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Message: 3867
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod???
Date: 07/05/88 Time: 18:16:02
Now that is the most positive I have seen a post from you in a long
time.... I mean you were actually proud of something.... WOW!
Cliff
Message: 3869
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last two
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 05:59:17
Right Cliff. That was real positive.
Now I hope Rod gets his tongue out of his cheek before he bites it.
Message: 3870
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Fourth
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 08:50:13
I was at work. Bleah.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 3871
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 10:35:30
You live an interesting life James. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 3872
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: the 4th
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 13:57:57
I ran across the street in down town Phoenix to watch the fireworks
and got ran over by a Mac truck. By time they revived me the fireworks were
over.
I, however, got to see quite a few stars......
Message: 3875
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 22:26:30
Well, that scratches my plans to be a lawyer. But what the heck, I probably
would have had to cheat my way through law school anyway.
Message: 3876
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last?
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 00:28:25
You know how to be cruel, don't you David.
Cliff
Message: 3877
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Lawyers
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 13:39:11
Only lawyers who cheated in school make the $20,000.
Message: 3878
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 14:23:52
probably the ones that cheated got the better grades, and thus the better
job offers upon graduation....
Message: 3879
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 15:09:34
Let's not forget The Rest of the Story .......
These lawyers who cheated in school and who managed to get better job offers
upon graduation were soon found out by their bosses ......
They then were either demoted or fired leaving them with a lower pay scale
or out there working alone.
Message: 3880
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 06:15:02
Either that, or they never passed the state bar because while they were
cheating in school, they missed all the important answers.
Message: 3881
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 11:01:12
That will take care of only a few, Paul.
What about those who cheated in school then cheated on the State Bar Exams
and then had to use deceptive practices on their clients or their bosses?
What a life, huh?
Speaking of cheating ..... two friends of mine spent 4 years in the
Grad School program trying to pass the Medical Entrance Exams. They finally
were able to pass (no thanks to their cheating) and now are in med. school.
Knowing them, they cheated their way through. I am glad I know of these two
because I would not want to put my life into their hands.
Message: 3882
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: LAST FIVE
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 12:46:25
So, how about that weather we've been having?
Message: 3883
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 13:50:29
Hot.
Message: 3884
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 19:40:56
You know it's not the heat, it's the humidity.
Hot enough for you?
Message: 3885
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:58:57
Tell me about it!
Message: 3886
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: All of youse
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 08:38:10
Where is everybody? This board is dead and so is the insult sig. No one even
contributed to the story in the void today either. Sob! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 3887
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff?
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 08:42:14
Say - I just looked and there is no 'Insult sig'! What happened to it? That
was a great, worthwhile sig. What happened to my personal category? I was a
star there along with 'Nick the Geek'! Are you really gonna take away our
glory? =*--ANNIE ... .....--*=
Message: 3888
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 17:16:40
Take two Valiums and call Apollo in the morning ......
Message: 3889
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/INSult SIG
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 18:57:36
Ann, don't you read the VOId and its on going story? Did you not
see the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP predict the INSult SIG was going to fall from
the sky into the VOId of lost posts? Did you not see where it said the 15th
of this month you and James Hawley were going to spend a day in the PHAntom
Zone... For punishment for questioning the "Mighty SYSOP" on the fall of
the INSult SIG I will now also condemn Nick Ianuzzi to the PHAntom Zone on
the 15th... This will teach you!
Message: 3890
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 03:03:46
Just as long as YOU aren't in the PZ, everything will be fine.
Message: 3891
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Me/PHAntom zone
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 04:13:04
I'm going to be out of town the 15th through the 18th. If I have to serve
time, I would rather suffer along with the rest. I suggest that the Sysop
has his little power trip another day.
As for you, Ann, this is your fault, and you shall suffer greatly for your
actions.
Message: 3892
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mighty Sysop
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 06:49:42
I'm SOOOOOO sorry to have disputed the Mighty Sysop's word, but at least, if
you are gonna put me in the Zone - wait until Nick gets back! Father Nick
needs to hear my confession and I also am curious as to what his threat is
going to be! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 3893
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: PHAntom Zone...
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 08:12:28
Okay, it will be moved to the 20th..... I may have to toss Dean
McCarron in the Zone also to please the Gods for that extra wait.
Boy Ann, you will never learn....
Message: 3894
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Question?
Subject: Huh?
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 19:54:46
What is the Below Normal SIG?
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 3895
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Phantom Zone
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 21:26:41
Better yet, why not put EVERYBODY in the Zone?
By the way, Alan, be careful asking what new SIGs are. When Cliff first
installed the Phantom Zone SIG (previously it had just been a lock-out from
log in) I asked what it was and -- you guessed it -- found myself there.
This was on a Wednesday, and I was leaving for home for Thanksgiving, and
because I was in the Zone, I didn't get to see Wednesday's messages.
When I logged on Monday, I expected to have to sit through a whole lot of
messages. Fortunately, there were only about 7 or 8, since Michelle Reynolds
had zapped all the messages.
Just a bit of BBS history.
Message: 3896
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: A-L-A-N
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 22:55:18
Are you below normal? I think maybe you are since you consider
yourself an "Elf".... Maybe that is the SIG for you.... Hmmmmm
Message: 3897
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Below Normal
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 01:06:18
Does "below normal" have anything to do with "subgenius"?
Message: 3898
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff - the Zone?
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 08:39:27
WhatdidIdonow? I am an innocent, sinless person! Pure of heart and mind. You
want to put such a person like that in the Phantom Zone? I want it clarified
as to why you are going to do such a dastardly deed to the one and only
'=*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*='??!! Can the Mighty Sysop show no mercy to the
lowly ones of his domain? Do you not remember your vow when the cos sig. was
created - 'to NOT' retaliate in anyway for what is said or drawn on that
sig? Do you want to be the one responsiable for trodding on my art talent,
therefore ruining my life? Do you not want me to draw 'real life'? Or do you
want me to be stuck with 'Still life'? =*--ANN--*=
Message: 3899
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Question?
Subject: BELOW NORMAL
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 16:49:41
You've put up a SubGenius Sig? It's about time, Clifford.
Message: 3900
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Normaly normal
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 14:23:09
I would agree that I'm a bit left of normal, but I don't know about
below normal.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 3901
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Closing?
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 10:06:58
Well, It looks like the Land Lard and I may have reached a
compromise as to the conclusion of my lease. I must pay my rent till the
end of August.....
The SALE is still on.... There are lots of good buys left....
I can still even order in from a few places if you wish to deal...such as on
the STAR printer line, or anything in the SANYO computer line.
SYSOP Cliff
Message: 3902
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: LAST
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 18:20:21
This is beginning to sound like a scam. Just what are you trying to
pull here, Kolostow??!!??
Message: 3903
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Peter
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 19:41:06
Are you just figuring out the scam? This is, after all, his 5th annual
"Going out of Business" sale.
Message: 3904
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last few...
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 20:22:21
No guys, I am going out of business... Just a few problems with
getting out of the lease and selling off the inventory durring a hard
summer. I would like to report that I am getting caught up on all my bills
and will probably not owe too much by time the doors close for good.
I have many of you to thank... You have really helped me out of a
frightening position....
Now all I need is a REAL job!
Cliff... your SYSOP ....
Message: 3905
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Last....
Subject: Job
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 05:13:01
I hear that 7-Eleven grossly overpays its employees.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 3906
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/job
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 07:02:28
THere's an opening at the Washington Station Post offics. They have been
having problems ever since I retired. Seems they can't do anything without
me!
Go for it Cliff! Straighten them out!
Message: 3907
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Gemini Sale
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 09:21:37
Got any dictaphone adaptors?
Message: 3908
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Statistics
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 12:28:20
Taken from:
REPORT TO THE NATION ON CRIME AND JUSTICE, 2nd ed.
(J 29.2: R 29.2)
U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Justice Statistics
NCJ-105506, March 1988
Facts about some serious crimes:
HOMICIDE
* Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter occur less often than other violent
UCR (FBI Uniform Crime Reports) Index crimes.
* 58% of the known murderers were relatives or acquaintances of the victim.
* 20% of all murders in 1985 occurred or were suspected to have occurred as
the result of some felonious activity.
RAPE
* Most rapes involve a lone offender and a lone victim.
* About 32% of the rapes recorded by NCS (National Crime Survey) in 1985
were committed in or near the victim's home.
* 73% of the rapes occurred at night, between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
* 58% of the victims of rape in 1985 were under 25 yrs. old.
Message: 3909
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Statistics - 2
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 12:29:27
ROBBERY
* Robbery is the violent crime that most often involves more that one
offender (in almost half of all cases in 1985).
* About half of all robberies reported by NCS in 1985 involved the use of a
weapon.
ASSAULT
* Simple assault occurs more frequently than aggravated assault.
* Most assaults involve one victim and one offender.
BURGLARY
* Residential property was targeted in 2 out of every 3 reported burglaries;
nonresidential property accounted for the remaining third.
* In 1985, 42% of all residential burglaries occurred without forced entry.
* About 37% of the no-force burglaries were known to have occurred during
the day between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m.
LARCENY - THEFT
* Less than 5% of all personal larcenies involve contact between the victim
and offender.
* Pocket picking and purse snatching most frequently occur inside
nonresidential buildings or on street locations.
* Unlike most other crimes, pocket picking and purse snatching affect the
elderly about as much as other age groups.
Message: 3910
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Stats - last
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 12:31:45
MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
* The stolen property is more likely to be recovered in this crime than in
other property crimes.
ARSON
* Single-family residences were the most frequent targets of arson.
* 16% of all structures where arson occurred were not in use.
Sources: BJS Dictionary of criminal justice data terminology,
2nd ed. 1981. BJS Criminal victimization in the U.S., 1985.
FBI Crime in the United States 1985.
----I will be posting a few more interesting tid-bits. The source will be
the same as listed in my first post.----
Message: 3911
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 12:53:59
If you want, you can work for me.
Message: 3912
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Answer!
Subject: CLIFF-JOB
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 13:03:30
Somehow I do not think Cliff would be that desperate, EH???
Well, it depends how much you are willing to pay. I am sure Cliff is worth
2-2.50$ an hour, and he will do anything for that much cash...
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 3913
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 13:52:03
ANYTHING?
Message: 3914
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Stats
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 13:53:31
MURDER MOST OFTEN RESULTS FROM ARGUMENTS
OR THE COMMISSION OF ANOTHER FELONY.
Murder was Percent of
a result of: all murders
------------ -----------
Total 100%
Arguments 39%
Felony 18%
Robbery 9
Narcotics 3
Sex offenses 2
Arson 1
Other 3
Suspected felony 2%
Other motive 18%
Unknown motive 23%
Source: FBI Crime in the United States 1985.
Message: 3915
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Stats (cont.)
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 13:54:54
THE AVERAGE THEFT LOSS FROM ROBBERY WAS $447
Value of Percent of
stolen property completed robberies
--------------- -------------------
Less than $10 18%
$10 - 49 26%
$50 - 249 32%
$250 - 999 13%
$1,000 or more 6%
Source: Robbery victims, BJS Special Report, April 1987.
* Robberies were most likely to occur in August and December and least
likely to occur in February and April.
* Robberies occurred most frequently on the street and next most frequently
at or near the victim's home.
* Victims were more likely to lose property when the incident occurred at
home, perhaps because there usually are fewer chances for interruptions at
home than in more public places.
Message: 3916
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: CLIFF
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 15:30:40
I'll pay you $2.50 to kill Steven Carls.
Message: 3917
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Answer!
Subject: Stats...
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 20:07:39
One reason, I have been told that theft is higher in August and December are
because of the Universities. August is when people move to the Universities
and are careless. And I am not sure why its high in December, but I know in
my Dorm theft is higher in those months. Maybe people are stealing stuff in
December to buy gifts, EH???
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 3918
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 21:28:47
Someone tried to steal my van last December. Christmas presents, I think.
Message: 3919
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Job for Cliff
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 23:45:46
You could always become a locksmith.
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Message: 1599
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: God Williams
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 09:01:19
I don't get offended when Christians tell me that God's wrath towards
me, as an atheist, is unbounded, and that I will suffer eternal torment in
Hell, unless I believe in this kind, loving God. I don't see why a
Christian should get offended at the reverse of that.
I admit that Rod's kids are a bit obnoxious, but what kids aren't?
BTW, my hat is secretly a talisman of Satan, and anyone that gazes upon
it will be eternal slaves of the Dark Prince. After all, Elves are not
Christian, and anything not of God is of Satan, right?
/
/ * / Alan
* *
P.S. Remind me to discuss Elfin mysticism sometime. It's rather
interesting.
Message: 1600
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Zakey baby
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 10:49:06
Yeah - James White has pointed it out to me my sinful ways. Hmmm .. maybe
he's right! But I'll ask you the same question -- 'what is so sinful about
Cliff's dong'???? I know Sandy thinks it's sacred. Can I be labeled sinful
to talk about something that is sacred? F.Y.A.H. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 1601
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 14:22:35
Yes.
Message: 1602
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: the SYSOP Speaks
Subject: This SIG
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 16:20:39
SOme of you newer users may not realize that ANYTHING goes on this
SIG. No MasterCard/Visa numbers and Phone Phreaking etc. however will be
permitted. This SIG is to get out your inner frustrations or tell a dirty
joke now and then. ALL Users should be aware of this and if you find it
offensive, ask to be removed. Membership to this SIG has only been by
request...and no youngsters allowed!
I do not agree with everything that is posted here, but I guess
a place like this is needed..... after all, we are all Adults... Right?
Except maybe little Zakkie
*=* the `Mighty` Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 1603
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: ADULTHOOD
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 18:56:30
HEY, GIVE ME A BREAK, I'M ALMOST 18.
STUCK IN ALL CAPS...
Message: 1604
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last..
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 20:26:36
See what I mean.... Being stuck in all CAPS, is as bad as phone
phreaking... The question to ponder now is, Should I return him to the
MUPit SIG (AKA TEEn SIG)or should we try and let him grow up here?
Message: 1605
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 22:31:49
Well, this IS the Cosmos SIG, so why not tell him to fuck off?
Message: 1606
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 02:15:18
Nah, just call him a dick.
Message: 1607
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 13:51:32
Nah, considering his youth ..... call him needle dick.
Message: 1608
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: question
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 19:54:11
If posting in all caps is as bad as phone phreaking, can I post about
phone phreaking as long as I don't post it in caps???
Just curious.
Message: 1609
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 23:20:15
Why not try it and see what happens?
Message: 1610
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Computer story
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 00:27:24
RRATED
Micro was a real-time operator and dedicated multi-user. His
broad- band protocol made it easy for him to interface with numerous
input/output devices, even if it meant time-sharing.
One evening he arrived home just as the sun was crashing, and
had parked his Motorola 68000 in the main drive (he had missed the
5100 bus that morning), when he noticed an elegant piece of liveware
admiring the daisy wheels in his garden. He thought to himself, "She
looks user- friendly. I'll see if she'd like an update tonight."
Mini was her name, and she was delightfully engineered with eyes
like COBOL and a Prime mainframe architecture that set Micro's
peripherals networking all over the place.
He browsed over to her casually, admiring the power of her twin,
32- bit floating point processors and inquired "How are you,
Honeywell?" "Yes, I am well," she responded, batting her optical
fibers engagingly and smoothing her console over her curvilinear
functions.
Message: 1611
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 00:29:22
Micro settled for a straight line approximation. "I'm stand-
along tonight," he said. "How about computing a vector to my base
address? I'll output a byte to eat, and maybe we could get offset
later on."
Mini ran a priority process for 2.6 milliseconds, then
transmitted "8K, I've been dumped myself recently, and a new page is
just what I need to refresh my disks. I'll park my machine cycle in
your background and meet you inside." She walked off, leaving Micro
admiring her solenoids and thinking, "Wow, what a global variable. I
wonder if she'll like my firmware."
They sat down at the process table to a top-of-form feed of
fiche and chips and a bucket of Baudot. Mini was in conversational
mode and expanded on ambiguous arguments while Micro gave occasional
acknowledgements, although, in reality, he was analyzing the
shortest and least critical path to her entry point. He finally
settled on the old "Would you like to see my benchmark subroutine,"
but Mini was again one step ahead.
Message: 1612
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 00:30:22
Suddenly, she was up and stripping off her parity bits to reveal
the full functionality of her operating system software. "Let's get
BASIC, you RAM," she said. Micro was loaded by this stage, but his
hardware policing module had a processor of its own and was in
danger of overflowing its output buffer, a hang-up that Micro had
consulted his analyst about. "Core," was all he could say.
Micro soon recovered, however, when she went down on the DEC and
opened her device files to reveal her data set ready. He accessed his
fully packed root device and was just about to start pushing into her
CPU stack, when she attempted an escape sequence.
Message: 1613
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 00:31:17
"No, no!" she piped. "You're not shielded."
"Reset, Baby," he replied. "I've been debugged."
"But I haven't got my current loop enabled, and I can't support
child processes," she protested.
"Don't run away," he said, "I'll generate an interrupt."
"No, that's too error prone, and I can't abort because of my
design philosophy."
Micro was locked in by this stage, though, and could not be
turned off. But she soon stopped his thrashing by introducing a
voltage spike into his main supply, whereupon he fell over with a
head crash and went to sleep.
"Computers," she thought as she compiled herself, "All they ever
think of is HEX."
Message: 1614
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last...
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 01:46:26
A great one Lloyd... Loved it!
Cliffart
Message: 1615
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 16:59:05
Cliff,
Stole it from Henry . I saw it on his hard drive and grabbed it.
(LL)oyd Pulley
Message: 1617
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Question ?
Subject: Elfin mysticism
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 17:26:29
Alan, what mythos are you refering to when you talk about Elfin mysticism,
EH??? Please discuss this interesting topic, EH???
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 1618
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: K & Ritchie
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 16:54:30
KERNIGHAN AND RITCHIE
On the shores of discovery, in earlier days
All things were done the most Basic of ways;
We once pulled together, my old friends and me,
But life takes its course, and they've all gone to C.
Kernighan and Ritchie
worked for AT&T;
Kernighan and Ritchie
made a language they called 'C';
Kernighan and Ritchie
hated keywords like sin;
Kernighan and Ritchie
put lots of puntuation in!
Every little symbol
is worth a line of code;
Compilation's finished
before the source can load;
A complex algorithm
is amazingly compact --
You can write it on a postcard,
but you'll never read it back!
Message: 1619
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Last (last)
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 16:55:13
Don't try to read a program, if it's written in C;
You'll never grasp the meaning - it's as cryptic as can be.
Now everyone hates Basic, though it works for any freak --
But Kernighan and Ritchie
saved the software cat's mystique!
(c) 1985 by Jack Carroll*
Message: 1620
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 19:47:28
Very entertaining, but it shows too much respect for the language...
Rev. Beau
Message: 1621
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 01:41:54
Okay.....you didn't like that one, let's try this one .....
(sung to the tune of "Oh Lord, Won't You Buy Me a Mercedes Benz"
by Janis Joplin).........
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a PC/AT,
The high-tech revolution is waiting for me,
Hacked hard all my Sundays on an Apple-IIe,
So, oh Lord, won't you buy me a PC/AT?
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Color Display?
The Dungeons of Doonquest are no fun in gray,
Got my new color joystick, I'm waiting to play,
So, oh Lord, won't you buy me a Color Display?
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Microsoft Mouse,
My life isn't complete without one in the house,
I can live without Windows, I don't mean to grouse,
But, oh Lord, won't you buy me a Microsoft Mouse?
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a PC/AT,
The high-tech revolution is waiting for me,
Hacked hard all my Sundays on an Apple-IIe,
So, oh Lord, won't you buy me a PC/AT?
Message: 1622
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer !
Subject: l
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 01:42:15
(c) 1986 Larry Stone
Message: 1623
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: LLoyd
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 05:53:15
That last one was pretty good. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 1624
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Opinion
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 10:42:10
With the exception of the last few "creative writing" posts, I think it
would be entirely justified to rename this board to the SIG.
Message: 1625
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: OH LORD
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 17:56:47
Nope, don't like that one either. MS-DOS sucks.
Rev. Beau
Message: 1626
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 21:20:26
Okay B. Dog, we'll keep trying till we find one that satisifies your
high ideals....(warning this one's gonna be in 2-3 parts)....
JOHN HENRY BROUGHT DOWN TO DATE
When Macpherson was a little baby
Sitting on his daddy's knee
He picked up a slide rule and Rubber Bible* book -
Engineerin's gonna be the game for me, MIT
Engineerin's gonna be the game for me.
Now the word came down for the bosses
Gonna get us a computer here.
Gonna get us a giant electronic brain.
That computer can outthing an engineer, IBM
That computer can outthink an engineer.
Now the man who invented the computer
Had a vacuum tube for a heart.
Its tapes spun around, and it made funny sounds
As soon as he typed in START, IBM
As soon as he typed in START.
Message: 1627
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: More on last
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 21:24:53
Macpherson said to the super
"All those chips don't mean a damn.
All those buttons and tapes and yards of wire
They cannot outdo a thinkin' man, MIT
They cannot outdo a thinkin' man."
