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Apollo BBS Archive - July 23, 1987


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Message: 1576
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Entertainment
Subject: King
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 02:41:56

Supposedly, his next book is going to called 'The 
Tommyknockers'. After that he is supposed to be adding 400
pages to 'The Stand'.
I can't imagine adding more to that book, but you never know.
I had heard that he would  be taking a break after releasing
these books though.
He is not going to write a sequel to 'Salems Lot' like people
had said.
I would be interested in seeing one of those papers.

Message: 1577
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Entertainment
Subject: Mike/King
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 11:00:12

I only hope your right about S. K. taking a break from writting. I heard
about Tommyknockers coming out - but he's already worte that sometimes back.
How  can I get one of these papers to you? ___ ANN ___

Message: 1578
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Hello!
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 11:34:47

First, let me explain my vacation from here, I had ALOT of things to do and
they are all done, so I am back!
 
Second, Cats! My boyfriends cat had 5 kittens (2 are gone.) If you are
interested, there are 3 left...
One white one and Two Calico's.
 
Thank you and have a NICE day.
Michelle

Message: 1579
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: $ta sig. members
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 15:17:41

What would all of you think about having an art board on Apollo? Thats
where you create a picture on your word processer - and then copy it to
the screen on Apollo. Each month the pictures could be judged by one and all
and that person - the winners name would be posted all month as the winner.
No prizes - just your name in lights. Ha. We could also have a poetry and
story board too. These too chould be judged for the month. What do you think
gang? Sound like fun? Just tell Cliff of you like the idea and maybe he will
get those boards for us. Another BBS that I belong to does that and they are
used very often and some good drawings are entered. Amazing what can be done
on a word prosesser. You don't have to have alot of talent - just
imagination!! Fun, fun fun. ---- ANN ----
P.S. It doesn't take long at all to copy a picture - even a detailed one to
the screen.

Message: 1580
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 15:51:12

I've seen those text art works, they are impressive.  It would be nice to
have an "Art" board, for works of poetry, stories, text pictures, whatever. 
It's been a while since I've seen any of Daryl Westfall's poetry, for
instance, since his board is down.
Sounds like a pretty good idea.

Message: 1581
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 19:06:42


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Message: 1582
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 22:11:07

Please note Cliff that two are willing - Zak and David!! (RE: other boards)
Zak even started off with a cute drawing. Does that look like a monkey to
you? --- Ann__
P.S. How much of a majority do we need of the members? Of course your vote
counts more than any!! (grovel, grovel, bow!!)

Message: 1583
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Modern art
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 23:24:05

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Message: 1584
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: More modern art
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 23:24:38

   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Message: 1585
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last two
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 23:50:01

Bravo, James.  A study in contrasts.
I didn't know you had such artistic expression in you.

Message: 1586
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 03:29:41

Now all we need is someone to write a lengthy article entitled "Narrow-field
Jumping Cursors: Artistic Gateway to the Subconscious?" We'll all be rich...

Message: 1587
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: advice for the day
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 04:20:53

I came to a wonderful conclusion today...
When someone who is larger than you threatens to kick your @$$,
it is not a real good idea to taunt him.
I will try to remember that little tidbit while 
continuing down lifes merry pathway.

Message: 1588
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT's Art
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 08:03:08

  A stunning example of post-modern work.  The first's seeming chaos brings
us to a feeling of man's uncertainty in a world with telephone line noise,
while the second's single lone asterisk shows the lonely solitude of an
erased text buffer.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 1589
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Entertainment
Subject: The Belgariad
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 08:04:43

  The recent posts have inspired me to reread my set.  I think my favorite
has to be poor Lleldoran.  "So I ran him through -- just a little."  Heh
heh.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 1590
Author: $ Robert Simpson
Category: Answer!
Subject: Lleldorin
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 09:28:44

"I hit him on the head because I didn't want to hurt him."
 
ahhhh...there's a myriad of quotes that were great from that series...
 
I like Silk the best...I'm just waiting toward the day when he gets married!
(To Porenn, no less....that'd be a riot!)
 
