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Apollo BBS Archive - July 16, 1987


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Message: 1551
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 16:59:47

Sure, we have teleportation technology.  Just as sure as there is a speed
faster than light.

Message: 1552
Author: $ Nikki Kalua
Category: Answer!
Subject: Zak
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 20:02:35

No!  Harliquins are a type of doll, a clown character in old plays of the
17 century.  What V-J?

Message: 1553
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: IN CONCERT
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 21:14:01

     Timothy Leary - "Twenty Years Ago Today" -
  
At The Jar, Friday July 31st - 9pm
  
     Anyone else know any other details?
     Anyone interested in going?

Message: 1554
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 22:15:30

I'm interested.  Is it all ages, or will I have to find Joel and have him
make me a fake ID?


Message: 1556
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Leary
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 13:12:06

I'm also planning on going.  I last saw him 4 Oct 1983 at ASU, when he spoke
on "The Evolution of Intelligence:  Of the Species and of the Individual".
The audience filled the whole Arizona Room of the MU.

Message: 1557
Author: $ Nikki Kalua
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Harly
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 22:19:51

Well, since nobody guessed, nobody won.  Harly had her first kitten about
7pm.  A little red kitten.  Then about 7:15 she had a black one.  At 8:30
she had her third, a white one, and at 9:15 she had her last one, another
white one.  They look like little mice!  Harly seems to be doing fine as a
mother, licking them and letting them suck on her.  All but the last white
one are healthy but the last one should make it alright.
 
Pass out the cigars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Message: 1558
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cats
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 23:03:14

Harly is in big trouble with the Equal Opportunity Commission.  She didn't
meet her quota of Hispanic kittens.

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Message: 1108
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 02:21:47

Rod, you weren't "taught" how much sleep to get. The ideal amount varies
among individuals, ranging from 5 to 10 hours. The older the person, the
less sleep required.

Experiments in isolation from light, darkness, and timekeeping devices have
demonstrated that an approximately 24 hour day is maintained, and that sleep
patterns remain constant. How many hours of sleep a person requires is no
more a learned thing than eye color.

Message: 1110
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sleeping...
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 20:49:07

        That is not what the Military claims... 6 hrs is plenty.  That way
they get more work from you.....

ClifFORD

Message: 1111
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 23:06:00

Cat-napping is only more efficient if you're a cat.
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Message: 45106
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 17:50:51

...
  According to the linguistic school currently on top, human
beings are all born with a genetic endowment for recognizing
and formulating language.  This must mean that we possess 
genes for all kinds of information, with strands of special,
peculiarly human DNA for the discernment of meaning and 
syntax.  We must imagine the morphogenesis of deep 
structures, built into our minds, for coding out, like 
proteins, the parts of speech.  Correct grammer (correct in 
the logical, not fashionable, sense) is as much a biologic
characteristic of our species as feathers on birds.
  If this is true, it would mean that the human mind is 
preset, in some primary sense, to generate more than just 
the parts of speech.  Since everything else that we 
recognize as human behavior derives from the central 
mechanism of language, the same sets of genes are at least
indirectly responsible for governing such astonishing
behavior as in the concert hall, where hundreds of people
crowd together, silent, head-tilted, meditating, listening 
to music as though receiving instructions, or in a gallery,
moving along slowly, peering, never looking at each other,
concentrating as though reading directions.
  This view of things is compatible with the very old notion
that a framework for meaning is somehow built into our minds

Message: 45107
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 17:59:51

at birth.  We start our lives with templates, and attach to
them, as we go along, various things that fit.  There are
neural centers for generating, spontaneously, numberless
hypotheses about the facts of life.  We store up information
the way cells store energy.  When we are lucky enough to 
find a direct match between a receptor and a fact, there is
a deep explosion in the mind; the idea suddenly enlarges,
rounds up, bursts with new energy, and begins to replicate.
At times there are chains of reverberating explosions,
shaking everything: the imagination, as we say, is 
staggered.
  This system seems to be restricted to human beings, since 
we are the only beings with language, although chimpanzees
may have the capability of manipulating symbols with a 
certain syntax.  The great difference between us and the
other animals may be the qualitative difference made by 
speech.  We live by making transformations of energy into
words, storing it up, and releasing it in controlled 
explosions.

