choose Hell. Choose God and you avoid Hell.  See how simple
that is?
        I only teach my own children, grandchildren, several classes of
three-to-six year olds, and I'm waiting to instruct your new daughter. 

Message: 68089
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/religion
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 21:53:31

        And this answer will be a bit redundant, because I've already given
the simple straight on Hell.
        But I have to comment on your vitriolic splenetic attack. How do you
ordain yourself to pontificate on what other people teach their children?
How do you have the brass armpits to decree that it is "criminal child
abuse" to teach about Hell? 
        You place yourself to oppose the considered thinking of centuries of
the majority of intelligent westerners, then you vomit your unsubstantiated
howls of acid upon decent people. Shame, shame.
        If I were a real Christian, I'd really be piqued!
        As it is, I'm only trying to be one!       John C--

Message: 68090
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: This board
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 22:05:06

        Clif, this is probably a compliment and commendation to you, and if
so, take it as well meant.  But, it is getting darn hard to log on to this
board.  I just spent the better part of an hour checking in every ten
minutes or so, getting a busy signal, then wandering around. The Mensa board
has a childish discussion about evolution (but better than Rod's) and a few
specifics on overpopulation. 
        I logged on to the ACLU board, but I'm ashamed to be identified with
all those raving liberal pinko queers, so I used the name Jeff Beck, to be
on the safe side.
        Even the ASU library was closed!
        St. Joe's Hospital gives a nice report on Aids, but I wanted some
neat conversation.
        Dammit, Apollo is the only fun board around!
        Well done, Cliff, well done!!!

Message: 68091
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 22:16:48

Re:  "What's the deal, just how sick are you?  That is what I am trying to
determine, Mr. Bob.

Are you being a criminal child abuser with your children?

They are worse than drug dealers, homosexuals, rapists and communists even
if all rolled into one."

Sorry, I never give serious answers to someone who rants and raves.  You
show nothing but the utmost contempt for people who believe in the Bible. 
Why should I fan your flames (get it?  hell, fan your flames?).  Ha!

If you want to simmer down and ask a serious question, I will give you a
serious answer.  Besides, haven't we gone over all this several times
before?

I just changed my policy and decided to answer someone who rants and raves
just this one time, so watch it in the future.

God doesn't send children to hell.  

Message: 68092
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 22:17:23

Re:  "Sandi Marlin is one of the most intelligent, charming, lovely, sweet,
and kind women who have ever graced this board. She ranks right up there
with Ann and Melissa."

Ann and Melissa??  Man, are you in big trouble with Sandy Sysopette.  She'll
probably throw you in the Phantom Zone to learn to have some respect.  Ha!

Message: 68093
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question?
Subject: Roger/relativity
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 22:48:34

My mind is a stone, Roger.  I still don't understand why, if the speed of
light is constant with respect to an observer, why there is any doppler
effect.  According to the special theory of relativity, the speed of light
is constant with respect to the motion of any observer.  If I am chasing a
ray of light at walking speed, the speed of the light relative to me will
still be c.  If I am chasing a light ray in a spacecraft travelling 25,000
miles per hour, the light ray will have exactly the same speed relative to
me as it did when I was only travelling three miles per hour.  Under such
circumstances, I do not see how waves can ever suffer compression or
elongation.  Of course, the special theory requires that the two bodies be
in uniform relative motion; meaning motion in a straight line at constant
velocity; unaccelerated, in the Newtonian sense of the term.  Of course,
this cannot be said to be true of the Earth relative to some distant star
from which we perceive a red shift.  Perhaps that has something to do with
it.
 
As for time dilation experiments on an airplane, I don't understand how that
would be possible.  The speed of an airplane relative to an observer on the
Earth is negligible compared to relativistic speeds.  In order to notice any
dilation the according to relativity theory the trip would need to be
outrageously long, wouldn't it?  

Message: 68094
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff L.
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 22:50:23

At the speed of a NASA rocket, in order to notice a 14 minute difference
according to relativity theory, the voyage would have to take aeons.  I
think.  This is all very new to me.

Message: 68095
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John C.
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 22:53:45

I trust you're joking about the use of my alias.  If you're not, keep in
mind that I can, without too much trouble, log onto a dozen or so
high-traffic boards and leave irresponsible messages in your alias.

Message: 68096
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/relativity
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 23:07:49

The alleged purpose of relativity is to exclude what is relative and arrive
at a statement of physical laws that shall in no way depend on the
circumstances of the observer.  After all, one cannot call something a
property of a physical entity if that something depends on the observer.  It
is the goal of relativity, then, to determine intrinsic properties.
 
Measured mass (relativistic mass) depends on the motion of an observer. 
When an observer is moving the same speed as a particle moving at
relativistic speeds, there is no phenomenon of an increase in mass; measured
mass equals rest mass.  Therefore, measured mass is not an intrinsic
property of matter.  Since energy is quantitatively equivalent to measured
mass, it too is a mere mathematical boogeyman, and not an intrinsic
property.
 
