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Message: 3860
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: 4th
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 00:31:18
I went to Y95 and miscellaneous others' fireworks show downtown at the
capitol tonight, and it was ***** 5 star rating! The grand finale was
spectacular!! It was the best fireworks show I have ever seen!
(If you were watching channel 12 news at 10pm, I was the one with white
sunglasses and Y95 T-shirt)
Message: 3861
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 03:34:19
What were you doing wearing sunglasses during a fireworks display?
Message: 3862
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Fireworks.
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:06:04
I was asleep.
Message: 3863
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Fireworks
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 11:07:46
Well, I had a great July 4. I didn't see any fireworks, I dreamt another
Space Shuttle exploded, and the roof, carpeting, and seatcovers were stolen
from the nicer of my two 914s.
Message: 3864
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 14:48:41
They were stolen in your dream, or in reality? The distinction was not very
clear.
Message: 3865
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Big deal
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:39:59
I went to the Capitol Mall and saw the National Symphony and the fireworks
show behind the Washington Monument. Then I rode the Metro to Maryland and
got everyone on the train to sing The Star Spangled Banner. I have never
been so proud to be an American.
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1: My family and I walked one block north to Thomas Road and we watched
2:the fireworks display at Phoenix Country Club. It was so, so. I've never
3:been so proud to be a Milkyian.
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Message: 3867
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod???
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 18:16:02
Now that is the most positive I have seen a post from you in a long
time.... I mean you were actually proud of something.... WOW!
Cliff
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Message: 1502
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 23:09:49
No. You're a bonehead; there's a difference.
Message: 1503
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: babbling
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 03:52:08
I wasn't babbling. I was trying to teach y'all some iportant information.
There is a difference.
Pay attention!
Message: 1504
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Question?
Subject: a fellow geek
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 03:59:23
What ever happened to Dean McCarron?
Message: 1505
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 00:08:32
He didn't learn his Wesson.
Message: 1506
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 01:17:29
Dean hasn't had any in a long time. I guess he's getting oiled.
(OK, so that joke was stupid.)
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Message: 896
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: Lets laugh!
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 11:48:27
These are some more things of value I have collected over the years.
___________________________________
l ************** l
l l <-- 'This is the genuine
l I Brutus, do hereby confess l confession of Brutus.
l of the dastartdly deed of l Very valuable as there
l killing my father on the steps l is only one in the world.
l of the Foram on the Ides of l No one knows to this
l March, with my sword! He would l time who actually killed
l not let me have the family l Julius Caesar. Now it is
l litter on saturday night to l revealed!'
l take my girlfriend to the l
l Collisium to watch the l
l Christians being ate by the l
l lions! Signed ----- l
l Brutus l
l_________________________________l
_________
/ X \/l <---- 'A petrified fish R.W. Emerson caught on
<__________/\l Waldon Pond'. (After extensive scientific
testing - it was found to have died from
pollution caused by him dumping his sewage in the pond!)
Message: 897
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: more laughs?
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 11:49:33
________
/H H H H \
\_H_H_H__/ <--- 'George Washington's wooden false teeth'
/\
______/_/____
l _______ l
l l l l
l l C l l <--- 'The 'famous two seater' outhouse
l l l l the dentist got the wood from'.
l l= l l (genuine oak)
l l l l
l__l_____l__l
____ ____
l l l l <--- 'A pair of boots (goat hide) that
____l l ____l l never got delieved to Nepoleon's
(__________) (__________) men on the battlefield due to
l__l l__l governmental 'red tape'!
_____________
l 12 doz. l
lJock strapsl <--- 'What was delivered instead'.
l___________l
Message: 898
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: laughing?
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 11:50:45
_________________
l__ -- __l
\ Thou Shalt l <----- 'The tablet of the Eleventh Commandment
/ Have a littlel that somehow got lost in the shuffle'.
/ fun -- __/
\______________/
\___________
/(o__________\=== <--- 'The one thing Noah should have left
/\ /\ behind'! (La Cucaracha!)
(O ooO oo)
(OoOoOooOoo) <--- 'A pile of dinosaur dung'! (The original
(oooOooOo) fossil fuel!)
==== <--- 'The secret 'gizmo' that we all know Detroit
\\ h has that will increase gas millage by 100%
// %%% and allow your car to last for 500,000 miles
//_________ with out repair' (it goes on the carborator
(((((((((((() of course!!)
