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Apollo BBS Archive - July 25, 1990


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Message: 67816
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Babies
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 05:51:49

Will you guys quit having babies?!  I had this incredible dream that I gave
birth to a baby and tried to breast feed but nothing was coming out so I had
to cut my breast open under the nipple to get the milk out.
ARRGGGGG.  Yuck.
Back to sleep
ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Message: 67817
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 05:56:38

 Congratulations on the newest Westfall! May she live long and prosper, and
learn to walk with God.

Message: 67818
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: sysop/morals
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 06:39:58

And when would say that "religion" was taken out of public schools ? I
don't remember saying any prayers (1944-1955), nor do I remember any Bible
instruction, nor do I remember any religious instruction. I was taught
English, a smattering of the sciences, Latin, Mathematics, and took Shop.
 
            

Message: 67819
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl on baby
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 06:52:44

Congratulations to you and your wife on your Sarah Beth. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67820
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/last
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 07:00:52

I too went to school about the same time you did and don't remember any
prayers either. We said the pledge of Allegiance using the word God in it
and that was all. However, when I went to Catholic school .........! Ha.
                         -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67821
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/$tatus Grant
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 07:27:45

> I am,
>
>                                Me
 
Actually, Rod, that's the problem.
 
Hey, if we don't chat again before your grand and glorious
opening at Gallery X, break a leg!

Message: 67822
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Misunderstood Words
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 07:28:24

I used to think the first word of the "Star Spangled Banner" was
"Jose," as in "Jose, can you see?"  Of course, I thought lmno was
one letter of the alphabet, too.

Message: 67823
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/msg# 67797
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:15:54

        Re: "I am a fairly strong person..."

        Rod, PLEASE shower before coming to GT.  Use lots of 'Dial' soap.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67824
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 67795
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:33:02

I thought it was "since there have been public schools, morals have
declined."

Message: 67825
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff Beck/science
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:35:14

Relative to non-scientific systems, science is superior in dealing with
empirical questions.  I think it frequently produces true conclusions about
the universe.

Message: 67826
Author: Sandi Marlin
Category: Answer!
Subject: the real me
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:52:40

Yes, Rod, there is a Sandi Marlin. 
By the way, as I read these, I notice that I seem to be significantly
younger than a fair number of the regulars...my parents were going to school
when some of you were...but that doesn't mean that I intend to be a young
brat. This is one of the few boards I've found since I got BOTH my modem and
a comm program working at the SAME time where I could get into a good
philosophical debate and I hope to be a decent regular at your apparently
civilized BBS...

Message: 67827
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Guest List
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 11:24:44

Ann Oudin
Beauregard Dog
Bill Burkett
Bob Thornburg
Daryl Westfall (unsure)
Dean Hathaway
Gordon Little & Wife?
James Hawley
Jeff Beck
Jeff Lochansky (Mad-Max)
Kim Paskiewicz
Melissa Dee
(( space ))
Mike Carter & Wife  (Fang)
Mike Kielsky
Pat Stoddard
Paul Savage & Wife
Ralph Blehm
Rod Williams
Roger Mann & Wife  (@ 8:30)
Shirley Bear & Friend
Steven Carls
Todd Reese                      And just maybe Jack Flash  (hope)
PLEASE.... If your Spouse is coming, tell me so I can list it!

Message: 67828
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Religion
Subject: Public Schools
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 11:44:59

        In Rhode Island (Town of Tiverton), I do very much recall saying a
morning prayer along with the Pledge to the Flag.
        This of course is in the mid 50's...
        I also recall the talks about religion and God.  My parents are NOT
Christians, so I did not get it from them.  My Mom even tried to talk me out
of believeing in God, but she did let me go to Sunday school anyways, as she
at least believed I had the right to make my own decision.
        If you think schools have nothing to do with morals, then why are
public school children so violent and more likely to commit crimes then that
of Private Christian school children.  I have been around the both groups
and have found Christian School children more well behaved then that of
their Public school peers.  (Yes, there are exceptions)

        The Answer:
                Must be Christian taught MORALS!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67829
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 12:27:16

The answer is probably discipline rather than religion.

