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Apollo BBS Archive - July 22, 1990

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Mail from Jeff Beck
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 17:54:14

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OK, the southside is yours.  But someday, I may ask a favor of you.
 
Philosophy: a route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.
 
Ciao.
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 1:The favor is yours although I realize that you may never "call it in" but if
 2:you do I will expect it.
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 4:Philosophy:  All men are brothers, even though religion teaches different.
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Message: 6629
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Last....
Subject: akoy
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:19:06

Life is a blur of meat and Republicans.

Message: 6630
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last Few...
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:22:07

 
"Life is a bowl of cold menudo."
 
                        - Redd Foxx

Message: 6631
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Last....
Subject: akyo
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:40:25

I am topologically equivalent to a hampster.

Message: 6632
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: akyo
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 08:26:09

I think Jeff has been reading too much Bill Griffith...

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Message: 6634
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: last few
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 19:40:21

No, No No.
Now he's gonna go running around with purple shoe polish smeared in
sequin patterns with dirty socks stuffed in his mouth and
red hair dye while uttering trans-linear regressive alogrithms
for computing statistical indexes relating to gerbil sales.

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Message: 1380
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Shut Up Already!
Subject: Melissa
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:39:31

APS is smiling at my electric meter.

Message: 1381
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sun
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:26:39

I know what you mean.  I have been living in a trailer in Tempe which only
has a swamp cooler.  Even though I have only been sleeping there (it's
completely intolerable at all other times except the dead of night) it has
now become completely intolerable.  The heat is bad enough, but the humidity
inside the trailer (due to the cooler) is actually higher than outside.  It
is like sleeping in the tropics, and I now understand why living in the
tropics can be so fatiguing to anyone not adjusted to it. 

Message: 1382
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Escaping
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 08:13:24

Just teasing!  Actually, the plans fell threw at the last minute (like two
minutes ago).  
But wasn't that a great storm last night?!  I went dancing in the rain for a
while but came in before it started to pelt hail.
Anyone have any house or tree damage?  The lady across the street
volunteered that their tree fell threw their back fence and knocked over a
power line.

Message: 1383
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Melissa/last
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:42:57

We had a huge branch fall off our Eucaliptus tree in last nights storm. It
was big enough to have knocked someone out or killed them if they had been
standing underneath it at the time. It was the size of a small tree.
Fortunately, it fell in the middle of the yard. But if that tree every goes
- a neighbor's house will go with it! It's five stories high.
                         -=*) ANN (*=-

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Subject:Storm

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 1:It wipped around here and outside looked like tornado weather.  The winds 
 2:knocked over a lot of stuff including a very heavy door that I have been 
 3:building.  Our lights flickered a lot and my monitor went off and on.
 4:
 5:Just kidding about the monitor because we unplugged everything of value 
 6:before the storm hit.
 7:
 8:Usually we lose electricity service and I was surprised when we didn't.  I 
 9:had all available flashlights in working order and I knew where the candles 
10:were.
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Subject:Jeff/tropics

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 1:You are now going through what many great writers have experienced, such as 
 2:miserable living conditions.
 3:
 4:I lived in New Orleans for six years an economic slave and it was bad, real 
 5:bad with the exception of November and May.  The humidity is usually between
 6:90 and 100 percent.
 7:
 8:Then I made the mistake, while living there, of reading Henry Miller's 
 9:Tropic of Cancer.  I was depressed for months and months.  Please don't ever
10:read this book unless you are in a very happy situation.  Henry tells of his
11:life while living in Paris.  The miserable living conditions were too much 
12:for me to bear.  I think it affected my life.
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Message: 1387
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Tropics, etc.
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 15:26:10

Yeah, our lights were out for two hours.  I love these violent storms but
I guess that's because I am a native and love to see rain.  When I was
little there was a "tornado" that ripped open our front door and sent me
flying to the back of the living room.  Pretty intense.  In fact, I wrote a
poem about it.  I'll have to find it and post it.  
RE:  Tropic of Cancer.  Wow, a book that affected the life of Rod Williams.
I should give it a try.  Besides, I'm already as depressed as I am going to
get this summer.

Message: 1388
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Storm
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 19:50:48

Loved every minute of it.
We drove from my folks's place on 43rd and Peoria down to
my place at 12th and Dunlap.
The visibility got down to only 100 feet or less.
IN some areas it looked like 10 feet because through the rapidly
oscillating wipers and the blurring of water on my windscreen I
could just barely make out the lights of the guy in front of me
sitting at the Freeway and Dunlap.
 