++&&
Message: 899
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: To Nick
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 11:52:00
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Message: 900
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 14:31:33
I'm willing to put money on the race between you and Nick. Of course I'm
betting on Nick though. You want to take the bet?
Message: 901
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: James/last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 15:45:43
No - because Nick won't tell me what he's got! I might be a fool, but I'm
not stupid!! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 902
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: More relics
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 15:46:54
_ _
/_\_____/_\
/___________\
\___________/ <---- 'The Mummified remains of
\_________/ of King Tut's cat'!
\_______/ (This was over looked by
/_______\ Lord Carnarvon! His loss,
/_________\ my gain!)
/___________\
/_____________\ (Or is this Sandy's new dress?
\_____________/ I keep forgetting!)
\___________/
\_________/
l_______l
\\\\
( x )
___( ) <---- 'The remains of the bird they
--- \______________ took the plume out of to make
\ / the pen for the signing of
\ \/\/\/\/ / The Declaration of
\_______________/ Independance with'! (Note:
/l\ /l\ -- No tail feathers!)
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Message: 904
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Race?
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 18:59:05
I thought you were stupid, but not a fool. Perhaps I am confused.
Message: 905
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 20:26:47
Hey, she's an artist! She's allowed to be a fool, or even a stupid fool.
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Message: 692
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: ST SOFTWARE SALE
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 20:05:32
Atari ST Software
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Bring a hard copy of this post for an additional $2.00 off......
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Message: 1579
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 19:47:37
Rod, you are the ONLY one I see here full of hate.... I do not call you an
ASS-HOLE for believeing in Bob and Bobra... I do not HATE you...
Unlike you, I feel you have the right to believe in whatever
you wish and may do so without being called stupid.
Take the last few days for instance, you are upset and angry that I
post my views and they are not of your own. It is you who needs to look at
himself.
Some facts Rod...
There are a number of people on here that no longer will attend GT's
you may go to... Why, because you can't leave your hate at home... You
shake their hands then tell them it was a "Devil's handshake", and other
sorted childish bull.... You do not know how to take everyone at face value
and be neutral, you would rather make a farce of their religions and
embarrass them and yourself. You just don't understand. Apollo GT's have
been ruined, and you say I am full of hate.... Sure, a few hard core users
show up, but a lot do not because no one wants to be constantly insulted!
That is the truth....
SYSOP Cliff
Message: 1580
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 23:09:04
You're so full of shit, you should be the poster child for Ex-Lax.
Message: 1581
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff on Rod
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 01:16:50
I was never under the impression that anyone was avoiding GTs because of
Rod. If these people are so uptight and insecure in their belief system that
a little needling drives them away, then they probably wouldn't last for
very long around here anyway.
Message: 1582
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer !
Subject: last/Nick
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 02:19:51
Nick, you are wrong about the users that have had bad feelings about
GTs, not lasting. A person that really believes is insulted by Rod's crude
display and blasphemy. It most surly takes away from the fun of the event.
Sitting from your position on the subject, I feel you can not comprehend the
ill feelings this creates. Rod talks about fun and parties, but tries to
make people feel bad... Rod is the biggest bigot I have ever known.
Message: 1583
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Answer !
Subject: last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 02:52:57
A person that "really believes" should not be shaken by Rod's "crude display
and blaspemy," whatever that is. If they are confident in what they believe,
surely they can tolerate a little harmless fun.
To be truthful, I never recall Rod making a scene at any GT. He occasionally
shakes hands with the "wrong" hand, but hey, I don't hold that against him.
Lighten up.
Message: 1584
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff and Rod
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 03:38:57
When I first met Rod, he did a "devil's handshake"; shook my hand with his
left instead of his right. I was appalled. I felt a deep down pain in my
abdomen and vowed never to attend another GT as long as I live, damn it!
Actually, it's not Rod. It's the kids. Remember that Baked Potato GT when
they wouldn't stop throwing ice all over the restaurant? That was
embarassing. I remember your reaction, Cliff. It was very strong. "Come
on, kids, stop it!" But somehow I still managed to have a good time.
And then there was the GT when we met at Golf-n-Stuff GT and we called Rae
Ackerman from Rod's cellular phone, right there in the middle of all the
teen activity, a big circle of weird people passing a phone around, shouting
"hi Rae! hi Rae!" What a sight that was.
