Apollo BBS Archive - July 1, 1990


Mail from Jeff Beck
Date: 07/01/90  Time: 17:24:58

Don't hold your breath.
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:GOOD POSTS.  Your posts impress with the your real intelligence and 
 2:questioning you posess or that posses you.  -Rod


Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 67100
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: News Today
Subject: Hello again
Date: 07/01/90  Time: 03:56:05

Hi everybody.  'Fraid I haven't been around for a while -- after my
3-week stint overseas I was back for a short time, then off again;
hardly time to catch up with anything...

One bit of US news I did catch was about this maniac James Edward
Pough who massacred ten people in Jacksonville.  I was especially
ticked off at him for getting the gun lobby a bad name right when
all these votes are going through on DeConcini's bill.  We sure
don't need that.  But I was a bit puzzled about some of the details.

This seems to have happened on Monday the 18th, and unfortunately
Tuesday the 19th was the only day Jane didn't pick up a newspaper.
The only reports I have are in Time Magazine and in France-Soir.
First off, what kind of rifle did he use?  Time described it as "a
.30-cal. 'assault-style' rifle" (of course, they would!), and in
France-Soir it was described as "une carabine semi-automatique 30-
30".  Now I'm damned if I know of any semiautos in 30-30 caliber.
Does anybody know what it was?

Secondly, Time said that "in 1971 Pough pleaded guilty to the fatal
shooting of a man", and went on to say that a background check
before purchasing a gun would have uncovered this criminal record.
France-Soir, on the other hand, clearly implied that Pough had been
tried and found NOT guilty of a murder.  So which was true?

Message: 67101
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James White/organian
Date: 07/01/90  Time: 08:28:07

Deux ex Machina is always a  poor plot ploy. I WIN ! I WIN ! I WIN !
I get the prize for the best three word alliteration for July 1st !!!

Message: 67102
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mad Max
Date: 07/01/90  Time: 10:01:21

        I don't think people are being sarcastic about DeVry.  I think they
are telling you how they feel.  I have a friend that went to DeVry for years
and got his degree in computer science.  He could not get a job with that
peice of paper and he is now a Rent-A-Cop so to say.  Whoopy!
        But then I know a girl that went there and had several offers for
work when she graduated, Not great offers, but offers non the less.
        Hardly 'ridicule'.....  just truth!   Would you rather us long time
residents of Arizon LIE about DeVry and tell you it is great!   ???

        Some of those users who said 'NO' to Devry, and 'Yes' to ASU, work
at some of the MAJOR places in Az.  Like Sperry/Honeywell, Motorola.
Rather then classify anything they say as 'ridicule', why don't you take the
time to contact these users and talk to them?  Try the Electronic 