Then just about everyone came out and danced madly about in the
water.
 
Phoenix. 

Message: 1389
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: the Storm
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 20:12:03

        We were out eating and then on the way home, the storm hit...
When we got out of our truck to go in we were pelted with hundreds of hard
hitting 1/2 inch hail stones.  Checking out the computer room, I found the
Un-Interruptible-Power supply was kicking in and out as it detected power
fluctuations.  In short, it was doing its job and making a lot of beeping
sounds to get its point across.

        Outside, the storm ripped off the car cover I had covering my 1965
Formula 'S' Barracuda.   A little rain also found its way into the PDP 11/34
I have under my patio.  The rear cover had blown open because I had failed
to lock it down.  Now that I have it all dried out...It is locked shut!

        All in all, it was a fun storm.

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Message: 1390
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: last, PdP 11/34
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:31:38

The price just dropped to .02 cents per pound.

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Subject:Several

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 1:Yes, the storm was fun.  Afterwards we went outside to enjoy the cool air.  
 2:Tonight I sat outside for a period looking to the free lightening show to 
 3:the south.  Every few seconds the sky lit up and big bolts were observed.  
 4:It was good to see but I'm glad I wasn't there.
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Subject:Melissa

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 1:It is a VERY depressing book.  Be warned.
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Message: 884
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Filmography
Subject: Ghost
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:29:40

No, but I once saw The Bowery Boys Meet Frankenstein.  Does that count?

Message: 885
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Review
Subject: Ghost
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:45:42

Patrick Swayze plays a man whose life is cut short by murder.  He contacts
Whoopi Goldberg, a phony psychic, in order to get in touch with his old
flame, who is now courting his murderer.  Evidently he hasn't heard of
direct dialing.  Anyway, Whoopi has a police record, and besides, how
credible can some black woman in dreadlocks be, so his ex-girlfriend doesn't
believe her when Whoopi tries to convince her that her dead boyfriend is
haunting Whoopi's apartment.  Patrick soon learns he can run through walls,
but is dissapointed that he can't have sex anymore.  This is similar to
Ghost Dad, in which Bill Cosby had similar problems, except that Bill Cosby
didn't possess Whoopi Goldberg's body in order to have (very tastefully
portrayed -- no tongues) lesbian sex with his ex. Swayze soon learns he can
alter the shape of his protoplasm (ahem) and uses this to scare his
rival/nemesis/murderer, by making a really ugly face at him.  In the next
scene, his rival is seen being wheeled off to a nursing home, and his hair
is completely white. The film then becomes very new-agey.  Swayze's ghost
jism impregnates his mortal girlfriend, who then has their "moonchild",
which for some reason not made clear by the film, they decide to name
"Leithauser".  Leighthauser has powers beyond the ken of mortal men, but is
driven insane by them, and soon uses them for evil.  We see many scenes of
him standing on beaches, causing ships to ground upon the midnight rocks,
laughing maniacally.  I thought the use of Al Stewart music during these
scenes to be surrealistic, if not grotesque.  In the end, Leighhauser and
his ghost dad have a final showdown, wherein they both dissapear.  Whoopi
then points toward the moon, and we see Swayze's smiling face.

Message: 886
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ghost/Zucker
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:49:12

Not something I would expect from one of the makers of Airplane!

Message: 887
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Melissa/Paul/Bear
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:25:28

    If it were dubbed in, it would have been re-dubbed. The film was shot by
a Japanese director if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps they just shortened it from
"mama-san?"

Message: 888
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ghost/Wait...wait...
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:28:26

Demi....and....uh....Whoopi....and.....IMPREGNATION?
 
Would it be too much for this SIG to ask how this was accomplished?
 
If it is, leave E-mail.
 
Daryl

Message: 889
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Daryl/how...
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:48:33

Astral janissaries, man, astral janissaries.

Message: 890
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Daryl/The Bear
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 06:17:26

 It is a French made film DAryl, not Japanese.

Message: 891
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:19:10

Re:  "Has anyone seen this one yet?"

No, but I plan on seeing it.  S & H both gave it thumbs down.  I was
surprised.  How many here usually end up agreeing with S & H?