Message: 67830
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Schools
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 13:46:04

  Jim Lippard was right. The decline of moral values does date from the time
that the system of private schools which left religious teaching to the
parents was replaced by public schools so that the religion of the status
quo could be furthered just as much as it dates from any other point.
  See You Later,
     Dean H

Message: 67831
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Edsels
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 13:49:25

  There is a '60 Edsel on that lot on Cave Creek which looks much different
from all the early models. It has the rounded look of the other '60 Fords
with a tiny Edsel emblem on the grille and a slightly different treatment of
the rear deck and taillights. I wonder if that was the last Edsel and how
many of them were produced. Are there any books specifically on the Edsel?
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 67832
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Corvair
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 13:53:12

  In the Ford book I recently read, it said that the Corvair Monza was the
inspiration for Ford's Mustang, which was created by putting a new body on
the Falcon to make it look sporty, and dropping in a 289 instead of a 260 V8
as the top engine option. I used to have a '65 Mustang, but it was beginning
to be a beater car when I got it and declined rapidly from there, due to
several accidents.
   See You Later,
     Dean H.

Message: 67833
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Joke
Subject: Cars
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 14:17:27

Who drives aford anyways, you all know what ford stands for, found on road
dead. I like my El Dorado, it has yet to let me down. I've got that TBI, and
I think that is about the best form of carburation they have come up with in
a long time, Get's great gas milage for a big car to, 18 mpg in the city and
24 mpg on the highway, no lie, and all that with a 350ci, and the comfort of
leather seats. Ahhhhhh cadillac, what else can you ask for.
Just thought I'd give my two cents worth.
The Mad Max

Message: 67834
Author: Hans Glans
Category: Religion
Subject: Schools
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 14:41:51

I was taught none in public schools, and really glad of that fact.
 
I would prefer my views of wrong and right come from logical conclusions, 
not fear of a vengeful god.
 
Cliff: Religious schools produce better students...I went to one, the kids
there were the same nasty little beasts as all over, they just dressed
nicer.

Message: 67835
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Religion
Subject: Schools
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 16:22:05

Of the people I know who attended religious schools, only one of them is not
mentally screwed up.  The hipocracy that the children see from the teachers
and what is being taught is, in my opinion, a form of mental child abuse.

Message: 67836
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Sandi
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 16:24:09

So, will you be coming?

Message: 67837
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Marlin/67812
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 18:36:29

Well put.  Cogent, but not insulting.  I wish I'd said that.

Message: 67838
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Joke
Subject: 67816
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 18:38:17

Ah, Beau is at it with the superglue again, I see.  Such a droll chap.

Message: 67839
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dean/Edsel books
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 18:53:13

Well, I have an old set of the reference, Books In Print.  The "Subject
Guide" is from '85-'86, and contains nothing under "Edsel"; however, this is
not surprising, as the subjects listed frequently tend to be more general. 
Nor did I see any titles specifically refering to the Edsel under
"Automobiles, History of" or "Automobiles, Collecting."  However,
in the "Titles" section of BIP, there was a listing for "Edsel Affair", by
C. Gayle Warnock.  I have no idea what the book is really about, though it
does have illustrations, so it may well be a book on the car.
 
Your best bet is to go to either ASU library, or (second best) a public
branch library that has computerized user terminals which allows you to
do word searches for both subject and title (ASU library has this).

Message: 67840
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Iced Coffee
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 20:00:24

Well, I decided to make my own.  It's my first batch, and while it isn't as
good as that of the Coffee Plantation, it's certainly better than that of
Duck and Decanter.
Here's how I made it:
 
I didn't feel like investing money in kits.   I used an ordinary graduated
plastic pitcher (say, marked with number of cups).  Not wanting to waste
freshly money in case it turned out to be crap, I used only a quarter pound
of (coarse) ground coffee, Irish Creme in my case. Putting that in the
pitcher, I added 1/8 gallon (two cups) of BOTTLED water.  It is very
important that your water is filtered (even the stuff you get from quarter
dispensing machines in front of groceries will do), otherwise, if you use
unfiltered tap water, it will have a nasty taste.  I made sure that the
grounds were submerged, except for a thin film on the top, and let that sit
at room temperature for 24 hours.  At that point, I filtered it (using an
ordinary drip coffee basket and several ordinary drip coffee filters.  This
left me with one cup of concentrate, to which I added three cups of cold
water (same restrictions).  If your water isn't cold, just refrigerate the
mixture. This gave me a quart (four cups) of iced coffee.  Fill your glass
with ice and pour in the coffee, adding milk or sugar as desired. I think I
added a little too much water to the concentrate, but I'm going to see if it
"ages" after refrigeration (obviously, you will want to keep this mix
refrigerated. The ratios are the same for larger batches.

Message: 67841
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Public schools
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 21:38:59

I think that the Shinto religion should be taught in schools, if one has to
be taught. Japan is a very well ordered, safe place, much more "Christian"
than the U.S. or European countries.

Message: 67842
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 21:43:00

Well, lessee... Melissa Dee is probably the youngest person who posts
regularly on the Public Board... though Jeff Beck, Jeff Lochansky, and
several others are also in their 20s (I think). There are also several of us
in our early 30s, but 35 gets you status as an Old Fart -- and there are
plenty of those around.
 