ost Office on Apollo..... If you choose DeVry... I will still wish you well! *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif- Message: 67103 Author: $ Ann Oudin Category: Chit Chat Subject: Rod/your dog Date: 07/01/90 Time: 10:30:04 Sounds like Cujo to me. heh heh. -=*) ANN (*=- Message: 67104 Author: $ Ann Oudin Category: Chit Chat Subject: Hans/trees Date: 07/01/90 Time: 10:34:26 When we moved here 5 years ago there is this Eucaliptus (reg.) in the back yard - it's at least 4 stories high! I assume that would be a fast grower and what your looking for. Alas, this one only shades the neighbors yard - not ours. Wrong side. -=*) ANN (*=- Message: 67105 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Chit Chat Subject: Ann/questions Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:25:13 What's a Cujo? Why not move the tree? Message: 67106 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Chit Chat Subject: Gordon Little Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:27:24 Welcome back, you were missed. The .30 caliber rifle, as it was pointed out was a semi-auto and not an assult type as it had a brown stock and not a black one. But assult-type makes the establishments position stronger in gun legislation, doesn't it? Hope you stick around. Message: 67107 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Answer! Subject: John C. (1 of 4) Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:28:53 Man alone of the animal creation preys upon his own species. -Charles Sumner Species: composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves. You ask what I thought the essential difference was between man and animal. That particular statement is a misnomer because man is an animal. I guess your purpose here, in this discussion, is to feel satisfied that the human animal is the leader of the pack so that we can feel proud and above all other life here on planet Earth. I'm afraid that the answer to that question is, at present, beyond our particular realm of human knowledge. The facts are not yet in and won't be for quite a while. Theoretically speaking, the Universe is mighty large, with no real words to adequately describe it. We could say that it is limitless in its area. We only know, at this time, that there are literally billions and billions of other bodies of matter that we could call neighbors. cont. Message: 67108 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Answer! Subject: JC/animals 2 of 4 Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:29:46 If you were part of a large body of free floating energy and could travel about the universe at the speed of light, viewing what existed, and you happened upon this planet, perhaps you could draw some definite opinions: That the entire planet was in its mid-stage of development, that intelligent life did not exist here among any of its species. That all species communicated with its own kind but not with any other. That the species that developed technology was muffing it in its current stage of illiteracy and making it bad for all life, both plants and animals. A truth is: that the possibilities of what life in the universe can achieve is totally without limit of any kind. That the relative importance of planet earth as a spinning glob of matter among all other masses is, to Mother Nature, a zit in eternity. That it will, as all spinning bodies do, run its course in due order just as all forests catch on fire and burn. It is no 'biggie' as things go, just another mass in motion. At this point in our evolution not one species of life has achieved anything of global importance but to the contrary we have learned how to destroy ourselves quite well and in the interim have learned how to enslave our own kind as well as the other species no matter what system name we use. And those species that humans cannot control are systematically destroyed. cont. Message: 67109 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Answer! Subject: JC/arf 3 of 4 Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:30:33 The lowly cockroach is a prime example of the last sentence. We do everything we can to get rid of it by poisoning with harsh chemicals but to no real avail. Our homes contain mounds of poison that affect all species in the vicinity, our children included. But if humans were to succeed in eliminating this species the net result would be another minus for our survival. Cockroaches have their place in the natural order of things. Every room in a humans dwelling contain the dropping of our daily life. In the kitchen, the bathroom, bedroom and living room are small particles of food, body parts such as toe jam, ear wax, nose material and a host of other things. The vacuum cleaner and other cleaning devices and methods are not totally effective in removing everything and some people are pigs. We don't move often enough in order to let Mother Nature renew out dwellings. My father-in-law is an Entomolegist with a Ph.D., a retired U.S. Public Health Service Official, a former Professor at Loyola University and author of the plan adopted by the U.S. Military for disease prevention. He remarked to me that cockroaches do not carry diseases. They most probably help prevent disease material from building up by consuming and converting it into a more useful form. Message: 67110 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Answer! Subject: JC/4 of 4 Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:31:16 My point is: That all species are a part of the same ecological system as a unit, as a whole, a balance if you will. Not one species is more important than another although some would like to think they are. We are zits in eternity, too ignorant during this stage to be given serious thought. I would guess that there are more evolved species somewhere in this universe, species that could truly say they were above and more important than the human animal or any other species here. But somehow I doubt that they would feel this way. We know that each galaxie in the universe will run its course, so to speak, that it is constantly changing and will at one time become nebulous in character but not a single atom will be lost in its entirety. More atoms are no doubt coming into being on a continuum. Energy does not see death. I would think that our immediate goal is to become an intelligent species rather than say we are the intelligent species. This is important because believe it or not, that which is a lifeform has