And then there were the music GTs, the last of which Rod rode his bicycle
to. He even sang a song and gave a one-minute speech on "Time Doesn't
Exist" for the GT tape. Whatta crazy guy.
In all of these scenarios and the many others, I cannot recall a time when
someone became offended by Rod's weirdness. Sure, he's got a lot of
"character", eccentric charm, but anyone who would be oversensitive enough
to huff and puff about it has too little tolerance f their own good.
So there, Cliff. And Rod: settle down. See what you've done?
Message: 1585
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: $#!+
Subject: last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 04:16:14
While reading Zak's post, I was trying to eat a swiss cheese sandwich. That
is, until I regurgitated it all over my keyboard. It disgusts me to think
that I've been part of such clearly antisocial behavior. You're all a bunch
of geeks and boneheads.
Message: 1586
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:10:49
Rod has never had a cellular phone.
Message: 1587
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:21:39
Rod's brain can't be totally burnt out. I know he has learned things
since the sixties. And since most people only use 10-20 percent of their
brain, I'm sure he could burn 50 percent more and still have some to spare.
Rod is just very adamant about his beliefs. The same as Paul Savage, James
White, etc. He is just the other end of the spectrum. Some always complain
that his arguments are nonsensical or otherwise inaccurate. But that is
just the way he explains things. He is very emotional, and it shows in his
messages.
As for people not coming to GTs because of him... I think that some of the
more sensitive, or non-confrontational people avoid him. When I met Rod the
first time, one of my roommates threatened him with a baseball bat.
I don't think there is any use trying to change Rod. He has radical
viewpoints which some people can not handle. I think if he worked on it he
could express his viewpoints more concisely, but he has learned. Maybe two
years from now Ann Oudin will spell correctly and be able to form a complete
sentence. (Maybe I will be able to also.)
Message: 1588
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff on Rod
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 08:32:43
I personally thought Rod was an asset to any G.T. I ever went to. He's
always funny and outragious but he doesn't take himself too serious. If
anyone is not going because of Rod, thats ridiculious. I know for a fact
that at the Big Boy G.T. EVERYONE seemed highly interested in Rod when he
showed up and it seemed things perked up when he did! Of all the film that
was taken at that G.T. - 50% of it was of Rod and not only taken by me, but
by Nick and JT. I have it for anyone to see. If you look at him in this film
(oops, sorry Beau - I mean tape!) you will see a pleasant, smiling fellow
that uses the word love a lot - that is happy and excepts everyone as they
are. Sure - he had on his 'Thank God I'm an Athiest' t-shirt and at times
was quite outragious (in fun) - but I saw no one that was offended by him.
Who would be? James White? He doesn't go to any G.T. from what I've been
told. Almost everybody on Apollo was at the B.B.Boy G.T. Who was offended
that night? =*--ANN--*=
Message: 1589
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: James Hawley
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 14:52:46
It was a portable, walkie-talkie style phone. Was it yours?
Message: 1590
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: A clean joke
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 15:48:44
There was this guy that went to visit a friend that lived in the
Ozarks, deep in the forest. After the whole family greeted him, he
noticed a pig running around in the house and he had a wooden leg and
only one ear.
"Say Bubba" he said to his friend. "Whats a pig doing in the house?"
"Let me tell you that this is a wonderful pig! Last year my little
Nancy fell in the pond and that there pig jumped in and pulled her
out"!
"Wow, that's great".
"That's not all" said Bubba. "Just this past winter, the house caught
on fire and that wonderful pig started squeeking and squeeling and woke
us up and saved our lives! He also warned us just last week that the
revinewers were coming up the road so's we could hide our still quick"!
"That truly is a wonderful pig. But why does he have a wooden leg and
only one ear?"
"Don't you know anything? Why, a wonderful pig like that, out of
respect, you eat him slow!"
Message: 1591
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Idiots
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:44:35
You bore me. Shut up already.
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Message: 1593
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Mello out
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 18:28:45
Geeee, just what I want Rod to do when it comes time to be insulting
to Christians. Anyways, when there is a GT, I generaly try to get some
users to go by calling them directly... the reason most stated why they will
not go is Rod.... He FORCES the subject on other people who wish just to
meet the users and talk general stuff. To a true Christian, it is not
'Funny' what Rod does... Religion to some is sacred, and that is that.