Now the super said to Macpherson
"Hey, your hands are on fire, doncha know?"
Macpherson said to the super, "Man,
That's only my slide rule's working glow, MIT
That's only my slide rule's working glow."
Now Macpherson designed fourteen bridges;
The computer only did nine.
But he worked so fast that his slide rule melted down
And he said, "Looks like I'm gonna die, RIP
Look's like I'm gonna die."
Oh, they took Macpherson to the graveyard
And they dug down six feet deep.
But then he started mumblin' how much earth they'd moved
And they saw he was a-thinkin' in his sleep, MIT
They saw he was a-thinkin' in his sleep.
Message: 1628
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last on Mcpherson
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 21:26:47
Now Macpherson, he's still a-working;
Yes, Macpherson's doin' fine.
He threw away his old beatup slide rule and got
The top of the HP line MIT,
The top of the HP line.
Copyright (c) 1983 by Lee Gold and Ted Johnstone
* The Rubber Bible is the Chemical Rubber Company's Handbook
of Chemistry and Physics
Message: 1629
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 21:47:40
Acceptable, thanks. Or does this mean you stop?
Rev. Beau
Message: 1630
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer !
Subject: Elfin Mysticism
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 05:16:16
I am most familiar with the Pinis' mythos, though I know a lot about the
Tolkien mythos too.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 1631
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Real Life for sure
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:29:56
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%%(o)_(o)%% The LOVELY
%%% _ %%%
%%% D %%% SANDY SYSOPETTE
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__%%%_____%%%__ Fair of face.
/ %%% %%% \
/ / %% %% \ \ Hair like Angel's wings.
/ / o \ \
/ / o \ \ A Form Devine.
/ /\___/ o \____/\ \
\ \ \ o / / /
\ \ \ o / / / (Taken from 'Real' life!
\ \ \____o____/ / / All other past drawings
Message: 1632
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: More vindication
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:31:15
\\\\\\\
((( _ _ )))
(( o o ))
Message: 1633
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last two
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:33:41
I do by vow and swear to never again draw an unflattering picture of the
Mighty Sysop and the Mighty Sysopette! Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 1634
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:34:17
See what time in the 'Zone' does to a person.
Message: 1635
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 15:09:48
Kind of reminds me of what happened to Steve Dallas when he was kidnapped by
aliens.
Message: 1636
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: #1629/B.Dog
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 15:48:46
I don't know...does that mean you want me to stop?
Message: 1637
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: poetry
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 18:05:08
No, you may continue, and I will continue to comment.
Message: 1638
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 22:09:43
What's that thing hanging out of Cliff's pocket?
Message: 1639
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 01:04:30
That's not a pocket. See, a childhood accident resulted in Cliff's penis
being displaced by several inches, and now it comes out of his leg. That's
why he enjoys bouncing people on his knee.
Message: 1640
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: For B.Dog
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 01:48:19
01, 10, 11, 100
In Binary language, 00 is none,
Which cannot be said to be new.
Nor is it novel that 01 is one,
But in Binary, 10 is two!
If you ponder and strive, perhaps you'll contrive
A matrix form which you will see
That 101 stands for the numeral five,
While the simple 11 equals three.
Computer of course speak Binary perforce,
Though we mortals the language abhor;
We'd sooner endorse the numerical Morse
But we're not who the language is 100.
(c) 1988 Fracis Cartier
Message: 1641
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer !
Subject: James/pocket
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 07:22:04
There was no pocket. His pants were just too short is all. I should have
drawn them below his knees to be able to properly cover him.
Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 1642
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: binary
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 10:45:12
Best one yet, thanks!
Message: 1643
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Fleas
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 14:20:15
Since I have not seen this joke posted as Cliff said he would .......
I will post it. If Cliff happened to post this joke earlier, excuse the
repetition .................
What is smaller than a teenie weenie flea?
A flea's teenie weenie.
(seemed appropriate at this time in light of Ann's drawing of Cliff)
Message: 1644
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: All you assholes
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 16:30:36
Stop this fucking mindless bullshit.
Message: 1645
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 19:55:13
Yes, bullshit is mindless ....... but I will have to disagree with
you about bullshit being able to fuck.
Get another life! Preferably one that went to a decent Health
(another word for SEX) Education class.
Message: 1646
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: James
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 23:47:55
You WILL stop it yourself.
Message: 1647
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Up Yours
Subject: Taranto
Date: 07/24/88 Time: 00:27:14
If you don't like it, either start a conversation (how about one of our
best-sellers, Philosophy?) or GET OUT OF HERE.
Reverend Beauregard Jackson Culpeper Dog, Colonel, CSA, retired
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Message: 1507
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 00:59:00
Dean has been on within the past few days. I guess he doesn't have anything
to say to you geeks.
Message: 1508
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 23:19:54
Wise fellow.
Message: 1509
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Time Zones
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 23:25:45
It is three hours later for my body, I was in EDT last week.
Someone mentioned on another board that JT lives an interesting life. This
was, I think, in response to that hilarious post about getting people in DC
to sing the national anthem on the Metro.
JT lives an interesting life only in his dreams.
Rev. Beau
Message: 1510
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 01:59:28
I disagree. If you ever hang around with him for a while, you'll find it
can be interesting-- sometimes, downright embarrassing.
Message: 1511
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 01:09:33
Details?
Message: 1512
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 23:37:32
A New York magazine, right?
Message: 1513
Author: $ Dean McCarron
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ahem. . .
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 23:46:18
I haven't been on lately because, in the terms of Nikki Kalua,
I "got a real life."
Guess that means I'm not a geek anymore.
Anyway, I've been busy with other nice activities, which is why I'm up at so
late an hour tonight.
Dean
Message: 1514
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mr. Former Geek
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 00:16:57
brag brag brag.
Message: 1515
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: hmm
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 23:19:17
That's odd, because I'm up so late because I DON'T have a life.
Well, none to speak of, anyway. All my friends went home for the summer
(I'm at summer school, by the way). I've been trying to rent some new
friends, but rates keep going up.
Message: 1516
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean's life
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 23:57:10
I thought it was just because you bought a house.
Rev. Beau
Message: 1517
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 00:18:20
It seems he came into a lot of money, and can keep up with rent-a-pal rates.
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Message: 53028
Author: Afro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: I is back!
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 11:35:01
I sees you folks is still picken on mah man Rod Williams again. What fo
you wanna do dat fo? HE sees de things as deh really are and all of
youins have you heads in deh holes or sumpin. He doze make this old
world a bettar place and all you alls are doing is quotting from deh
books or sumpin. You alls notting but a bunch oh babyies that ain't
lived long enoff to knows better. OR you is not loking around enuff.
Alls youin is doing is making excuses for how deh world is and doing
nuffing bout it.
Deh only thing him and I does not agree with is God. But I is praying
for his soul dally. But that don't means he ain't right about deh other
stuff. Why don't youse open up yous brains and harts to what he is
tring to tells you and quite makin dem excuses for youselves alls the
time. Grow up!
Yous freind Afro Poet - Apollos token negro.
Message: 53030
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Corbin Recall
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 14:14:43
Anyone interested in signing the Recall Corbin petitions can do so
at Gemini Computers or leave me E-mail.
Message: 53031
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann on Equal Rights?
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 16:40:04
Ann, when are MEN going to get equal rights? As a rule in a
divorce, the Woman gets almost everything and the Man pays and pays
out his nose the rest of his working life. (Note: Not all woman do this to
their X-husbands). Several years ago I watched in disbelief while my
brother went though this.... The wife got it all....
I believe in equal rights... just don't forget us men!!
Cliff
Message: 53032
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Kafka
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 17:19:10
From "Description of a Struggle":
ii A Walk
I walked on, unperturbed. But since, as a pedestrian, I
dreaded the effort of climbing the mountainous road, I let
it become gradually flatter, let it slope down into a valley
in the distance. The stones vanished at my will and the
wind disappeared.
I walked at a brisk pace and since I was on my way down I
raised my head, stiffened my body, and crossed my arms
behind my head. Because I love pinewoods I went through
woods of this kind, and since I like gazing silently up at
the stars, the stars appeared slowly in the sky, as is their
wont. I saw only a few fleecy clouds which a wind, blowing
just at their height, pulled through the air, to the
astonishment of the pedestrian.
Opposite and at some distance from my road, probably
separated from it by a river as well, I caused to rise an
enormously high mountain whose plateau, overgrown with
brushwood, bordered on the sky. I could see quite clearly
the little ramifications of the highest branches and their
movements. This sight, ordinary as it may be, made me so
happy that I, as a small bird on a twig of those distant
scrubby bushes, forgot to let the moon come up.
Message: 53033
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Kafka
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 17:28:11
It lay already behind the mountain, no doubt angry at the
delay.
But now the cool light that precedes the rising of the
moon spread over the mountain and suddenly the moon itself
appeared beyond one of the restless bushes. I on the other
hand had meanwhile been gazing in another direction, and
when I now looked ahead of me and suddenly saw it glowing in
its almost full roundness, I stood still with troubled eyes,
for my precipitous road seemed to lead straight into this
terrifying moon.
After a while, however, I grew accustomed to it and
watched with composure the difficulty it had in rising,
until finally, having approached one another a considerable
part of the way, I felt overcome by an intense drowsiness
caused, I assumed, by the fatigue of the walk, to which I
was unaccustomed. I wandered on for a while with closed
eyes, keeping myself awake only by a loud and regular
clapping of my hands.
But then, as the road threatened to slip away from under
my feet and everything, as weary as myself, began to vanish,
I summoned my remaining strength and hastened to scale the
slope to the right of the road in order to reach in time the
high tangled pinewood where I planned to spend the night
that probably lay ahead of us.
Message: 53034
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Kafka
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 17:39:03
The haste was necessary. The stars were already fading
and I noticed the moon sink feebly into the sky as though
into troubled waters. The mountain already belonged to the
darkness, the road crumbled away at the point where I had
turned toward the slope, and from the interior of the forest
I heard the approaching crashes of collapsing trees. Now I
could have thrown myself down on the moss to sleep, but
since I feared to sleep on the ground I crept - the trunk
sliding quickly down the rings formed by my arms and legs -
up a tree which was already reeling without wind. I lay
down on a branch and, leaning my head against the trunk,
went hastily to sleep while a squirrel of my whim sat
stiff-tailed at the trembling end of the branch, and rocked
itself.
My sleep was deep and dreamless. Neither the waning moon
nor the rising sun awoke me. And even when I was about to
wake up, I calmed myself by saying, "You made a great effort
yesterday, so spare your sleep," and went to sleep again.
Although I did not dream, my sleep was not free from a
continuous slight disturbance. All night long I heard
someone talking beside me. The words themselves I could
hardly hear - except isolated ones like "bench ... by the
river," "cloudlike mountains," "trains ... amidst shining
smoke"; what I did hear was the special kind of emphasis
Message: 53035
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Kafka
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 17:40:25
placed on them; and I remember that even in my sleep I
rubbed my hands with pleasure at not being obliged to
recognize single words, since I was asleep.
Message: 53036
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: Closing out....
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 18:49:40
I still have lots of inventory I m
Message: 53037
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: ANN/RIGHTS
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 19:17:50
Ann says:
'Are you really so nieve to think that Lincoln freed the black people and
that S. Anthony really seceeded is getting woman equals rights? They made
it a legality is all. In a sense, the blacks are still not free and the
women definately do not have equal rights! You can do better than that
James. =*--ANN--*= '
The right to your own life, to use and dispose of your property as you
see fit, and to keep or dispose of the fruits of your own labor as you see
fit are legitimate rights. They do not depend on taking something away from
anyone else.
The end of slavery and the recognition of the rights of blacks and
women to vote and own property are nothing according to you. You are only
interested in 'rights' which are really a special permission to violate the
rights of others. Those who say that blacks are not free and that women do
not have equal rights are really just demanding even more of these licenses
to violate other's legitimate rights.
The problem is in the definition of rights. Anything which requires
another to act in your behalf against their will is not a legitimate right,
it is just another form of slavery.
Message: 53039
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro Poet
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 20:07:48
Thanks for the Kafka posts.
Beautiful.
Carol->
Message: 53040
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: BURKHART
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 21:35:43
You used to be such a polite young man.
Message: 53041
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 22:05:36
I've been corrupted by the evil influences of California.
As I recall, you used to be pretty darn polite too, politer than I ever was,
around four years ago. What's your excuse?
Message: 53042
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim Lippard
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 22:06:30
Oops. I'll look for some evidence, but I was basing that on an article from
1986. It may have changed since. I also should have specified personal
income taxes.
Message: 53043
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 22:24:11
Not at all. The elimination of the minimum wage would allow low skill
workers (who are disproportionately minorities) to enter the work force, and
gain basic skills in how to hold down a job, thus allowing them to move up.
Instead, we have them unemployed, and then have to tax those who are working
to pay unemployment, and (ironically) subsidize programs such as Job Corps,
to teach the skills they could be learning being productive in the work
force. In South Africa, unions also advocate minimum wage. Economist Walter
E. Williams (author of _The State Against Blacks_) quotes the secretary of
the racist Building Workers Union: "There is no job reservation [that is,
jobs restricted to whites] left in the building industry, and in the
circumstances I support the rate for the job [minimum wage] as the second
best way of protecting our white artisans."
Walter Williams points out he probably never would have gotten out of the
ghetto without low-paying jobs available when he was a teenager. Milton
Friedman makes a similiar point when he says that it was those low-paying
jobs that allowed his immigrant parents to gain a foothold in America.
Let them work and be productive. If the wage is not a "living wage,"
government aid programs should help (currently, they mostly do not provide
incentives to those working).
The minimum wage is perhaps one of the most racist and anti-poor acts of
government in the 20th century, precisely because its effects are so
invisible.
Message: 53044
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Paul Savage
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 00:34:28
Was that you I heard on KYFI yesterday morn? I did not catch the
beginning of it, but when I turned it on it sure sounded like you...
And the fact that person was defending the P.O.
Cliff
Message: 53045
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 05:31:56
Yep. 'Twas I.
Message: 53046
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David/wage
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 08:59:42
I agree with you re: minimum wages. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53047
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean/rights
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 09:03:53
Where did you get all that from my post? I hardly think that when I made the
statement that the blacks still arn't free and woman still do not have equal
rights that I am 'trying to violate other's legitimate rights' (Your quote)
In fact - your post didn't make too much sense. Could you be more specific?
Do you think the blacks are free and woman have equal rights now? See you.
=*--ANN--*=
Message: 53048
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/men
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 09:07:54
You are absolutely right - it is terrible that the courts award woman so
much in divorces. It is getting better - but not much. Out of a 100 divorces
- 85 women will come away with all the gravy. Most of the time I find it is
because of woman's revenge! Why can't the judges see through this?
=*--ANN--*=
Message: 53049
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 14:02:24
Women deserve all the gravie they can get, considering what they
had to put up with -------- MAN.
Message: 53050
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 15:04:48
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
(stay tuned here folks, see if the SYSOP's go to WAR)
Message: 53051
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 15:14:19
See what I mean .........
A typical animal ---- can do nothing but growel.
Message: 53052
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: alimony
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 16:04:42
The courts are becoming much less willing to award large alimonies to women,
given that many women are now in better financial positions than their
ex-husbands.
Message: 53053
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: WO-men
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 16:54:49
Men are in poor financial positions because their women
drove them there.... Women, the root of all evil.....
SYSOP Cliff
Message: 53054
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 17:05:19
Typical man ....... blaming the woman for his problems.
Message: 53055
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Joke
Subject: Who's ON First?
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 17:25:10
Auditor Talking To Password Administrator:
Can you tell me your password?
"Password".
Yes. What is it?
"No. 'What' is Dan's".
Who is Dan?
"No it isn't. 'Who' is being used by Jeff".
How should I know; that's personal. OK, tell me Lois's password?
"When"
Right now. I need to know who has which.
"That's easy. 'Which' belongs to Jerry".
I don't know. I'm asking you. Let me approach it another way.
Where and Why are passwords used?
"Yes. By Bruce and Sheryl".
Does anybody else use them?
"No, they can't, they belong to Bruce and Sheryl".
All passwords belong to Bruce and Sheryl?
"No. 'All' passwords belong to the Applications group".
I thought other people used them.
"Impossible, I won't allow it".
So far you haven't told me who has what and why I don't know.
"Yes I did. I told you Dan and Sheryl use them".
You're a good Password Administrator. You have them well guarded.
"Thanks"
Message: 53056
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 18:15:14
Ann asks: Do you think blacks are free and women have equal rights?
No, blacks are not free because their legitimate rights to their own
lives, property, and earnings are being usurped by the government just
like yours and mine are. Do they need more special interest legislation
or regulations intended to give them advantages at the expense of others?
No.
No, women do not have 'equal rights', because their legitimate rights
as Americans are being trampled in the same stampede as everyone else's.
As long as none of us have our basic rights, none of us can say that we
have anything but 'equal damage'.
For people to divide into groups and squabble over the 'right' to tax
or regulate everyone else for their specific benefit; while their own most
basic rights are under attack by this very process, is like rats fighting
over poisoned cheese.
You seem to have missed the connection between special interest 'rights'
and the destruction of legitimate rights. Think about the policies you
are demanding to enforce this 'equality'. Who acts on who's behalf, and
who pays for it all? Are these policies consistent with the legitimate
rights we should all have?
Message: 53057
Author: Johnny Bgoode
Category: Politics
Subject: ::::::::::::
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 19:11:17
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Message: 53058
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 23:23:30
Hmm, looks like a Jesse Jackson supporter.
Message: 53059
Author: Ayatollah Khomeini
Category: War!
Subject: The Great Satan!!!!!
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 01:22:27
You American scum are going to pay for the 290 glorious martyrs of the
Islamic Republic! Death to America! Death to Reagan! Death to the USA Navy!
Death to all of you! F*** Hitler - he never shot at a craft of innocent and
glorious Iranians!
Message: 53060
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 02:39:43
You guys are just jealous because those cheapo Silkworms of yours couldn't
hit the broad side of a barn.
Message: 53061
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Question?
Subject: Min. wage
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 05:03:57
Why would an employer hire more people if he already has a sufficient
workforce, regardless of how low wages get?
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53062
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff vs. Sandy
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 06:13:08
Now, now children! Stop your squabbling on the BBS!
Love one another!
Message: 53063
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 08:46:48
You are right in saying that women & blacks have the same freedom and
non-freedoms as anyone else, but I wasn't talking about the basics. Let me
give you an example that just happened in the past two months -- we bought a
house in New River that was run down. My husband re-modeled it and put it on
the market. The woman that lived next door is (was) our realistate broker
that sold it to us. Well, some black people were highly interested in it and
had been out several times to look at the progress of the re-modeling. One
day she took my husband aside and asked him if he intended to sell to those
'niggers'? HE replied that if they had the money, he certainly would. She
didn't say much after that, but he got busy and turned the selling over to
her. We don't know exactly what happened, but she sold it to someone else
(white). We are positive she made sure her neighbors were not black. Later
we learned she really was prejudiced and absolutely hated blacks. I talked
to her about it as to why she hated them and she said for no reason in
particular - they just didn't belong with whites! My husband now has another
re-modeled house finished which he is selling himself and a black family is
really trying to buy it. The neighbors behind it and on one side are having
fits that he might sell to niggers! The guy behind threatens to move if we
sell to them. He asks my husband daily if these people qualify for the loan!
Do you think that if these people were white, there would be this
controversy? I'm always amazed at the number of people that feel this way.
Especially in this day and age. As long as this sort of stupidity goes on -
they are not free. Only on paper! This is the type of thing I was talking
about. See you later. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53065
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/housing
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 11:11:10
Studies done on crime rates in American neighborhoods have shown an
interesting trend. The first blacks to move into a neighborhood are middle
/upper income and middle class people. What follows are the lower/middle
income and lower class blacks.
The studies show the trend but can not explain why ......
It has been suggested that someone should consider a study to find the
answer.
Generally, the first blacks to move into a neighborhood are OK
people. It is what follows them that should concern the neighborhood.
Message: 53066
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/Blacks
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 11:34:44
Don't be ludicrous. Any irresponsible person can damage a house. To state
that blacks bring down the property value may be true in some biggoted
neighborhoods, but certainly not in all. It is ILLEGAL to discriminate in
the renting of housing. But by your reasoning, not only do most blacks bust
houses up, but they bring down the neighborhoods value. So by that
assumption alone, you shouldn't rent to them then?
I have had Hispanics and blacks as neighbors much of my life. There have
been some I liked, and some I haven't. I think that is normal for
neighbors. I am ashamed for the US that this kind of bigotry still exists
here.
Oh, what a nice little pickaninny, right?
Message: 53067
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 12:10:34
James, you are taking a specific example of an occurance in our
neighborhood and generalizing on it .... shame on you.
By the way, it is not biggoted neighborhoods that have their property values
drop if the lower class black moves in. The property values drop in a
neighborhood when biggoted people want to buy.
I take it then that if a neighborhood is fighting against having a
sewer plant next to them because it would lower their property values then
these people are biggots? Or are against having horses stabled next to them
are they again biggots? Money knows no color.