Message: 892
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:20:33

Opps!  I was thinking about Ghost Dad, not Ghost.  Sorry!

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

Message: 893
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: paul/quick change
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:01:01

A VERY funny movie. Bill Murray is a comic genius. I like movies that
make me laugh from the gut --- this one did. I recommend it highly for
any Bill Murray fan. Also, Jason Robards, one of my favorite actors, played
the "smart" cop perfectly. A good story and  a lot of fun.

Message: 894
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Review
Subject: ghost
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:01:57

I haven't seen it. It looks dumb to me. When I found out it wasn't a
comedy, I reported it to CSICOP.

Message: 895
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: S&H
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:03:16

I never ignore advice from green stamp redeemers.

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Message: 897
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Filmography
Subject: Ghost (Dad)
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 15:29:11

You've got to be kidding.  The Bill Cosby thing?  No way.
Ghost even received a good review from the New Times.  
Well, I am not going to keep myself in suspence any longer.  I'm going to go
check it out at 4:30.

Message: 898
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ghost
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:06:52

It got a fairly good review in the Tucson Weekly and was trashed by the
Tucson Citizen.  But the Citizen reviewer is an idiot, so that means
nothing.  The Weekly's reviewer is pretty good, though.
   So how was it?

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Message: 1877
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Mike/tucking
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:44:40

Clean out of sight.
 
Incidentally, Mike Carter is in the other room smoking a cigarette.
Hey, that penguin suit thing was a gas, Mike.  How did the Polaroids turn
out?

Message: 1878
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Night-Life
Subject: Wow!!
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 03:40:16

At this very moment, Melissa Dee is leading Mike Carter around by a nipple
ring, while she sings "When the Saints Come Marching In"; Carter is
providing musical accompaniment on a Jew's harp.  Wait, he's just stubbed
his toe on an ottoman, and he's fallen out of tune . . . Melissa pretends to
be very angry, and makes him kiss her feet, each toe twenty times, before
allowing him to continue playing.
Now she's taken him into the kitchen...hold on until I get back...
Well, she made him balance an egg on his nose, while she flagellated him
with a birch rod.  He's smarting, but too disciplined to cry out.  Now
they're coming back down the hall toward this room.  Carter has a paper
grocery bag over his head, with the words "Bad Slave" scribbled on it, with
a red permanent marker by the looks of it.  Ye Gods, I do believe it's time
for the jalapenos!!  I'm logging off!

Message: 1879
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Jalapenos...
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:34:25

I'll never be able to swim again...

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Message: 67756
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike Eppers
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 20:14:46

        See the <$>cmd in the ain menu.

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Message: 67723
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GM cars
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:12:23

Rod, do you really expect us to believe that GM cars account for 40% of
those on the road?  That is the percentage that Dean's family saw broken
down.
 
I know that they have a pretty hefty market share, but that big?

Message: 67724
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Jim Lippard
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:13:06

will not make it.  He is going to be up on this

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 1:I really don't know what GM's market share is but we have to include the 
 2:Cadallic, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Corvette and Chevrolet.
 3:
 4:Maybe I have the figures in a reference book hereabouts.
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Message: 67724
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Jim Lippard
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:13:06

will not make it.  He is going to be up on this Saturday, not next Saturday.

You're going to put us in the back yard?  Do you have a misting system
there?

Message: 67725
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sines
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:14:44

Jeff, you can think of the sine function as giving you the 'height' of the
angle, when you put the base of the angle along the positive x-axis.  The
cosine function measures along the x-axis.

Message: 67726
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GM cars
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:38:37

Those numbers can mean things in two fashions.
In several if you wanna get technical.
(1) More than 40% of the market share is GM (?)
(2) GM cars last longer so more people own and drive them (?)
(3) GM cars fall apart on the road
(4) GM cars fall apart when Dean and wife are around
(5) Ford and Honda spent millions cleaning up the streets
(6) Ford and Honda paid for Dean and wife's vacation(s)
 
(9,923) Hunyai, Suzuki, GM and Ford are really all one big corporation.

Message: 67727
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 67472
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 16:30:32

"homophobe" should mean someone who hates conformity.
(That's with the Greek "homo"--with the Latin, then it's somebody who hates
human beings.)

Message: 67728
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike Carter/B-day
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:01:06

Hippo-Birdie 2 ewe.