feelings, can feel aches and pains, experiences happiness and sadness, can feel a boot to the side, can tell when it is being oppressed whether it be a man, a dog or a cockroach. Message: 67111 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Chit Chat Subject: John/Moral Date: 07/01/90 Time: 15:32:35 Unfortunately we are a long way from achieving this and it is sad. But harken because in ignorance there is bliss. So put down that book of heavy matter and pick up a Captain Marvel Comic Book, don't think past your next rent check and open that can of beer. But most importantly donate your time and money to our national war on drugs and weapons. The President needs us. If this doesn't give you a satisfactory answer to your question to me then let me know and I will try again. -Rod Message: 67112 Author: $ Mike Carter Category: Chit Chat Subject: Jeff Lochansky Date: 07/01/90 Time: 16:03:15 I looked over the previous posts you claim were full of personal attack and ridicule. If there's any ridicule at all, I'm missing it. It seems clear that *you* are the one taking this thing personally. I would suggest that you re-evaluate what you're saying. If you feel that it is personal, it's time not only to re-evaluate what your feeling but also *why*. That's the first sign of danger. You feel emotionally attached to DeVry already and your taking insults directed at DeVry as your own personal insults. I would be very careful from this point on. But seeing that any post aimed at helping is called a personal attack, I'll just say that don't come to my office looking for a job with a DeVry piece of paper. It wont work. Message: 67113 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Question? Subject: Rod/party Date: 07/01/90 Time: 17:35:01 Can we all pretend to be anarchists? Message: 67114 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Answer! Subject: Cummings/English Date: 07/01/90 Time: 17:56:05 Go back and re-read the Murray quote in the OED yourself; I will emphasize certain words in capitals so t Message: 67114 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Answer! Subject: Cummings/English Date: 07/01/90 Time: 17:56:05 Go back and re-read the Murray quote in the OED yourself; I will emphasize certain words in capitals so that they might penetrate that obdurate chunk of grey matter which you so gamely refer to as a brain: "It [between] is still the only word available to express the relation of a thing to MANY surrounding things SEVERALLY AND individually, *among* expressing a relationship to them collectively and vaguely." Clearly, one does not refer to a pair as "many" nor as "several." The OED shows citations for "between" used of more than two from 971 to 1885; Websters from 1303 to 1985: the usage is more than a thousand years old. If you will take the time to read the OED in all of its sagacious splendor, with the eyes of a seeker of knowledge and not those of a shrewish old schoolmarm desperately defending her arbitrary and capricious methods, you will immediately perceive the distinction between "between" and "among": it is not that one is restricted to reference to two things, and the other is not; it is that one relates specifically, while the other only generally. Message: 67115 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Answer! Subject: Cummings/murder Date: 07/01/90 Time: 18:08:33 You are really such an abominable trifler, John. It is scarcely worth my time to respond to you, because if you insist on misreading my meaning and intent originally, I should really have to be inordinately optimistic to believe that you will not continue to repeat your mistake; clearly, this is essential to your personality; bungling is as natural to you as pissing on curtains is to cats. Please to not stop to pedantically lecture me on the absence of any evolutionary mechanism relating urination by cats with curtains; it was a joke. Murder is a legal term, nothing more. I made it perfectly clear to any but a ha'penny hack of your quality, that animals cannot break the letter of the law because the law does not, in this case, apply to them. But the law against murder is merely the practical manifestation of the morals of civilisation. A predatory beast can violate the spirit of that law just as easily as predatory human. But we would no more hold the tiger against the letter of the laws of civilization than we would hold a headhunting cannibal in the jungles of Borneo against the letter of those laws. Message: 67116 Author: $ Apollo SYSOP Category: The SYSOP Speaks Subject: July! Date: 07/01/90 Time: 19:04:51 I hope everyone has a fun and safe 4th of July. July is also the B-Day for Apollo BBS. I am hoping to host a GT at my place....on or about the 28th of July. I would like to start hearing from those interested so I can make a list...and plans. I will set up ol'Tom R. Slone, the original system. Will probably run the 'Apollo Video' tape on the boob-tube for those of you who missed it. Any volunteer(s) to make an Apollo Cake? That store bought one from Fry's the last time was a tad too SWEET! *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif- Message: 67117 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Chit Chat Subject: between alternatives Date: 07/01/90 Time: 19:48:02 Which do you prefer: to speak of a trade agreement between nations or among them? Would you say that a triangle is the space *among* three points? Would you say that a train route runs *among* New York, Cleveland, Albany and Chicago? Message: 67118 Author: $ Jeff Beck Category: Chit Chat Subject: animals Date: 07/01/90 Time: 20:05:15 There is a program tonight on channel eight featuring vultures which pick up bones off the plains, carry them to a height of 500 feet, and drop them, so that the fall shatters the bones, allowing the birds to eat the marrow. I have seen similar programs demonstrating primitive rational thought and the use of tools by animals; otters using rocks to crack open bivalves, chimps and apes using sticks as weapons (both as clubs and projectiles in the manner of spears), and also using them to collect and eat insects by inserting the sticks into the small entranceways to underground nests. I have seen monkeys wash their food in salty water. This behavior is not instinctive, but is invented by individuals and henceforth was propagated as learned behavior though social interaction. An interesting experiment was conducted by German Gestalt psychologist Wolfgang Kohler during WW I. On