Don't worry about offending when you express religious, political, etc.
opinions unless you are expressing them in a patently offensive manner. 
We've got pretty thick skins around here, even if the retorts don't always
reflect that.  Most of us remember, most of the time, that this is only a
BBS, not a life-and-death situation.

Message: 67843
Author: Hans Glans
Category: War!
Subject: last
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 22:51:18

Except for the imfamous BBS massacre...

Message: 67844
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Age
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 23:26:38

I thought for sure that Jeff was younger than me.  I know for sure that Spaz
is.  I know my not the baby here anymore, that's for sure.

Message: 67845
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Question?
Subject: Jeff
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 23:27:16

Superglue?
I don't get it.
But I didn't understand my dream either.

Message: 67846
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Politics
Subject: Supreme Court
Date: 07/25/90  Time: 23:40:06

"Make definite assertions," counseled Professor Strunk in his well-known
book, "The Elements of Style".  James J. Kilpatrick certainly did that in
his syndicated column published on Monday.

Lamenting the fragmentation and lack of consensus within the Supreme Court,
Kilpatrick described the Court's last year of activity as "a stinker of a
term".  He went on to say:

     The court handed down only 129 signed opinions.  This was the smallest
     number in recent years, but considering the overall quality of the
     opinions this was surely a good thing.  Of the 129, only 15 opinions
     were of general interest.  Of the 15, eight were wrongly decided.

I had to chuckle at the baldness of that assertion.  My personal opinions
too have often differed from those of the Supreme Court.  But if Mr.
Kilpatrick can state flatly with such absolute, authoritative finality that
the Supreme Court is wrong over half of the time, then maybe we are wasting
our time and money by having a Supreme Court at all.  Perhaps we should
abolish it by Constitutional amendment and substitute a single arbiter of
justice.  We would have to choose him very carefully, though.  We would need
a person who is never wrong.  Someone like Mr. Kilpatrick, perhaps?

One of the decisions that Mr. Kilpatrick cited as the "three worst" was a
ruling that severely limited political patronage appointments.  Explaining
that patronage was "the glue that holds a party together", he felt that this
ruling had "struck a devastating blow at the two-party system."

I can follow his logic that far, but I cannot feel the way he does about
threats to the two-party system.  I am reminded of one of the classic
political cartoons of the last decade.  It likened the leading figures in
the 1980 Presidential election campaign to certain well-known characters
from the Wizard of Oz.

     Jimmy Carter as the SCARECROW:  "If only I had a BRAIN!"
     Ronald Reagan as the TIN MAN:  "If only I had a HEART!"
     John Anderson (remember him?) as the LION:  "If only I had a CHANCE!"
     The Voters as DOROTHY:  "If only I had a CHOICE!"

A two-party system doesn't give voters that much of a choice.  Either you
vote for this crew to run this part of your life, or you vote for that crew
to run that part of your life.  And just try getting an incumbent out of
office!  It fails 98% of the time.  Factors like these stifle choice and
flexibility and lead to political ossification, so I can't feel sorry about
anything that threatens "the system".  The best I can say about a two-party
system is that it's a heck of a lot better than a ONE-party system.

It isn't clear where Mr. Kilpatrick lays the blame for his complaints about
the Supreme Court, but I don't think he has considered that the kind of
bipolar philosophy behind a two-party system might itself be partly
responsible.  Now I've only lived in the U.S. for seventeen years, so I
can't talk about remote history; and perhaps it would be naive to expect the
Supreme Court to be apolitical -- especially when justices are political
appointees in the first place.  But I don't seem to remember, way back when,
that Supreme Court nominations were discussed in the same terms as they are
now.

The politicization of the the Supreme Court seems to have grown by leaps and
bounds during the eighties.  When a vacancy appears, the media swarm all
over a new candidate, dissecting his career and writings in meticulous
detail.  That would be fine if they were trying to assess his legal
competence.  But there is really only one assessment on their list of
priorities: Is he "liberal" or is he "conservative"?  As if there were no
other dimensions to the political spectrum -- let alone other ways of
measuring a person's worth.

This simplistic thinking -- no doubt intended for very simple people -- is
bad enough by itself, but it is compounded by the perception spread by the
media that there is only one political issue that counts.  And we all know
which issue that is.

Are there no other issues of concern?  Other political issues?  Important
issues of law?  Criminal law, civil law, corporate law, tax law.  But maybe
the average citizen doesn't know much about those things.