X^2 + Y^2 = 0 . . . therefore, God exists: respond!!

Message: 68097
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod on Hell
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 23:17:41

        Hell is real...  Just not like you discribe it.

        No one wants to answer your loaded questions the way you word them.

Re: "It is in fact criminal child abuse to tell them this"

        Rod, can you tell me the criminal code statute this is covered
under?  I can't seem to find it?

        Rod, grow up.. if you want to talk about God, then fine, but keep
the insults under your hat.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68098
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Rod on brain
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 23:37:26

        You are so worried about someone talking about hell, and somehow
you think that will screw up a young brain.  That is a lot of garbage coming
from a person who wants to make drugs legal and REALLY screw up brains.

        My boys know about HELL...   They have not been screwed up. They
are able to understand the data fed them and make their own decisions on
what is right and what is wrong.  They see a God of LOVE.   You Rod on the
other hand can't handle data and only see the down side to anything. If you
and people like you were not so NEGATIVE, this would be a better world.

        So, keep a theory a secret and abandon freedom of religion to
protect (sic) the young mind, and let government laws dictate the religion
we can teach our young.

        *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68099
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John Cummings...
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 23:40:19

        Why THANK you John....  You made me feel good, and I needed it
today!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68100
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: $tatus users only
Subject: Tom R. Slone
Date: 07/31/90  Time: 23:48:02

        The old Classic Apollo will be on line tonight (7/31/90) from 5
minutes before midnight to 10am in the morning (08/01/90).
        This is its REAL B-Day...  to bad we are not having a big storm.

        Anyway, for classic Apollo, call 843-3346  TONIGHT ONLY!

        This is the LAST CHANCE log in till July 1991....  

        Rules... Post no more then ONE post (if you have not already posted
one) and you may send up to 3 letters in the old (Paul Savage Station Post
Office)

        Thanks!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68101
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 00:35:23

But Bob
"Hell is for children" 
It sure was for me.

Message: 68102
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: New user
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 00:44:47

Mad Max is old hat now....
        We now have 'Sandi Marlin' as Apollo's newest $tatus user.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 68103
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 01:04:45

Anyone who teaches that unless they believe a certain way or they will be in
hell is a sick, sick puppy.  And I reckon, from what you said, that you need
treatment.

Message: 68104
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John/ans.#2
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 01:07:12

If you are saying in one breath that I attack decent people and in another
that decent people teach their children there is a hell then I can hardly
wait to hear what delight your third breath will produce.

Message: 68105
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob T.
Date: 08/01/90  Time: 01:09:42

Re:  "God doesn't send children to hell."

That's real big of you Bob.  What does he do, wait till they turn 18 or 21?

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What you are advocating under Freedom of Religion is that absolutely
anything is permissible.

This includes telling a child that unless they believe as they are told
that they will be punished forever without relief.   Does this seem right
to you?

It could also include a host of other ideas all under the guise of
religious freedom, couldn't it?  

The only other religious practice that I see as more damaging than messing
up a youths mind with blatant lies is the human sacrifice.  The religion
that performs this ritual is rooted deep within Christianity.

From your message I gather that you support the right of religious
expression for all sects including the Devil Worshippers?  You'd have to
because to deny other religions their freedom of expression would make you a
hypocrite, wouldn't it?

And while these Devil Worshippers are warping the minds of their young you
would just have to sit back and say, oh well, it's their religious freedom
in action.


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But not me.  As an atheist I see through the bull and outright lies that
are used to control the gullible human animal.  And the poor children, many
of them will grow up carrying this torment around with them that there
exists a living eternal hell.  How utterly gross.

This information when presented as a fact to a young person can and does
have effects that resounds for many years.  This lie is with them for every
decision that they make during their life.  This society would be much less
up tight if this ignorant practice was dropped and replaced with a thought
of kindness and love.  Fat chance for now, eh?


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The SYSOP intervenes...
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:you went over my posts without reading them you phony.
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:I am answering the post you put up the last time I logged on.  When I get 
:off and read my buffer then I will put a post up about that if I decide to. 
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:Drugs are ok to fry brains,,,  but the truth is to be kept secret?
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:But alcohol does it so much better.
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:you are misled about the new drugs... you can kill yourself in seconds on an
:od ...but not on a beer
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:New drugs?  Do you have any?
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:no...  I don't even like you to joke that I do.
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:Damn...and just my luck
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:Luck?   My boys don't drink, smoke or do any illegal drugs
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:That's special.
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:???  that's because they believe in God...  
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:That too is special.
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:They believe in hell too.
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:And that too is sick.
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:but it is sick only to you...because you do not know what hell is and what 
:you talk about hell being is garbage.
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:And that is how I perceive your ideas of the subject.
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:that hell is fire and brimstone?  only an asshole would believe that.
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:Oh goody, I will post that on the main board and try to get an answer from 
:some of the lily-livered Christians who log on
ZAP...  You're dead