Message: 67729
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Beau Dog/sines
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:16:05

I think that was what I said, when I mentioned that the sine function gives
the second coordinate (or the "height") when the first coordinate is any
number determining an arc.
 
Thinking about it now, I suspect that the trigonometric functions originated
as part of plane geometry, as the simple ratio of the opposite over the
hypotenuse.  The corresponding table of angles may simply have been
originally the result of observation (or perhaps some other calculation). 
I'd really like to know what the first use of the trigonometric functions
were, how they came to be, and so forth.  I'm about to read something
regarding the actual calculation of their values using analytical methods,
in particular (I think) their approximation through the use of polynomial
series.  Well, if you think of anything else let me know.

Message: 67730
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Question?
Subject: Bang!  (1 of 2)
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:07:38

(Actually "gun drivel", but Roger *might* be interested in science...)

What do the gun experts on here know about the risks of ammo exploding
spontaneously due to heat?

I'm interested in this because of the story told at the May Shootout GT
about a guy who was injured through loading his gun with some ammo that had
been left out in the sun.  An Army technical manual also warns against the
dangers of firing ammo that has reached a temperature of 135 degrees F. or
more.

At what temperature does ammo explode spontaneously?  I would expect this to
differ from one type to another, since the primer compound may be different.
I'm assuming here that the primer, being chemically more sensitive, would
probably explode at a lower temperature than the propellant.

If ammo becomes markedly unstable at temperatures above 135, then I might
expect to hear of ammo exploding spontaneously in cars left in the sun,
where the temperature can reach 160, 170, or more.  But I've never heard of
this happening.  Neither had a guy I asked at a gun store.  If it were a
risk, I would have expected to run across some mention of it in the many
safety precautions advised for gun handling.  If it's never happened,
presumably ammo has to be heated well above 200 degrees (at least) before it
will go off.

Message: 67731
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Question?
Subject: Bang!  (2 of 2)
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:08:55

The technical manual implies that cookoff in a hot chamber is not expected
to occur in less than ten seconds.  If cookoff is what happened to the guy
who had the accident, then it seems likely that he was chambering a round by
hand, otherwise the bolt probably wouldn't have been unlocked long enough
for the thing to go off in his face.

But the precise words of the manual about hot ammo (as opposed to a hot gun)
are that it "should not be fired while at these temperatures or dangerously
high chamber pressures may result".  I'm guessing what this means is that at
high temperatures, the propellant actually burns more rapidly -- which
wouldn't surprise me since most chemical reactions do proceed faster at
higher temperatures.  Then the pressure-time curve would be very steep; and
when the round was fired, pressure would rise in the chamber faster than the
bullet could get out of the way, so a burst gun would result.

Still, it does leave me with some questions.  Wouldn't the same risk of high
chamber pressure result from loading a round into a hot chamber, leaving it
there for a while, and then firing it?  Or from firing after leaving the gun
itself, loaded, out in the sun?  Also, it would imply that the pressure-time
curve would vary noticeably with temperature, so that one would expect quite
different performance from a gun in subzero temperatures than in hot
climates.  Does anyone have any comments?

Message: 67732
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: News Today
Subject: Ronnie Barlow
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:10:01

The bad news is that Ronnie Barlow didn't get a new trial.  The good news is
that he *did* get a bit of a break; a judge reduced the verdict to "guilty
of manslaughter".

So say both the Republic and the Gazette.  The Republic also mentioned that
"earlier this month, a group of demonstrators picketed the Maricopa County
Courthouse, claiming that Barlow, 22, who is black, was convicted wrongfully
in the shooting of a violence-prone and racist white man."

What the Republic did not see fit to mention, but the Gazette did, was that
the July 3 rally was sponsored by the Arizona Constitutional Rights
Committee -- a conservative organization that promotes the right to carry
guns.  So is the Republic backing up its columnist Montini by keeping silent
on this topic, allowing people to believe that gun owners are all racist?

Another comment in the Gazette (but not in the Republic) is that Barlow
"called the NAACP and told them what happened, that I didn't think I was
getting a fair trial...  The lady on the phone acted like I was lying.  She
was no help.  It would have been better calling the Klan asking for help."

So what's the politics of all this?  The NAACP's position is anti-racist,
but above all it's *liberal* (I hate the perversion of that word).  The
"liberal" anti-gun position seems to be more important than the individual
rights of human beings in more ways than one.

