ost Office, and I will give you directions. Or, call me at 843-3346...... *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif- P.S. I think it is Ann who is jumping out of the cake! Message: 67401 Author: $ Bob Thornburg Category: Chit Chat Subject: Cliff Date: 07/11/90 Time: 11:44:15 Thanks Cliff! I got the Japan download. It only took a little over 16 minutes at 2400 baud. Message: 67402 Author: $ Roger Mann Category: Chit Chat Subject: Burkett/joke Date: 07/11/90 Time: 13:12:25 That's the funniest thing I've seen on Apollo in a loooong time. Keep up the good work, Bill. Message: 67403 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Chit Chat Subject: Cliff / Japan Book Date: 07/11/90 Time: 13:55:57 Even ARCing it would be fine. Thanks in advance. Daryl Message: 67404 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Chit Chat Subject: Rod / Your Last Two Date: 07/11/90 Time: 14:19:51 I liken your last post (as well as most of your posts including your zapped diatribe) to a sadist who, rather than beating up on the person in whom his hatred lies [Person A], decides instead to tie up that person's best friend [Person B], and stab HIM in the gut while watching Person A's horrified reaction with a sick glee. However, your thrashing of the 'Person B' in my life is only words. Petty, vengeful, hateful, arrogant words. And you said it yourself that you could not wait to see the expressions on the faces of us "hillbillies." You know, if our messages REALLY bothered you, you would have the good sense to [S]kip over them without so much as a second thought. But you know they don't bother you. You love them. You love every single opportunity you can get your hands on, to slice and dice Christians with your heartless rants. But either our opinions actually DO mean something to you, or you are just so insecure that you have to read our posts just so you can mock them and in doing so reassure in your unstable mind that God doesn't exist. If you were so sure of it, you would just laugh it off, without wasting any time on replying. Which one is it, Roddie-kins? And make no mistake. You were the one that fired up the verbal chainsaw. If you are so interested in living your own life, then laugh us off. You needn't have to pump yourself up by making sure you cut everyone else down first. Daryl Message: 67405 Author: $ Melissa Dee Category: Get-Togethers (GTs) Subject: Ann takes the cake Date: 07/11/90 Time: 16:45:40 Ahhhh. And I even bought a new teddy just for the occation. Well, I guess since she baked it, she gets first dibs on jumping out of it. Message: 67406 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: My Dinner with... Subject: Rod Williams Date: 07/11/90 Time: 17:55:30 The following are posts that were recently posted here on Apollo by Rod. I repost them, for the benefit of those who didn't get a chance to peruse this "volume of understanding" by Apollo's expert on brotherly love. I have included verse numbers before each sentence, as my replies to his posts cross-reference these numbered sentences in Rod's post. You are about to read more than was initally posted. Rod wrote the additional material in mail to me, although there is nothing in the posts that I deemed to be private. If you are easily offended by blasphemy, I pre-warn you about part 5. Rod claims to have zapped his original messages so as not to offend. But, this etc. to his inital posts is far more offensive than his original posts. All profanity has been edited. Message: 67407 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: Rod - The Lost Posts Date: 07/11/90 Time: 17:56:29 1)You gotta be kidding. What is it about a Jesus that you don't understand? 2)If there was such a person then why worship or spend time on the dead? 3)The man next to you is a brother, an animal that is equal to every other animal in the universe. 4)I don't get it, you thrust a myth of death over having fun and enjoying your Brother. 5)You are so busy living in the past but it is possible to snap out of it. 6)I did. 7)It is a crutch of the temporary scared but your freedoms end where my nose begins. 8)If you think that YOU are made in your gods image then what does your god look like, You or Me? 9)Wake up and smell the caffeine or beef fat? 10)I love you as a brother and openly admit that. 11) You, Daryl Westfall, have a savior in a fairly interesting myth/story but I am not a myth. 12)I am real and so are you. 13)Wanna go out and glue some sticks together? We can make them in the form Message: 67408 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: The Lost Posts [2/5] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 17:59:02 of crosses and use them to scare the Vampires away. Good idea, by Jove! 14)It is people caring about people without having the dead, which we probably are a part of, taking up some premimum time that we could be spending with people, planting the corn or something to that tune. Bob (C1, v.1-56) 15)And he saith to him, out of the desert land, that Jerimian Johnson our holy JJ, protector of protectors. Bob continues, he speaketh bull crap out of his jaw, about Jerimiah Johnson and Son. 16)Well Daryl, you see that above paragraph is what, in essense, your old dead book says. 17)Get a new book, one by Mark Twain and they were written a hundred years ago. 18)Why are you so freaked out? 19)Don't be afraid to admit it....I've sure been there a few times. 