"One does one's best"

Message: 1591
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 10:03:39

Ah - did you notice James's wonderful drawings? HE didn't vote on an art
board - but if he's that talented, he MUST want one. Does this count?
--- ANN ---

Message: 1592
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: *
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 10:26:13

Art board sounds nice.
  
Anyone read works by Philip K. Dick?  Everywhere I read how wonderful he is,
yet I've never seen his work.

Message: 1593
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dick
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 13:15:50

I've read a few of his books: Ubik was really good, the Transmigration of
Timothy Archer was not so good, Deus Irae (co-written by Roger Zelazny) was
OK.  None of these are generally cited as being his best.

Message: 1594
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 15:17:36

Another vote --- Peter Petrisko!!! Laura said she was going to vote for it
too. ---- ANN ---

Message: 1595
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: art sig
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 16:59:03

Cliff is vigorously pondering whether or not to start a new special interest
group.

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(picture o' Cliff)

Message: 1596
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 19:46:39

Darling little picture - but will Cliff (the one that will make the final
decision) appriciate it? ha ha. --- ANN ---
P.S. You have a great sense of humor don't you Cliff?

Message: 1597
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: art board
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 19:59:54


   'nother vote

Message: 1598
Author: $ Jack Flash
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Philip K. Dick
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 21:56:36

I've managed to track down about 30 or so of his books (this represents a
LOT of time mucking about in used book stores).  Most of his stuff is out
of print now -- which is unfortunate because he's actually quite good.
He enjoyed kind of a cult popularity as a result of an interview in
Rolling Stone about ten years ago or so, but that seems to have faded.
You can find him in the Science Fiction section of B. Dalton or Waldenbooks,
but it's usually only his "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (from which
the movie Bladerunner was made).  Not one of his best efforts.  The best
place to start is "The Man In The High Castle" -- if nothing else you'll
learn a little bit about the I Ching.
 
Incidentally:  his recently published `lost' novel, "Radio Free Albemuth",
is a disappointment.  If you're going to read something by him, don't
start there.


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Message: 45267
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 01:14:43

I think all liberals are severely mistaken, and often behave like fools.
Am I violating Rule #4?
I also agree with Michelle that all BBSers are geeks...

Message: 45268
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Chess
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 02:50:16

Queen to Queen's level 3.

Message: 45269
Author: Billi Idyll
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 06:35:08

        I quickly settled the table after Rod smashed into it.  "Really,
Rod, I think you would work better if you'd take those blinders off."
        Rod growled at me.  "What are you?  Are you a running dog lackey of
that universal faggot, God?"
        I smiled.  "No more so than you're a close-minded, unimaginative,
bigoted Atheist who has a very un-American idea concerning justice and proof
in cases of law.  Your assumption that you'd win a case against God because
he'd not show up is fallacious -- in the US you'd have to prove your case
before he'd be found guilty."
        Rod, peeking out from beneath his blindfold, watched me carefully. 
Do you mean to say I'm not right?"
        I swallowed hard, recalling my recent lunches with God.  "Well, I
don't believe that just because Christianity, in its various forms, is the
most popular religion that it means their right.  Christianity has a very
strong undercurrent of white supremacy and general chauvinism that I don't
like.  I mean, it's only rivaled by Marxism-Leninism in numbers of
worshipers.  Still, your attacks are a bit unjustified."
        Rod frowned, the blindfold shoved up around his forehead.  "How so?"
        I shrugged.  "You're using a bazooka to kill a cockroach.  Guys like
Jim White are more fun to bait in little bits.  Work on them and get them to
over-extend their beliefs, then chop them off at the knees.  You can no more
prove God doesn't exist than they can he will, but you can point out the
flaws in their philosophy."  I smiled and toyed with the Am Express card. 
"Now, eat up.  God's buying."

Message: 45270
Author: $ Robert Simpson
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 14:04:22

Write him a letter...Make it postage due...
 
Better yet, stand on a hill, look up, and scream obscenities at him.
 