Message: 67733
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa/B-Day
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:30:10

Happy Birthday!
 
Come by the townhouse sometime to pick-up your "Purple Present."
 
 
(It's a PRINCE cassette, you sickies.)

Message: 67734
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/2 Lines Repeated
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:32:11

Merely an on-line editing error. I had word-wrap problems while uploading.
Rather than aborting, going offline, editing, re-saving, relogging and
uploading again, I decided to attempt editing while on the system. I thought
I caught everything. Sorry I missed that one.
 
Glad to know it is not a problem.
 
Daryl

Message: 67735
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Your Friend
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:34:21

   Has he approached the proper authorities conerning his personal run-in
with Rankins?
 
Daryl

Message: 67736
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Drs. & Milk
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:38:45

   Rod, you are letting a single doctor's viewpoint colour your entire
opinion on the doctoral profession. Some doctors will give you what-for if
you suggest bottle-feeding, others will try and discourage you from breast
feeding. Some encourage whichever one is most comfortable for the mother.
And you are going to find very few doctors that recommend feeding a baby
cow's milk. They are going to suggest Esbilac, Similar, SBA, or another
formula which is equal in nutrition to breast milk.

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Author: $ Daryl Westfall
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 1:You may think that replacement formulas are just as good for baby as Mothers
 2:Milk but didn't I already tell you about trying to fool Mother Nature?
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 4:Medical Science is still in the dark ages (where does that leave religion?) 
 5:and if you believe a doctor, any doctor, that tells you that the human 
 6:animal can come up with something that dupicates or surpasses Mother Nature 
 7:then you'd probably be the type of person who would believe outdated 
 8:litature.
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10:And where are you going to get a nipple that duplicates the humans, complete
11:with a heartbeat, the warmth and the ability to cure the mother's insides 
12:all at the same time?
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14:Doctors are responsible for a weakened race due to the fact that many spread
15:falsehoods on infant care.  Think about this.
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Message: 67737
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau Dog/Starr
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:39:40

   No, name it Jamie Starr.
 
   Ask Melissa about it.

Message: 67738
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Education
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:53:20

    Informing a shoplifter that their action forces price increases is not
going to affect their conscience one bit. Whether it is 20 cents or 7
dollars, stealing means not having to pay either amount. Shoplifting insures
against having to pay the price increases forced by the very act being
perpetrated.

    Price increases and the burden that is borne by the rest of t

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 1:What you say is not true.  I didn't stop shoplifting until I understood the 
 2:economics of it.  I thought it was a game of getting freebies and getting 
 3:away with something without realizing what economic damage I was doing.
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 5:And I am not a singular incident, to be sure.
 6:
 7:At one time I believed that 'insurance' would take care of the losses and 
 8:that's how stupid I was.  The insurance companies just raise their rates 
 9:which causes wholesale rates to rise.
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11:Rethink your positiion.  The threat of jail does not stop crime, just look 
12:around.  People must be made to understand what crime causes on an emotional
13:and economic level.  
14:
15:In some cases jail gives the criminal better living conditions than their 
16:own home, especially if they are homosexual but that
17:is another subject.
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Message: 67738
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Education
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:53:20

    Informing a shoplifter that their action forces price increases is not
going to affect their conscience one bit. Whether it is 20 cents or 7
dollars, stealing means not having to pay either amount. Shoplifting insures
against having to pay the price increases forced by the very act being
perpetrated.

    Price increases and the burden that is borne by the rest of the
community aren't going to change a shoplifter. Most steal because they can't
afford the prices as they are, or they just don't want to.
 
    The reality that jail faces a shoplifter once caught, is the only
effective means of curtailing shoplifting. Thieves don't care about society;
if they DID, they wouldn't be thieves. They are concerned about things that
affect them DIRECTLY, like their personal welfare. Some don't even care
about that.