Message: 45108
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Michael James
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 18:20:04

I don't know if it's a new dualism or not. In fact - it's gotten so much out
of hand - I don't know what it's about at all anymore!!

Message: 45109
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/J.W./love
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 18:24:40

No - his post did not contain one ounce of love. Does he know who he's
talking too? "Father forgive him for he has sinned!!" I will admit - I hope
he posts more on the subject. --- ANN

Message: 45110
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod's GarBage
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 19:39:31

        Rod...  I have never seen Mr White insult and demean other humans
the way you do..  He tries to make sence when he talks...  All that flows
from your mouth Rod...is "Garbage this" and "Garbage that" with lots of
profanity and insulting remarks.   No facts... just trash!  I am a Christian
Rod ...and even though I allow your ideas to be posted here ... I am
insulted by your presentation and HATRED of God.
        You are GLITCHED Rod...  You hate people that want to love.  You say
be FREE, but you hate our FREE choice of religion since it does not fit your
beliefs.  
        Be less insulting... Read the ules ... Please Rod!?

SYSOP

Message: 45111
Author: $ James White
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann/Rod
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 20:38:01

Rod's posts showed insensitivity, crash rudeness, and pure blasphemy.  I
suppose, Ann, that that is his right, and its not my right to point out that
he is the one who continuously talks about "loving ones fellow man" and
"contributing to this world" while all he manages to contribute with posts
like that is hatred and distrust.  Maybe, Ann, the blood of Jesus Christ is
not precious to you - fine.  It is one of the most important things in
my life.  
    How about putting yourself in my position?  What if someone got on here
and starting making gross remarks about women (since you've been talking
alot about that lately).  How would you feel?  Would you not say, "Hey, that
was just a little unnecessary, wasn't it?"  What Rod said was not only
vulgar and sickening, but it was completely without value and merit.  What
did it "contribute" to the conversation, or the over-all good of the world? 
Zippo.  Rod is intimidated by the person of Jesus.  Jesus loved.  Rod knows
he can't love the way Jesus did.  So, he turns to making fun of Jesus'
voluntary sacrifice of his own life for others.  How sad!
     Rod, like I said when I first posted on this board - you hate God like
no one I've ever known.  I don't hate you.  I can't imagine what it would be
like to live life with God as your enemy.  No thanks.  What's neat is that I
can still care about what happens to you - how about in return?  You've
shown no sensitivity toward me, have you?  Nope, only hate and scorn and
sarcasm.  I don't blame you though.  It seems that thats all you know.

Message: 45112
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 21:29:21

You said you were wondering how to word a vote on whether North is guilty. 
I was just wondering, guilty of what (since he hasn't been charged with
anything)?

Message: 45113
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 21:33:25

"If you showed me ABSOLUTE PROOF that you were right - I would still have to
say that you were wrong."

I have to credit you, at least, with making explicit that you reject reason
and that you believe what you want to believe, regardless of the truth.

I have not heard you or any other women on this board present any
grievances, just a lot of vague, unsubstantiated, and very general claims.

Message: 45114
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Balance of power
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 21:38:42

It is amazing how liberals use "balance of power" as a smokescreen to
promote their political agenda.  When liberals complain that "balance of
power" is in danger, what it means is that they're upset because a
liberal-dominated branch of government (whichever that happens to be in any
given situation) does not have absolute power.  I have already cited the
hypocrisy surrounding Congressional Democrats' view of the Boland Amendment.
Here are two other examples, involving the Judiciary Branch.

Whenever Ronald Reagan or Edwin Meese criticizes the ideology of liberal
judicial activists, liberals hem and haw about the threat this poses to the
independence of the judiciary.  Even to question the ideology of a William
Brennan or a Thurgood Marshall is to endanger our fragile democracy!  But
now President Reagan has appointed Robert Bork, a conservative judge, to the
Supreme Court, and all of a sudden the liberals are demanding that the
Senate reject him on the basis of his ideology, saying it would alter the
"ideological balance" of the court (which now tilts ever so precariously
toward the liberals).  Ed Meese's finding fault with the judicial philosophy
of Justice Brennan imperils the independence of the Judicial Branch, while
Ted Kennedy's subjecting Judge Bork to demagogic slander that rivals
McCarthy is perfectly acceptable, even desirable, to the liberal.