Oh...even better...go kick a mountain...Mt. Everest.  Afterall, it won't say
"ouch" and it won't make the mountain tumble over.  Oooooh....gather all
your athiest friends for a big "kick the mountain GT"....Whoever knocks it
down first gets to dig everyone else out from under the rubble.

I figured that since you were yelling at God, you might as well do something
equally as futile.

Message: 45271
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James White
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 16:35:41

I, for one, enjoy your posts.
 
Also, I heard you and Jim Lippard and I thought
both of you were great. 
 
And, having heard you, and having talked with you
several times on the phone, don't worry about the
charges of your being hateful!  They just Ain't True!
 
Carol=.>

Message: 45272
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 16:54:14

  It may be, though, that the pushing was tried in the wrong
direction.  Colonies of ants or termites, or bees and social
wasps, may in fact be Superorganisms By Wheeler's criteria,
but perhaps that is the end of that line of information as 
far as insects are concerned, for the time being.  Maybe it
would work better if you tried it out on another social 
species, easier to handle.  Us, for one.
  It has long troubled the entomologists that the rest of us
are always interfering in their affairs be offering 
explanations of insect behavior in human terms.  They take 
pains to explain that ants are not, emphatically not, tiny
mechanical models of human beings.  I agree with this.  
Nothing that we know for sure about human behavior is likely
to account for what ants do, and we ought to stay clear of 
it; this is the business of entomologists.  As for the ants
themselves, they are plainly not in need of lessons from us.
  However, this does not mean that we cannot take it the 
other way, on the off chance that some of the collective 
actions of ants may cast light on human problems.
  There are lots of possibilities here, but if you think 
about the construction of the Hill by a colony of a million
ants, each one working ceaselessly and compulsively to add
perfection to his region of the structure without having the
faintest notion of what is being constructed elsewhere,

Message: 45273
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 17:05:32

living out his brief life in a social enterprise that 
extends back into what is for him the deepest antiquity 
(ants die at the rate of 3-4 percent per day; in a month or 
so an entire generation vanishes, while the Hill can go on 
for sixty years or, given good years, forever), performing 
his work with infallible, undistracted skill in the midst of
confusion of others, all tumbling over each other to get the
twigs and bits of earth aligned in precisely the right
configurations for the warmth and ventilation of the eggs 
and larvae, but totally incapacitated by isolation, there is
only one human activity that is like this, and it is 
language.
  We have been working at it for what seems eternity,
generation after articulate generation, and still we have no
notion how it is done, nor what it will be like when 
finished, if it is ever to be finished.  It is the most
compulsively collective, genetically programmed, 
species-specific, and autonomic of all the things we do, and
we are infallible at it.  It comes naturally.  We have DNA
for grammar, neurons for syntax.  We can never let up; we
scramble our way through one civilization after another,
metamorphosing, sprouting tools and cities everywhere, and 
all the time new words keep tumbling out.

Message: 45274
Author: $ James White
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Billi Idyll
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 21:20:52

Bait me, huh?  Flys or worms?  I'm waiting.
James>>>

Message: 45275
Author: $ James White
Category: Religion
Subject: Robert Morey
Date: 07/22/87  Time: 21:24:07

Dr. Robert Morey, author of "The New Atheism and the Erosion of Freedom"
will be our guest this Saturday on the Dividing Line on KHEP 1280 AM at 3
PM.  The program is live and call-in at 278-5555 (Rod's phone is locked out
of that number per God's instructions) and you are welcome to participate. 
Thanks!
James>>>

Message: 45276
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Howerton
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 03:17:51

Bishop to king's level 4.