GT's could be better if ALL would "Mello Out".
Cliff
Message: 1594
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 19:01:27
Yes, it was a handheld, walkie talkie FM radio phone. But not a cellular
phone. (No cells!)
Message: 1595
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod/GTs
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 20:53:25
I certainly consider Rod an asset to GTs. I also enjoy visiting his house.
I think the secret the people who avoid him need to learn is that Rod isn't
bothered when you tell him to shut up.
Message: 1596
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod...ASSet
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 00:41:05
I agree, Rod is an ASSet to Apollo.... but sometimes he goes too
far. I have seen Rod get angry and upset if you try to argue against him,
after all, he is Human as well as an ASSet.
Cliff
Message: 1597
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 02:27:37
I just realized something. A week or so ago you were telling James White
how "holier than thou" you are, a sinless, wholly good creature of this
earth.
Recently, though, you've posted nothing but nasty, filthy trash about
Cliff's dong and other assorted repulsive subjects.
What a raving hypocrite. Without sin you are not, I say. Take a good,
long, hard look at yourself. Wake up and smell the granola, lady!
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Message: 100
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Dog Doo-Doo
Subject: JT
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:23:00
I hear that JT is going to be filling in for Morton Downey Jr. during his
vacation next week.
Message: 101
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Dog Doo-Doo
Subject: #99
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 08:37:13
See what happens when you mess with the mighty Sysop and Sysopette? Does
that explain it to you Zak? Sigh! When will that awful picture of me quit
appearing on the boards? Soon I hope. If not --- BEWARE! The pen is mightier
than the sword! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
P.S. If that wasn't clear - I'll put it another way - it was a bonified
'threat'!
Message: 102
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Dog Doo-Doo
Subject: Last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 14:33:04
Does that mean you didn't do that yourself? And here I thought you had a
good sense of humor.
Message: 103
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Crapola
Subject: Morton Downey
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:45:28
Good, clean entertainment.
Message: 104
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: ANNIE the Fanny
Subject: next Pic?
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 18:32:52
Personaly I thought that picture post #99 was conservitive of what
COULD have been posted.... ((Counter THREAT)) note the world "COULD"
Daa dee daa daa dum..... Next?
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Message: 52991
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Question?
Subject: PEACEFUL REVOLUTION
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 18:52:40
"We need a peaceful revolution of our youth to bring mankind a step
further up the ladder of intelligence, like in the sixties."
It didn't work then, obviously - so why should things be any different
now? Sounds to me like you just miss the party, and want someone else to
throw another one at the expense of us all.
Message: 52992
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taxes
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 20:04:01
Taxes a
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1: From the mid-sixties to the early seventies, a giant step was taken,
2:allowing more freedom than previously enjoyed. You were not around during
3:that period and when you were born, the freedoms gained were already in
4:existance. Do you think you could be living with Kristin in 1964 without
5:being arrested?
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Message: 52992
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taxes
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 20:04:01
Taxes are not always fair... they are not perfect... But without
them, where would all the roads and other services come from? Remember, it
is the PEOPLE that ask for these services to be done for them by the
government.
Did you know there are more middle income people that do not pay
taxes then there are Rich people that don't pay.... Care to argue that Rod?
It might be fair if EVERYONE paid, and that means Rich and the Poor.
Maybe 10% of your gross pay, with no exceptions. The other part would be
that Congress could not spend more than it collected no matter what!
We have to work WITHIN a budget, why not our illustrious leaders whom we
elect?
Everyone needs a place to live, but if you gave that to them free,
where would it come from? Let's face it, even I would turn very lazy and
not work if I was provided with a house and food, and so would many others.
This proves everyone must work for their home and a morgage makes that
possable.
Capatilisim is the *BEST* system in the world even if it does not
seem perfect.
SYSOP Cliff
Message: 52993
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod and Ann
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 22:42:53
I'm stunned by your messages. They indicate that you have either a> not
read any of my messages and/or b> are as stupid as JT says you are.
Dean and I have patiently attempted to explain to both of you the sad
situation this nation is in: the state is out of control, and in the name of
"public good" rights are being crushed. Why did I say Rod is hopeless Ann?