Perhaps I am being unfair in blaming the media for this incredibly blinkered
attitude.  After all, they are only reflecting the kind of political
infighting that is going on in Congress, fueled by lobbying groups.  We read
that Bush is under pressure to choose an antiabortion candidate.  We read
that others are pressuring Bush to choose a pro-choice candidate.  There
will be confirmation hearings in the Senate.  We read that Senator Charles
Grassley (R-Iowa, as if it mattered) will question the candidate sternly to
make sure he is not a supporter of abortion.  We read that Senator someone-
else will question the candidate equally sternly to make sure he is not an
*opponent* of abortion.  There are three articles on the subject in the
Arizona Republic today, and the headlines of two out of the three contain
the word "abortion".

There is a hint of common sense from Senator Alan Simpson (R-Wyoming), who
is reported as saying "I think it would be appalling to spend too much time,
if any at all, on abortion" when the hearings begin.  There is also a ray of
hope from the candidate himself, David H. Souter, who is supposed to have
said that if officials have any litmus tests to apply, he is not interested
in the appointment.  But then, he seems the kind of sensible fellow who
might be expected to rise above this circus atmosphere.

He is said to be a hard worker with a keen legal mind.  He also demonstrates
a streak of no-nonsense practicality by driving cars until they rust -- just
like you and me.  He is reported to have a wicked sense of humor.  Better
and better.  Like everyone else, I know next to nothing about David Souter,
but I have high hopes of him.  He is described, loosely, as "conservative".
If so, I hope he turns out to be the kind of "conservative" that C. Everett
Koop was as surgeon general, a man whose first concern was for truth and
honesty, and political ideologies be damned.

I may be dense, but I did have the idea that the U.S. Constitution provided
for Congress and the states to make laws.  The same Constitution provided
for an Executive branch, so that the House, the Senate and the President
could all get in one another's hair for the sake of something called "checks
and balances" among elected officials.  The Supreme Court, I thought, was
supposed to *interpret* law.  If their final, authoritative interpretation
of the law resulted in what seemed to be an injustice, then the remedy was
to alter the law -- at state level, at Federal level, or by Constitutional
amendment if absolutely necessary.

The referendum, the state capitol, the Congress, and the Presidential
elections are supposed to be the arenas where political battles are fought.
It is deplorable that political pressure groups who fail to win a victory in
their appointed arenas should try to make a boxing ring out of the Supreme
Court as well.  I don't deny that the political process has its
shortcomings, but they will not be remedied by letting the fight spill out
into the street where people are trying to go about their business.  Let the
Supreme Court go about its business without political interference, and we
will have no excuse to complain about the "quality" of its decisions.

Message: 67852
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Religion
Subject: Religion in schools
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:03:52

I see a BIG difference between "religion in schools" and "religious
schools".  "Religious schools" breathe religion (always a very specific
brand) down people's necks.  Catholic schools in particular are something
one is said to "survive".  But I don't mean to pick on the Catholics.  They
surely aren't the origin of all intolerably oppressive schools.

"Religion in schools", on the other hand, is different.  I had that, and I
didn't object to it in the slightest.  I think the greatest impact on kids'
religious and ethical opinions comes from the home, not from the school. 
For me, a hymn and a prayer every morning in school was just a sort of
useful cultural addition that eventually (not immediately, but much later)
helped to stimulate thought about religious issues.  It seems to me that
people can be more or less divided into three parts (the way Caesar did with
Gaul):

   1. The people who got religion rammed down their throats, and figured
      "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

   2. The people who got religion rammed down their throats, and hated
      every minute of it and swore undying revenge.  Classes 1 and 2 are
      mortal enemies.

  3.  The people who just got a nice warm feeling out of religion because
      if was offered to them but NOT rammed down their throats.  Lucky me.

Message: 67853
Author: Sandi Marlin
Category: Answer!
Subject: cars
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:18:36

Really, I like Caddies(the best cars I drove at Enterprise when I worked
there were the new Sedan D'Villes). That sounds like a new one you've got
and they're certainly nice cars. However, I drive a Ford for several
reasons:
1) I'm a college student and I can't afford Cadillacs, Mercedes,
Lamborghinis, etc., etc.
2) Nor can I afford constant repairs, and let me tell you, my old Ford gave
me less garbage in the time I've had it than any other vehicle owned by any
friend or family member. My dad's '88 Sentra cost a lot more last year than
my then 27-year-old original Falcon...and I could tell you some horror
stories about how many times I took a couple of those Sedan D'Villes for
non-warrantied work while I was at Enterprise...
3) I drive my Falcon because it's a special edition of sorts and it's the
only one of its kind(a 62 1/2 Sports Futura) in operating condition in
Phoenix or maybe Arizona. There are scores of Cadillacs not only like yours
but probably the same color with the same options. I drive it because it
makes a statement.
4) I love to use it to race appropriate vehicles because nothing annoys
people with attitudes driving four-cyllinder Jap cars and some V6 cars more
than to not be able to shake loose that "stupid little turquoise Falcon"(as
my friends call it. It just wouldn't be the same to pull that trick with a
'70 Chevelle.
5) There's probably other reasons but I won't think of them until later.