Message: 45277
Author: Billi Idyll
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Jim White
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 07:39:14

        Worry creased my brow as Jim sat down and paled.  "What's the
matter, Jim?  Does spagetti and ground beef look too much like worms and
flies for you?"
        Jim snarled.  "Alright, you buffoon, bait me."
        I smiled.  "You mean beyond the baiting that got you to reply to my
last post?"
        "Um, yes..." Jim said, a tad uneasy.
        I smiled.  "OK, here goes.  Some historians hold that the two most
important men in history were St. Paul and Lenin.  Both men took obscure
philosophers and preached their teachings in a way that they became
universal saviours.  Oddly enough, there's more proof that Marx existed
than Jesus did.  How can you justify Christianity, and all of the evils
(from Catholic excesses to current attempts at censoring rock music and the
like) it pushes as being better than the repressive autocratic Communist
regimes?"
        Jim scoffed.  "Is that it?"
        I shrugged.  "Opening salvo.  Remember, it's early and I only just
got your challenge.  It'll get better."

Message: 45278
Author: $ James White
Category: Religion
Subject: Lippard8 (I think)
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 09:15:25

On page 8 of Fundamentalism is Nonsense, under the sub-title, 
"Seeing God" Jim lists various verses that say that men have seen 
God (Isaiah 6:1 is my favorite of those).  Then John 1:18 and 
1 John 4:12 are cited which say that no man has seen God.  There
seems to be an obvious contradiction.
    There is a contradiction if one does not realize that in 
the Bible three persons are described as God - Father, Son and
Holy Spirit.  Jim must be given credit for not attacking the
Trinity in his book - he does question the divinity of Jesus,
but not really on Biblical grounds but rather moral grounds or
with charges of error.  Anyway, John 1:18 makes it very clear
that John is referring to the Father only when he says that
no man has seen God at any time, for he then goes on to say
that the "unique God" (i.e., Jesus) has made Him (God the 
Father) known.  Literally the term is "exegesato" from which
we get the word "exegete."  The Person who was seen of men in
the Old Testament was the Son, Jesus Christ (see, for 
example, John 12:39-41/Isaiah 6:1-10 where John clearly says
this).  Hence, again when the entire witness of Scripture is
allowed into the discussion, no contradiction can be found.

Message: 45279
Author: $ James White
Category: Religion
Subject: Lippard9
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 09:16:12

     On pages 9 through 11 you basically have a list of supposed
numerical differences.  A number of these were addressed by
Gleason Archer in his volume "Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties"
so I will not take much time with all of them.  Given the Hebrew
numbering system (the use of letters for numbers gave rise to
lots of textual variants) it is not surprising that more than 
once we have a difference between say "4,000" and "40,000."  
Indeed, Hebrew can have numerical values or it can use words
to represent round figures (and if one writer uses the exact
numerical value while another uses a round term...).  For 
example, the difference between 101 and 111 is a little letter
(yod) stuck between two larger letters - the yod looks like 
this:  '  .  Maybe one can understand how that could get lost
in copying?  Ya, me too.
     Just one example of how some of the other problems listed
here can be explained - under "Children of Zerubbabel" Jim has
the following: "1 Chronicles 3:19-20: "And the sons of Zerubbabel
were Meshullan and Hananiah, and Shelomith was their sister; and
Hashubah, Ohel, Berechiah, Hasadiah, and Jushabhesed, five."  There
are seven males and one female listed, not five of anything."  Ah,
but dear Jim, the list of males that immediately precedes the 
numeral "five" consists of five people.  Indeed, the term "five"
sums up the total of verse 20 - all those who appear after the
end of the sentence.  Hence, no problem there at all.

Message: 45280
Author: $ James White
Category: Religion
Subject: Lippard10
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 09:16:59

     Finally (for today) Jim's unrealistic standards and mis-
understanding of context and the importance of Biblical usage of
words can be seen quite clearly on page 11 where Jim states under
the sub-title "The World's Existence":  "1 Chronicles 16:30 says
the world is firmly established, Ecclesiastes 1:4 says "the earth
remains forever."  But 1 John 2:17 says "the world is passing 
away."
     No serious Biblical scholar would give such a charge a second
thought, since the person making the statement obviously has not
spent much time with the text.  The term "world" as used in 1 John
(indeed, in all the Johannine material) does not refer to the
physical earth but rather to the present system of things.  Just
reading the passage in total makes that very clear:  "Do not love
the world, nor the things in the world.  If anyone loves the
world, the love of the Father is not in him.  For all that is in
the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the
boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the
world.  And the world is passing away, and also its lusts; but
the one who does the will of God abides forever." (2:15-17).
Clearly John was not referring to the "earth" as a planet when
he said these things.  Not only that, but in the OT the earth is
used as a standard against which man's brief lifespan is measured.
"Forever" in that sense cannot be pressed to mean eternally.