Message: 67739
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Question?
Subject: Melissa
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 23:07:00

  What town do they shoot Twin Peaks in?
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 67740
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Cars
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 23:09:16

  We didn't keep track of individual models. One thing I notice is that
there seem to be more dead Cadillacs than any other luxury car.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 67741
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon
Date: 07/21/90  Time: 23:23:21

  I suspect that problems with cook-off often involve quick-firing,
magazine-fed guns more than any other. As the gun is firing and adding more
heat to the magazine, a round may reach detonation temperature before it
gets into the chamber. This would be a very dangerous explosion, and may
cause a chain reaction with other rounds in the magazine. A round that cooks
off in the chamber would cause an unexpected firing of the gun, but would
probably not cause it to explode in the shooters hands. I can't give you any
temperature figures, but would be interested if you find out.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 67742
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: books
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:27:15

Today I received the Book of the Month Club edition of the Compact OED. 
This is identical to the full twelve volume (plus supplement) OED, but is
microprinted in two volumes.  The publisher's price for this compact version
is $270.00, but BOMC sells it for $32.95 plus s&h (about ten bucks ).  It
looks just like the publisher's edition, and the slipcase even has the same
drawer built into its top (included is a magnifying glass).  I have no
problem reading the print with unaided eyes, but the glass makes for faster
reading and less fatigue.  
This is the quintessential lexicon, and contains many words you won't find
elsewhere, including some definitions which you won't find elsewhere for
words you *will* find elsewhere.  An example is the word "valetudinarian",
which I heard the other night watching The Sign of Four (Sherlock Holmes) on
Mystery (PBS).  I could not find this word, either in Webster's Unabridged
New Twentieth Century, or in Webster's Third New International, a three
volume tome of considerable girth, itself.  The word, for those who are now
curious, refers to someone of weak health, especially someone who is
constantly concerned over his health.
As another example, I looked up the word "merkin".  The former of the two
other dictionaries did not list it, the latter only listed one definition (a
cannon rag).  The OED had a number of definitions, of which the most
interesting was, paraphrasing, a wig for the female pudendum.  I did not
even know such things ever existed.
The dictionary is big on etymological history, and also gives many examples
of various usages.  (CONT)

Message: 67743
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: CONT. (last)
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:35:46

One of the faults of the dictionary is its very obsolescence.  Well, perhaps
that is an unfair criticism.  The dictionary was published originally in
1933, and the supplement came later.  Now, most English words originated
long before that time, but even since the supplement, quite a number of new
words have been coined, particularly new technical words.  I would not rely
on this dictionary solely, but it is a valuable tool.
I ordered it as part of a membership plan.  I agreed to buy four more books
in the next two years.  That's it.
If you are interested, you can call BOMC at 1-800-233-1066.  The stock
number is 905.  I'm sure they will let you join by phone, and you receive
books with a bill, so that you need not pay up front.
 
Incidentally, just in case there is still any doubt, in the entry for
"between", Murray states quite unequivocally that "In all senses [of
meaning], *between* has been, from its earliest appearance, extended to more
than two."
 

Message: 67744
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Next week
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 04:15:49

I should be able to attend.  I may come directly from Flagstaff on Saturday
afternoon to the GT.  Cliff, you can pencil my name in a bit darker, now. 
My plans are falling in place the way I want them.
 
-Pat

Message: 67745
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Hard/Software
Subject: I'm looking for ....
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 04:20:59

.... some programs for my younger brother, who just got himself a PC laptop
(640K, 2 3.5" drives).  Since I do not have a PC at home, or one at work
with 3.5" drives, I am trying to find a word processor (not too simple, not
too complex), terminal program, some games, etc.  He does not have access to
a phone to get them himself, because the US Army has decided that soldiers
in Arabic language school don't deserve a phone, but maybe deserve a 1-way
plane ticket to Cairo, Tel Aviv, or Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) in 18 months.  If
there is a way for me to get these programs, please drop me a note in
private mail and I will get back with you.  I have some blank 3.5" disks
here for programs.  
 
-Pat

Message: 67746
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff/gt
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 06:06:20

 Are you going to publish your address prior to the GT? I've never been
there, and I'm probably not the only one. (Cliff, dear?)

Message: 67747
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Jamie Starr
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 08:15:02

No, I wouldn't want to give that legecy to any new born girl.
The name previously mentioned is a nice one.

Message: 67748
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 10:56:57

Re:  "Ever smell the raw stench of caked urine?"

Good grief man, what kind of "cake" are you planning to eat?

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

Message: 67749
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: Carter/30
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:47:59

Time to join the old farts sig.

Message: 67750
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: gun drivel
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:53:34

I just heard of this type of incident (spontaneous ammo explosion
)  --- can't remember the details. I always ignore anything to do with
ammo.