20)I looked for myself and have traveled a lot of paths and I am still on one but what you are serving is death and hell because hell is an integral part of your religion. 21)I don't have a hell in my outlook either for myself or anyone else, nay, not a thing shall burn into pain forever and ever sayath the bob and the anti-bob. 22)So, get a life, my friend and make that life, life, got it?!!! 23) This ain't g'by now, cause I am your brother, but ain't your ma. Message: 67409 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: The Lost Posts [3/5] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:04:58 23)So, you see, Daryl, I let go one night, got too loose and out of consideration to all I zapped the previous messages. 24)When you do find the truth it will not include some deep dark mystery that reads like a scary sci-fi story. 25)It will not include death and hell for anything but instead love divine. 26)Yeah, yeah, I know, people put themselves in eternal hell....sure..sure. 27)It will not include any type of gnashing of teeth or hurt that lingers instead it will be equality of the masses. 28)It will be people helping people and that to me is heaven. 29)It will not be "the chosen few" but the chosen many with not a feeling life-form taking blame or misery on account of "it says so." 30)You have allowed yourself to be tricked into accepting this crutch and that is fine as long as, later on, you learn just what it was. 31)Life can be good but the religions of the world keep mans hearts and souls divided as can be. 32)All ideology is false except that which says that all are equal, are on the same small ship sailing through space and what one suffers, all 33)We've got to help each other and the best, most compatent method is the scientific approach, not the religious one. 34) Scientific minded people the world over have everything in common but those with religious Message: 67410 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: The Lost Posts [4/5] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:11:00 hard-ons have only disdain for each other because their narrow belief system stands in the way, clouds their minds with pretension and falsehood from ages past. 35)Science is that of learning new and different things. Reli- gion the same old tired way that bears no fruit other than corruption. 36)Scientists the world over can and do work together for common causes whi- involve helping a troubled planet. 37)People of religion are on too many ch separate wavelengths to be able to develop anything of worth.38)People of religion pray, light candles, or spin wheels to invoke a solution and have been doing it from ages past all to to avail. 39)It doesn't work and never did but I suppose it satisfies the masses and keeps them out of mischief. 40)All you can do is quote from some old book that is never updated. 41)How would the human animal know if Satan changed his mind and came back into the fold? 42)It's probably the most ridiculous book ever written and has, no doubt, held the human animal back in his evolving to a more intelligent state. 43)I'm sure that because of it many a life has been ended unjustly. 44)Many early scientists were brutally tortured for being heretic and today it is not that much different. 45)Religion has always held truth back but litt is not that much different. 45)Religion has always held truth back but little by little people are beginning to awake and see the real light, not the darkness of hell and threat of punishment. Message: 67411 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: The Lost Posts [5/5] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:13:20 46)It appears that religion has got you firmly by the gonads and is extrac- ting a price that will later in life become evident, perhaps. 47)Trade your crutches in on the one I have found. I went through the religion bullcrap and am very glad to be rid of it. 48)My crutch is scientific thought. 49)If your god can put me in his hell then so be it. 50)But if that little bastard thinks he can play fairy tale games with a certain percentage of his creation then I publicly spit in his face. I smear it with feces and look him straight in the eye, eyeball to eyeball and simply say: 51)Go f--- yourself God, you are s---. You are the worst kind of disease of earth. You are poison. You are evil. You are a mealy-mouthed mother f----- and you suck big, moldy dog c----. So do with me what you will if you think you are MAN enough because I happen to think of you as simply a blowing fart in the wind. 52)Well Daryl, that last part is about as un-scientific as one can get and I apollogize to you if I have offended. 53)I'm just making a point. 53)Love, Rod Message: 67412 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [1/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:14:07 1) Excuse me, but what is it about Jesus that you UNDERSTAND? Obviously not much. 2) Excuse me...DEAD? Your ignorance of Christian beliefs is already shining, Rod. 3) In other words, we are no more or less intelligent or important than a sewer rat or a cockroach. Gee, what blissful knowledge. 4) Gee, you mean I'm not having fun in my life? And what's this death stuff you keep talking about? My Lord is alive, homeboy. And what exactly do you mean by ENJOYING my Brother? Shall you consult the book of bob on that one? 5) Living in the past? Which one of us keeps looking for "monkey's uncles?" 