the island of Tenerife (in the Canary Islands) he conducted learning experiments with apes that were native to the island. One experiment, carried out with an ape called Sultan, put the ape into a cage where a bunch of bananas were hanging from the ceiling. In the cage was also put two bamboo sticks (which could be fitted together). Sultan originally spend a great deal of time trying to knock down the bananas with one of the sticks (but eventually gave up). Then one day as he was idly fiddly with the two sticks, he joined the sticks together into one long pole. He immediately got up and knocked the bananas down with the long pole, and every subsequent time he was presented with the same problem he immediately solved it in the same way. Kohler repeated this experiment many times with other problems, such as providing several boxes that had to be stacked to reach the bananas. EAch time, the ape would fail to make any progress and than suddenly learn how to reach the bananas. In 1945 a follow-up experiment was conducted. Chimpanzees who had no previous experience playing with sticks could not solve the problem. However, after these chimps had been allowed to play with the sticks for only three days they were able to solve the banana and stick problem easily. Evidently, they had learned something in their play that enabled them to learn insightfully. Message: 67121 Author: $ John Cummings Category: Chit Chat Subject: Rod/animals Date: 07/01/90 Time: 21:48:20 Rod, "chow" is a type of dog. Did you mean the Italian expression for "so long, see you later"? (Sorry, that's a mean dig.) --John C.-- Message: 67122 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Chit Chat Subject: Ann on Rod and Ma N. Date: 07/01/90 Time: 23:17:18 My post did not concern itself with nature, but rather Rod's description of his "Mother Nature." "She," in Rod's words, seems to be a relentless (word for female dog that rhymes with stitch) and he apparently has no qualms with "her" because of it. But bring up a God that so loved the world (Jn 3:16), and watch Rod's claws eject. I'm not saying that I understand why God works the forces of nature the way that He does (being as I'm not God, I cannot know His mind). But I take Him at His word that there is a reason for everything (Ecc 3.1-8, or "Turn Turn Turn" by The Byrds, your choice). Someday I will understand. Until then, when faced with the unexplainable (especially when it hits close to home), I will remember the words of Job 1.21. Daryl (Ro 15:5-6) Message: 67123 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Chit Chat Subject: Ann / 67053 / Fire Date: 07/01/90 Time: 23:19:48 I cannot say what the cause or purpose for the fire was. I was merely stating that the fire was not a punishment from God for some undefined sin of some undefined person. All that was dealt with at the cross. Daryl (Php 2:6-11) Message: 67124 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Chit Chat Subject: Rod / 67081 Date: 07/01/90 Time: 23:22:18 But, unless I am mistaken, it is not up to the individual dispose of the flag him/herself by burning it. You are to have someone who is authorized do it. Daryl (Php 2:6-11) Message: 67125 Author: $ Daryl Westfall Category: Chit Chat Subject: Rod on Bob and cats Date: 07/01/90 Time: 23:23:54 "Quick, quick! Rod's coming! Hide the cat!" Daryl (Php 2:6-11) Message: 67126 Author: $ Mike Carter Category: Chit Chat Subject: John Cummings Date: 07/02/90 Time: 00:26:20 "CHOW" is also Vietnamese for "Goodbye". Normally in the lingo, Elder, junior or family-relationship is added as a suffix. Like "Chow - un" pr Chow oon. Means respect to an elder. -Mike Message: 67127 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Answer! Subject: Jeff/party Date: 07/02/90 Time: 00:44:57 Okay. Message: 67128 Author: $ Rod Williams Category: Chit Chat Subject: Cliff/video Date: 07/02/90 Time: 00:46:58 I'd like to video tape it. Say hi to Tom R. Sloan. Public & Free Bulletin Board command:EC You chose Chit Chat Subject:Daryl Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop You gotta be kidding. What is it about a Jesus that you don't understand? If there was such a person then why worship or spend time on the dead. The man next to you is a brother, an animal that is equal to everyother animal in the universe. I don't get it, you thrust a myth of death over having fun and enjoying your Brother. You are so busy living in the past but it is possible to snap out of it. I did. It is a crutch of the temporary scared but your freedoms end where my nose begins. If you think that YOU are made in your gods image then what does your god look like, You? Wake up and smell the caffeine or beef fat? I love you as a brother and openly admit that you, Daryl Westfall, has a brother in a fairly interesting myth but I am not a myth. I am real and so are you. Wanna go out and glue some sticks together, we can make them in the form of  Saving message... The message is 67129 Public & Free Bulletin Board command:EC You chose Chit Chat Subject:Daryl, yes Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop crosses and use them to scare the Vampires away. Good idea, by Jove It is people caring about people without having the dead, which we probably are a part of, taking up some premimum time that we could be spending with people planting the corn or something to that tume. Bob (C1, v.1-56) And he saith to him, out of the desert land that Jerimian Johnson our holy JJ, protector of protectors. Bob continues, he speaketh bull crap out of his jaw, about Jerimiah Johnson and Son. Well Daryl, you see that above paragraph is what, in essense, your old dead book says. Get a new book, one by Mark Twain and they were written a hundred years ago. Why are you so freaked out? Don't be afraid to admit it....I've sure been there a few times. I looked for myself and have traveled a lot of paths and I am still on one but what you are serving is death and hell because hell is an intregial part of your religion. I don't have a hell in my outlook either for myself or anyone else, nay, not a thing shall burn into pain forever and ever sayath the bob and the anti-bob. So, get a life, my friend and make that life, life, got it?!!! This ain't g'by now, cause I am your brother but ain't your ma. Edit command:S Saving message... The message is 67130 Public & Free Bulletin Board command:G Goodbye, Rod Williams You were on 29:49

Content of this site is © Mark Firestone or whomever wrote it. All rights reserved.