Message: 67751
Author: Mike Eppers
Category: Question?
Subject: $tatus
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:53:29

I do not understand hoe I gain $tatus on this board please inform. If you
would like my voice number is 602-931-6168: Thank You Mike Eppers

Message: 67752
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Doggie
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:21:44

I really don't know what GM's market share is but we have to include the
Cadallic, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Corvette and Chevrolet.

Maybe I have the figures in a reference book hereabouts.

Message: 67753
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/GM
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:26:23

Good point.  Happy B-Day to you.

Message: 67754
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:31:20

You may think that replacement formulas are just as good for baby as Mothers
Milk but didn't I already tell you about trying to fool Mother Nature?

Medical Science is still in the dark ages (where does that leave religion?)
and if you believe a doctor, any doctor, that tells you that the human
animal can come up with something that dupicates or surpasses Mother Nature
then you'd probably be the type of person who would believe outdated
litature.

And where are you going to get a nipple that duplicates the humans, complete
with a heartbeat, the warmth and the ability to cure the mother's insides
all at the same time?

Doctors are responsible for a weakened race due to the fact that many spread
falsehoods on infant care.  Think about this.

Rod

Message: 67755
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl/shoplifter
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:37:36

What you say is not true.  I didn't stop shoplifting until I understood the
economics of it.  I thought it was a game of getting freebies and getting
away with something without realizing what economic damage I was doing.

And I am not a singular incident, to be sure.

At one time I believed that 'insurance' would take care of the losses and
that's how stupid I was.  The insurance companies just raise their rates
which causes wholesale rates to rise.

Rethink your positiion.  The threat of jail does not stop crime, just look
around.  People must be made to understand what crime causes on an emotional
and economic level.  

In some cases jail gives the criminal better living conditions than their
own home, especially if they are homosexual but that
is another subject.


Message: 67757
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ammo cook off
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 22:55:38

I have seen this happen ONCE, it happened in basic training while I was in
the army. We went on our night infiltration course, and they have 2 M60
machine guns firing over our head ( 30 feet and tracers ). These weapons are
fired almost continuesly, and the ammo used burns a little hotter then
normal( due to phosphorous in the tracers ). Well anywats this NCO (non
commissioned officer) that was firing one of those M60's decided it was time
for a break, and let the weapon rest, barrel down ( weapon was on a tripod )
to let it cool off. This NCO forgot to clear the chamber, and a round was
still in it. The weapon was so hot that a few seconds( I don't know exactly
how long) after he laied it down, the round exploded, and blew the M60 into
pieces. This guy was at this time still standing behind the M60, and he was
saturated with the resulting scrapnel. He was to say the least severly
injured. Now what happened, the bullet went downrange, and (yes this was a
freak accident) hit somebody, completly going through this guy's body. The
endresult, 1 NCO dead and 1 trainee severly injured. Let me tell you all, I
will never in my life forget to clear a weapon after firing it, because I
got to see first hand what can happen( and as hardcore as I might seem, it
was a grusome sight).  So deffinetly I say dont leave ammo in your weapon's
chamber after you fire it, unless you are in combat, and then it still might
be detremental to your health.
The Mad Max

Message: 67758
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ammo Cook-off
Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:29:12

Gordon:
        I'm the guy who told you about the injury resulting from
the heated ammo incident at the Phoenix Rifle club. It was no story.
A lot of folks think that guns are completely safe if they're handled
correctly. Well, this is true when you use the weapon with ammunition
it was intended to use and if everything is in good condition.
Remember that you are handling a controlled explosion. The latter may
seem somewhat oxymoron-ish (if there is a term), but that's exactly
what's happening. 
Far far too many gun owners are oblivious to the dangers of HOT
ammo. Here in Arizona it is vitally important that you realize what
ammunition can do if its left out in the sun long enough and then
placed in a hot weapon. There's some chemistry happening when you
do this. 
I noticed a student next to me at the U.S.M.A. was leaving his ammo
in the sun while we were on line. I think perhaps people forget what
ammunition is made out of.
 
Yes, ammo will and does explode spontaneously inside automobiles in
the sun. I have never heared of it happening when the ammo is
kept in the shaded part of a parked car, certainly though when the
ammo is accidentally or carelessly left say on the dash where it lodges
itself between the windshield and vinyl. Result ; Heat + 3 Hours + Ammo =
BLAM! + Car fire.          Use your head folks.             -Mike

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