Message: 45281
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: INANE
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 09:56:25

        -----_ MOST INANE STATEMENT OF THE WEEK -- JULY 23, 1987 ---

By Fred Walker, naval arthitect at the National Maritime Museum in England!

"It is my belief that no good and important museum would want material that
had been plundered from a grave."!!!

(Talking about the salvaging of the Titanic!)

Message: 45282
Author: $ James White
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Billy Idyll
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 10:08:27

     I twirled some spaghetti onto my spoon and grabbed for a slice
of garlic bread.  "No, Billy, I love spaghetti.  I loved my flies too,
so don't worry about it."
     "Well, how about it?"  Billy smiled an all-knowing smile.
     "Billy, how do you know that I can't engage in a little baiting
of my own?"
     "Christians like you aren't that intelligent."
     "Oh, I see.  Well, I don't know what historians you were talking
about, but I don't see as that matters.  Neither would I exactly say
that Jesus was an "obscure philospher" as you put it.  You seem to wish
to put this on a very naturalistic ground, ignoring what Paul himself
said about his "system" of teaching."
     "What about my saying that there is more evidence that Marx existed?"
     "That assumes, of course, that one can throw the New Testament
out as an historical document, an idea that I certainly would not accept."
     Billy was getting uneasy.  "I expected more of a fundamentalist 
attitude from you, Jim.  How about the fact that Christianity promotes
evil?"
     I dabbed some spaghetti sauce from my beard, took a slow sip of 7UP
and replied, "Well, I suppose I would say that it would be best to
define just what you mean by Christianity."
     Billy was surprised.  "Darn it, why do you insist on putting this
whole conversation on a rational level??"
     "Just the way I am I guess."

Message: 45283
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: RELIGION AS BANALITY
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 10:48:58

     RELIGION IS DECEITFUL, DEPRAVED AND ABSURD - but don't underestimate
it.  There's a reason this decrepit relic of humanity's infancy still adorns
class society.  "The powers that be are ordained of God," says St. Paul. 
Not quite.  God is ordained by the powers that be.  His omnipotence
expresses our impotence.
     BABBLE ABOUT "THE WAGES OF SIN" serves to cover up the sin of wages. 
We want rights, not rites - sex, not sects.  Only Eros and Eris belong in
our pantheon.  Surely the Nazarene necrophile has had his revenge by now. 
Remember, pain is just God's way of hurting you.
     THE CHURCH (ANY CHURCH) IS CAPITAL'S CONSECRATED COP - Examples: 
Christianity (which is neither catholic nor protestant); Judaism (reading
the Prophets and raking in the profits); Islam (which means "submission") -
plus all farcically fashionable Oriental mysticisms pushed by greedy gurus
with lice in their beards.
     FROM IRAN TO IRELAND, from Madrid to Miami, from the West Bank to West
Virginia the faithful fulfill their function, suppressing subjectivity and
sexuality in connivance with their eternal ally, the State.  "Prisons are
built with stones of Law, brothels with bricks of Religion" (Blake)
     AS FOR "GOD", suffice to say that absolute power corrupts absolutely. 
"God has sufficiently revealed His true character by combining the genital
organ with the urinary tract" (Brecht).  A person without God is like a fish
without a bicycle.  Be (diabo)logical... curb your dogma.  Revolution, not
revelation!  Belief in God is self-managed mutilation.  Why not deny God and
affirm yourself?  GET THEE BEHIND ME, GOD!   (preceding essay by Bob Black)

Message: 45284
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 11:32:34

Huh?

Message: 45285
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Titanic
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 11:35:58

I read that article today as well.
You know what this means ..... don't you?

Gotta return all those Egyptian artifacts .....