It's simple: his claim is that nothing can be done to make the world better,
and all that we have done is useless. I do not accept this fatalistic
attitude, and I work hard to change people's attitudes. You can't imagine
how frustrating it is, however, when you patiently explain that government
intervention has high costs, and someone says they agree (even calling
herself a libertarian), then says government should stop insurance companies
from making people pay for their own risks.
Anyway, to deal with some of your idiotic comments on a point-by-point
basis:
Ann: "you seem to think everything is 'hunky Dory' all the time!"
Rod: "Your continual stream of right-winged messages that indicate
everything is okay and normal in this world."
This is unsupportable blabbering. Clearly I do not believe everything is OK
in the world; quite the contrary, I continually fight against the myriad of
government and private actions which have this nation in critical disarray.
You apparently have not read anything I've ever written, or if you have,
have apparently been unable to sound out the words.
Message: 52994
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: more
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 22:50:27
Rod: Your message on taxes, which you say, have not been raised in forty
years is one such indication."
You missed the entire point, Rod. Taxes haven't been raised. I
specifically pointed out that this doesn't take into account bracket creep
(read the message again). My point was that your analysis that the "rich
raise taxes" was far too simplistic. It isn't taxation per se that's the
problem, it's the use of inflation as a tool to ease the deficit, and the
many hidden cost imposed by the government in just the stupid actions Rod
advocates -- rent control, for instance.
Rod: "I am sure you are being taught such nonsense so that you may join the
future work force of the brain dead and thus be able to carry out the edicts
of the power mongers."
Rod, do you even have a brain? As I've pointed out often, my belief in the
free market came from my own study, which was set off by reading messages by
Jim Lippard and others. Pull your head out, Rod. The power brokers are the
ones imposing all of these government controls. For instance, locksmiths in
California imposing licensing to limit entry into the profession.
Ann, the problem with Rod's posts is that he points to problems and does
little to solve them. Well, I'm doing something about them. I'm fighting
on many fronts to change the intellectual climate which accepts the rise of
statism. Your ignorance of the fact that Dean and I agree shows how you've
ignored my messages.
Message: 52995
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: more with the idiots
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 22:58:16
Rod :"If, as you say, we are doing so well, then why is it that the
majority of this nation are struggling to make their rent/mortgage,
insurance, utility and tax payments? Why are our cities so polluted, not
only with automobile emissions but with unruly gangs, slums and homeless?
Why is our military in many foreign nations, spending our money without
the consent of the majority? Are we protecting our children against
Communism, all the while letting them suffer with our deficient system?"
Why Rod? I'll take them one point at a time. The reason rents are so high
is because building a housing unit is made very expensive by government
intervention. One builder offered to build a whole bunch of shacks for
temporary homeless shelters, but the government told him they weren't up to
code so he couldn't do it. Far from saying the world is perfect, I have
been complaining about this nonsense often. Why is insurance and utilities
so high? Because, again, entry into the market place and pricing structures
are very regulated. Why are taxes so high? Because the congressmen
shamelessly pork-barrel, throwing in a multitude of spending bills
benefiting a small special interest. Why are cities polluted? Because the
chance to get out of these ghettoes have been taken away from these youths,
with pathetic public schooling, severe limits on job opportunities from
unions and minimum wages, and a weak police force constricted by activist
courts. Why is the military is so many foreign nations? Because, contrary
to what you say, voters indicate they want them there. Meanwhile, these
countries spend the money that they are saving on national defense to help
their businesses undercut ours.
Message: 52996
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: still more
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 23:00:15
I could go on, but I'm not sure why I bother. Neither of you read my
messages, you've made that clear, or if you do, you fail to read them. You
claim I believe the world is perfect. Well, that's nonsense. Idiots like
you have been sold a bill of goods that if we just get together and let the
government do things for us, protecting us from "greedy capitalists,"
everything will be OK. Well it won't, and it isn't. And it's getting worse
every day.
I'll be fighting it, as I do now. Meanwhile, you'll be helping it along and
whining into a modem about how it isn't enough.
Mankind isn't hopeless, contrary to what Rod says, but when I see your
blitherings, I have to wonder whether maybe he has a point after all.
Message: 52997
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Ann
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 23:56:03
Ann Oudin states:
'Those two posts of Rod's were excellent. They were not the ravings of a
fanatic as you both seem to think of Rod at times. There was not ONE thing
in those posts that were not the truth!'
The posts in question contained:
'I see a terrible spirit in this nation, it is a greedy, capitalistic
one that is at best self serving.'
'We need a peaceful revolution of our youth to bring mankind a step
further up the ladder of intelligence, like in the sixties.'
Ann Concludes:
'Those wern't ravings - they were very clear and precise! =*--ANN--*='
So, we see two people in total agreement that capitalism is the source
of our problems and that they have identified the cure for it. Lets
examine the statement about a peaceful revolution to see what their cure
entails.
Message: 52998
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Rod/Cont.
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 23:57:43
The only reason that it must be specifically carried out by our 'youth'
would have to be the fact that anyone else would already know better than
to destroy the best system known in favor of a failed or unknown one. The
special attractions 'youth' offer a con-artist in the realm of ideas are a
lack of experience in recognizing a rehash of a bad idea from the past, and
the desire to be a force for change.
The idea that it will bring us up the ladder of intelligence is a clear
giveaway that it is something obviously foolish. Its victims must therefore
be convinced that they are too inferior to possible comprehend it. Since
it is absolutely impossible for anyone to predict that this change in
intelligence would come about or that it would result in our suddenly
finding ideas brilliant that have already proven asinine, we have to
conclude that the 'intelligence' angle is simply a hoax.
Message: 52999
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Rod/Last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 00:00:34
Since the pattern for this revolution is to be the well documented
Sixties, we have all the evidence we need to put it to rest once and for
all as a serious attempt at improving mankind. The Sixties saw a group of
people turn to violence (although they called it peaceful) against every
vestige of civilization. They attacked every institution which had
nurtured them, not with reason and better ideas, but by doing everything
in their power to choke off reasonable debate. They shut down universities
by holding them hostage, just as they held all opposing thought hostage to
their riots and slogans. By creating a situation where all anyone wanted
to do was shut them up, they ended up getting nearly everything they
demanded without having to justify it with logic. The result, of course,
was the creation of a permanent lobby specializing in the politics of
emotion over logic on a wide range of issues and still continuing today.
Using Rod's own chosen pattern to explain what it is that he and Ann
want, we can see that it is a return to the supremacy of action over
thought. This is just the kind of situation a sub-man would desire. Why
devote time to working on practical (meaning respectful of individual
rights) solutions to the friction in a complex social engine like
capitalism, when you can just smash it and live an animal's life
in the secure and unchanging embrace of the tribe?
See you later,
Dean H.
Message: 53000
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit Chat
Subject:
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 00:50:57
wanted to be 53000.
g'nite sweet prince!
Message: 53001
Author: Mychele Nickels
Category: Question?
Subject: Iran
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 01:59:25
A major national incident, on the anniversary of the nation, and only one
post?!
Maybe the big discussion is on another board...
Message: 53002
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last...
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 02:25:25
Frankly, I am waiting for more facts to be in before the finger is
pointed. I would not put it past Iran to want a plane full of martyrs.
Who knows, maybe the plane captain was going to crash his plane right into
the Navy ship, or maybe it was truly an accident... no matter, it is still
sad so many innocent people were killed. But, they bomb our planes claiming
there are no innocent Americans. Sounds one sided to me.
SYSOP
Message: 53003
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Iran incident
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 02:47:59
Given the facts at hand, I am inclined to say that we reacted properly,
though I do regret that many innocent people are dead.
The Iranian aircraft was accelerating and descending, and did not respond to
calls on either civilian or military frequencies. It was also 4 miles off
course, a grave error in what should be considered a war zone.
Message: 53004
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: David/Error
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:46:29
You statement about the California Lockmith Permit Law, and Contractor's
License Law are incorrect.
The California Locksmith Association sponsored and supported the Locksmith
Permit Law, which requires the registration and fingerprinting of all
locksmiths that are for hire to the public. The intent of this law is to
ensure that a person convicted of a felony cannot operate as a locksmith
within the State of California. The provisions of this law even allow a
convicted felon to receive a permit if he or she can show proof of
rehabilitation.
But the CLA did not sponsor the law that most people have problems with, the
Contractor's License Law. This requires that a locksmith pass a normal
contractors test. Locksmiths having to learn about electrical, carpentry
and all the other things to become a licensed locksmith is absurd.
Locksmiths were not trying to limit new entries into the business, only
trying to make sure that felons were not. I have read of a few locksmiths
that had been imprisioned for B/E, and other assorted crimes, who take the
Foley Belsaw course in prison, and then get out and start robbing places.
Not common, but when it happens, it gets a lot of press.
(Data taken from the July, 1988 Locksmith Ledger.)
Message: 53005
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/Libertarians
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:47:09
All the alcohol was gone by the time I got there. Sundays parties were
dead.
Message: 53006
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hamilton/M Downey JR
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 05:49:09
I saw most of the show. I think the requirement for the show is that the
guests can scream very loud. Personally I think the show is second rate.
It might survive a year or two in syndication as a novelty, but I can't take
the show seriously.
Message: 53007
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 07:22:28
For once you wrote a post stating the world isn't such a great place after
all! It was kind of a shock because I always got from your posts that you
didn't really see too much wrong at all. However, I take offence at being
called stupid! I don't call you stupid for your belief's and I see no reason
why you should mine. For instance - the insurance subject. I NEVER said that
people shouldn't pay for their own risks! I did say the insurance companies
should be policed and not have free reign to charge what they like. It is
now manditory and what is preventing them from charging 50% of your pay
check at this point? What is stupid about asking a question about that? You
accuse me of not reading your posts. But are you reading mine? Why do Rod
and I get the opinion that you do think everything is 'hunky Dory' all the
time if we don't see it in your posts? But then again, you just write us off
as stupid and that truly must be what you think. I'm really sorry that you
do because we will not be able to learn anything from each other in the
future because your mind is closed. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53008
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 07:33:22
I think one of our major problems here is - we do not take one subject at a
time and discuss it! Too much is thrown in and nothing is gained but hurt
feelings. Instead, why don't we take one at a time - I.E. starving people,
wars etc. etc. and see what each other's opinions are Re: the solutions? No
deviations - staying on the subject and trying to find some answers. But
something is very wrong here -- I know for a fact that you and I do not
disagree all that much because we have talked in person several times and I
don't see where we are at odds on most things. So why arn't we communicating
better? If it is basically my fault, then tell me what I'm doing wrong. I
will try to rectify it the best I can. =*--ANN--*=
P.S. Thank you at least for not doing any name calling.
Message: 53009
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Peter/60s
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 08:13:53
Much good DID come out of the so called 'Peaceful Revolution' of the
60s! Civil Rights for one thing. Protesting against no win wars for
another. We learned that we didn't have to follow blindly everything
our parents and their parents, the schools, the government told us to
do! The Feminist's movement got started at that time - something that
was long over due. We questioned our 'sacred government' for the first
time and found it lacking. We found it human! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53010
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:19:44
Civil rights came out of the 1960s? I suspect Abraham Lincoln would have
been surprised to find that the Emancipation Proclamation was a product of
the hippie revolt. And Earl Warren would no doubt be shocked to learn that
in 1954, when he wrote the decision in Brown v. Board of Education, he was
merely reacting to unrest on college campuses in the 1960s. And as for
feminism, wouldn't Susan B. Anthony be shocked to learn that she was a
daughter of the '60s.
Message: 53011
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkhart
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:20:23
You still have not answered Ann's question: How do you justify the downing
of the Iranian airplane? Until you can answer this, your right-wing views
really cannot be taken seriously.
Message: 53012
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:23:10
Of course, high taxes and onerous bureaucracy bring about a backlash. This
is known as the "underground economy" and consists of people merely
bypassing legal restrictions on their trades. It is especially prevalent in
Latin American countries, whose bureaucracy makes ours look like a cake
walk. Basically it consists of people like LOCKSMITHS for example doing
their work, not reporting their income to the government, and not paying any
taxes. Perhaps we have a few LOCKSMITHS or other professionals on this
board who can (pseudonymously, of course) explain how easy it is to get away
with this. You see, taxes really aren't all that much of a burden, if you
know how to get around them.
Message: 53013
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michelle Reynolds
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:28:43
The following article appeared on the op-ed page of the July 4
Charlottesville (Va.) Observer:
CHANGE THE NATIONAL ANTHEM
By Michelle Reynolds
The immortal Moon Zappa once said, "I am so sure." I was reminded of
these words, and the classic Zappian spirit of irony in which they were
uttered, as I prepared for another year of banal festivities on Independence
Day.