6) "Snapped" is right. Out of what, I have no idea. 7) The temporary scared, huh? Well, then what about those who died for Christ? If they were truly scared of anything, why would they even bother? I don't have a spirit of fear. (Ro 8.15 - "Oh, no...he's quoting from that OLD BOOK again, AUGH!" Yep. Deal with it.) And who said I was infringing on your rights? Just because I might share a little truth with you doesn't mean that it has to affect your life of denial. That is unless you let it, sweetie.) Message: 67413 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [2/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:14:49 8) Your ignorance is showing again, Rod. Didn't you ever STUDY Genesis, and what being made "in God's image" means? Oops...gee. There I go. Expecting too much again. Sorry. 9) Tired cliche. Unimportant. 10) I doubt that seriously. 11) Purely opinion. 12) Rather OBVIOUS, but agreed. 13) Purposeless attempted insult, laced with more ignorance. Unimportant. 14) Wait, you said we are probably part of "the dead," and at the same time you say we should not care about the dead. How many drinks DID you have that night? 15) Purposeless attempted insult, highly opinionated, and ignorant of the subject matter it attempts to make fun of. Unimportant. Message: 67414 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [3/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:16:53 16) Uninformed opinion, lacking knowledge of the subject. 17) Is there a connection here somewhere? I'm missing it. 18) I'm not freaked. Why are you? See, I'm not the one so intent on offend- ing as many people as possible in my continued efforts to convince myself God doesn't exist. And why were you drinking when you wrote those messages? You confessed yourself that you had too much to rink when you typed them. What is missing in your life that you have to fill it with liquor? 19) And I'm not entirely sure you've gotten back from wherever it is that you've been. But this is opinion and unimportant. 20) I've found myself. I'm not looking anymore. Why are you so upset that I have found the Path and am content? And what do you mean by "serving" death and hell? By sharing the news of eternal life, I am serving death? "Highly illogical, Captain." 21) Gee, how nice. On what do you base this "Bliss by Bob?" 22) See reply #20. I hate repeating myself. 23) Message ending. Does not require comment. Message: 67415 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [4/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:17:30 23) Gee, Rod. Where was your consideration when you posted these messages in the first place? Alcohol impairs judgment, you know. 24) "Scary sci-fi story?" Golly, are you sure we are reading the same book? Perhaps you have yours turned upside down. 25) Deceptive opinion. Tra-la-laaa... 26) Gee, you finally got something about the Bible RIGHT. As the people in Mobile, Arizona say, "I'm stunned." 27) Wishful thinking. Personal opinion. 28) Vague. 29) Opinion. 30) More opinion. 31) Oh, and these posts of yours are indicative of the love and unity so earnestly desired by the atheistic community? Wow. Sign me up right away. 32) Opinion incorrectly stated as fact. Message: 67416 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [5/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:18:00 33) See #32. 34) Then why don't scientists agree on everything? 35) I have no problem with science, except when they insist upon presenting opinions as factual. 36) Have you ever seen a group of scientists band together and go out to feed the hungry or visit the sick and lonely? These things are important for our world, too. 37) Opinion. 38) I think you meant "no avail." 39) Atheistic opinion. 40) It doesn't need to be updated. It speaks now just as powerfully as it did in the first and second centuries. You just refuse to listen. 41) He didn't and he can't (2Pe 2.4). Message: 67417 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [6/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:18:44 42) See #11. Didn't you call it a "fairly interesting myth/story?" Why do you refuse to be consistent? It helps one's credibility, you know. 43- 44) Most Christians have no qualms with scientists, and many take advantage of the benefits of science. We disagree insomuch in the theory of the origin of the world. You don't like Christianity being 'forced down your throat?' We don't like evolution being taught in our schools as fact. 45) Purely opinion. You need to stop this, it can become habitual. 46) A happy and fulfilling life, perhaps. 47) You replaced "religion bullcrap" for science-worship. 