If it is shown that too many blacks in a neighborhood bring down
property values ... from a monetary stand point, I would be concerned.
If it is shown that too many lower income housing projects bring down
property values ... from a monetary stand point, I would be concerned.
If it is shown that when you, James, move into a neighborhood and
property values decrease ... from a monetary stand point, I would be
concerned. I would like you as a friend, but would be financially better off
if you were not my neighbor.
Am I a biggot? I don't think so .... just being cautious in
financial matters.
Message: 53069
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: MORTON DOWNEY JR.
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 12:55:02
Only in this country could a loudmouth redneck have his own syndicated
talk show.
Kinda makes me proud to be an American, ya know what I mean, baby?
(Not only that, but thanks to Downey, I now know how the other,
conservative, half lives.)
Message: 53071
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: Super Buys
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 14:25:17
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Message: 53072
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Blacks
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 15:45:11
I am leaving on vacation now, but in two weeks I will be back and we can
discuss this further. I would like to go into the principles involved and I
think that this can serve much better than a random discussion of events.
In the meantime, does being free mean being able to force others to do
business with you against their will? Is there any remedy for misconceptions
about people that works as well as the free market (if there were such a
thing)? What kind of forces would make a black family pay high market for a
home and then proceed to destroy its value through neglect?
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 53073
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Homes
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 16:02:13
Homeowners do not have any right to a particular property value. When you
buy a home, one of the risks you take is that its value will go down. I
have the right to sell my home to whomever I wish, regardless of the effect
on the neighbors' property values. Claims that blacks lower property values
sound to me like a smokescreen for racism, anyway.
Message: 53074
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 16:03:40
You're right, college students taking over buildings deserve more credit
than people like Abraham Lincoln and Susan B. Anthony.
Message: 53075
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hamilton
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 16:07:25
Don't be silly. Demand for labor is no more static than demand for anything
else. If you forcibly raise wages, you are going to decrease employment
because it will be less profitable to hire employees. The workers most hurt
by this will be the ones with the least experience and skills, who could
profit from a low-paid job to at least get themeselves into the work force.
Talk of a "minimum wage" is really illusory. Whatever the legal minimum is,
the true minimum wage will always be 0: You don't work, you don't get paid.
The higher the legal minimum, the more people will earn the real minimum of
0.
Message: 53076
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Hey
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 16:15:33
Did anyone hear me on KGIL this afternoon?
Message: 53077
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Lunacy
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 19:18:35
The U.S. Naval Observatory is conducting an experiment to
test models that predict when the thinnest lunar crescent
becomes visible after a new moon. Everyone can participate.
Thursday, July 14, 1988, offers the next opportunity to make
a significant test of the models in North America.
Observers are needed all across North America, Central
America, the Caribbean, and the northern parts of South
America - the southern observations are especially
important. It's easy to join: all you need is a clear, flat
western horizon. This is critical, since the moon will be
best visible when it is roughly 2 to 5 degrees above the
true (ideal) horizon.
Observers should be outside from roughly half an hour to
one hour after sunset. You may use the naked eye or
binoculars. But try to spot the moon with the unaided eye,
even if you do use optical aid. If you find the crescent
first with binoculars, it may then be relatively easy to
pick it up without them.
For more details, see the July 1988 issue of Astronomy or
Sky & Telescope magazines.
Be sure to supply all the data mentioned below so that
your observations will be of the most use.
Message: 53078
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Lunacy
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 19:27:19
Observation Report
Name:
Address:
Observing location:
Was moon visible to the naked eye?
Was moon sighted in binoculars?
If so, was a naked-eye sighting also made?
Exact times when moon was observed:
Weather conditions:
Relative humidity:
Temperature:
Sky conditions near horizon:
Clear?
Hazy?
Cloudy?
Age of observer:
Observer's eyesight:
Glasses? Farsighted? Nearsighted?
Please send this information to:
Moonwatch
Nautical Almanac Office
U.S. Naval Observatory
Washington D.C., 20392, U.S.A.
Message: 53079
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandy/trends
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 06:19:32
I have my own theory about why sometimes the value of property goes down
when a black family comes into a neighborhood! -- some whites move - other
whites find out a black family lives there, they don't buy in that
neighborhood - eventually another black family moves in - this causes the
value to go down even more- other whites move, selling their houses at more
of a loss - then other, lesser income blacks move in on down the line until
they get that element of blacks (people) that don't care about how they
live, their yards or their neighbors. This also happens in all white
neighborhoods too, but we are talking about blacks right now. For once - I
agree with JT - this is nothing but a smokescreen for racism! It is not the
blacks fault for the decline of the neighborhood - but the prejudiced whites
that move in the first place!
A sewage plant or horses are not the same as being prejudiced against a
race. No one wants to live next door to a sewage plant and one would not be
prejudiced to feel that way. But to not want a black family in the
neighborhood because the property values might go down - is! A landlord by
law, must not deny renting to blacks - it is also the law in selling a
house, but this goes on all the time. Right now there are three families
interested in buying a house we have (the blacks have the most money and the
best credit) - if we were prejudiced, we could just sell to the whites and
nobody would know the difference and we couldn't be fined for it. We have a
black family that moved in last year behind us and I can't see where it
harms anything - yet some of our neighbors grumble about it. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53080
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 06:20:06
Bon Voyage! Have a nice fun trip. See you later. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53081
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/riots
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 06:37:55
They were fighting for something they believed in. Why do you hold Lincoln
in such high regard? He wanted to free the slaves and send them back to
Africa. History does not prove he was not prejudiced. Because it was a good
political move, he was for freeing them. The Civil war only freed them on
paper and nothing else. Martin Luther King did much more than Lincoln ever
did! As far as the 60's riots - some were justified. Even though that was a
terrible period in America, a lot of good came out of it. Before that - we
blindly believed in justice for all when it didn't exists. We revered our
politicians like gods. We went along following a 'sheep's' path and not
rocking the boat. That changed in the 60's. If you look at the history books
- you will find a trend of people uprising against it's
government/rulers/dictators at some point in time. The 60's was a small
uprising in comparison to some. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53082
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ZAP! You're dead!
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 18:24:58
I'd better get off before I'm forcibly logged off.... not by Cliff, but
by a lightning strike to a power line!
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53083
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: New Manual?
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 19:45:05
Sandy and I are working on the new long awaited 7.2 Apollo BBS
Manual. We plan to type set it on a BLazer Printer.....
SYSOP Cliff
Message: 53084
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Trashy Text
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 22:54:28
'Wafted to Mars, he fights four-armed green Tharks'
by Richard Wolkomir
"I used to take out seven books at a time from the library,"
S.J. Perelman once confessed, "and sit in the kitchen, with
my feet in the oven, eating cookies and reading trash."
Right move, S.J. As a former junk-literature junkie
myself, I know you can't kick the habit until you publicly
admit you're hooked. Space operas, mysteries, oaters,
fan-at-the-bodice romances - whatever has you in its
clutches, own up. Recount the plots until you blush for
shame and vow never again to abuse your mind with such
swill.
My own addiction began at age 8, with *Tarzan of the Apes*.
My mind fizzed with images of chatty primates swinging on
lianas. I snorted heavy stuff, too, junk-lit classics like
*Robinson Crusoe* ("Me die when you bid die, master," said
Friday), *Treasure Island* ("Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!")
and *King Solomon's Mines* ("'Koom! Koom!' he ejaculated").
I OD'd on Sherlockiana, greeting strangers with statements
like "beyond the obvious facts that you are a bachelor, a
solicitor, a Freemason and an asthmatic, I know nothing
whatever about you."
(continued)
Message: 53085
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last???
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 00:10:32
What was that?
Message: 53086
Author: Brian Tuchman
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: hi there!!
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 03:24:51
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Message: 53087
Author: Ron Whisler
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Viet Veterans
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 11:30:55
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Message: 53088
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Trashy Text
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 15:01:32
Then I hit the bottom: comic books. Memory blurs. I see
gangsters tommy-gunning their way to the moral: CRIME DOES
NOT PAY. Mesomorphic superheroes walk city streets in
tights and capes without anyone pointing and giggling. A
pathetic monster-hero rises from a city dump, the sad
product of household chemicals and industrial wastes
reacting with discarded cold cuts.
On under-the-covers-with-a-flashlight-science-fiction
expeditions, I met advanced Betelgeusean gnats speaking BBC
English. I popped whodunits like amphetamines. But I'm off
the stuff now. After joining a Great Books Discussion
Group, I'm into Aristotle and Kant. It feels good to wake
up clean.
I think back to those lost decades when I mainlined books
like *Tom Swift and His House on Wheels* ("Bless my opera
glasses! It's Tom Swift!" said Mr. Damon), while my poor
mind orbited Alpha Centauri. I wonder, why?
Elvis Presley, accepting an award from the Jaycees, said
that as a kid, he had been a dreamer and had read comic
books. In every story, he said, "I was the hero." It's
true. Trash-lit can waft you on currents of overwrought
prose to lurid realms of derring-do.
In the land of Trash, villains are totally rancid, so that
a hero like Tarzan can beat his chest guiltlessly after
Message: 53089
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Trashy Text
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 15:09:01
dispatching a foe, and howl the good howl. Trashland's
moral accounting always balances, blackguards rebuked,
laurels to the brave. The race is always to the Swift, Tom
or otherwise.
Trashland also is soothingly predictable. When trouble
bubbles, Clark Kent invariably pops into a phone booth to
change into Superman, and he never bangs his elbows pulling
off his pants. Why Clark Kent needed phone booths to molt
into Superman, or why Superman needed Clark, I never knew or
cared. Batman, Spiderman, they all had secret identities,
just as all private eyes talked tough and ironic, and good
cowboys eschewed black haberdashery - except Hopalong
Cassidy, who at least had white hair. And the heroines of
Trashland were always stunning and chaste, although skimpy
dressers.
Message: 53090
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Question?
Subject: REAL ESTATE BBS
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 15:16:39
Anyone know of any Valley BBSs catering to the real estate agents?
Message: 53091
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro/Trashy Text
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 15:43:27
Hey, there's someone else that's read "Tom Swift"?
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53092
Author: Bill Salina
Category: In search of
Subject: QL COMPUTER
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 17:08:47
DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A QL COMPUTER FOR SALE OR A PLACE THAT HAS ANY INFO
ON THE QL SYSTEM. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FINDING ONE AND WILL PAY
A GOOD PRICE. THANKS
Message: 53093
Author: Buck Rogers
Category: Answer!
Subject: Fusion Engines
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 21:31:44
Regarding good old Jack Flashes comments about fusion engines,
SO WHAT !!!!!!
Message: 53094
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: War!
Subject: Out to get me!
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 23:47:28
I've finally figured it out, youse guys are out to get me!!!!!
If I'm busy and can only log on once every 2-4 days, there are 10 umpteen
million new messages and I don't even hardly have time to read them, much
less respond to any.
But if I have the time to call once a day (or even twice in one day),
then there's almost no new messages!
(LL)oyd Pulley
P.S. I'm gonna be busy tomorrow, so feel free to post a lot.
Message: 53095
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last on Lloyd
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 00:17:53
I don't care how dumb they all say you are.... you caught on to us
Yes, we only post umpteen million posts when we know you can't catch up.
Message: 53096
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Lloyd
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 02:47:28
Looks like the dumb indian/country boy finally found us out. Well I guess
we couldn't pull it off forever.
Message: 53097
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lloyd/posts
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 05:07:52
Yeah - that's right. Just thought I'd add another message to tease you.
Where have you been? I thought you had defected to another BBS?! Hope you
can log on more this summer. We need the 'token' redman to even things out.
After all, we have the token negro (Afro Poet) the token Italian (Nick) -
the token French woman (me) and lots of token 'crazies' (????) (You can fill
that in - just don't put my name in there ) So stick around 'Chief Running
Bull' - we need you. Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=
P.S. We have a new sig. called the (I)nsult Sig. You'll love it. We're all
so nice to each other there!
Message: 53098
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Freedom
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 08:00:06
Much has been said of late concerning prejudice, hatred and freedom.
While I have always advocated liberty without prejudice or bigotry, one
question comes to mind.
At what cost?
Where is the freedom of a homeowner, for example, to sell his home, at his
price, to a buyer of his choice, when the law says that he MUST sell it to
whoever coms up with the money?
Where is the freedom of a white Protestant male to secure the employment of
his choice, based on his expertise or willingness to learn, when the law
says that an employer MUST hire according to a quota based on community
percentages of races, etc.? Where is the freedom of a senior citizen to seek
employment in an economy geared to young, upward motivated, ambitious and
greedy kids?
No freedom can ever be gained without cost, and the more the freedom, the
dearer the cost. THe only problem seems to be that the bulk of the cost is
bourne by those who are denied the sought after freedoms. Anybody else see
this?
Message: 53099
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Air Bus
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 10:40:04
I feel Iran's Air Bus was on a suicide mission, and they should NOT
be paid retributions by the U.S.
Anyone else feel like this?
Message: 53100
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: last
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 12:12:21
Absolutely!
Of course, I am now forced to remind you that your boy,Ronnie, has already
said that theU.S. WILL pay hush money to the Iranian thieves.
Oh well, what can you expect, considering the source? Just another
super-rich Reagan faux-pa.
(smile)
Message: 53101
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Trashy Text
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:30:25
It's all come back to me because I found a boxful of old
books in our attic. I pulled out *A Princess of Mars*, the
first in Edgar Rice Burroughs' Martian series. Again I was
on the Red Planet, locally known as "Barsoom." What a plot!
John Carter, an ex-Confederate officer, battles Apaches in
Arizona, inhales vapors in a cave and sees a red star.
"... it was Mars, the god of war, and for me, the fighting
man, it had always held the power of irresistible
enchantment," he says.
Wafted to Mars, he fights huge four-armed green "Tharks."
But their rifles that shoot "radium" bullets 300 miles are
of little threat to Carter, who can jump 60 feet because his
"earth muscles" are overwhelming in Mars' weak gravity.
Says he, "I have never regretted that cowardice is not
optional with me." He becomes a Thark warrior, riding
eight-legged "thoats." Meanwhile the Tharks capture Dejah
Thoris, Princess of Helium.
Naturally, she is gorgeous. And, like all Burroughs
heroines, she haughtily disdains the hero. But he vows to
save her, for the Thark idea of fun is torture. Pondering
their noisome ways, he gloomily notes, "In one respect at
least the Martians are a happy people; they have no lawyers."
Message: 53102
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Trashy Text
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:40:50
Carter fights King Kong-size white apes, wrestles bellicose
Tharks, is put in a dungeon. "...cold, sinuous bodies
passed over me when I lay down, and in the darkness I
occasionally caught glimpses of gleaming fiery eyes, fixed
in horrible intentness upon me," he says. He broods over
Dejah Thoris, "a woman who was hatched from an egg." But
Cupid wins: Carter becomes a Prince of Helium and a doting
husband to the oviparous lady. "In a golden incubator upon
the roof of our palace," he reverently explains, "lay a
snow-white egg."
I'm clean now, ready to plunge into *The Mill on the
Floss*. First, though, for the sake of scholarship, I may
just scan *The Warlord of Mars*, in which John Carter
battles his way into the Temple of the Sun, where Dejah
Thoris is a captive. It's nip and tuck from the Valley Dor
to the dread Carrion Caves, John fighting triumphantly
beside his hatched son Carthoris.
P.S. Cancel my appointments. And tell the folks at
Great Books that something's come up. It looks like I'll be
missing the next meeting.
Message: 53103
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Compensation
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:48:22
Compensation for the plane shooting victims may be justified if, first, any
question that the shooting was an Iranian setup can be laid to rest, and
second, if the money can be given directly to the families and not go
through the Iranian government. Given these conditions one could argue for
it as a humanitarian gesture, particularly if it is shown that U.S. error
caused the shooting.
Message: 53104
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:55:43
The abolition movement started long before the 1960s, and culminated a
century before with the Emancipation Proclamation. Martin Luther King was
certainly a luminary among civil-rights leaders, but there is a long list of
important black leaders who preceeded him: Booker T. Washington and
Frederick Douglass, to name just two. Neither of these men was a child of
the '60s, nor was King. King became active in the late '50s and early '60s,
before the "'60s movement" got started. 1968, the height of hippiedom, was
also the year in which King was murdered. The "'60s revolution" really had
nothing to do with anything positive; it was an exercise in self-indulgence
and uncivilized behavior. For ex-hippies to take credit for advances that
happened to be taking place while they were acting like filthy animals is
shameful.
Message: 53105
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Paul's freedom
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:57:04
Do you advocate minimum hiring quotas for old people?
Message: 53106
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Note
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 17:57:44
I am now homeless. Please whine about my plight.
Message: 53107
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 19:50:53
Will you work for food?
Message: 53108
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 20:30:11
Quick! Jesse Jackson wants to cloth and feed you, and make sure you receive
adequate medical care!
Message: 53109
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Princino de Marso
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 21:17:34
Mi estas nun tre maljuna viro; g^uste kiomag^a mi ne scias. Eble mi estas
centjara, eble pli: sed mi ne povas diri, neniam mi maljunig^is kiel aliaj
homoj, kaj nenian infanag^on mi memoras. Lau' mia memoro c^iam mi estis
viro--viro proksimume tridekjara. Mi aspektas nun, kiel mi aspektis antau'
pli ol kvardek jaroj, kaj tamen, mi sentas ke ne c^iam mi povos vivi, ke en
iu tago mi mortos lau' la vera morto, kun sekvas nenia revivigo. Mi ne
scias, kial mi timas la morton, mi, kiu dufoje mortis, kaj ankorau' vivas:
tamen mi sentas pri g^i la saman timegon kiel vi, kiu neniam mortis; kaj
vers^ajne pro tiu timego pri morto, mi estas tiel konvinkita pri mia
mortonteco.
(the first paragraph of "Princess of Mars" by Edgar Rice Burroughs, as
translated by K.R.C. Sturmer)
Message: 53110
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Vote
Subject: Yowza!
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 21:29:09
I just took the 'correct answer' poll ahead of the contender for the title.
Sheesh, is this some kind of opinion poll or something? Why don't people do
a bit of research before answering the question?
Rev. Beau
Message: 53111
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Airbus
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 23:39:32
Before I would agree with what Reagan is doing in compensating the families
of the victims of Khomeini's suicide run, a few questions:
1. Why did the air controller at the point of departure (Bandar Abbas, a
civilian/military joint-use airfield) permit the plane to fly into a comat
area? Surely the controller of an Iranian military airfield should have had
access to military radio to pick up on what was going on?
2. Why did the aforementioned controller(s) hold the plane for 53 minutes,
and then let it take off?
3. Why, out of the 5 or so flights Iran Air operates from Bandar Abbas to
Dubai, is only 1 flight (655, on Sunday) by Airbus? The others are on a
short-range model Boeing 727 (source: Official Airline Guide, on
Compu$erve)?
4. Will the world get to hear the voice recorder reportedly recovered by
Iran?
5. Why do some of the bodies pulled out of the Gulf not show aftereffects of
a plane crash (burns, decapitation, etc.)? Some look like Khomeini went to
the morgues and pulled bodies, for (attempted) immediate propaganda value.
6. Why won't Reagan wait until the Navy finishes its investigation before
OKing the payments?
7. Why does Iran Air have its pilots instructed to ignore calls from US
military warships in the region? That, in itself, is nothing but a set-up
for something like this! Enough for one night.
Later... Pat
Message: 53113
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 05:40:29
Concerning your post on compensation for the families of the "victims" of
the Iranian thing, I would agree with you IF (and that's the ksy word) all
the conditions you set forth are met, and those with confirmation by U.S.
sources. The likelihood of that ever happening probably begins at ZERO and
goes down from there.
As to your question re: quotas. No, I do not advocate a quota for hiring
the elderly. In fact, I wuld like to see ALL quotas abolished, and
individuals hired on the basis of qualifications only, with no regard to
those things for which the quota system was established.
If I, at my age, am better qualified to fill a position, (don't worry. I
don't want it!) than you are, then I shoul get the position. By the same
token, if a black man is better qualified than I, then he shoul get it. Or a
woman, or a Chinese, or anyone else, based solely on ability, education,
experience. Not on age, sex, race, etc. We have reached a point that I think
everyone could see coming years ago. Reverse discrimination is now the order
of the day, and totally inept and unqualified people are being placed into
positions for no reason other than that they fill a stupid quota. Away with
all quotas! End of preachment for the day. I think.