Today, all across the nation, people are celebrating the anniversary of
something or other that happened a very long time ago. I don't exactly know
what it's about, but I know it's supposed to be really patriotic. The
problem is, kids today just aren't patriotic. That's because patriotism
hasn't kept up with the times.
Consider, for example, the National Anthem. "Oh say can you see by the
dawn's early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last
gleaming." What does this mean? I don't know. Plus, you can't dance to
the lousy song. All in all, the National Anthem has no relevance for
today's young people, and should be changed.
Congressdude Andrew Jacobs (D-Ind.) has introduced a "bill" (that's
what they call a law that is not a law yet) to change the National Anthem
from the Stars Pangled Banner to America the Beautiful. But this would be
even worse. America the Beautiful is not only banal and generally
Message: 53014
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michelle Reynolds
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 16:34:53
unsatisfactory, it is also totally gay. I mean, who wants to sing a song
about fruited planes?
There are many songs that would be far superior to either the current
National Anthem or America the Beautiful. My own preference is for the song
Rebel Yell by the composer William Idol.
Now, I do not know exactly what the song Rebel Yell is about. But
judging by the title, at least, it seems likely that it captures the
American revolutionary spirit. And it was written almost five years ago, so
it surely has the status of a classic.
It is time to abandon the ossified patriotic traditions of the past and
forge ahead into the future. Young people must keep the American Revolution
alive. Otherwise, we shall perhaps need to follow Moon Zappa's wise
admonition: "Gag me with a spoon."
###
Michelle Reynolds is the Toni Basil professor of history at Johnny Rotten
University. This article is drawn from the current issue of Burning
Toddlers magazine.
Message: 53015
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Skinheads
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 17:33:55
Ian Stuart is an English skinhead leader and a singer in
Skrewdriver. Stuart helps publish a monthly bulletin called
*Blood and Honour*. The publication reports on the
activities of racist rock bands whose music he called "a
celebration of being white." In a recent interview in his
flat in London's Islington district, Stuart said he
maintains contact with racist groups in the United States,
including Tom Metzger's organization and the Ku Klux Klan,
through CASH and Romantic Violence.
Spokesmen for the California State Department of Justice
and the FBI said those agencies had opened preliminary
investigations into the activities of skinhead gangs,
focusing on criminal behavior against minorities that might
constitute civil-rights violations.
Most of their criminal activity thus far has been
concentrated in acts like the painting of swastikas and
hate-message graffiti and other acts of vandalism against
Jewish businesses and synagogues and homes and businesses of
Hispanic and Asian immigrants and blacks.
"Virtually everywhere they are, they're engaged in
criminal activity," said Irwin Suall, head of the
fact-finding department of the Anti-Defamation League of
B'nai B'rith in New York. The league estimates that there
are approximately 2,000 neo-Nazi skinheads nationwide.
Message: 53016
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Petrisko
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 17:55:23
From the mid-sixties to the early seventies, a giant step was taken,
allowing more freedom than previously enjoyed. You were not around during
that period and when you were born, the freedoms gained were already in
existance. Do you think you could be living with Kristin in 1964 without
being arrested?
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1: I skimmed your long messages so I will re-read carefully and give an
2:answer. I did notice one thing, David, and Ann pointed it out. You said
3:some things about your beliefs which excaped me in previous messages.
4:Perhaps you are not the right-winged person I thought I was dealing with.
5:Good. In fact you said some might nice things which I was unaware of.
6:Well, at least we got our feelings out, didn't we. Now, perhaps we can
7:understand what each of us are saying or to be more exact, meaning.
8: I can see, David, where my message got your goat and caused you to
9:go a bit overboard with your feelings. Sorry you lost it because when I
10:posted my message to you I did not have any ill feelings.
11: It is all in the open and allow me to go over the posts this
12:evening.
13: Later dude,
14: Rod
15:end
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Message: 1502
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 23:09:49
No. You're a bonehead; there's a difference.
Message: 1503
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: babbling
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 03:52:08
I wasn't babbling. I was trying to teach y'all some iportant information.
There is a difference.
Pay attention!
Message: 1504
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Question?
Subject: a fellow geek
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 03:59:23
What ever happened to Dean McCarron?
Message: 1505
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 00:08:32
He didn't learn his Wesson.
Message: 1506
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 01:17:29
Dean hasn't had any in a long time. I guess he's getting oiled.
(OK, so that joke was stupid.)
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