48) And you called it a crutch, as well. I'm glad that my life isn't concerned with seeking out the "crutch-of-the-month-club." Message: 67418 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Religion Subject: My Replies [7/7] Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:21:26 49- 51) Immature, venomous tirade. Someone who is so sure of himself as you claim to be, wouldn't waste his time on such childish tantrums with God. You have just proven who it is that needs to grow up, learn about love, and get a life. 52) I do not accept insincere apologies. You MEANT to offend, and you know it. It's one of those things that you seem to live for. 53) Learn what the word means. There. No one can say I dodged any single issue in that message. Message: 67419 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Joke Subject: Mike C./Brit. slang Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:31:11 "Both by calling and conviction Father Brown knew better than most of us that every man is dignified when he is dead. But even he felt a pang of incongruity when he was knocked up at daybreak and told that Sir Aaron Armstrong had been murdered." Yes, that's pretty incongruous alright. Message: 67420 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Chit Chat Subject: extinction Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:42:39 There were once more passsenger pigeons than any other type of bird on the planet. Two out of every five birds (40%) in North America in the early 1800s were passenger pigeons. In 1813 ornithologist James Audibon saw a column of migrating pigeons so thick that "the light of the noonday sun was obscured as by an eclipse." They flew overhead for hours, and Audubon guessed that he had seen at least a billion birds. Professional hunters used large nets. To get the birds into the net they used a "stool pigeon", which was a live pigeon with its eyes sewed shut and its feet attached to a post, or stool. The agitated bird would attract other birds. The last great flock was captured in 1896 near Bowling Green, Ohio. About five thousand birds escaped. These, however, died out. Female passenger pigeons lay only one egg at a time. Deforestation destroyed their habitat. And they required "the incessant, thunderous backbeat of a million flapping wings" in order to get them in the mood for reproducing. The last (known) passenger pigeon died at the Cincinnati Zoo in 1914. (From "Why Things Are", a syndicated column.) Message: 67421 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Answer! Subject: AIDS Date: 07/11/90 Time: 18:47:11 Anal sex and dirty needles aren't the only ways for heterosexuals to get the disease. Ordinary sexual intercourse can spread it. Females are especially at risk because vaginal tears (created during intercourse) can provide access for the virus. Of course, anal intercourse is worse still, since the rectal wall is far more susceptible to tearing than is the vagina. Message: 67422 Author: $ Mike Carter Category: Chit Chat Subject: Daryl on Rod Date: 07/11/90 Time: 20:20:07 1-99) Yes. Message: 67423 Author: $ Mike Carter Category: Chit Chat Subject: Jeff B. Date: 07/11/90 Time: 20:33:28 It is incongruent to assume that complex processes don't require thought. Aside, momentarily, from evolution, one doesn't design an orbital vehicle by osmosis. Nor can we expect to comprehend a failure within that system by ignoring it. Onto evolution: You know why its still called a theory? Because no one has been able to *** PROVE *** it. Fanciful dabbling about all the "facts" doesn't prove something. Even hardline anthropologists will acknowledge there is not yet any sum of facts that could be accurately summed into proof. So lets not confuse "fact" with "fancy". Here we ask scientifically, what the overwhelmming physical forces applied to matter actually do to that matter. Not one scientist can face you and tell you that a room full of dust particles will settle and form something more complex, like a sandcastle perhaps. Random bits, scattering of molecules does not maketh a universe. Place a sandcastle out somewhere in the wilderness, come back a few years later and the place you left it would have completely changed. There is a complex pattern that effects entropy and sometimes intervenes in the action of entropy. It's called life. And not *one* living soul on Earth can explain how it all works in scientific terms. So please, if you insist on insulting me for my beliefs, kindly accept mine for yours; Your brain-dead if you believe in some alzheimers infested campus roach who goes around feeding on taxes to babble about *your* Monekys Uncle. Message: 67424 Author: $ John Cummings Category: Answer! Subject: Rod/religion Date: 07/11/90 Time: 20:39:17 That's what I'm trying to do--answer your question--remember? you brought this up. On to step 3, but later. --John C.-- Public & Free Bulletin Board command:EC You chose Chit Chat Subject:Daryl 1 of 78 Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop 1:Gee, that's was swell. Can we do it again? 2: 3:Look, Jasmine just had our baby, a girl of 7 pds., 11oz. We are thinking of 4:naming her Satana? It is sort of in your honor. 5: 6:I didn't read all that stuff back there but I will. -Rod 7: 8:P.S. The baby girl was born 16 feet from where I now sit. 9:The children watched. 10:I helped. 11:end Edit command:S Saving message... The message is 67425 Public & Free Bulletin Board command:R67425 Message: 67425 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Chit Chat Subject: Daryl 1 of 78 Date: 07/11/90 Time: 21:54:44 Gee, that's was swell. Can we do it again? Look, Jasmine just had our baby, a girl of 7 pds., 11oz. We are thinking of naming her Satana? It is sort of in your honor. I didn't read all that stuff back there but I will. -Rod P.S. The baby girl was born 16 feet from where I now sit. The children watched. I helped. Public & Free Bulletin Board command: