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Apollo BBS Archive - July 10, 1990

Mail from Jeff Beck
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 04:18:58

[A]bort, [N]ew only, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

Well, I dunno...it's like taking candy from a baby.  What did you have in
mind?
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:I guess just do more of what we are doing.
 2:
 3:Quote for today:  "We learn from our mistakes" -God
 4:

X-Rated Cosmos Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 3993
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question ?
Subject: Carter
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 05:04:09

What does that mean?  Are you saying you have been a cow?  Are you saying
that it is natural for creatures whose instinct is to wander and graze to be
pent up and slaughtered by wicked men using infernal devices?  Do *you* know
the last walk into the abbatoir?

Message: 3994
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: $#!+
Subject: last two
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 15:21:37

No, a little calf whispered it in my ear.
 
;-)

Message: 3995
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Indoor Golf
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 17:22:22

                              13 Rules of Indoor Golf

 1.       Each player will furnish his own equipment for play - normally
          one club and two balls.

 2.       Course to be played must be approved by owner of hole.

 3.       Unlike outdoor golf, the object is to get the club in the hole
          and keep the balls out of the hole.

 4.       For the most effective play, the club should have a stiff shaft.
          Course owners are permitted to check the stiffness of the shaft
          before play begins.

 5.       Course owner has right to restrict the length of club to avoid
          damage to the hole.

6.       Players must take as many strokes as required to satisfy the
         course owner.  Failure to do so may cause player to be barred from
         the course.

7.       It is considered bad form to begin playing the hole immediately
         upon arriving at the course.  It is customary to admire the entire
         course, paying special attention to the well formed bunkers and
         well manicured bushes.

 8.       Players are cautioned not to mention other courses they may have
          played to the course owner.  Course owners have been known to
          damage players equipment for this reason.

 9.       Special permission may be required in order to play more than one
          hole on the same course.

10.       Players should be sure match is properly scheduled, especially
          when playing new course for the first time.  Previous players
          may take exception to someone else playing what they think is
          their private hole.

11.       Some course owners may put hole out of bounds on certain days of
          the month.  Owners may refuse play at any time, for any reason.

12.       It is considered outstanding performance to play the same hole
          several times in one match.

13.       Course owners shall be the judge as to who is the best player.
          It is considered bad form for a player to reveal his score to
          other players.  Players who have contracted for exclusive rights
          to play a private course are advised against informing the
          course owner of play on other courses.  Such revelation may
          result in cancelled contract and suit for damages.

Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 67336
Author: Will Surstain
Category: News Today
Subject: chemicals
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 02:48:58

 I have one for you bbs people. Since 1985 we have had
people coming down with what has been called the "yuppie plague".
The symptoms will be listed along with what in 1986 was called
the "bafflings ills that hit `silicon valley' workers"

part 1

Message: 67337
Author: Will Surstain
Category: News Today
Subject: chemicals
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 02:50:14

yuppie plague                            baffling ills
-------------------------------------    -----------------------------
tiredness                                fatigue
fever & sore throat                      chronic colds and flus
                                         nausea
                                         skin disease
                                         susceptibility to disease
temporary memory loss                    memory loss
confusion                                impaired concentrating
                                         chronic headaches
                                         dizziness
                                         fainting
lethargy : a condition of drowsiness
           or indifference
depression : a psychiatric syndrome     irritability
             consisting of dejected      sudden violent mood swings
             mood, psychomotor           psychotic reactions
             retardation, insomnia,
             and weight loss, sometimes
             associated with guilt
             feelings and somatic
             preoccupations, often of
             delusional proportions.

                                 &
       The two articles are "Baffling ills hit `Silicon Valley'
       workers" Arizona Republic Sunday Dec. 14, 1986 and "Depression
       may cause fatigue illness, study says" Arizona Republic July 5,
       1990.
                                 &
       There was a news story of a woman that complained about the
       pollution that plants were venting and dumping into the
       environment. She tried to warn the people. She moved after her
       children started having headaches and breathing problems.
                               &
       This unallowable thought. The next time you start getting ill
       look around and see who wants your job or who you got mad at
       you.
                                &
       because today its a bitter world thru chemistry.
                                &
       This is just an opinion.  I have no medical background.
 
part 3

Message: 67339
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cummings
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 04:22:26

There you go again, jumping to conclusions.
 
I like some of Chesterton's work; I didn't know Chesterton.
I haven't read much Hemingway.  What little I have read makes me think that
he was a very insecure man with little or no redeeming moral qualities.  I
also dislike his writing -- both the content and the style.
I suppose that you'll next ask me if I like Melville?

Message: 67340
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cummings
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 04:24:23

This is a public board.  If you wish private discourse I suggest the Post
Office: even the SysOp can't read that; it's "greeked".
Nowhere in message #67301 did I paraphrase you or attack a straw man.  You
ask me to respond to what you say; I cannot respond to your intent, but I
can respond to your words.  I challenge you to prove I did otherwise.
 
Back to the issues, development is not necessarily manifest by a change from
simple to complex.  Our current system of civil and criminal law is
exponentially more complex than it was in its origin or infancy; to refer to
this change as "development" is moot.
As I pointed out, the universe is heading for entropy.
The energy available for useful work has decreased throughout its life.  In
the end, it will be as static and "simple" as a corpse; more so, in fact,
because even in a corpse putrescence occurs, and that is a sign of life.  
If then, we must impose anthropomorphic similes upon nature, we can only
liken its decay to the aging of a man; and the universe is decidedly
moribund.

Message: 67341
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod on Mike
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 04:59:48

Yes, he comprehends.  But man is not characteristically a rational animal,
despite John Cummings' incessant boasts.  Mike sees, Mike comprehends, but
Mike doesn't care; he is not motivated by ignorance or reason; he *feels*
the sting of our messages as though by some poisonous insect, and his reflex
response is to swat.

Message: 67342
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Hospitals...
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 07:36:48

...filled with people with all sorts of serious problems.
 
   Have you ever taken a day and just gone in and talked with patients in a
hospital? It can be a very moving and richly rewarding experience. Too many
people forget someone once they become terribly ill. Friends and family
don't want to deal with them anymore. To have someone come in and talk with
them and find out what is on their mind, and just to see someone other than
the doctors and nurses and interns and the stupid TV...can make their day.
   Some of these people just need a reason to live. Someone who considers
them important enough to spend some time on them. Sometimes you don't even
have to say much - they'll do most of the talking. It's amazing how much
conversation can get bottled up inside a person, just waiting for an outlet.
 
Daryl

Message: 67343
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / Mocking
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 07:42:26

   I could go back to each of your re:Christian posts, and find at least 1
mocking comment. I think you are just so used to doing that that you don't
realize it. Only when you really focus your Christian hatred in a wall of
focused venom, do you consciously remember it.
 
Daryl
 

Message: 67344
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod / See Us Get Btr
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 07:45:10

   Well, you will find that all Christians realize that they have a
"sickness," of which there is only one solution.
 
   However, there are also the spiritually sick out there that will
continually deny that they have a problem.
 
   It goes both ways.
 
   We pray for a speedy recovery for ya, Rod.
 
Daryl

Message: 67345
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Japan That Says No
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 07:47:14

Is there someone with an IBM that could unpack that file for me and send it
to me, either as an .ARChive or file-by-file using Ymodem-g? I would really
like to read that, if that is what I think it is.
 
Daryl

Message: 67346
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 07:59:55

"If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
 
                                                  - PT Barnum

Message: 67347
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: John/Evolution
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 08:08:17

Probably not. Species tend to last only a few million years. BTW, an
interesting side-discussion could be had about conservationists trying to
save endagered species. Does it help or hinder nature. If mankind provides
selection pressures such that species become extinct, should mankind try to
save these species or should it allow them to disappear ?

Message: 67348
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bobby on Andy
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 09:09:35

Yeah - I think Andy was a perfect example. They treated him terriable
considering this is supposed to be a country when you have the right to
state your opinions. That cartoon was another one. 
 
It seems the gays do not/will not take any responsibility - they seem to
want the doctors to cure it so they can continue - nor do they want any
criticism for their actions least they label you! -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67349
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bobby on taxes
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 09:12:17

I cannot believe you believe in 'sin taxes'!!! Naw! Actually, we pay less
taxes on those than most of the rest of the world. My gripe was - he speaks
out of the side of his mouth (Bush! Bush who?) -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67350
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: John on Homos
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 09:16:03

Can you quote some statistics on women lesbians having AIDS? They can't be
--- uh ---- rump humpers - ahem! You know what I mean. (Blush) All that I've
read on the statistics - they just used the word 'gays' but didn't define
male and or female. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67351
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Bobby & John
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 09:21:35

But isn't the definition of a prostitute as one that sells 'it' and the
definition of a whore is one that will give it away - to anybody that asks?
Just curious. Chippie - one who will give it to a lot - loose woman - one
that will give it to some - Nempho - one that will give it to a gear stick
shift if a guy ain't around or to one at a time - like ten in a row????
                         *Heh -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. Is this post a 'trip to the Zone' Cliffy? (Cringe!) I tried to use
decorum in wordage.

Message: 67352
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bobby on suing
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 09:32:17

Boyee - did you hit the nail on the head with that post Bobby. I too read
that article and wondered why they figured the doctor was at fault! Yeah -
just soak the rich - forget that when you do, this causes medical in general
to go higher and higher! Ditto insurance. Forget it does destroy lives,
careers that some doctor has worked years for. Lets soak um? Why not?What
have they done to deserve all that money anyway? Ditto the lawyers! Heck,
lets make them rich too! Bah Humbug! -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67353
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Public Board
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 10:19:27

Gee, I'm so glad it's staying squeaky clean.

Message: 67354
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rumphumpers etc.
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 10:43:32

I never had a problem with the idea of homosexuality in the abstract.  It's
funny, there are so many problems caused by people's refusal to see things
from somebody else's point of view: an inability to put themselves in one
another's situations.  And yet with gay guys it seems to be the opposite: in
one respect at least, people put themselves in the gay guy's situation too
much.  "Oh, YUCK!  Just think!  Can you IMAGINE doing that?  EUUURRRGGGHHH!"
Perhaps if that nauseating reaction didn't take place, people wouldn't have
such a horror of homosexuality -- in men, at least.  And isn't it
significant that gay men on the whole seem to arouse more antagonism than
gay women?

Well, it doesn't appeal to me either.  But apparently it does appeal to
around 10% of men.  My father (who wasn't talking about homosexuality at the
time) used to say "As the old lady said when she kissed the cow: 'It's a
matter of taste.'"  I don't like beets much either.  Never have, for some
reason.  But I don't abuse people who offer them to me.  My wife likes them.
It really is a matter of taste.  Come to think of it, she's a lot more
turned on by men than I am, as well.

Ah, now that's the way to think about it.  Suppose I were a woman.  I mean,
suppose I were born with a woman's body, but this male brain.  And I kept
saying to myself "Boy, am I turned on by all these beautiful women around
me.  Trouble is, whenever I try to make any advances to them, everyone keeps
calling me a pervert..."

I suppose these unspeakable things they do are really a sort of last resort,
since they don't have the right plumbing to do anything else.  Bit of a bind
really.  Ever try to fasten two things together with two bolts and no nuts?
I guess if some piece of their brain is a bit different from mine (and
current theory says it probably happens before birth), then they have to do
the best with what they've got.  They do other things too.  I'll bet there's
hardly anything they do that men don't do with women as well.  But with a
man and a woman, people don't object as much.  Not unless they live in
Louisiana.  Or is it Alabama?  Probably both.

Yes, gay men do have to take responsibility for not spreading AIDS.  Apart
from what they do, are they more promiscuous than hetero couples?  Some of
them are.  Some others are monogamously "married".  But men on average are a
bit more quickly stimulated to feeling sexy; more rarin' to go.  Less likely
to put up objections to getting on with the main event.  Especially with two
strangers.  Women -- well, I'm generalizing of course, but they're more
likely to insist on the dinner first, a nice conversation, some flowers,
maybe a fur coat or two.  Stands to reason when you put two men together,
you're likely to get quicker results than with a man and a woman.

Can't blame them for wanting to see a cure, all the same.  It would put a
crimp in my style if I had to use condoms all the time.  Had a girlfriend
once who couldn't stand them either.  And as for the people who already HAVE
the disease -- safe sex, or no sex, won't help them any.  Only a cure will.

Message: 67356
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taxes
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 10:51:08

I believe in sin tax.

And grammer.  And speling...  And pronounsiashun...
And morfo...  morf...  well, you know, all that stuff...

Message: 67357
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: B-Day
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 11:12:14

        Re: GT-B-Day party

        We have 13 people that posted they plan on attending....

I would like to see Carol Graham, Steve M, Jack Flash, Roger M. and a few
other TRY to attend the GT on the 28th of this month....  How about you?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67358
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 12:49:45

I always held out for 'a fur coat or two' myself! *Heh -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 67359
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ronnie Barlow
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 12:54:55

Pity Ronnie Barlow couldn't have run fast enough to get back home and lure
the guy into his house.  Then he could have blown him away quite safely.  I
hope.  Come to think of it, since he's black they might have found something
to hang on him anyway -- like "entrapment"...

Message: 67360
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Behavior problems
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 12:59:16

I guess a number of different things can be lumped together and grouped into
a superclass called "behavioral problems".  Only I don't see where that gets
us in terms of a goal.  I suppose a reasonable goal is to solve a problem,
or a set of problems.  Most problem-solving techniques and procedures call
for clear separation of steps -- defining the problem, analyzing the
problem, identifying possible causes, generating solutions, and testing
solutions.  Solutions are separate from problems, and often depend on
causes; so pinpointing the cause is far from irrelevant.  If the person
causing the problem is to take responsibility for fixing it, he may well
need to understand the cause so as to find a way of combating it.

One requirement is a statement of who "owns the problem".  That's not who
(or what) *caused* it, but who is the *victim* of it.  No victim, no
problem.  If the person controlling the cause also owns the problem, he is
more motivated to fix it.  Alcoholics, wife-beaters, child abusers generally
have victims such as children, wives, employers, dead pedestrians etc.  An
alcoholic who ends up feeling crummy "owns" part of the problem himself; he
may be more motivated to fix it than a wife beater or child abuser, say.

Victims of the homosexual "problem" are those who get AIDS.  Again, the
problem itself must be accurately defined.  The problem is "contracting a
fatal disease".  Certain behavior is only part of a chain of causes.  It is
within homosexuals' ability to contribute to a solution; but without the
disease, there would be no victims -- so no "behavior problem".

Message: 67361
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Fur coats
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 13:01:48

Do you have a very large collection?  :-)

     - Gordon

Message: 67362
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon on Gays
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 15:05:01

Interesting viewpoint.
I saw a Phil Donahou show yesterday with gay couples on it.  One lady was 72
before she "came out of the closet" and one gay couple had been together for
over 40 years, the other almost 60.  
From what I have heard from the gay men I have met, anal sex is not
something they do very often.  In fact, I know 3 gay men who say that they
wont be a part of anal sex.  I do know of one hetero couple that does.
I don't understand why people (men in particular) get so upset about
homosexuality.  There was a program on KFYI this morning and people were
calling in saying that if a teacher at their children's school was gay, they
would definitely move the kid out of the class and try to get the teacher
fired.  I don't understand why gayness is so threating.

Message: 67363
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 15:20:13

You illustrate my point exactly.
Poking at people's "sacred cows" shows a gross lack of 
understanding...and when you do it to purposely aggrivate and
upset them, you're no better than those you've condemned..worse
because you go out of your way to hurt.
 
My faith in God isn't a sacred cow. Cows can die and most scared ones
end up on the receiving end of a lot of B-B-Q sauce.
I think, I rationalize, and I study. 
I have a high enough IQ that I need not sweat judgement from people
who would want others to think otherwise just because my
words conflict with theirs.{
 
Enjoy.
 
        -Mike

Message: 67364
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Westfall/Japan book
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 15:41:34

        I can put it in the ibrary for a short time in an ASCII format if
you wish to ownload it that way.  The file size ZIPped is only 74K, but
in ASCII form it will be about 192K.  Can you handle this? Anyone else?

        This is the Book, America was not suppose to see. This book has
caused a ruckus on Capital Hill, so it is the one you are thinking of.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67365
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Religion
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 15:53:04

I think god would use a felttip pen.
And I don't think a being of his stature would have to worry about
translations.
Did you all think about some of those questions I asked?
Gee, I wish someone would give me an honest opinion, I would have asked, if
I wouldn't have wanted answers.
THE MAD MAX

Message: 67366
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: School
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 15:56:06

For anybody who is interested, today I was accepted at GCU and I'll be
starting Aug 24th, thats when I move into the dorm atleast.
Thanks again to all the folks who help me with their advice, and helped to
change my mind about DeVry.
THE MAD MAX

Message: 67367
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lojban
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 17:17:15

(the following was received by me across the computer network from my friend
Mike.  Use whatever info you can.  Perhaps we can all pool $50 and share the
courseware (*not* through copying) ???)

Date:  Monday, 9 July 1990 18:21 mst
From:  Michael Grant 
Subject:  Lojban
To:  Harvey at SYSTEM-M
Organization:  National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
Sub-Organization:  National Computer Systems Laboratory

Ok, the guy you need to contact is lojbab%[email protected].
They've formed some sort of non-profit organization.  They are asking
for approximatly $50 tax deductable donation to get the latest
course-ware and the quarterly mailings.  About $15 a year gets you
just the quarterly mailings.

There is also a lojban list: lojban-list%[email protected].
(use lojban-list-request%[email protected] to subscribe)

lojbab, (Bob LeChevalier)'s phone number is 703-385-0273 in case
you want to call him directly.

(if someone wants a US Mail address, I will request it)

Message: 67368
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JAPAN.ZIP
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 19:04:22

{        I made a MISTAKE... Anyone who can handle ZIP files can read the
JAPAN.ZIP file in the ibrary.   NOT just IBM like I first said.
When UNZIPPED, it becomes JAPAN.TXT, and that is an ASCII file.

Sorry...
                        Thanks Mutt!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67369
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GCU, RONNIE BARLOW
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:17:23

GCU: Mad Max, you made a good choice.  You will like it there, the people
are friendly, the instructors are helpful.  I am by no means a christian,
but I did get a good education (in CS, not CIS), as did my sister.  Say
hello to Mrs. Miller, Mr. Thompson, Dr. Wing, if they are still around. 
They WILL remember me :) !

Ronnie Barlow/E.J. Montini:  Montini did state the facts of the case
truthfully, yet he fibbed on that gun owners not supporting Barlow part. 
Yes, there were but 20 of us out there marching for Barlow (and the rest of
you should be ashamed you weren't there, Montini is partially right on that
one).  I even went to the sentencing hearing last Friday, where were you
guys?

I called Montini twice, and left messages, but he hasn't called me back,
because he is a yellow journalist, and is not interested in hearing about
gun owner trying to help Barlow.  All gun owners are racists, in his view.

If you want to help Barlow, but have no time, send your contributions to the
        "Ronnie Barlow Defense Fund"
        P.O. Box 34276
        Phoenix, AZ  85067
This is for real.  Barlow needs a better attorney, the public defender is
overloaded, and he needs an expert witness (Masaad Ayoob is the choice).
Please help, for you too might be jailed for defending yourself one day.