Message: 53114
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/airbus
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 09:28:00
I believe we should because it hasn't been proven it was a suicide mission -
although, I wouldn't put it past them. I also agree with JT - that if we do
compensate - it must go directly to the families and not the Iranian
government - if that's possible! I personally wished we hadn't gone there in
the first place. Why do we think we must 'police the world'? These people
are still barbaric and will remain so, at least in this century. Let them
fight among themselves if that's what they wish to do. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53115
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/freedoms
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 09:45:07
I see what your saying and I agree. We have been apartment owners, rented
house owners etc. The apt. owning was the worse. Not only can't you be
against the blacks - but any other unsavory elements either - and I'm not
taking about race. They can and do sue you if you so much as hint to being
prejudiced. BUT - that can easily be gotten around. All you need do is say
that it's rented or someone else is coming back to rent it etc. etc. Unless
they can prove it - nothing can be done. Same with houses - selling them to
who you choose. We never sold a house where there wasn't several people that
wanted it. All one needs to do is sell to whom they want, providing they
qualify. OR if it narrowed down to just a black family, you can always just
change your mind about selling it if no papers have been signed. But the
business owners have no such places to hide. Yes - their freedoms are
erroded, but they bring it on themselves. If they wern't prejudiced in the
first place, this wouldn't happen. It is one thing to own a restaurant and
not want unsavory looking characters in your place like dirty, barefoot,
raggity people. But it is another to judge a person unsavory simply because
of the color of their skins. I've seen the most awful looking characters
congregate in a bar and as soon as a black person comes in - they start
talking about the dirty 'nigger' - and will not sit besides them. I've seen
people refuse to shoot pool with them and will leave the place of business.
The owner gets panicy and wants to ban blacks because he loses customers.
It's a vicious circle. Until we all 'grow up' as a nation and put this
stupididy aside - then our freedoms will be erroded. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53116
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: Refrigerator
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 15:02:00
A side by side Refrigerator with Ice Maker... Works great..
absolutly nothing wrong with it. Color green (Avacodo)
Price $300.00
Can be seen at the store, since that is where I use it.
While there, buy a COLD Pepsi or Root Beer.
Some facts...
General Electric No Frost
21.7 Cu Ft. 66 1/2 high, 33" wide, 30 1/2" deep
Message: 53117
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Iran/Ann?
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 17:04:54
Ann, why should we pay them for shooting down the Iranian jetliner?
Did they ever pay for any of their terrorist attacks on our planes? Have
they paid any of our Hostages for their deaths or cruel treatments?
Or have they reimbursed any country for the sinking of their ships and the
deaths of their crews? HELL NO!!!!
Personally I think the pilot was going to crash that jetliner into our
Navy ship, since they were looking for an 4th of July incident. Ann, as an
ex-navy man, I am disturbed by your willingness to pay them. I suppose if
the Captain had not ordered the shoot down and the plane hit an sunk the
Navy ship, you would be outraged that captain did not shoot at anything in
its spear of influence.
I was in the Med when the "Black September Gang" promised to sink an
American ship. There were many alerts and General Quarters.... and things
happen very fast and there are only seconds to respond or you're DEAD! And
you could never understand this, the sailors out there are scared to death,
and paying the Iranians would be a rather rude insult.
SYSOP
Message: 53118
Author: Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: FBI vrs. Books
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 18:01:16
Librarians ready to sue over FBI role
by Sharon Donovan and Sam Meddis - USA TODAY
NEW ORLEANS - Librarians are ready to sue over FBI efforts
to turn them into spies.
The executive board of the American Library Association -
the USA's largest librarians' group - has recommended suing
the FBI for details of its Library Awareness Program.
The ALA Council - the group's policy-making arm - votes
Wednesday.
The group claims the program - in which the FBI seeks
information on library patrons - violates privacy rights.
"It is vital that people go into libraries and use the
information without fearing the FBI is supervising and
overseeing their use," says incoming ALA President F.
William Summers, Florida State University library school
dean.
The FBI says it's fighting foreign spies. It claims
Soviets try to use libraries as sources.
"This has become a significant aspect of their efforts to
steal American military and technological data," says FBI
spokesman Stephen Thomas.
The FBI says it limits the program to New York-area
scientific and technical libraries.
Already suing: ... People for The American Way.
Message: 53119
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lloyd Bentsen
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 18:16:37
Well, Governor Dickface revealed his prick, I mean his pick.
Message: 53120
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 18:26:06
And what a courageous choice it was too.
Message: 53121
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AA
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 18:42:31
Some guy who was convicted of drunk driving is fighting his sentence on
the grounds that he is being forced to follow a religion by attending AA
meetings.
Interesting tack, but it means he'll end up in jail instead of on parole...
Rev. Beau
Message: 53122
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bentsen/Dukakis
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 19:09:34
"A Dukakis-Bentsen ticket has all the drama and raw excitement of a pillow
fight."--Bill Murchison
Message: 53123
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 23:36:05
The fellow may have a point. AA's major technique is to turn the need for
alcohol into a need for God.
Message: 53124
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Iran Ann
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 03:04:42
We are not trying to "police the world" with our military presence in the
Persian gulf. What we are trying to do is maintain free shipping in the
area. The area is of great strategic importance, and the Soviets would love
to control it.
Message: 53125
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: THE JOHN MCCAIN SHOW
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 05:48:23
Last night I was flipping through the channels during commercials in
the All-Star game (aren't remote controls wonderful?) and came across the
Hon. Senator John McCain hosting a live call-in show from D.C. The number
was toll-free, so I called.
A producer answered the phone and asked what my question was. I
said I wanted to know why Senators and Congressmen only send out newsletters
and survey questionnaires during election years. The producer laughed (It
wasn't a real hearty laugh.), and said the line my call had come in on
couldn't be routed directly to Sen. McCain so they'd have to call me back.
I figured that'd be the last I'd hear of it, but a few minutes later
the phone rang and it was another producer saying that I'd be on the air in
a few minutes and to hang on.
Sure enough, soon it was my turn. I asked the question. McCain
laughed and handed out some drivel about how they try to do their best to
keep the folks at home informed. He did, in passing, point out that he
wasn't up for re-election this year and wouldn't be until 1990.
I wonder if that has anything to do with why I haven't gotten
anything from him in quite a while.
xxxooo
Message: 53126
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AA
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 06:21:35
First the disclaimer that I am not now, nor ever have been, a member of AA.
Having said that, I have always been under the impression that it was s
support group, using a technique of people with like problems helping each
other over the rough spots and supporting each other in their efforts to
conquer their common habit. While it (the group) may recognize their need
for higher authority, I don't believe that it is primarily God-oriented. Am
I wrong?
Message: 53127
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Iranian plane
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 07:06:26
If we can prove that it was a suicide mission, then we shouldn't pay.
But if we can't prove that, then we should, taking precautions about getting
the money to the relatives.
As for the "they didn't pay us for the hostages" argument: I don't see
why we should try to be just as foul as they are. Just because they act
bad doesn't mean we should try to act worse.
And what about compensation to the non-Iranians that were on the plane?
What bothers me is that we are getting the same excuses from the US
government that the USSR gave when it shot down KAL 007: "We mistook it for
a fighter" "it was off course" "you set us up."
The worst part about it is that we were suckered into going in there in
the first place. First off, the other countries that are dependent on that
oil played "chicken" with us about who would patrol the gulf. Someone has
to do it, but since the other nations wouldn't put more that a token
presence in there, Uncle Sugar stepped in. I say we tell Japan, Germany,
France, etc., that we are leaving, and that if they want any oil, to go
protect it themselves.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53128
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: JT
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 07:08:34
I have a cardboard box I will rent to you. Only $100/month, plus $200
security deposit. This is a New York-style efficency apartment.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53129
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: World
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 07:53:35
The world is a wonderful place, if it did not have pepole in it.
Message: 53130
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/plane
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 08:22:04
I can understand the men being scared to death out there, but we did shoot
down innocent victoms - human beings that are not war mongers - families,
children - people like you and me. I say it would not be a matter of 'losing
face' - but it would show the world that we hate war. Besides - it has not
been proven it was a suicide mission - but what if it was? They then used
innocent victoms. These people need help - not as a 'guilty concious'
payment, but help as we give in a lot of trageties! Who cares what the world
thinks anyway. The countries that are allowed to think freely will see that
it was a mistake anyway. The others - it will be used for propaganda! So
what's new? I'll be willing to bet that we havn't got all the info either.
Our government lets us know just what it wants us to know! Who cares about
pride in a case like this? Even if someother country shot down that plane,
what would be the matter with us helping those people out? Have you heard
the old saying - 'Pride comes before the fall'? =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53131
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick/Iran
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 08:29:58
Then let the Soviets control it! We control other areas. If other countries
are not going to help us with this thing - then why not get out - we
wouldn't get killed and we wouldn't be killing innocent victoms or guilty
ones either? As long as we are there under these circumstances, we are in a
vulnerable spot for another war. For what? A strip of water?! To save face?
To prove our power? Except for World War II - we always go to war for
some other country - more of our men are killed than the country we help
fight for. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53132
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: We are there for....
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 09:19:03
OIL Ann, Black Gold.... Not water! If that area goes to the
Russians, their war machine would have all the oil it needs, while in the
states we would be at war with ourselves at every gas pump. I hope you have
not forgotton the fist fights at the pumps in 73? A prolonged gas shortage
would probably lead to more serious violance.
Message: 53134
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Iranian Airbus
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 09:58:02
There are several reasons why it should not have been shot down. 1. It
identified itself at one point as a commercial airliner ( electronically) as
well as an F-14 (an air-to-air fighter that Iran has not used against
ships). 2. It was descending from a high altitude (9,000 to 12,000 feet)
making itself vulnerable to the Vincennes. 3. Iranian F-14s are not wired
for anti-ship missiles. 4. If they were, they would have been dropped
during a different flight profile than the Airbus was flying. 5. The London
Sunday Times (July 10) reported that the British Government Communications
Headquarters determined from electronic eavesdropping that the Airbus left
Bandar Abbas only 3 minutes behind schedule, was flying in the correct
flight path south over the Strait of Hormuz toward Dubai in the United Arab
Emirates, and was climbing when the Vincennes shot it down.
The Pentagon, on the other hand, has claimed that the Airbus was outside the
commercial corridor (which they stopped asserting last Thursday), was
descending in attack mode, and was 27 minutes late taking off. They have no
comment on the Sunday Times report.
Message: 53135
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AA/PAUL
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 12:18:24
I went to an AA meeting with a friend about a month ago - my friend is
agnostic. The topic of the meeting was 'God, and my understanding of Him'.
Each person was then asked to explain how God had helped him/her through the
alcohol problem. Without fail, each person started with "My name is (place
name here), and I'm an alcoholic...", then going on to explain how wonderful
God is and how he/she couldn't have stopped without His help.
My friend, being agnostic, passed - he felt out of place and unwelcome
to a certain extent. He never went back, and few weeks later began throwing
up blood. We took him to the hospital (at that point he couldn't take
himself), and he is now in a half-way house, dry, and pretty damn lucky.
So, to answer your question - AA is very God-oriented. In fact, they
state you can't do it without Him. Leaving the agnostics and atheists
without a group to turn to for support and help.
Message: 53136
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 14:37:44
The agnostics and atheists now do have AA-like groups around the country
which are nonreligious. They are called Secular Sobriety Groups. I don't
think there's one in the Phoenix area. A listing may be found in every
issue of Free Inquiry magazine.
Message: 53137
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: repulsive rhetoric
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 15:08:29
The following are quotes from one of the University of Arizona's most
prominent and offensive mall preachers, "Rob".
---------------------------------------------------------------
"There's a demon spirit behind alcohol that ruins families and ruins
lives."
"Tell you what - you go drink your beers and be happy. I want to go
minister to people who are alcoholic."
"I denounce Catholicism, I denounce any form of denominationalism
because they have no power."
"You can go to the biggest church in the world, and it won't make you a
Christian."
"Well sir, you'll have to eat those words one day...he will probably
damn you."
"Without Christ, your life amounts to zero. You could be the greatest
astronaut, you could have a 4.0. But your life amounts to zero!"
"I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to heaven. If you just
want to go six feet under, more power to you."
Message: 53138
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: more
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 15:15:20
"Anybody who doesn't belive in Jesus, in my translation, is a WIMP."
"Do you believe in premarital sex?"
*crowd of students applauds*
"Then you're a bunch of wimps."
[referring to sex, drugs, and other forms of hedonism : ] "It's like a
donkey, and a carrot...like Mick Jagger says - I can't get no satisfaction."
"You're all going to hell without Christ!"
"Self-righteousness is a sin!"
[In response to several students' attempts to refute preacher through
logic : ] "Man thinks he's so SMART."
"You're limited. But God is not limited."
"Everything this University represents will one day be useless."
"What is Life? Do you think all that life is is wearing nice clothes,
driving fast cars and living in the foothills?"
*mass applause*
Message: 53139
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: more
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 15:19:10
"Most heart problems are the results of broken hearts."
"I would only take morphine if it was needed to perform an operation."
"I am an ambassador of GOD! yecca juliakol gushanga dooprat rolly
rolly bohikeyag..." (tongues)
"All your wisdom, understaning, ego, education, I.Q. isn't going to
bring you one inch closer to God."
--------------------------------------------------------------------
You're all invited to come down to Tucson and join the fun.
Message: 53140
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Woodruff
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 16:06:56
None of those quotes is terribly amusing or obnoxious. Surely you can do
better.
Message: 53141
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 16:07:13
Better for the United States to be the world's policeman than for the Soviet
Union to be the world's jailer.
Message: 53142
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Petrisko/AA
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 16:07:32
What a terrible story. I could use a drink after that one.
Message: 53143
Author: Christian Wright
Category: Question?
Subject: Religion
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 16:12:25
What do you guys have against religion, anyway?
Message: 53144
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Viruses
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 18:40:23
Protecting Sites from VAX Virus, by Henry Schneiker:
In an earlier column I wrote on viruses, I talked about
how easy it was for your computer system to catch a computer
virus. It caused a lot of concern and generated some
interesting mail. It also prompted a call from a local VAX
site with some 90 Macintoshes networked together. No sooner
had the article come out than this site caught what I'll
call the roach virus, so named because it displayed a roach
on the screen while activating itself.
The roach virus appears to infect the MacServe networking
software and shows itself when the client portion of
MacServe is installed after a boot operation. The
copy-protection scheme used with the MacServe software made
it impossible to prevent the infection of the master disks
because they must be write-enabled when the software is
installed. This allowed the virus to infect all the master
disks. Until all the master disks can be replaced and the
entire network purged of all suspect files, this site will
operate at reduced efficiency because of its reliance on the
network. The roach virus must be completely purged from the
network before the servers can be used reliably.
(continued)
Message: 53145
Author: Scott Strange
Category: Bulletins
Subject: SYSOP
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 19:57:58
I am a computer analyst with a large company and i see that there
is a lot of copywrited software on this BBS. The sysop and the
owner of this BBs is responsible for staying within the copywrite
laws of the united states of america. If these laws are not observed
you can be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
some examples are
procom
pcdesk
adjram 30
nbc
these are all copywrited.......respect the work of professionals
dont let other than freeware, shareware, or public domain on your bbs's
You can go to jail or be fined severely for these acts
Message: 53146
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: last...
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 20:05:18
The software on this BBS is PUBlic Domain and shareware... such as
Procom... ,PCDESK, and ADJRAM... these are the shareware versions ....
Someone should tell the expert Mr Scott Strange that 'Copywrited' doesn not
mean it can't be Public Domain or Shareware. People 'Copywrite' software so
that others can't put their name on it for fame or claim....
SYSOP
Message: 53147
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 21:10:31
Sorry James. The desire to amuse you was there, as that is my prime goal in
life, but it may have been that I just didn't put my heart into it. I
predict the following messages will not satisfy your desire for
obnoxiousness either. You are always welcome, of course, to submit
suggestive criticism so that we all may learn from your years of experience
in this area. Thanks. Have a nice day. <:-)
Message: 53148
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Religion
Subject: Ingersoll
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 21:11:56
"When I became convinced that the Universal is natural -- that all
the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my
soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of
freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was
flooded with light and all the locks, bolts, bars, and manacles became
dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf or a slave. There was for me
no master in all the wide, wide, world -- not even in infinite space. I
was free -- free to think, to express my thoughts -- free to live to my
own ideal -- free to use my own faculties, all my senses -- free to spread
imagination's wings -- free to reject all ignorant and barbarous legends
of the past -- free from popes and priests -- free from all the "called"
and "set apart" -- free from sanctified mistakes and holy lies -- free
from the fear of eternal pain -- free from the winged monsters of the
night -- free from devils, ghosts, and gods. For the first time I was
free." -Robert G. Ingersoll, "The Great Infidel"
Ingersoll liked to recall the wise thought of Epicurus: "Why
should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not.
Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I do?"
Message: 53149
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Religion
Subject: Garfield
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 21:12:35
The divorce between Church and State ought to be absolute. It
ought to be so absolute that no Church property anywhere, in any
state, or in the nation, should be exempt from equal taxation; for if
you exempt the property of any church organization, to that extent you
impose a tax upon the whole community. -President James A. Garfield
(in a speech to Congress on June 22, 1874)
Message: 53150
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkett
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 21:45:08
John McCain and his wife Cindy (sp?) where on the morning show at KTAR 620
the other day. John was on long distance from D.C. I called in on the 800
number (at work) at approximately 9:30. I was going to ask McCain his
response to Mecham claiming that he (McCain) didn't have the integrity or
the honesty to be vice president. Well, after waiting, and waiting, and
listening to feeboo questions by other callers, it finally came to the time
where there was about 5 minutes left. Instead of putting me on the line,
they chose to use the last five minutes having John and Cindy talk about
their special little family and changing diapers.
That's ok, but the moderator could have come back on the line and told me
they didn't have enough time for me. Instead, I just received a click and a
dial tone.
Oh well.
Message: 53151
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: everyone
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 01:02:14
Thanks for all the laughs tonite....
I needed them. J.T. won, however, with the pillow quote.
Carol->
Message: 53152
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Scott
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 01:02:29
You're strange!
Message: 53153
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Petrisko
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 01:10:43
I don't think your version of an AA meeting was very accurate.
They will go as far as a HIGHER POWER helping a person, and if that HIGHER
POWER happens to be Atheism, I am sure they would applaud anyway.
I have heard many individuals mention God's help and I know that one of the
steps mentions the Higher Power, but moderators, etc. are supposed to be
very impartial in this area.
The meetings are very interesting...what cracks me up is that the room is so
blue with smoke than even those of us who *do* smoke, are unable to take it.
However, not enough good can be said for the great work that AA has done and
is doing. They also, of course, have Al-Anon (which is for anyone who even
knows someone with a problem with alcohol) and Teen-Anon, which is great for
the younger victims of someone else's drinking. That's the worst part about
alcoholism - anyone involved in any way with an alcoholic, soon becomes a
victim to some degree or another.
Carol->
Message: 53154
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 04:09:11
You sure can babble.
Message: 53155
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 05:25:19
The "old saying" you quoted is a Biblical misquote that should read "Pride
goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall". COmes from
the book of Proverbs.
As to the plane incident, the more I hear and see about the condition and
position of the bodies of the "victims", the more convinced I become that
the whole thing was nothing more than an Iranian set-up, designed and
executed by the sickos in charge of propagande for that misbegotten part of
the world for the express purpose of making the "great Satan" look bad. I
think it was a poor attempt that fools nobody who has eyes to see, and not
one thin dime should be paid by us to anybody. THe incident should be
investigated tothe fullest extent possible, and exposed to the world as the
hoax it was.
Message: 53156
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Question?
Subject: Zak Woodruff
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 05:39:22
Just one question Zak.
If you found this sidewalk preacher so "repulsive", how come you stayed
long enough to hear all those quotes? Did he tie you to a lamppost?
While a more mature Christian woul probably have stated some things
differently, what he said was basically Scriptural. All finite knowledge
will one day pass away in the light of infinite wisdom and knowledge. That,
of course, should stop noone from seeking all the knowledge he can gain. All
things, however, shoul be kept in proper balance lest one becomes puffed up
with his own importance and not realize his insignificance in the light of
God's totality. Before ridiculing and knocking the attempts of another, it
might be wise to seek the truth (or falsity) of what he is doing. You may
just find that he has something you need or will find helpful. Have a good
day.
Message: 53157
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/# 53141
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 06:31:14
That statement I don't think would matter much to the people who got killed,
their families or the people (their's and our's) getting maimed in this
'little skermish'! It is up to Iran who they choose to 'jump in bed with' -
not us to make that choice for them and that goes for any other country too.
=*--ANN--*=
Message: 53158
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Scott Strange
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 06:33:33
Never mind him Cliff - he didn't even spell Procomm right! Jeeze - some
expert! My Procomm even has an opening message stating that it is public
domain software. This guy must have his head some place he shouldn't!
=*--ANN--*=
Message: 53159
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Paul/war
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 06:44:02
What's such a 'hoax' about almost 300 people getting killed? So the Iranians
'jazzed' it up a bit for sympathy - that still does not alter the facts. We
seemed to have an attitude of 'so what' re: this thing - yet if there were
Americans on that plane - we'd all be raising holy hobs about it. Is our
blood any better than theirs? I have hardly heard one sympatheic word for
those people that died. Have we became an unfeeling nation? Who cares who
killed them - they are stone cold dead - why not help their families where
we can? This nation is a proud one - but ego is another thing! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53160
Author: $ James White
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Woodruff
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 09:07:09
I imagine Ingersoll knows now how much his supposed "freedom" cost him.
About Garfield - the power to tax is the power to destroy. If you want
absolute separation, then you are shooting yourself in the foot by insisting
on taxation, for that gives one (the state) control over the other (the
church) - it didn't work the other way around in the middle ages, and it
won't work that way now.