Oh yeah, I just thought of what that other reason was. 
5) My car will last longer than yours. Built back when cars were real cars,
it will run pretty much forever as long as I drive it nice. (When I replaced
my old engine, which was still running pretty good at the time,
incidentally, it had 170 K miles and had never been rebuilt or anything. It
was chewing through 60 weight racing oil at a quart every 300 miles, but it
still ran good despite its nonexistent compression. And it still got better
mileage than yours does.)

Message: 67855
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill Burkett
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:49:31

Hey man, just to think how my double $tatus would look:

        Author: $$ Rod Williams

Cool, eh?

Now do I win it or what?

(I'll give you $20.)

P.S.  Thanks for the "break a leg", but don't wish me luck.

Message: 67856
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:52:03

Re: "apparently civilized BBS..."

Stick around, it becomes real weird around each full moon.

Message: 67857
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Religion
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 01:03:44

If the Christian religion was taught in schools in the forties and fifties
then we should have a real smooth running country.  The people who attended
then are now in the upper crust of government and the like.

I guess it didn't work.

Message: 67858
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon/your 1 of 6
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 01:12:41

I will read them off line and comment later.

Your comment on religion was read and understood and it is my opinion that
religious teachings tends to hold the human race back and down rather than
allow a more rapid advancement.

If our current public schools taught that unless one believes in Jesus as
the lord and savior of the human race then just imagine how much more
screwed up this country would be.

Mental institutions would be bulging at the seams.  But then again I think
they are and with those from the period of the forties and fifties who were
taught religion in schools.

Just to think, being told by the establishment that unless you believe
something you will be punished forever for not believing it.

Can you imagine what type of mental illness this would cause?  People should
be made to realize that the whole thing is a joke and the joke is on
society.  

Just think, being told this rubbish by people who wear suits and showing
themselves as so called pillars of a society.  Sick, very sick indeed.


I noticed that some of you are on this 'age' thing again.  The number of
times your individual bodies circle the sun is an extremely loose
guidline if even that.  

What you are doing is following a program which has line numbers from 1 to
100 and some seem to be following it religiously, so to speak.

How do you expect to find somthing entirely new if you follow the
traditional programs?

Programs no longer need line numbers in order to 'run'.  

The possibilities of what can be are totally without limit and the mind
can work in either direction.

You may find that what you believe is what you get so write new lines
without numbers and see what can be achieved.

Our programs were generated from previous thinking so go beyond that to the
new and untried and you just may be another Columbus, so to speak.

Early man made notes and the information was passed around like a program
for humans to follow and what is believed by the majority usually holds
true no matter how glitched. 

Message: 67859
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AGE?
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 01:48:15

I noticed that some of you are on this 'age' thing again.  The number of
times your individual bodies circle the sun is an extremely loose
guidline if even that.  

What you are doing is following a program which has line numbers from 1 to
100 and some seem to be following it religiously, so to speak.

How do you expect to find somthing entirely new if you follow the
traditional programs?

Programs no longer need line numbers in order to 'run'.  

The possibilities of what can be are totally without limit and the mind
can work in many directions.

You may find that what you believe is what you get so write new lines
without numbers and see what can be achieved.

Our programs were generated from previous thinking so go beyond that to the
new and untried and you just may be another Columbus, so to speak.

Early man made notes and the information was passed around like a program
for humans to follow and what is believed by the majority usually holds
true no matter how glitched.  Time does not exist.

Message: 67860
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon/Supreme Court
Date: 07/26/90  Time: 02:45:24

What I would consider fair of the Supreme Court, to wit:

      That any person who teaches a minor that eternal punishment
      awaits them if they do not believe such and such will be tried 
      in the Courts of the United States and if found guilty of said
      charges will be put to death by whatever means is feasible in
      the defendants State of residency unless said accused is a minor
      then proper treatment in a care facility will be recommended.

Perhaps I went a tad overboard there so we could adjust it to read:

      First offense:  Five years and a $5,000 fine with 5000 community
      service hours to be performed in an atheist organization.
      
      Second offense: Ten years with a $10,000 fine and 10,000 hours of
      community service.

      Third offense:  Imprisonment in a State Mental Institution for Life.