After 2 million or so dead babies later, we finally decide to use some
Morals.               Typical, typical.

Message: 45286
Author: $ Chris Zagar
Category: For sale
Subject: C-64 MIDI Interface
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 12:40:42

I have a Passport MIDI interface for the C-64 for sale.  It features MIDI
in, out, and Roland-compatible drum sync connections.  With it I am selling
"The Music Shop for MIDI," a scoring program from Passport and two
MIDI-based educational programs for learning jazz and blues harmonies.

I am selling these together for $100.  If interested, leave me mail.

SYSOP Chris

Message: 45287
Author: $ Chris Zagar
Category: For sale
Subject: MIDI keyboard
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 12:44:09

I am selling a Yamaha PSR-60 synthesizer.  This synth features a four-octave
full-sized keyboard, 16 stereo and 16 monophonic voices (one of each may be
selected at a time) and 16 rhythms with 3 fill-ins per rhythm.  It also
features MIDI in and out jacks for connection to other synths or computers.
It has a memory for recording music, and can save/load compositions to/from
a tape recorder through provided jacks. It can operate off of either 110 AC
or batteries and has built-in speakers and jacks for external speakers or
headphones. All sounds are digital PCM produced for accurate reproduction.

I am asking $500.  If interested, please leave me mail.

SYSOP Chris

Message: 45288
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandy/Titanic
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 15:14:54

That guy that runs the Musem over in England probablly doesn't have the room
to put Titanic relics because he has too many Egyptian Mummies taking up
space!!  I don't know about anyone else - but I'd pay a fortune to see
anything brought up from the Titanic. Major Musems are going to fight to
get that stuff. I think the one in England just wasn't offered. Was just
"Sour grapes" is all. --- ANN ---

Message: 45289
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 16:31:54

Sour graves.

Message: 45290
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 17:32:05

  The words themselves are marvels, each one perfectly 
designed for its use.  The older, more powerful ones are
membranous, packed with layers of different meaning, like 
one-word poems.  "Articulated," for instance, first 
indicated a division into small joints, then, effortlessly,
signified the speaking of sentences.  Some words are
gradually altered while we have them in everyday use, 
without our being aware until the change has been completed:
the *ly* in today's adverbs, such as ably and benignly, 
began to appear in place of "like" just a few centuries ago,
and "like" has since worn away to a mere suffix.  By a 
similar process, "love-did" changed itself into "loved."
  None of the words are ever made up by anyone we know; they
simply turn up in the language when they are needed.  
Sometimes a familiar word will suddenly be grabbed up and
transformed to mean something quite strange: "strange" 
is itself such a word today, needed by nuclear physicists to
symbolize the behavior of particles which decay with 
peculiar slowness; the technical term for such particles now
is "strange particles," and they possess a "strangeness 
number(S)."  The shock of sudden unfamiliarity with an old,
familiar word is something we take in stride; it has been
going on for thousands of years.
  A few words are made up by solitary men in front of our

Message: 45291
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 17:41:37

eyes, like Holism out of Smuts, or Quark out of Joyce, but
most of these are exotic and transient; it takes a great 
deal of use before a word can become a word.
  Most new words are made up from other, earlier words;
language-making is a conservative process, wasting little.
When new words unfold out of old ones, the original meaning
usually hangs around like an unrecognizable scent, a sort of
secret.
  "Holism" suggests something biologically transcendental
because of "holy," although it was intended more simply to
mean a complete assemblage of living units.  Originally, it
came from the Indo-European root word *kailo*, which meant
whole, also intact and uninjured.  During passage through
several thousand years it transformed into hail, hale, 
health, hallow, holy, whole, and heal, and all of these 
still move together through our minds.
  "Heuristic" is a more specialized, single-purpose word,
derived from Indo-European *wer*, meaning to find, then 
taken up in Greek as *heuriskein*, from which Archimedes was
provided with Heureka!

Message: 45292
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/graves
Date: 07/23/87  Time: 19:40:34

Yeah Zak -- "sour graves"!!! hahahahahahahahaha