James>>>
Message: 53161
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 11:24:44
Nick, you are so right! I can babble, indeed. Just watch my next message.
Message: 53162
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul Savage
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 12:03:23
Paul, you have a way of bending things. Yes, I (A) watched a mall preacher
do his stuff and (B) hold the opinion that his form of rhetoric is
valueless. You imply that there is an inconsistency in maintaining an
exposure to and awareness in something which you find questionable. I see
no inconsistency. "Were you tied to a lamppost?" No. The preachers were
interesting. The responses of the students who argued with them were
interesting. The whole PHENOMENON was interesting. Also, I needed the
quotes for a paper I was working on which compared various styles and
methods of persuation.
I have, as you suggested, sought the truth of what he is doing, and come
up empty-handed.
"All things should be kept in proper balance lest one becomes puffed up
with his own importance and not realize his insignificance in the light of
God's totality."
A few questions. Proper balance between what and what? Insignificance
in the light of God's totality? You are saying that if there is no balance
between X and X, one will begin to believe he actually has some sort of
universal SIGNIFICANCE?! That is the message I'm hearing from you. And
what it all comes down to is a statement against humanism, something you
find violently wrong.
So, while you claim it "wise to seek the truth" of the mall preacher, you
are no more open-minded to opposing viewpoints than I am, in fact we are
both stuck like glue to our beliefs. See the hypocrisy? Have a good day.
Message: 53163
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Viruses
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 17:53:30
Source unknown
Where did this virus come from? Nobody has been able to
track down the source. A few users of this network are
heavily into public-domain software (also known as shareware
or freeware) and bring disks containing this stuff into work
on a regular basis. The most likely scenerio is that one of
those programs contained the infection. And, as is typical
with viruses, no one noticed anything wrong until roaches
appeared on the screen and files became corrupted. But by
then, it was too late - the entire network had been
infected.
The roach virus was more sophisticated in that it was not
an INIT (initialize input/output) resource visible with
simple tools; rather, it infected by modifying the system
code directly and permanently, as would be the case with a
VAX virus. It also took advantage of the copy-protection
scheme to further itself - yet one more case in which copy
protection hurts the paying customer.
The VAX data-center manager has several problems to deal
with, and they all revolve around security issues. One of
the biggest problems with security difficulties is secrecy.
There are two major views on security. The first is,
"Ignorance is bliss." If nobody says anything about a known
security problem, the problem won't spread (as fast).
Message: 53164
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Viruses
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 18:03:19
The problem is that there is a very large underground
grapevine that contains all sorts of information on
everything you always wanted to know about breaking and
entering computer systems but didn't know who to ask.
For instance, *2600*, a magazine put out by the
telephone-freak community (ever heard of a blue box for
making free telephone calls? - that's them) recently ran an
article on the VAX/VMS security system. Did you know that
the local high school kid can buy the "VAX/VMS Guide to
System Security" by mail and learn all about how to break
into your system? The point is, hiding your head in the
sand will not make the problem go away. Just think of it
this way: The other guy is more highly motivated to track
down this information than you are because he has more to
gain. Which brings us to the other major view of security:
The information is already public, so tell the people who
will be affected so that they can fix the problem - then hope
they fix the problem before the bad guys use it against
them. Which view do you think is best?
((to be continued))
Message: 53165
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 18:30:10
Yeah, what's a little genocide if it keeps us out of war?
Message: 53166
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Scott Strange
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 18:30:47
This lousy BBS doesn't have any copyrighted software. If you want to trade
copyrighted software, just leave me mail and we can arrange for something.
I have a pretty good collection.
Message: 53167
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Iranian airliner
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 19:53:20
I still remember how many people said that the Soviets' shooting down
KAL 007 *couldn't* be an accident, since how could anyone mistake a jetliner
for a fighter plane? Where are all those people now?
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53168
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 20:01:35
But that flight 007 was NOT in a war zone where a battle was going
on, and the Soviet Jet had the jetliner in visual sight! Not just a radar
blip.
Message: 53169
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Answer!
Subject: last
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 21:12:59
Right, instead it was in Soviet airspace, not in a commercial air lane.
Rev. Beau
Message: 53170
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: KAL 007
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 21:52:03
The Captain of the Vincennes had about five minutes to decide whether to
fire. The Soviets had more than two hours.
The Captain of the Vincennes had good reason to believe he was going to be
attacked -- shooting was occuring at the time, and there was the precedent
of the Stark. The Soviets did not have such a reason.
The Soviets were in visual contact with the aircraft, and had the option of
approaching it with jets and forcing it to land. The Vincennes did not.
The Soviet Union refused to pay any sort of retribution to the families of
those killed. The U.S. has made that offer.
A better comparision would be, perhaps, to compare the mistake of the
fighter which shot the Stark to this case. While we were angry, we did not,
to quote Ann, raise "holy hobs."
By the way, Ann, if you haven't heard "one sympatheic word" for those killed
on the airplane, it's simply because you haven't been paying attention.
Ronald Reagan and the two presidential contenders, Bush and Dukakis, all
expressed their sorry for those killed. But all said that the Captain was
justified.
I also agree with Paul that there are a lot of unanswered questions. Was
this a set up? A kamikaze attack? We may never know.
Message: 53171
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: blips
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 02:28:52
Aegis radar does not show a blip at all. Instead it shows a graphic "target"
along with a line showing the path of the object. All objects tracked have
the same size target, so you can't distinguish a large object from a small
one by using the Aegis system.
Message: 53172
Author: Michael Carlisle
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JUSTIFIED
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 04:57:39
The cap'n of the V did only what any red blooded American would do:
SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER...
MICHAEL
Message: 53173
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/dead Iranians
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 06:21:06
What you seem to have missed, Ann, are the testimonies of those people who
have had much exerience in such things who opinioned that there was no way
those "bodies" could have survived an airplane explosion at 9000 feet and
appeared as whole and fully clothed as they did in the water. THere was NO
evidence of burns, decapitation, limb severance, blowing away of the
clothing, or any number of other things that would have been present if they
had indeed gne through a blast and then fallen that distance.
The hoax comes in (and not even a very good one) in the very strong
possibility that those bodies were already dead, and were planted, or
"salted" in the water by the Iranian government to generate international
sympathy. The saddest part of the whole mess is that Mr. Senile in our White
House seems to have bought it.
You forget, Ann, that we are not dealing with normal, rational people when
we deal with Khomenei (sp) and his crowd, but with some of the wildest, most
fanatical terorists the world has ever known. Rule of thumb here is to put
nothing beyond their ability to perform if it will cast dark shadows on the
"great Satan".
Why should we pay one red cent, or feel any sympathy (other than for
any grieving family) for a bunch of stiffs they pulled out of their local
morgues and dropped (from the side of a boat) into the water just to create
an international incident? "Are we an unfeeling nation?" Heck no! We should
be having lots of feelings right now. Contempt. Disgust. Hatred. Maybe a
little anxiety that some of our international friends may be led by someone
as stupid and senile and gullible as Reagan. Pay? NO WAY!
Message: 53174
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 06:34:44
I see no hypocrisy in consistency Zak. Hypocrisy would enter the picture if
I said one thing and lived another.
You are correct when you say that I don't allow much room in my thinking
for opposing or different views, but that isn't hypocrisy, at least in my
understanding of the word. It is simply that I have found a system of
beliefs with which I am comfortable, and which I am convinced is the right
belief. I do recognize that there are others who do not share my beliefs,
and, while I may consider them wrong do not necessarily hold them up to
ridicule or try to shame them. I do occasionally plant a seed here and
there, hoping that one of like beliefs will com along and water it so that
it will cause some thought and hopefully result in some growth.
In spite of what you may think, I do listen to the beliefs of others. I ma
immediately reject them as inconsistent with what I perceive to be truth,
but I do listen. Have a good day yourself.
Message: 53175
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: hoax
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 10:24:12
Some people seem to take for granted that the Iran Airbus incident was a
hoax. This seems extremely implausible to me, and I have seen no good
evidence for it. Are those of you crying "hoax" claiming that the plane was
remote controlled? Flown by a kamikaze? The communications between the
plane and the tower don't seem to indicate any hoax. The sorrow of the
relatives of the passengers doesn't seem to indicate a hoax.
Mention has been made of the bodies being unburned. Was the fuselage in
fact hit by a missile? It was my impression that the missiles effectively
blew the wings off (going for the engines). Those who claim this is a hoax
need to provide evidence that the bodies (seen only distantly in videotapes)
*significantly* differ from what would be expected in this sort of a
disaster.
The best explanation seems to be that it was a regular commercial flight
that was shot down. If it was an Iranian setup, it was most likely a setup
of some of their own people rather than a planeload of corpses from the
morgue.
Message: 53176
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Viruses
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 17:30:28
The biggest problem you will have as the system manager is
controlling what software people run on your system. The
problem of control has only gotten worse with the
proliferation of networks and serial file-transfer programs.
How do you keep employees from running unauthorized software
on your computer systems? The difficulty with this problem
can be illustrated by looking at several personal computer
games that have "job saver" screens. The purpose of the
screen is to switch to a spreadsheet or some other
"real-looking" screen with a single keystroke so that, if
the boss walks in, it will look like you are doing something
other than playing a game. I have seen employees go to
great lengths to get and keep a program on their computer at
work without the system manager knowing. On a VAX, it's as
easy as renaming GAME.EXE to PROPOSAL.RNO - it now fits
right in. Maybe it is better to set up a totally
nonprivileged gaming area.
You can improve your odds by coming up with a strict
policy and ruthlessly enforcing it. No unauthorized
programs, period. However, this can only work if your
management is fully behind you and willing to back you up.
And it also requires that your employees understand the risk
to the company and to their own jobs.
Another way is to search the disk every day, or as often
Message: 53177
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Viruses
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 17:37:01
as you can afford to, for new or altered files that should
not be there. How do you know what files are supposed to be
there? Let that be your homework assignment. You can start
with the system directories, because these are the most
likely to be attracted and also the most static. Write a
program that checksums all the files in all the system
directories and compares those results against a secure
known set of results. To be of any value, the checksumming
program and the list of checksums must be kept in a secure
location free of potential contamination by a virus. The
one slight problem with this method is that a carefully
written virus could modify a file to have the same checksum
as it had before. However, this can be made much more
difficult by using sophisticated checksumming routines.
((continued))
Message: 53180
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Airbus radio calls
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 22:25:04
CBS news tonight had some of the transcript of the Iran Air 655 flight. One
part, communication between the Bandar Abbas tower and the plane, said that
the plane was cleared to climb from 12000 feet, and that the plane was to
make contact with Tehran air control. In the transmissions between the plane
and Tehran, the plane's pilot radioed that he was ascending from 7000 feet.
The transcript there, by itself, sounds out of line. Add in the pristine
stiffs, and all the BS from Iran's loudmouths there and in New York, that
makes this whole thing sound like a well-orchestrated set-up. No money until
it is proven without flimsy evidence.
Later... Pat
Message: 53181
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkhart/53170
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 08:17:03
You racist pig.
Message: 53182
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: Old Vote....
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 11:06:44
What has 1,792 steps?
Statue of Liberty
Washington Monument
Eiffel Tower
Poll results to date:
10 12 11
The correct answer is C
Message: 53183
Author: Darren Erickson
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Iranian Airbus
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 13:51:10
The Iranian Airbus disaster was certainly a tragedy to the people
of Iran. Many people died when the "bus" was shot down. I
think it probably was a commercial airliner simply in the
wrong spot of the sea. However, there are two factors to be
considered from two separate viewpoints. First, the pilots
either were not monitoring the frequencies that warnings were
given over, or ignored them. Every attempt was made at telling
this plane to leave the area. Second (on the same viewpoint,)
remember when KAL007 went down? Accusations were raised that
the airline was on a spy mission. I still think that this is
possible. Just because somebody is paranoid does not mean a
conspiracy is not present.
Secondly, the Iranian government hates the U.S. for this action,
and (I assume) wants reparations for it. But what about the
the Iranian hostage crisis? I'm sure that if we subtract reparations
for keeping so many people against their will for around a year
it would end up with Iran owing us money.
Finally, the Iranians have always preached "Death to America" and
how they are "technically at war" with the U.S.A. Why should
we pay such high prices for such children.
"Deal with children like children."
-----Darren
Message: 53184
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 14:19:38
Me, a racist pig? The pressure of working at Heritage must be getting to
you. (I have this strange feeling of deja vu).
Message: 53185
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Darren/53183
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 15:09:07
Sorry, around 50 people kept hostage for a year does not compare with the
death of 290 people.
Rev. Beau
Message: 53186
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkhart
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 16:38:29
Of course you are a racist pig. It is quite clear from your message.
Reread it and you'll see exactly what I'm takling about.
Message: 53187
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Iran
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 16:40:19
Dog-breath is right. There is a big difference between the accidentally
killing people on a plane that happened to be in a combat zone, and invading
an embassy and holding diplomatic personnel hostage for over a year. Iran
is infinitely more culpable for the latter than we are for the former.
Message: 53188
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Viruses
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 19:48:23
Good backup
An easy way of verifiying that no changes have been made
to files on disk is to have a known good backup copy. Every
time you want verification, use Backup with the /VERIFY
switch. Backup will compare the known good copy with the
copy on disk byte-by-byte and report the differences. This
method will even detect changes that were not made through
the VMS file system.
Dealing with user files is a much more difficult problem.
User areas tend to have a large flux of files from one day
to the next. This makes it almost impossible to write a
program to automatically verify that a user's files have
been altered by a virus and not the user.
As you can see, the problem is much easier to tackle by
prevention than by cure. A lot depends on the
sophistication of the virus that is attacking you. The
object is to set up your system to make an infection
relatively difficult and then take reasonable care to avoid
exposure and contamination. Setting up your system properly
involves setting up reasonable file and object protections,
not giving out privileges that can allow a virus to go
around established protections and using the audit facility
to watch for unauthorized accesses to your sensitive files.
Keep you system healthy.
Message: 53189
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: #53185/B.D
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 23:34:20
If the 50 hostages don't compare, how about the 200-300 people that are
killed DAILY because of the war between Iran and Iraq....with the vast
majority of them coming from Iran (Khomenei (sp) is a great believer in
cannon-fodder). Iran has lost more people in their war with Iraq than the
US did totally in WWII, Korean War and Vietnam War.
As they say 'War is hell' and since Iran seems to be at war with the
entire world (or the vast majority of it), I feel no sorrow or remorse at
what happened to them.
(LL)oyd Pulley
*s
Message: 53190
Author: Vickie Dryden
Category: For sale
Subject: car
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 08:34:27
I am selling my 1977 Chrystler Cordoba for $600.00.
I have rebuilt the transmission,2 new tires,new brakes.
New stearing box,new starter motor,new master cylinder.
Looks very good and runs beautiful.
Does have air conditioning and heat.
Call me at 602-230-8754 anytime........
Message: 53191
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Heat
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 12:27:50
God damn it is hot here in Washington. Yesterday it was 104 degrees.
Message: 53192
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hot time in city
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 14:17:23
Gee, that's too bad. It's only 110 here in Phoenix.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53193
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Iran
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 14:21:30
The Iranian Airbus was not in a war zone. The US has not declared war
against Iran, and the Iranian government has not issued a formal declaration
of war either. The plane was in a "police action" zone.
I agree that someone needs to keep the Gulf open, but I don't see why
that has to be the US. The US isn't the only country in the world with a
navy, and there are countries that have far greater interests in the Gulf.
Of course, why should they risk their own ships and sailors, when the US
will do their dirty work for them for free?
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53194
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Iran
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 15:14:44
Well, personally I'm confused. Originally we were there
to protect commercial traffic, but now neutral countries are
no longer flying commercial air traffic in the area (at
least Japan). Can't say I blame them, considering what's
happened. But I'm still confused.
Are we protecting commercial *sea* traffic at the expense
of commercial *air* traffic? Or are we just protecting
commercial *oil* traffic at the expense of commercial
*human* cargos?
Has anyone heard any official "refinement" of our policy
in this regard?
Apro Poet
Message: 53195
Author: Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: THX-1138
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 15:21:10
Some public announcements from the movie THX-1138:
Make appropriate corrections.
For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is
being standardized. We are sorry.
If you feel you are not properly sedated, call 348-844
immediately. Failure to do so may result in prosecution for
criminal drug evasion.
That incident over in red sector L destroyed another 63
personnel, giving them a total of 242 lost to our 195. Keep
up the good work and prevent accidents!
Stay calm.
Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work
hard. Increase production. Prevent accidents and ...
be happy.
You are engaged in an unauthorized procedure. Remain where
you are.
Message: 53196
Author: Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Be happy
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 15:30:34
U.S. is lax on workplace deaths, safety study says
by Sam Meddis, USA TODAY
The federal government fails to prosecute in job deaths,
a safety study charges today.
The National Safe Workplace Institute estimates 69,700
job-related deaths - "legalized workplace homicide" - since
1981. In that time:
> The Labor Department referred 19 cases to the Justice
Department for prosecution - for acts ranging from fraud to
safety violations resulting in up to 28 deaths.
> The Justice Department brought criminal prosecutions in
only three cases. Highest penalties: $10,000 fine and a
30-day stay in a halfway house.
Frank White, of Occupational Safety and Health
Administration, says federal laws focus on civil
enforcement, such as the $4.2 million fine against Bath
(Maine) Iron Works for safety and health violations.
"We think it's not the best use of our resources to chase
corporate outlaws," he says.
Message: 53197
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Iran-Zak
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 17:17:25
Well, I think we should wait before we decide who is right and who is wrong
during the Iranian shooting. There is still too many conflicting reports on
all sides. However, most people agree that Iran and Iraq should stop their
fighting.
I know that when I was in Greece a month ago, there was some concern over
safety for Aerican tourist. Now, I am afraid that Greece's tourism is going
to go down the tubes. However, the rest of Europe was realitivly safe.
Now Zak, I now you can come up with better quotes from the Mall preachers,
EH??? Hopefully Brother Jud or Sister Cindy will return this year. They
are the most fanatical of the bunch. Mayvbe you and Lippard can make a day
of it on the mall, EH???
" The ATARI WILDCAT " and World Traveller Steven Carls
Message: 53198
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 17:47:55
I'm sure that Zak and Jim will make most days on the mall.
Message: 53199
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: 53194
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 18:53:15
Who wrote that?
Message: 53200
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Steve Carls
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 19:24:06
Let's all get together: you, Jim Lippard, and I, EH???
Bzzzzz...
Message: 53201
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul Savage
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 19:38:29
Thanks. God loves you. And he's concerned about me.
Message: 53202
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak, Jim and Steve
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 23:22:19
Gosh, all of you are going to be not logging on next year, since you'll be
enjoying the thrilling Tuscon life.
I'm deeply apathetic.
Message: 53203
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/racist pig
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 23:25:43
OK, so Jackson is still a candidate.
Message: 53204
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Question?
Subject: zak
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 01:40:13
Meant to ask you last nite...
Was that preacher from the DOOR, by any chance?
Carol->
Message: 53205
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim Lippard/Airbus
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 06:38:40
I have heard as much expert testimony expressing the idea that the bodies
were planted in the water and do not show any of the evidence of bodies that
have survived an explosion and 9000 foot fall as I have anything else.
If, in fact, the missiles did hit the wing area, I do believe that the
wings are also the fuel storage tanks, which, if true, would cause a
tremendous explosion that wuld have certainly engulfed the entire plane, and
certainly had some effect on the occupants.
True, we have not seen an real closeup pictures or evidence, and probably
will not, for I really think such examination would reveal the whole hoax.
In response to the comment that if it was a hoax, Iran used their own people
rather than corpses from the morgue, that woul not be too surprising either,
considering that the last shelling incident a couple of years ago revealed
the fact that the American shells fell on target, the oil refineries, while
those shells that fell on the civilian population were Iranian shells, fired
from the opposite direction from the American ships.
Don't forget, when we deal with such as Khomenei, we are not dealing with
rational people. Put nothing beyond their capabilities, or their low value
of human life, especially if the loss of 290 of them will cause the "great
Satan" embarrassment.
Message: 53206
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Dukakis
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 13:03:54
Has anyone noticed that Ducaca looks like a cheap hood in a 'B' movie? Do
you want to look at that face for the next four years? How about 'wimpy'
Bush and his frumpy wife? Real pace setters there eh?
** VOTE LIBERTARIAN ***
Message: 53207
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Wimpy Bush?
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 13:24:53
Bush may be a lot of things, but I hardly think he is a "WIMP"!
He was a pilot, a decorated one at that...and you can't be a wimp and have
had that type of a profession.
To Vote Libby would be a throw-a-way Vote..... and might let that
Democrat in an office with his revloving door prison policies.
I do not care for Bush, but he is much safer choice than that other
nut.
Vote REPUBLICAN!
Message: 53208
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last two
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 16:57:06
Cliff,
It's hard to believe, but I'm in agreement with you. Bush is anything
but a wimp.
And the logic of voting Libertarian, is the type of logic that lead us to
Ev Mecham being elected.