Message: 67370
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod on John C.
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:31:47

        Okay, I'm confused, re: your #67322. I don't avoid your
questions--it seems to me you asked the Christians on this board to go check
with their pastors for a defense of religion to present to the ragged
heathen Rod. Sounded like a good idea to me, so I tried to answer you: I
hoipe I find your response to my post, not just a personal diatribe against
me with insults instead of reason.     --John C.--

Message: 67371
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod on God
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:38:17

        Ah, there's an "answer" I guess. Please, don't leap to what you
think I mean or what you imagine is in my mind or what you want me to argue.
Let's discuss what you asked for, okay?
        Now we've established the position of evolution, right? Please don't
bring your version of God into this, and don't make up your own rules about
what God should do, in order to follow Rod's worldview.
        Let's just go to step 2: do you admit that his evolution has
proceeded from the less complex to the more complex? That the beings which
exist on earth today are more complex than the warm slime from which all
life evolved? (That's what evolutionists hold, anyway.)
        Please answer this, don't evade it, then we'll try step 3.
                                --John C.--

Message: 67372
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: J. Beck/Literature
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:45:26

        Hell, everyone likes Melville, until they read those reviews whichj
suggest that maybe he was homosexual, then lots say they don't like any
more. Strange critics eh?    --John C.--

Message: 67373
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Beck/evolution
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:49:41

        Sorry I was not more precise--I meant, of course, the evolution of
the creatures of this world from the one- or two-celled animals which the
evolutionists claim as beginning, to modern creatures; dolphins, great apes,
chimps, man, etc. I ask if you see this as adevelopment from the less to the
more complex?      --John C.--

Message: 67374
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff on John
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:51:59

        Hey, I don't "boast" incessantly of man's rational and animal
traits. I simply point them out, and submit that rationality is a trait not
found in the other animals, only in the human.    --John C.--

Message: 67375
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Roger/Evolution
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:55:15

        Oh boy, I was hoping someone would make that point! Well done,
Roger! But I think that could be a side discussion that would take the rest
of the decade.  Do you have a comment on the 20,000 families who may be out
of work to save those damn 450 owls?    --John C.--

Message: 67376
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Homos
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 20:58:19

        St. Joseph's Hospital has a bulletin board you can get to with a
modem--# 235-9653.   They have a program which goes on about 10 pages of
statistics on ALL types. (I never could figure out what women do, and I've
always been too ashamed to ask.)     --John C.--

Message: 67377
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Masaad Ayoob
Date: 07/10/90  Time: 21:45:14

        I don't think that guy ever heard a shot fired in anger.  Why don't
you get James Jarret... He will be an expert witness... and yes, he has done
this many times before.   Need a phone number Mike?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 67378
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Masaad Ayoob
Date: 07/11/90  Time: 00:25:46

Would be viewed as a radical gun nut by any half dim prosecuting
attorney. Ayoob is too well known in the SOF circles and that
would bring a devastating effect on his defense.
 
After meeting James Jarret, I think this man would better serve
as an expert witness. Besides, he's also local.

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Message: 67380
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: TRUE STORY
Date: 07/11/90  Time: 01:00:50

                        CONFESSION OF A PERVERT
                                          - by rod williams, I

It is not that I am knocking any person living or dead, it is that I, how
to put this...I am accepting a challenge, so to speak.

I'll put it this way:  I have been told on many an occasion by many
different individuals that unless I did such and such that I, Rod Williams
would go to hell when my body was shed.  In other words, when I die.

Now the NERVE of the people who tell me that.  Where do they get the right? 
Therein my animosity lies.

Therefore I love to 'take the challenge' and go directly to the so-called
source, the God who will put me in hell along with the people who believe
this mish-mash trash.

That is why I publicly call this most high whatamacallit a illiterate idiot
and much, much worse.  Much worse.

I relish in delight at the thoughts that must be going through these
hillbillies minds when I smash the little pimp down to proper size.

No one has the right to dictate to me how I will be spending my eternity. 
If someone wants to believe that heaven or hell exists then I suggest they
keep it to themselves or at least leave me, my family and my friends out of
the picture.  Keep your beliefs to yourself, in otherwords.

It is the sick person who promotes this stuff and in their effort they have
created for themselves a sick deity.

I'll stop picking on old wimp-face if you adhere to my wishes, otherwise
expect more of the same.

Why you'd think that old wimp-face could stand up on his own two feet and
defend himself.  After all isn't he all powerful?

On the other side of things, other than where religion rears its ugly head,
I see bright intelligence in the Christian Camp.  In each individual, even
Paul Savage I see goodness and expression and thoughtful opinion.

And Jeff L. should switch majors to philosophy instead of CS.