Vote Republican!
Message: 53209
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Vote, '88
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 17:14:38
I'm a little concerned that the media is giving a lot more coverage to the
democratic convention and candidates that republicans. All we hear anymore
is democratic convention this and Jesse that and Duke on radio and
television. I want to hear an equal amount of coverage on the republican
side of the ticket.
Is it just possible that the media is a little biased?
Message: 53210
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Vote
Subject: Potential Material
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 17:33:39
Would you accept $1 million to leave America and never set
foot in it again?
That's one of the head-scratching stumpers in The Book of
Questions (Workman), in which Author Gregory Stock created
217 questions that pose puzzling moral dilemmas.
Here are other examples. How would you respond?
- Would you be willing to murder an innocent person if it
would end world hunger?
- If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain
either the body or the mind of a 30-year-old, which would
you want?
- For an all-expense-paid, one-week vacation to anywhere,
would you kill a butterfly by pulling off its wings?
What about stepping on a cockroach?
- Would you give up half of what you currently own for a
pill that would permanently change you so that one hour of
sleep a day would fully refresh you?
- Would you eat a bowl of live crickets for $40,000?
- For $20,000, would you go three months without washing,
brushing your teeth or using deodorant? You could not
explain your bizarre behavior to anyone - not even to
friends or co-workers.
- Would you have one of your fingers surgically removed to
be guaranteed immunity from all major diseases?
Message: 53211
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Vote
Subject: Potential Material
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 17:35:46
- Would you give up TV for five years if it would prompt
someone to feed 1,000 starving children in Indonesia?
- Would you be willing to have horrible nightmares every
night for a year if you would be rewarded with extraordinary
wealth?
Message: 53212
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Holy Geni, Batman!
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 17:37:33
Why is it that when you halve a hole, you still have a whole
hole?
Message: 53213
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Poet
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 18:10:36
Only a few of those are really dilemmas. The answers are: No, no, body,
hell yes, of course, yes, depends on the size of the bowl, no, depends on
the finger, no, yes.
Message: 53214
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Lloyd
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 19:58:21
Imagine a situation where the majority of citizens in your nation are
neo-Nazis. There are two neo-Nazi parties which have different emphases on
government control of the economy, and one anti-Nazi third party which gets
few votes. Would you refuse to vote for the anti-Nazi party candidate on
the grounds that it is a vote wasted? It is such thinking that leads to the
continued political dominance of the Demopublicans. Power gets passed back
and forth--the Democrats increase social spending, the Republicans increase
defense spending and fighting drugs and sex. Government continues to grow.
Yet people choose not to vote for the only party that offers a change to the
ever-growing Leviathan on the grounds that such a vote is "wasted."
I fail to see how "the logic of voting Libertarian ... is the type of
logic that lead [sic] us to Ev Mecham being elected." It is not so clear
that Carolyn Warner would have beaten Mecham if Bill Schultz had not entered
the race. It is clear, however, that she would have been a terrible
governor.
Message: 53215
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last...
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 21:29:30
But I do not believe in what the Libertarian Party stands for.
The reason they do not get the Votes is that the people of this land are
smart enough to see what they offer is unrealistic and won't work.
I will take that back about a "Vote being wasted" however...
If that is how you feel, Vote it! And maybe next election, people will take
notice and see not is all perfect with the Democratic or Republican party.
But you know they will only look, if the numbers are LARGE....
Cliff
Message: 53216
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 22:49:26
And the numbers will only be "LARGE" if jerks like you quit saying "a
Libertarian vote is wasted."
However, I'm a jerk, and I'm voting for Bush. I believe in picking the
lesser of two evils. If I had my druthers, it would be a Libertarian
President and Congress. Short of that, as Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr.
(vice-chairman of Ron Paul's campaign) pointed out in a letter in the last
Reason, I would prefer a Democratic president and Republican Congress to the
converse (which is what we've had, mostly, for the last seven years).
I agree that the Libertarian platform isn't completely workable. The great
benefit the Libertarians get from having no chance at real power (at least
in the near future) is that they don't have to compromise their ideals to
political realities. However, a laissez-faire economy, with a very small
government, is workable, equitable and efficient, and is the best of the
available alternatives. The question the Libertarians haven't answered is
how to bring such a system into being, and how to make it stable from the
inevitable attempts to use government as tool of legitimized coercion (which
is what happens now). I'm not sure there is an answer.
The Libertarian party also has the problem, as a fringe party, that it
attracts a fringe element. But the Democratic and Republican party have
fringes, and the Libertarian fringe is a lot more harmless.
Message: 53217
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Todd
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 23:39:08
Don't you think it only 'seems' that they are giving them more time because
they are having their convention.
Wait till the Republicans have theirs, and then you can judge preferential
media treatment, or not. Seems elementary to me.
Boy, Dukakis sure patched it up with JJ quickly. Wonder what he promised
him, or what the threat was?
Carol->
p.s. Did anyone see Jon Jon introduce the Chappaquidik Kid?
Pat McMahon said he was going to but I didn't catch it on the
news canywhere.
Message: 53218
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Apro
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 05:45:38
1. I'd leave America for one million dollars.
2. No - wouldn't kill one soul to end hunger.
3. I'd want the body of a 30 year old at 90.
4. Hell yes I'd step on a roach - I do it for nothing now.
5. I'd give up ALL I own for a pill that would let me sleep for 1 hour and
be refreshed.
7. No - no cricket eating
8. I'd go three months without bathing.
9. I'd have my finger removed (any one of them) for no diseases.
10. I'd give up TV to feed a 1,000 children
11. No - no nightmares.
Message: 53219
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Cliff/voting
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 05:50:39
I promiced myself a long time ago never to vote for the lesser of two evils
again and I havn't! I don't agree with the Libertarian party a 100% - but it
beats the heck out of the other two at this stage of politics! Personally,
I'd like to see just SOME of the Lib. ideas get into our government right
now. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53220
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Bush
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 06:07:17
Why can't he be a wimp and be a decorated pilot? What's that got to do with
it? He'll walk that same, safe path as all the rest of the politicians walk
- not rocking his political boat if he can help it! He'll also spend his
forth year in office campaining for the next four years. In reality, we
elect a president for only three year. Their out kissing babies the last
year! Their hasn't been a president or anyone running that has stirred the
people to a better America for several years now. Bobby Kennedy was the
last. He made people feel good about being an American and he gave hope. Now
all we have to look forward to is taxes being raised, the national debt will
not come close to being paid and hope and pray that the new guy won't push
that button! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53221
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: vote
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 06:30:00
Ev for the white house, and my dog duke for V.P.
Message: 53222
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Todd/media
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 07:49:30
It's hard to conceive of the Arizona media, mostly conservative as it is,
being biased in favor of the Democrats.
It is probable that more is being heard of the Dems at the moment because
their conention is in progress, and is being reported as news.
I'm sure that when the Republicans hold their convention they will get equal
time and space.
The way things look from here, I just wish that there was a space on the
ballot for "none of the above". THere is nobody running for anything that
really appeals to me, but I will probably vote for Dukakis, simply because I
don't want another 4 or 8 years of Reagan clonism.
Message: 53223
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 09:12:52
Yes, he is from the Door.
Message: 53224
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: School
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 13:14:37
David, don't feel too bad, I think we can arange to call Apollo a couple
times a semester. The money is worth it, if people like you really care.
My favorite mall preacher quote-paraphrased. When judgement day comes, I
will be behind Oral Roberts and JESUS destroying the non-believers.
I also found out, some of the mall preachers are actually Drama students
practicing. Again, these are a small percentage, and are usually the less
fanatical ones, EH???
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 53225
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 17:18:38
A White Plains, New York, youth was charged with indecent
exposure after he allegedly dropped his pants and exposed
himself to a person dressed as Gumby.
A burglar broke into an Alton, Illinois, home, baked a
cherry pie, ate a slice, and left. According to police, the
intruder left the uneaten portion of the pie in the
refrigerator.
A woman in Pinole, California, complained to police that a
man wearing an "Inspector" badge approached her as she was
leaving a grocery store and informed her that her purple
pants had religious significance.
A student at Northwestern University was found jumping up
and down on the roof of a parked car by an officer on
patrol. The young man said it was okay for him to damage
the car because it was rented.
Message: 53226
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 17:26:50
The following reports were filed by police in Bellingham,
Washington:
Doris E. McBride was cited for shoplifting after she ate
about a pound of mushrooms in a store without paying.
An unidentified man was stopped by officers in the
downtown area because he was kicking car tires and drinking
from mud puddles. The man maintained he was "having a bad
day."
In Chicago, Bernard Hayes shot and killed his friend
Sammy Diggs during an argument. The dispute erupted after
the television set they were watching began to roll
vertically.
In Riverdale, Illinois, forty-eight-year-old Michael S.
Allen was arrested after he shot and killed his
eighty-eight-year-old mother because she insisted on
watching *The Bill Cosby Show*.
Message: 53227
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd/Bias media
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 19:16:38
Oh, come one! The media bias? That's silly, we all know they're objective
and fair. Of course, I seem to remember a message pointing out poll results
showing how bias the media is. Something like this:
The January (1988) issue of Reader's Digest has an article entitled "Can We
Trust the News?" They cite a book, The Media Elite, which finds reporters
to have voted Democrat by a margin of 94%. It also cites a Los Angeles Times
poll of 3000 newspaper editors and reporters.
Political Persuasion
Liberal Conservative
55% <=(Journalists)=> 17%
24% <=(Public)=> 29%
Those who favor Abortion
Journalists Public
82% 51%
Those who favor Affirmative Action
Journalists Public
81% 57%
Those who defend homosexual rights
Journalists Public
89% 56%
Those who voted for Reagan in 1984
Journalists Public (electorate)
26% 59%
The message was posted by some guy named Todd.
Message: 53228
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol/Paul
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 10:15:38
At this time, it only SEEMS that way. I'll wait until the media covers the
Republican side of things and see if there really is media bias.
Reviewing the last message by David Burkhart quoting some message entered by
some guy named Todd (one who he could be) tends to beef up my point of view.
Message: 53229
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mother Theresa
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 16:12:04
Mother Theresa was indicted today on charges of cocaine smuggling.
Message: 53230
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Libertarian wackos
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 16:20:29
There are immense differences between the Democratic and Republican parties.
Only a nut would deny this. And though neither is perfect, the Republicans
are certainly preferable. Libertarians? Their ideas on economics make a
lot of sense, and are shared by many conservatives. On social issues their
views make a degree of sense, though they are too quick to dismiss
legitimate concerns about the consequences of, for example, legalizing
drugs. Also, as Dean Hathaway has demonstrated, their views on abortion are
shallow and mindless. It is their views on foreign policy, however, that
make the Libertarians not worthy of being taken seriously. Libertarians
would like to see international relations conducted by private
organizations. They are opposed on principle to aiding freedom-fighters,
because they cannot distinguish between paying very modest taxes and being
subjected to communist torture. Libertarianism, at least of the variety
espoused by the Libertarian Party, is a utopian ideology, which, like all
utopian ideologies, makes the perfect the enemy of the good. If the
Libertarians came to power, we would be in trouble.
Message: 53231
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 17:05:35
Officials in India have "banned winking by female models
in commercials as part of a campaign to improve the
country's morals."
According to a spokeman for Doordarshan, the state-run
television network, "All sorts of hidden meanings come up
with winking when the model advertises, say, lipstick."
"In Richmond, California, one man died and another was
injured during a brawl that broke out while a family
watched a *60 Minutes* report on police brutality in
Richmond."
When a neighbor of a seventy-year-old-man called police to
report that the man was apparently dead because he failed to
respond to repeated knocking at the door, police found the
man in fine health. The man told officers he was ignoring
the neighbor on purpose. "I have a cold six-pack in the
refrigerator," he explained, "and he knows it."
Message: 53232
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: News update
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 17:25:20
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President George Bush vowed today that if he is
elected president, he will "build on the Reagan legacy of economic
violence."
"We've come far, but we haven't come far enough," Bush told an audience
of corporate fat cats and bomb-building billionaires. "Even after eight
years of Reaganomics, the poor still have way too much money, and the rich
don't have enough. We must work to correct this equity."
Bush said he would consider a tax increase on the poor "only as a last
resort," and added that he would prefer to "wage economic violence more
subtly, like with the plant-closing notification law." Bush referred to a
law he has proposed under which if a company closed a plant, it would have
to wait 60 days before it told its workers.
Message: 53233
Author: Jeff Watkins
Category: Bulletins
Subject: The Rat's Nest
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 18:16:33
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Message: 53234
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 19:10:33
Not all libertarians share Hathaway's views on abortion (there is a
"Libertarians for Life" anti-abortion group, for example), not all
libertarians are isolationist (look at the Reason Foundation, for example).
At least you qualified your remark about utopian ideology with "of the
variety espoused by the Libertarian Party". Reading the pages of magazines
such as Liberty show that many libertarians are not supporters of the
Libertarian Party. The existence of the Libertarian Republican Organizing
Committee is also evidence of this.
Voting Libertarian can be viewed not only as an attempt to get a
candidate elected (as the odds of that are obviously nil) but as an attempt
to get the other parties to take notice of the libertarian position and
possibly incorporate libertarian philosophy into their own platforms.
As for "immense" differences between the Republicans and Democrats, it
depends upon the scale on which the measurement is made. While the
Libertarian Party has a fairly consistent philosophy, the Republicans and
Democrats do not. Members of those two parties fall neatly into the
liberal-conservative spectrum, with a great deal of overlap (what, for
instance, is the difference between a conservative Democrat and a liberal
Republican?).
Message: 53235
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: more
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 19:21:56
"They are opposed on principle to aiding freedom-fighters, because they
cannot distinguish between paying very modest taxes and being subjected to
communist torture."
What does paying taxes have to do with libertarians aiding
freedom-fighters? Most libertarians have no objection to individuals or
groups voluntarily supplying aid to "freedom-fighters." Oh, what you really
mean is "They are opposed on principle to government financing
freedom-fighters with tax dollars." Why didn't you say so?
Your conclusion is also obviously completely bogus. Libertarians do
Most libertarians do regard any taxation as a form of coercion and thus
illegitimate use of force--as is communist (or capitalist) torture. But I
don't think there are any who don't recognize a difference between the two.
They simply regard the difference as a quantitative rather than qualitative
one.
Your argument is attacking a straw man. You might well have said "they
cannot distinguish between pickpockets and mass murderers."
By the way, most libertarians DO make the distinction you want them to
make--between legitimate and illegitimate government use of force. Most
simply draw the line around legitimate government force much narrowly than
you.
Message: 53236
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 23:48:33
Re: Wimp.
I heard another one today:
"Bush is a toothache of a man."
Loved it!
This Republican is an ex-elephant lover.
Carol->
Message: 53237
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 23:48:50
That figures!
Message: 53238
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Question?
Subject: Taranto
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 23:49:14
What are you doing in Washington?
Message: 53240
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: Close out sale
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 10:17:33
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STB Color Card (CGA) $99.00
Sanyo CRT 80 (RGB)
Message: 53241
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 17:08:17
I regard myself as something of a libertarian (small l) in that I believe
freedom deserves a position at the top of any heirarchy of values. The
problem with the ideology espoused by some libertarians is that it considers
freedom to be the only value. There are libertarians, for example, who will
argue in favor of drug legalization and simply reject any discussion of the
social costs of drugs, claiming it is simply a matter of freedom versus
coercion. I believe that the decision about whether to legalize drugs
should be made on the basis of the projected social costs and benefits, with
enhanced freedom counting as one of the benefits. (I am not certain how
this cost-benefit analysis would come out; I tend to lean toward
legalizaion, though I am on the fence.)
Doctrinaire libertarians also have a rather narrow view of the scope of
freedom -- and this shows up in their attitude toward foreign policy. I
know libertarians who think the United States should not provide government
aid to the Afghan, Nicaraguan, or Angolan freedom-fighters, because those
funds would have to be taken coercively from the American taxpayers. But
what about the freedom for which the Afghans, Nicaraguans, and Angolans are
fighting? Does the value of freedom stop at the borders?
Message: 53242
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: them Dems...
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 17:32:26
What do you think about that Democratic convention... How utterly
BORING! I thought more of Mondale 4 years ago than I do of Dukakis.... and
look how badly he got beat. I think after the Democrats get their little
asses stomped into the ground again, they will get the picture America is
just plain tired of give away social programs... throwing money at the
problems are not going to make them go away.
VOTE REPUBLICAN... Keep America Prosperous!
Message: 53243
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 17:59:15
I am in complete agreement with your first paragraph.
The second I am not sure I fully agree with. If a libertarian is also an
anarchist, then he would be opposed to government aid because of his
opposition to government. On the other hand, the majority of libertarians
simply support a minimal government which would have money to work with
(though perhaps financed by user fees rather than taxes). Such libertarians
who oppose intervention on the part of their government are then faced with
the problem you present. To my mind, this should really be dealt with as
two issues rather than one. 1. What would be appropriate for the government
*as it exists now*? 2. What would be appropriate for an ideal government?
The first question is pragmatic politics, the second is philosophy. I
think the problem with most libertarians is that they fail to make this
distinction, and try to apply answers to the second question to the first.
(BTW, the first question could be lengthened to include criteria for moving
closer to the ideal from where we presently are.)
You are quite right that many libertarians have a rather shallow view of
morality. This is illustrated by the results of a poll taken by Liberty
magazine (July 1988) in which respondents were asked a variety of moral
questions. The results prompted several Liberty editors to call the
respondents "nuts." Some examples in the next message.
Message: 53244
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: who are these nuts?
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 18:03:55
How much is that baby in the window?
The problem: "Suppose that a parent of a new-born baby places it in
front of a picture window and sells tickets to anyone wishing to observe the
child starve to death. He makes it clear that the child is free to leave at
any time, but that anyone crossing his lawn will be viewed as trespassing.
"Would you cross the lawn and help the child?"
Yes: 89%
No: 11%
"Would helping the child violate the parent's rights?"
Yes: 26%
No: 74%
Starving Baby, the Sequel
"Suppose that a parent decides to experiment with a radical new diet for
his new-born child.
"Should you prevent the parent from trying the diet, if you had good
evidence that it would endanger the child's health?"
Yes: 41%
No: 59%
"Suppose that you had good evidence that the diet would endanger the
child's life?"
Yes: 62%
No: 38%
Message: 53245
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: even bigger nuts
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 18:08:48
Trespass or Die!
"Suppose that you are on a friend's balcony on the 50th floor of a
condominium complex. You trip, stumble and fall over the edge. You catch a
flagpole on the next floor down. The owner opens his window and demands you
stop trespassing.
"Which of the following statements reflects your beliefs?"
You should enter the owner's residence against the owner's wishes.
84%
You should hang on to the flagpole until a rope can be thrown down from
above.
15%
You should drop.
2%
(BTW, 2% is one person.)
The Unexpected Blizzard
"Suppose that your car breaks down in an unpredicted blizzard. You are
trapped and may well freeze before help can get to you. You know that
there is only one house within hiking distance. You hike to it. The owner,
a frightened woman whose husband is absent, refuses to admit you (she has no
phone, so asking her to telephone for help is pointless).
"Which of the following statements reflects your beliefs?"
You should force entrance, but in this case it would not constitute an
act of aggression. 16%
Message: 53246
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 18:13:52
You should force entrance, even though it would be an act of aggression.
62%
You should not attempt to enter the house.
22%
While in nearly all of these cases I think the majority answered correctly
(the exception being the answer to the first question about the starving
baby sequel), there were way too many people choosing way-out answers.
(Another bizarre one: 44% didn't think parents have a legal obligation to
support their offspring.)
Message: 53247
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 18:58:54
If you get a chance to see George Bush speak in person, go. He's
impressive. A few excerpts from a New Republic article on Bush:
"A former White House official says she recently heard Bush discuss the
Soviet Union in person and was impressed. Then she saw him talk about the
same subject on TV and was turned off. When Linda Chavez ran the public
liason office at the White House, she once encountered in Bush in the West
Wing lobby. Bush said 'Hi Linda,' kissed her on the cheek, and walked on.
A woman who was with Chavez at the time asked 'Who was that handsome man?'"
It's a matter of perception. I'm probably one of the few people who likes
Bush better as a person and leader than as someone who agrees with me
ideologically. But whatever your opinion of Bush, it's hard to believe
anyone can respect that buffoon Dukakis.
"You want long term notification of plant closings? OK: if Dukakis is
elected President, a lot of plants are going to close." -- a sign in the
offices of the Conservative Union.
Message: 53248
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 19:40:11
Carol wants STYLE, not SUBSTANCE.
Message: 53249
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto/foreign aid
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 21:45:18
Yes, it should stop at the borders. You believe that the Soviet Union
and Cuba and Nicaragua shouldn't act outside of their borders, why should
we?
Rev. Beau
Message: 53250
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Manual...
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 23:03:56
Oh well, there was not enough interest in a new Apollo 7.2+ manual,
so it has been trashed. As you might understand, it was quite an
undertaking and just not worth the very small response that was recieved.
To those of you who did ask... SORRY!
SYSOP
Message: 53251
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Poet's questions
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 23:29:17
1. No I would not give up my country for a measly 1 million dollars.
2. I would not kill an innocent person for any reason.
3. I'll take the years of expereince, an so I would take the body.
That way I could still do a lot of things I like to do.
4. Butterfly wings bye, bye -- I love to travel.
5. To only need 1 hour sleep a day would be great.
6. I don't like crickets.
7. For 3 months of no personal hygine(sp) it would cost $60,000.
8. I like all my fingers - but you could have one if I ever got a life
threating disease.
9. Yes I would give up TV watching to feed starving childeren.
10. I might concide having night mares if the one hour sleep pill was still
working. But then again never mind a peaceful nights sleep is more
valuable.
<<< Joe >>>
Message: 53252
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann/ Lesser Evil
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 23:31:34
So Ann, do you now choose between the lesser of 3 evils?
<<< Joe >>>
Message: 53253
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Question?
Subject: Evils
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 05:12:00
I, as most of you, don't like the Democrats' "tax and spend" mentality,
but I don't like the Republicans' "borrow and spend" either. Sure, Regan
has not raised taxes, but he *has* run up over $3 trillion in debt. That
cannot continue indefinately, so whoever follows him is going to have to do
something drastic to fix it: severe cuts in spending, or big tax hikes.
I'm afraid that just cutting spending won't do it -- the best you'd
accomplish is keep from running up more debt.
One thing I think can be done is a "zero tolerence" for contractor fraud.
Any contractor that defrauds the government shall have *all* of its assets
and divisions confiscated, and auctioned off.
Another idea is to cut defense spending by 50%. Since well over that
amount is wasted, that wouldn't require any cuts in our military
capabilities. Just require each department in the DoD to cut its spending
by 10% each quarter, with no cuts in service. Any department that fails to
do this would have all of its managers fired. If the DoD as a whole fails
to meet this goal, the Secretary of Defense should be fired.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 53254
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Alan
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 06:59:35
Your last message makes a lot of sense Alan.
Speaking from 32 years of experience as a government employee, I think I
speak conservatively when I say that at least 60% of all fiscal waste in
government could be eliminated simply by getting rid of 90% of middle
management personnel, 95% of upper management, and putting a stop to ALL the
inflation of prices that the government pays for it's purchases. (Like the
$400 toilet seats, etc.) Let contracts be let to the lowest bidder who will
perform to established standards, eliminating all cost-plus contracts. That
way, those 20 million dollar airplanes could probably be produced for
$150,000. (I can buy a perfectly functional toilet seat at K-Mart for about
$10.00)
Message: 53255
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Question?
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 07:40:20
What is freedom?
If cutting deductions is not a tax increase What is it?
Will we stop electing known crooks to office?
Will we ever wake up and look at us?
Message: 53256
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: BUSH ON TV
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 08:55:28
Bush can be effective on television -- IF he's given the right
forum. During the primary season I saw him on C-SPAN in a
question-and-answer session. He worked "in the round", responding without
notes or a script to questions posed by persons who were apparently members
of the general public.
He was very effective. His campaign people should emphasize those
kinds of forums and to figure out how to construct them so the boys from the
networks can get the 20-second sound bites they want for the evening news.
This would represent sort of a neo-traditional way of campaigning:
Something of a return to the whistle-stop tours where candidates would speak
to small groups of townspeople, only the candidate would be dealing with the
proverbial global village. It would take great advantage of television's
ability to make its audience feel the candidate is speaking directly and
straightforwardly to them.
Message: 53257
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 09:20:00
Don't be silly. A B1 could not be produced for $150,000.
Message: 53258
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim/snow storms
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 12:06:53
My oldest boy, who was about three years old, and I found ourselves
in one HECK of a snow storm. We lived in the country and were on our way
home when the storm rose its ugly head. Visibility was zero. The roads were
no longer visible, even the houses could not be seen from the road. My only
clue to whether I was still on a road or not was a brief glimpse of a mail
box. To make a long story short ....... I got lost and stuck. The passenger
side of the car was covered with snow and my side was quickly becoming
covered. I was able to make out the outline of a house not too far from
where we were stuck. I bundled Travis with everything I had, which meant I
gave up some of my warm goodies. We crawled out the car window and, with
my body shielding Travis from the cold wind, we walked as fast as we could
to the house. My lungs were ready to burst, one side of my face was covered
with ice, and my mind was telling me that I was not going to make it. When
we reached the door to the house I opened the door, pushed Travis in, and I
followed after. In the kitchen the house owners and kids stopped what they
were doing and looked at us in surprise. I do not even remembering saying
anything to them, I looked at them and then lead Travis to their fireplace.
From there we got acquainted .... no hard feelings and we were not thrown
out.
Message: 53259
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: The Zone!
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:23:29
For all of you that has never been in the Phantom Zone - don't ask Cliff to
put you there! Don't do anything to be put there! It's hell. I know.
=*--ANN the contrite!--*=
P.S. Did you all miss me?
Message: 53260
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Cliff/demos
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:25:13
I too watched the convention and was impressed much to my surprise! Heck, I
might even give up my Libertarian ideas and be a democrate again.
=*--ANN--*=
Message: 53261
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/Libertarians
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:25:45
I claim victory for Jim Lippard. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 53262
Author: $ Mike Darus
Category: Politics
Subject: DEMOCRATS
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 16:31:51
The democrats can stage a good party and they certainly know how to
transform some preaching into a powerful speech (Jesse). They do well at
belittling a VP. I just don't think our deficit can handle their high
dreams and low morals. They seem so pro-family as they promote abortion and
gays. It is amazing what good staging and salesmanship can do to the same
old inadequacies.
Message: 53263
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: IBM type stuff!
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 16:38:20
IBM Compatible Computer Software.... On CLEARANCE Sale!!!!
Some Examples.....
QUATTRO by Borland list...247.50 Sale P
Message: 53264
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: MacTablet Clearance
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 16:42:12
Yep, I will be clearing out 8 of these MacTablets.
Summa 12 X 12 Digitizer...
List $599.00 Sale Price $349.00
(this Sale will start next Tuesday, reserve one now)
Message: 53265
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 20:22:31
A representative of the Fallon McElligott advertising
agency of Minneapolis illustrated a university lecture with
an ad showing three women and the headline "Bitch. Bitch.
Bitch." In a letter to the agency, Dr. Neala Schleuning,
director of women's studies at the school, complained about
the "negative stereotypes" of women in the presentation. In
response, an agency manager thanked her sarcastically and
enclosed a picture of a naked African youth pressing his
mouth against a cow's hindquarters. He suggested the
feminist might want to visit Africa and "put an end to this
horrible practice."
Dr. Schleuning complained about the manager's response to
the heads of the agency, Patrick Fallon and Thomas
McElligott. Their reply was an offer to pay her expenses
for a one-way trip to Africa, and they shipped a pith helmet
and a mosquito net to her office.
Fallon McElligott lost a ten-million-dollar account,
U S West, Inc., as a result of the incident.
Message: 53266
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 20:34:50
The following excerpts are from an entry which appears
in the freelance writers' directory *Writer's Market '88*:
"*Foreskin Quarterly*, Desmodus Inc., Box 11314, San
Francisco, CA 94101. (415) 864-3456. Editor: Bud Berkeley.
90% freelance written. Quarterly magazine covering
circumcision. 'Most writers are anti-circumcision but both
sides are solicited and pro-circumcision writers are also
invited to submit.' Circ. 15,000....
"Nonfiction: Book excerpts, essays, expose, historical/
nostalgic, how-to, humor, interview/profile, new product,
opinion, personal experience, photo feature, technical, and
travel....
"Fiction: Adventure, confession, erotica, ethnic, fantasy,
historical, humorous, religious, science fiction, and
suspense. Must have foreskin/circumcision slant....
"Tips: 'Writers must have genuine interest in subject.'"
Sandra Smith, a resident of McKeesport, Pennsylvania,
filed suit in Common Pleas Court for injuries sustained
when a portable toilet she was using in a local park
toppled. According to Smith, she suffered a broken left arm
and injuries to her back, neck, and spine. Also, the blue
dye in the toilet bowl caused temporary disfigurement when
it washed over her entire body.
Message: 53267
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 21:21:29
You're right, there's no difference between the United States and the Soviet
Union or Cuba, so why worry about them?
Message: 53268
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 21:32:28
Responsible conservatives and responsible libertarians are not that far
apart. In fact, I would consider libertarian organizations like the Reason
Foundation and the Cato Institute (excluding some of the foreign policy
views of the latter) to be within the spectrum of conservative thought. A
libertarian of this type is just a conservative who doesn't believe in
state intervention in matters of personal morality and who has muddled views
about foreign policy. I would exclude the more doctrinnaire libertarians
from the conservative camp, largely because they exclude themselves.
Message: 53269
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff/Election
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 22:23:54
What do you consider a landslide? I'll put my money against yours that the
Democrats will not lose by more than 15%. Care to put your money where your
mouth is?
Message: 53270
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last on Landslide...
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 00:08:17
Find where I said they were going to win by a landslide?
Cliff
Message: 53271
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 10:44:08
Ha ha, you lose. Attempting to cast the 'revolution without borders'
analogy aside just shows how strong that argument is.
Rev. Beau
Message: 53272
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Bush and ????
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 11:43:20
Who do you think Bush should pick for Vice President?
Who are the possible choices? Lets get a list up and maybe a ote and see
if we on Apollo can guess in advance.
Or do you have a better idea?
Message: 53273
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bush's V.P.
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 13:10:37
I heard on KTAR news radio, one represenative of the Republican Party says
Bush should choose a well known Californian Politician. He said Bush should
have Ed Meese as his running mate....
I am considering Babbit, Randy of the Redwoods, or Bill and Opus for my
Presidental vote.
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 53274
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 14:49:34
A test message written by a team of employees working on a
computer program for the Wells Fargo Bank of Modesto,
California, was not erased and inadvertently appeared on
seven thousand monthly statements sent to customers. The
message read: "You owe your soul to the company store. Why
not owe your home to Wells Fargo? An equity advantage
account can help you spend what would have been your
children's inheritance."
Jordache, the designer-jeans manufacturer, lost its
lawsuit against an Albuquerque, New Mexico, company which
sells designer jeans for hefty women under the label
Lardashe. According to *Insight* magazine, "The
Denver-based Tenth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected
Jordache's argument that the Lardashe name was an attempt to
confuse the public."
Lardashe jeans are made by Oink, Inc., which considered a
number of names before deciding on Larashe in 1984. Among
the other names were Vidal Sowsoon, Calvin Swine, and
Seambusters.
Message: 53275
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 14:56:12
Two robbers entered Michael Howard Studios in Manhattan,
a training center for professional actors, and held up
twenty-eight people at gunpoint during their acting classes.
Students who heard screams during the robbery disregarded
them as just "someone acting."
From the *Los Vegas Sun*:
"An Austrian circus dwarf died recently when he bounced
sideways from a trampoline and was swallowed by a
hippopotamus. Seven thousand people watched as little Franz
Dasch popped into the mouth of Hilda the Hippo and the
animal's gag reflex forced it to swallow. The crowd
applauded wildly before other circus people realized what
happened."
Message: 53276
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bush
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 16:29:09
Kemp.
Message: 53277
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog-breath
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 16:29:39
Hey, I agree with you. There's no difference between communism and
democracy; let's just give peace a chance!
Message: 53278
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: ote GREEKING
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 17:15:48
As most of you should know, your ost Office privacy is protected
by a system called "GREEKING". This is where ALL text is shown as "xxxxxx"
on the Apollo SYSOPs Monitor, but seen as normal on your monitor.
Now, I am pleased to annouce that Apollo's oting booth is also
protected by 'GREEKING'.... making it IMPOSSIBLE for the SYSOP to see what
you select. This is to guarantee your privacy.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 53279
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 17:56:32
So that's what 'Greeking' is......here I'd always thought that it had
something to do with sexual perversions.
(LL)oyd Pulley
Message: 53280
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 19:07:13
Talk about anally retentive!
Message: 53281
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 19:46:11
Stop being so analytical.
Message: 53282
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: My Vacation
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 21:06:05
We had a great vacation this year. Last year we made a mistake and
went to the mountains and streams but I learned from that experience.
Driving back into the Phoenix desert was pure hell after being in the cool
climate so this year we started our annual trek by visiting Gila Bend and
staying a few days then we ventured on to Blythe where the weather was 116
in the shade. Well, we finally capped off our trip by visiting Death Valley
and boy was it HOT. Coming back into Phoenix was like visiting the
Mountains and streams of last year. Now, Phoenix feels cool and it was the
best vacation we ever had.
Rod
Message: 53283
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cars
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 21:11:35
I'll have to catch up on your conversation so I can respond in my
usual left winged, slanted, style but in the meanwhile I had a thought about
our great automobiles of this day and age.
Asbestos is used for brake pad lining as is clutch disks and
everytime someone 'brakes' for a stop, asbestos particles are released into
our atmosphere. Everytime a wind whips up the dirt and we take a breath, we
are inhaling those particles along with so other bad stuff. Asbestos causes
cancer.
I wonder how much longer until our society collapses? The
Christians have their rapture theory and I have my 'collapse of a poorly or
over done system'.
Rod
Message: 53284
Author: Allie Katz
Category: Answer!
Subject: Woman's perspective
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 21:58:45
I look through the messages on this bulletin board and see a lot of macho
male chauvanism. What you need is a woman's perspective. I plan to stay
around to provide that view. So watch out. By the way, I am a friend of JT
from Washington. He and I think nothing alike, however. He is a right-wing
conservative while I am a good progressive feminist. However, I find him
stimulating. (Don't get the wrong idea, wise person.) JT and I go out
drinking and arguing from time to time and he has shown me this board and
convinced me to call it.
Message: 53285
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 23:29:08
Do you know Sheri Holloway?
Message: 53286
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: NSA
Date: 07/24/88 Time: 00:00:57
I met some fellows tonight from NSA, which stands for Nichiren Shoshu of
America. They want to bring about world peace and inner happiness through
chanting. All you have to do is say "NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO" on a regular
basis. That's pronounced: nom-my-oh-ho-ren-gay-ky-oh. Go ahead, try it.
Good! Let's bring about peace on Apollo BBS.
All together now!
Chant,
NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO
NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO
NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO
NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO
NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO
Message: 53287
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Religion
Subject: CHANTS
Date: 07/24/88 Time: 00:17:47
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
OYK-EGNER-OHOYM-MAN
Rev. Beau
(P.S. Saying it backwards will bring about the enlightenment of Taranto)
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Message: 1
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Mighty SYSOPs
Subject: Welcome
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 12:42:29
If you are reading this, you must be a member of this SIG and that
means you are WAY below normal.... (that means there is something WRONG with
you).... Here we hope to potty train you for the real world and get your
message quality up where it belongs. (above sewer level)
Good luck and I hope you all graduate soon.
Message: 2
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Mighty SYSOPs
Subject: Last
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 13:20:07
whi am i in hear?
Message: 3
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Hawley Crock Smith
Subject: Hey!
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 20:30:37
How come no, "Cliff anus licker", or "Sandy cesspool sucker" categories?
You two are the lowest here! You degenerates.
Message: 4
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Rod - 60's Hippie
Subject: time
Date: 07/15/88 Time: 03:36:58
Hey, it's about TIME you got your own category, dude.
Message: 5
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Cliffart
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 09:14:42
What a bad deal this is. We all have our own terrible categories and you and
that Sysopette of yours has none. I cry foul. And how can you have this sort
of sig. without JT being in it too? He is the king of insults (except maybe
Mike Farter!) If anyone is Way below Normal - he is! Anyway - lets be fair
and see some simular categories for you and your lovely wifey! Examples: -
(S)andy Sunken Chest and (C)liff the small or some such types. Only fair!
Right now if we wish to address you or Sandy we only have such things to use
as (Z)ak Drools - (couldn't you come up with something better than that?) Or
I'd have to insult one of my frinds like using (N)ick the Dickless! By the
way - how do you know that? Been peeking? I always knew you were sort of
wierd. Why am I being so brave? If I'm gonna be put in the Zone anyway - I
might as well go in for a purpose. Hey - you missed something! When you put
us in the Zone - if you want to really make it hell for us - send in James
White too! Or would that be hell for him? Hahahahah =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
Message: 6
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: All of youse
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 09:18:07
Goodby friends! After that last 'sysop insulting message' - I may never get
out of the Zone! Please write me c/o Hades - P.O. box 666, Zone Arizona.
=*--ANNIE THE PURE--*=
Message: 7
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Mighty SYSOPs
Subject: Answer for ASSp
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 17:38:26
As you see, we SYSOPs do have a category... After all we are the
'Mighty' Gods of Apollo.
Do you really feel James Taranto belongs on this SIG? If so, do you
have a Category in mind for him that is fitting?
As to how I know about Nick....I just asked our resident Cock Smith,
Mr James Hawley.... he knows all about that sort of thing. Besides, I do
recall in that last big story on the VOId, it was amputated!
I was thinking of bringing A-L-A-N Hamilton on this SIG since he is
also WAY below normal....but have not been able to think of an A-L-A-N Elf
Category for him. Any ideas?
Mighty SYSOP
Message: 8
Author: $ Dean McCarron
Category: Wesson Oil Dean
Subject: Hmmmm. . .
Date: 07/16/88 Time: 23:53:46
I don't know about this category!
Dean
Message: 9
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Wesson Oil Dean
Subject: Last
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 03:19:39
It almost makes you sorry that you log in, doesn't it?
Message: 10
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Nick the Geek!
Subject: Cliff and Sandy
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 03:20:42
Get a life. Mighty God Sysops, ha!
Message: 11
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Mighty Sysop???
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 11:29:25
We are at your mercy - you that have preached fairness all these years. It
is only fair that you and the Sysopette have 'like' categories. It also
isn't fair that me, James, Nick and Mike have such horrid ones and Dean,
Alan, Rod and Zak have such 'cutsy' ones either! This should be called the
'(M)ighty Sysop speaks sig.'! And anyway - if you two are not Way Below
Average - what are you doing here? When are you gonna start teaching us how
to be normal? Lets have lesson number one tomorrow. I'm all for teaching JT
a lesson - on anything! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
Message: 12
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Elf A-L-A-N
Subject: Figures, don't it?
Date: 07/17/88 Time: 14:25:40
Just dropped in here for a minute. I have to go off and frolic in the
forest for a while.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 13
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Zak Drools
Subject: slobber
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 01:13:32
sssscchLURP. I *DO NOT* drool! I've just attained such a high level of
skill that I can spit VERY SLOWLY!
Once in HIGH school (a misnomer, DUDE) a teacher was giving after-class
tutoring in TRIGONOMETRY. He drooled on my homework! It was grody. A big
drop of mastication fluid, right there on my sin wave graph! A big, dark
circle of unwipable cheek juice on my nice crisp piece of notebook paper!
SH*T!!! Both the teacher and myself pretended not to notice, but no amount
of pretending could take away the embarassment of the moment, the sheer
discomfort of it all. Needless to say, it was one moment that was WAY BELOW
NORMAL... I never asked for help again in that class, and my grade dropped
from an A to a, well, let's just say that my grade was a lot closer to Z
than it was before, OK? THIS IS WHY I am NOW an ART/PSYCHOLOGY major and
not an ENGINEERING/STATISTICIAN major, and why my income bracket after
graduation has decreased by almost 40%!
I HATE DROOL! DROOL SUCKS!!! CHANGE MY CATEGORY!!!
Please send suggestions for a NEW, IMPROVED Zak Woodruff category to:
NEW CATEGORY CONTEST
999 W. Drip Dry Ave.
Peenix, AZ 2775058
Go ahead, SEND 'EM IN! Hurry up. (THIS MEANS YOU, THIS MEANS *NOW*.)
Message: 14
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Zak Drools
Subject: Zakey Baby
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 13:07:40
Here is my entry ---- (Z)ak music expert or --
(S)uper Zak
=*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
Message: 15
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Mighty Sysop
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 13:08:28
I love JT's category. =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
Message: 17
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Nick the Geek!
Subject: ^^^^^^^
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 02:28:26
How can David have entered a message when he isn't even on this SIG?
Something is fishy here...
Message: 18
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Elf A-L-A-N
Subject: Huh!
Date: 07/23/88 Time: 21:17:20
Far out, dudes?
Message: 19
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Hawley Crock Smith
Subject: this category
Date: 07/24/88 Time: 00:04:51
Didn't it used to be COCKSMITH?
And why doesn't Petrisko have a category?
How about, "Peter pontificates"?
Message: 20
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Mighty SYSOPs
Subject: answer for last...
Date: 07/24/88 Time: 00:34:32
I was forgetting he does not have a Cock, but he is full of Crock.
Also Peter Petrisko is to high in intelligence to qualify for this
SIG. Sorry Morrons!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
WAY Below Normal Bulletin Board command:JVOI
*=* Journey to a SIG *=*
*=* VOID Bulletin Board entered *=*
VOID Bulletin Board command:RC
Message to read (1418-1467):
VOID Bulletin Board command:RC-
Message to read (1418-1467):1467-
Press to abort
Message: 1467
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Life in general
Subject: Story .....
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:06:12
Sandy watches as Cliff struts around the clouds throwing his
shoulders back and waving his hands above his head.
"I am the Mighty Apollo Sysop!" shouts Cliff over and over.
"Calm down, dear. These quest seekers are not your ordinary BBS
users. They have been endowed with gifts. Be kind to them, please. You may
never know when you may need their help." remarks Sandy in a cautious tone.
"I am the Mighty Apollo Sysop! ....... No one has ever left the ZONE
without my permission ...... no one!" Cliff wipes the drool from the corners
of his mouth, walks over to the edge of the sky and watches the Quest
seekers scroll through the ZONE. Mumbling under his breath Cliff
remarks in a contemptuous tone, "Why did they eat my Cheetos? Why?"
With no notice Dean appears from the ZONE quite angry to have been
forced into another quest. Will he ever accomplish what he set out to do?
Ah, but these seekers are wise. Dean showing his might by leaving the ZONE
first.
And now .........
VOID Bulletin Board command:RC
Message to read (1418-1467):
VOID Bulletin Board command:RC
Message to read (1418-1467):1418-
Press to abort
Message: 1418
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandy & James
Date: 06/27/88 Time: 19:18:54
James is gonna meet you at your office? Do I smell a topic for a story?
I can see it now ----- Sandy and James in her office. Cliff comes home early
and catches them .......
Message: 1419
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/01/88 Time: 17:14:23
Well, ...... we met at the office, but it was Gemini's office.
Us poor defense lawyers have to take what we can get, you know.
Message: 1420
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: trial
Date: 07/01/88 Time: 17:47:20
The statues of limitation will run out on this thing if we do not
act soon.
Message: 1421
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last couple
Date: 07/01/88 Time: 18:45:20
We need to find someone who is impartial to be judge.
Message: 1422
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/01/88 Time: 21:32:46
James Taranto?
Message: 1423
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/02/88 Time: 00:22:16
You have to be kidding, eh? How about Beau Dog, then?
Message: 1424
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Judge...
Date: 07/02/88 Time: 01:13:12
I would be more than happy to be an impartial judge....
Then we can hang his guilty ass!
Message: 1425
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 07/02/88 Time: 04:19:23
I don't have a donkey.
Message: 1426
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: The last few
Date: 07/02/88 Time: 07:41:37
'What De Fug' (tm Daryl W.) are all of you talking about? Did I miss
something here? Who's guilty ass is gonna be hung? =*--ANN--*=
P.S. Have you started a new story without me?
Message: 1427
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/02/88 Time: 13:08:43
We're still discussing the trial to decide whether Hawley owes Cervelli
money. Come on, Ann, WAKE UP! That's what you get for logging on at
7:41 am.
Message: 1428
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David
Date: 07/02/88 Time: 13:40:44
Oh that! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
Message: 1429
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Mortal users
Subject: Court Case
Date: 07/03/88 Time: 02:31:05
Well I think it was settled out of court. B.D. payed Cervelli the $20,
proving that I didn't owe him the money.
Message: 1430
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Answer!
Subject: money
Date: 07/03/88 Time: 13:18:38
Sorry, I don't think that proves anything. Since I am involved in this,
however, I don't think I should try to be the judge.
Rev. Beau
Message: 1431
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Beau
Date: 07/03/88 Time: 16:30:45
I said that I would give you $5. of the settlement. I saw you last
evening but I forgot. Catch you next time.
Message: 1432
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 10:29:05
Thanks, Rod. Dean McCarron is supposed to be in for $10. I don't remember
your offer, but I will accept it.
Message: 1433
Author: $ Dean McCarron
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last. . .
Date: 07/04/88 Time: 10:31:31
I'm still in. Where do I send the money?
Dean
Message: 1434
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Court Case
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 14:28:01
Sorry, guys .....................
Nick, the prosecuting attorney, and I, the Attorney for the Defense, met at
Tower Records and settled out of court.
Message: 1435
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Court Case
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 20:11:42
You owe me $8.00 for jury duty.
I was the impartial one. Just cause Hawley and I are buddies, didn't mean a
thing.
At least we WERE friends, cheapskate!
Carol->
Message: 1436
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: question
Date: 07/06/88 Time: 20:19:58
Has anyone seen Steve MacGregor? Little Anastasia was asking.
Also, anyone hear from Mark A.?
It was a dark and stormy night. James was driving down the lonely highway,
thinking only of Pepsi and Chitos and his new D & D game. He looked out of
the window and saw, what he thought to be, a tornado, heading right for
the highway.
"Ye Gads," he yelled, eyeing the ditch on the side of the road and wondering
if he could drive the van into it at the speed he was traveling. He started
braking, braking, and then, right in front of him he saw a creature with
long white robes who had his/her arms stretched up to the sky...James braked
some more, then remembering that Ann was fast asleep in the back of the van,
yelled, swerved, swore and the van starting tipping as the wind's velocity
started increasing.....it was like a million Iranians were attacking the
van...James screamed like a Banshee Indian because he saw, oh, my Bob, he
saw........
Message: 1437
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Carol
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 01:04:19
I think the DA office owes you the $8. (Hey! I don't LIKE Cheetos!)
Message: 1438
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story-cont.
Date: 07/07/88 Time: 14:14:17
..... A big bag of Cheetos being drawn out of the sky by the image
in the white robes.
James was able to slow his Van down. He managed a rather safe stop
along the edge of the road. James turned around to wake Ann.
"Ann, Ann!" shouted James. "Come on, Ann, we don't have much time."
A strange feeling came over James ..... he looked over his shoulder
and witnessed his entired Van being covered with the Big Bag of Cheetos that
were taken from the sky.
"Oh, no!" thought James. "Am I going to have to eat my way out this
mess?"
Ann woke up to a cheeto colored sky. After James briefed her of the
strange happenings of the the white robed image Ann suggested ........
Message: 1439
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 09:29:49
... that he start eating those Cheetoes or they'd never get out of there. So
James started eating them even though he hated the taste.
"Who was that White robed figure you saw James?"
"Crunch, chew, munch, gag -- I dunno (choke) but I have an idea Ann"!
"Well for lords sake James, stop eating those damned Cheetoes long enough to
tell me will you?"
James glared at her, but answered between bites. "I didn't really get a good
look, but who else could it be but .....
Message: 1440
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/08/88 Time: 11:42:12
... My evil twin. He's always getting me in trouble, and I have to take the
blame for all the stuff. Nobody ever believes that's not me, so I just have
to take the rap. He spits out the mouthful of Cheetos (TM), and gets out of
the van. And there under the left front tire is a body! The feet had on a
pair of ruby red sneakers. Somehow the shoes looked kind of familiar. From
out of the East came a dark, ominous cloud. And out of the cloud
appeared...
Message: 1441
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: APPEARED
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 01:12:47
Mighty Mouth!!!
Message: 1442
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Fun & Games
Subject: Spaz
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 03:58:32
I was thinking, why don't we give her a call and try to arrange a GT?
Message: 1443
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 07:01:25
James and Ann were in total awe of Mighty Mouth as he decended from the
clouds. They both fell to their knees in a worshipful pose.
"Drat!" said James.
"Whats the matter"?
"I knelt in these damned Cheetoes and they got my pants dirty!"
"Never mind the Cheetoes James. We are in the presence of greatness and all
you can think about is your pants getting dirty. Will you please pay
attention?"
James mumbled under his breath, but turned his attention to Mighty Mouth.
The clouds were parting and silver and gold beams of light played around
their faces and their eyes shown bright in their adoration.
Mighty Mouth landed right in front of them - his white robe flowing in the
breeze like gossomer wings of an Angel. He looked down on them with loving
benevolence.
Ann could not keep looking at such beauty and lowered her eyes. But James
started peering closer and couldn't believe his eyes when he realized who
Mighty Mouth really was.
"Well I'll be damned" he thought. "Thats ......
Message: 1444
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 22:39:21
.... that's..." He couldn't hardly say it.
"That's.... Vanna White!?"
Message: 1445
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/09/88 Time: 23:51:37
He couldn't believe what he was thinking....he glanced over at Ann and her
eyes were still downcast. 'Hey, dummy,' he whispered, giving her a nudge
with his elbow....'look who we got here.'
Slowly Ann, the shy one, glanced upwards and saw for herself the glorious
face of Mighty Mouth.....'oh, my Lawd,' she exclaimed.....then lowering her
voice, she whispered to the crutty kid with the fat knees, 'It's Robert
Redford....none other, than that beautiful Robert Redford...' She began
trembling.
The CK with the FK looked at her like she was crazy. 'You got bats in your
head, gal...that, that is VANNA WHITE.'
Meanwhile, back in the sky, the vision of beauty was becoming impatient.
'How long do you expect me to hold this pose, you jerks?'
'Well, you don't have to get hostile,' snapped Ann, getting up from her
worshipful pose and brushing the cheeto crumbs from her jeans...The CK with
the FK started roaring with laughter as he arose....'Cliffy!' he yelled.
'Did you find the rocket?'
Cliff started soaring, higher and higher, and off in the distance, anyone
within two miles could have heard him screaming, 'Why, you.......'
Message: 1446
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 05:05:35
... dork! You used the same epoxy as you did on the Apollo II rocket! It's
going to fly apart at any second." As he said this ....
Message: 1447
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/10/88 Time: 07:17:17
... the rocket choose to start caughing and sputtering. It finally jerked to
a halt about 500 feet above Ann and James and then slowly started it's
decent. Cliff was sill screeming expletives, the likes of which Ann and
James had never heard. HE cames down with a sickening 'thud' on the soft
pile of Cheetoes. They both ran over to him and were happy to find he wasn't
hurt. But it was obvious by the look of his red face that he was furious.
Before he could say a thing, James said "What the hell you doing Cliff in
that garb? Playing God again?"
Cliff stood up, brushing himself off and glared at him.
"You bet I am a god - the god of Apollo you idiot."
"You ain't no god Cliff" piped Ann. "If you were, that rocket wouldn't have
crashed with you on it!"
"Shut up woman! I didn't build this stupid rocket - James did. If I had a
hand in it, it would have blasted off perfectly!"
James went over and looked at what was left of the rocket. He turned towards
Cliff and said "No Cliff, I did not build this rocket. I had nothing to do
with it."
"If that's the case, then who did?" Cliff asked between clinched teeth.
"See this marking on the side here?" James pointed to a piece of metal that
had what looked like to be the numbers '666' written on it. "Everyone that
has a brain in their head would know this is the trademark of ......
Message: 1448
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 13:34:04
.......of Playboy."
"No, no," said Ann. "Can't you remember anything, James? The trademark of
Playboy is -- sex, sex, sex -- not 666."
"I stand corrected," replied James. "You are a real Cheeto. You know
that?"
Before Ann could tell the Mighty god Apollo SySop who she thought
had made the rocket, Cliff noticed the body underneath James' Van. Cliff was
paying special notice to the Ruby Red Sneakers.
"First, you try to eat all my Cheetos. Then you accuse someone else
of ruining my rocket. And now THIS.........!" Cliff's voice rises in anger
as he waves his hand over James and Ann. "For this I shall .........."
Message: 1449
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 14:23:13
For this I shall ..... put you James Hawley and you Ann Oudin
into the dreaded "PHAntom ZONE" on the 15th day of this month. And the SIG
of INSults will fall from the sky into the great VOId of lost messages.
Behold the power of the "Mighty" SYSOP........
With those words, the SYSOP vanishes in a puff of greasy blue smoke
and a loud clap of thunder......
The Body under James' Van began to come to life, James and Ann could
hear a muffled voice pleading for help, as the Ruby Red Sneakers wiggled
about, as if the person below was trying to tap the heals together.
Just at that time, the Van began to heave and ........
Message: 1450
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ... and ...
Date: 07/11/88 Time: 20:42:27
suddenly, the Van flew in the air, as if some magical force from beyond had
picked it up like a child's toy and threw it across the room. Ann could not
believe who was under the van. He seemed a little bewildered, but not near
as confused as James, who was shocked to see the person wearing the Ruby Red
sneakers.
It was Dean McCarron. In his hand, was, of course, a half empty (or is that
half full?) bottle of Wesson oil.
Message: 1451
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: story
Date: 07/12/88 Time: 10:23:44
"Oh no!" cries Ann. "Not the Wesson oil again! What have you got that
for Dean"?
Dean scrambles out from underneath the van and brushes off his ruby red
sneakers. "You both know that I never did get even with Nick for that
last 'Wesson Oil' episode. This time will be another story for sure"!
James smirks and says "Oh yeah! And what pray tell do you intend to do
to Nick"?
"Never you mind James. That's between Nick and I. But I will be
avenged"!
"Well, you'd better get on with your 'avenging' Dean cause here comes
'ole Nick' now"!
All three turned to look up the road and could see Nick tooling along
at 40 miles an hour in his beat up jeolopy. Ann's heart gave a lurch of
pity for Nick because she knew it was her fault that he was in the
shape he was in now. If only they hadn't raced their cars that one day
three weeks back. If only he hadn't bet all that he had in the world on
the race - if only he hadn't of had so much pride! She was recalling
the race that was still vivid in her mind - the sharp turn that Nick
didn't make - the ditch he plowed his car in - the total look of
devastation on his face when he knew he had lost that race! And now,
Dean was going to make Nick's life a bit worse with that Wesson Oil
again. Out of the corner of her eye, she could see Dean uncorking the
bottle and .....
Message: 1452
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: You Twit!
Subject: Story.....
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 17:39:57
witnessed Dean corking the bottle of Wesson Oil.
"Nah," remarks Dean, "I'm not going to waste what is left of this precious
Oil on Nick. I am on a journey and must finish my quest."
"A quest?" inquires James.
"A quest?" questions Ann.
"A quest?" mumbles Nick as he plants his feet solidly into the
ground to stop his 'car'.
"Yes, a quest," responds Dean in a triumphant manner, "My quest was
interupted by this confounded Van running over me."
"Oh, no!" remarks James fearing for his life. "I did not mean to run
you over, Dean. The wind, the black cloud, the ...," James studders and
shakes with fear as he tries to visually recount the white robed figure.
"The ..... the ...... the WHITE ROBED FIGURE!" exclaimes James.
Dean makes his way towards James and comforts him. "I understand now
what happened, James. It's not your fault you are too easy of a target."
With that, Dean unselfishly gives James a drop of the precious Oil.
"Take this, James. This is to show you that there are no hard feelings.
You may need this Oil. Soon, some woman will say 'yes'."
"Now, on with my quest."
Just before Dean could clap the heels of his Ruby Red Sneakers Nick, kicking
at the 'car' door, asks: "What is your quest?"
Message: 1453
Author: $ Dean McCarron
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ...continued...
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 19:01:57
"My Quest," Dean paused, "is to rescue the fairest maiden of the land
from a most horrible fate!"
The crowd gasped.
"You don't mean. . ." said Nick.
"Not, not, not her! You'll be killed!" said James.
"You plan to rescue. . ." said Ann, completing the trio that can't
complete sentences.
"Yes," said Dean, Magic Oil in hand, "My Quest is to rescue the fair
Princess Traci from the clutches of that nasty, fiendish. . .
Message: 1454
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ...continued...
Date: 07/13/88 Time: 19:33:57
"...Howerton?" asked Nick.
"...Taranto?" inquired James Hawley.
"...Woodruff?" queried Ann.
"If you'll shut up, I'll tell you," Dean snapped. "I'm going on a dangerous
Quest to rescue Traci from... PETER CERVELLI!"
The crowd gasped. This may have been amazement, or may have had something
to do with Hawley letting loose with a really putrid Cheeto burp.
Dean grinned. "Anyone want to come along?"
Message: 1455
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: story
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 00:43:03
'Count me in,' said Princess Carol....'Looks like you guys need a chaperone,
and since I know nothing about what you are talking about, I love it!'
Jimi shook his head in shocked jello-like quivers. 'Oh, yeah! Carol, anyday
that you get out of your palace in Scootsdale and pal around with us
peons....that'll be the day.'
'james, what's buggin' you?' she asked....'can't a princess have
a Quest-on?'
'Shaddup, James,' snapped Dean....'She's the first volunteer and I say,
she's in...now, who else? who else? Hurry up, I haven't got all year....'
'Just one question, Dean,' shyly asked Carol. 'Does Traci WANT to be
rescued????'
Dean turned a vivid shade of red, 'Why......' he spluttered, 'Why......uh,
uh, (gotta get that line to wrap)......Sandy started smirking..and Cliffy
shouted 'EXPLETIVES .....and
Message: 1456
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/14/88 Time: 07:18:44
.... Ann looked puzzled at the whole conversation. "Peter? Why would she
want to be rescued from him? From what I've heard, he's very intelligent. He
also has cute buns too!?
Nick looked at Ann and said "you must be talking about the wrong Peter."
"Never mind that. I've got to save the 'fairest in the land' and I think
that's Traci. Who else could it be?" Says Dean.
Ann and Sandy spoke at the same time - "well, now, I don't know about that"!
James interrupted them. "Listen. I'll tell you who the 'fairest' is! She's
pure of heart - beautiful and sexy and I love her!"
"Who is that?" asked Cliff.
"We all know her. It's ...........
Message: 1457
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 00:48:01
...it's...it's...Michelle Reynolds, the fairest in the land, and the
hairiest in the hand, as in the palm." James' tone was calm. "She's not
really that fair, actually. So I exaggerated a bit. But she's pretty damn
pleasant, a real looker."
"She's a real hooker?" inquired Ann, whose ears were tinny as a can. "Can
it be true?"
"Oh Ann. Catch a clue!" squelched Cliff, and then he belched, and scared
Ann stiff. "Michelle is a FINE young girl."
Meanwhile, James was munching on some Cajun Chips. "Cheetos are bland; why,
they're made for dips."
"What?!" cried Ann. "I thought chips were for dips!"
"Silly Oudin!" responded James, whilst munching down. "Catch a clue!"
Ann's grin turned to a frown, and one could tell even from a long and
winding distance that this poor lady was feeling quite blue.
All this talk about long, puffy things (the Cheetos) was making Sandy hot
under the collar. She beat her chest, and belted out a gruesome Tarzan-yell
holler. Cliff's senses were aroused by this act of bestiality, but his
implorable timidity and impending senility coupled with his lack of sobriety
were the impurity that caused the eventuality of Cliff's temeretrous litany.
[We now pause for this paid message. This is Zak. Sorry if I f***ed up
your story. OK. We now return you to our regularly scheduled program.]
Meanwhile...
Message: 1458
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/18/88 Time: 19:51:07
I think you mean 'temerarious litany'.
Rev. Beau
Message: 1459
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 09:14:40
Beauy, are you TECHNICAL!
Message: 1460
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 17:57:50
If 'temeritry' were a word, it still wouldn't be an ADJECTIVE, which is what
you were looking for there. 'temeretrous', perhaps. Heh heh.
Message: 1461
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/19/88 Time: 23:26:10
OK, I updated the message. It says "temeretrous". Now SHUT UP, MUTT!
Message: 1462
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Story
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 00:03:28
The SYSOP waves his powerfull hand over the keyboard making Ann,
James, Nick, and Dean disappear into the murky depths of the PHAntom Zone.
The results of this will continue here on the VOId.... if they come
back.
(sinister laugh)
Message: 1463
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: You Twit!
Subject: you ignored
Date: 07/20/88 Time: 23:41:56
ME! Will I not have the joys of the Phantom Zone with the others, or is it
cause I was the princess?
Princess Carol-H
Message: 1464
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Wish comes true....
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 00:08:03
I grant thy wish Princess Carol-H
With that and a puff of greasy blue smoke, Carol vanishes into the
Zone....
Message: 1465
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: zoned out
Date: 07/21/88 Time: 02:11:56
Adios, bendejos. I guess the story will be dying down a bit now that all
the main contributors are gone. I hope that when you all come back, you
will be so filled with creative energy that you will actually develop the
characters and maintain a feasible plot. Thanks.
Message: 1466
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 06:05:13
Did you spare me from the dark dungeons because I am the fairest in the
land?
(not complaining by ANY meaans)
Traci
Message: 1467
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Life in general
Subject: Story .....
Date: 07/22/88 Time: 13:06:12
Sandy watches as Cliff struts around the clouds throwing his
shoulders back and waving his hands above his head.
"I am the Mighty Apollo Sysop!" shouts Cliff over and over.
"Calm down, dear. These quest seekers are not your ordinary BBS
users. They have been endowed with gifts. Be kind to them, please. You may
never know when you may need their help." remarks Sandy in a cautious tone.
"I am the Mighty Apollo Sysop! ....... No one has ever left the ZONE
without my permission ...... no one!" Cliff wipes the drool from the corners
of his mouth, walks over to the edge of the sky and watches the Quest
seekers scroll through the ZONE. Mumbling under his breath Cliff
remarks in a contemptuous tone, "Why did they eat my Cheetos? Why?"
With no notice Dean appears from the ZONE quite angry to have been
forced into another quest. Will he ever accomplish what he set out to do?
Ah, but these seekers are wise. Dean showing his might by leaving the ZONE
first.
And now .........