In California last November, three liberal Supreme Court justices were up
for reconfirmation, and a heated campaign was waged against them, based
primarily on their opposition to the death penalty.  (One, Chief Justice

Message: 45115
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Continued
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 21:53:15

Rose Bird, had voted to overturn all of the more than 60 death sentences
that came before her, usually on an absurd procedural basis.)  Among the
harshest critics of the Bird Court was Governor George Deukmejian, a
Republican.  Again, we heard what a terrible threat this was to the
independence of the judiciary.  Californians simply have no business
questioning the decisions of our Supreme Court justices!  (At least as long
as they're liberal.)  The three justices were voted out, and their
replacements are doing quite well, thank you.  A few weeks after the
election, Toney Anaya, the lame-duck governor of New Mexico, commuted the
sentences of all the state's death row inmates, because he personally felt
the death penalty was wrong.  He completely bypassed the judicial process
and imposed his beliefs on the state of New Mexico.  Why didn't the liberals
condemn this as an arrogant abuse of power?

Please do not misunderstand me:  Anaya and Kennedy were both acting well
within their legal rights as governor and senator.  But so were Meese and
Deukmejian in criticizing liberal activist judges.  For liberals, however,
legitimate exercise of power by conservatives are often grave threats to our
cherished system of checks and balances--while far shabbier (though still
legitimate) exercises of power by liberals are not.

Message: 45116
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James
Date: 07/15/87  Time: 22:29:47

You blew it.  You lost all perspective, and not only insulted Rod, but began
attacking Ann.  You seem to feel that Rod's "hate" absolves you of Christian
responsibility to "turn the other cheek." Take your version of Christianity,
Mr. White.  I don't want any part of it.

Message: 45118
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Attn: Smiths Fans
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 01:59:08

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Message: 45119
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 02:24:17

Okay, I admit it, I hate god.  I also hate Santa Claus.

Message: 45122
Author: Billi Idyll
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Admiral Poindexter
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 07:37:10

The soft-spoken, and guilty as hell, Admiral looked u
from his last meal and shrugged helplessly.  "I can't
understand it, Billi," he said as he looked at the empty
chair at the north side of the table.  "I passed your invitation
to dinner on up to the President, and he returned it after
he initialed it, but I guess he's forgotten."
        I smiled.  "Don't worry, he's been doing that a
lot lately."  My face got a bit more grim.  "I'm worried about
him, though, John."
        "Why, Billi?" Admiral Poindexter.
        "Well," I admitted, "I don't mind his selective
memory, really.  What bothers me is his autographing a Bible.  Talk
about delusions..."
        Poindexter nodded and idlely played with his salad.  "Yeah.  I
wish he'd feed Nancy every so often, too..."

Message: 45123
Author: Billi Idyll
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Barry Young
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 07:43:17

        The grease from an EggMcMuffin(tm) dripped off Barry's
moustache and made a mess of his "Ollie for President" t-shirt.  "I
can't understand why you don't like my publishing the "infamous
Comandante letter," Billi.  What do you find wrong with it?"
        "Nothing," I admitted, "except that it was written back when we
did not know the revolution was going to turn repressive.  I think it's a
cheap shot..."
        "My stock in trade," the consevative smiled.
        "I know," I said, popping a high blood pressure tablet.  "I have
a joke for you, to grossly change the subject."
        "Yes?"
        "How many conservatives does it take to change a light bulb?"
        Barry pondered for a second, then smiled.  "None," he answered.
        I nodded.  "Right, conservatives love being in the dark..."

Message: 45124
Author: $ James White
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkhart
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 07:52:23

Insulted Rod?  Turn the other cheek?  Where did you get the idea that
Christians have to sit around and allow Rod's kind of stuff to go
unchallenged?  If you want a "brand" of Christianity that says nothing, does
nothing, stands for nothing - fine, there are lots of churches like that
where you will be happy.  Just don't bother to read a Bible, friend.
     Rod, I'm sorry you think I'm mentally debilitated, but since it is you
who cannot deal with facts and reason, I'll let it slide.  They say that's
the best thing to do with someone having emotional problems.

   You said alot about not understanding things.  Like the idea of worship -
you have decided (for reasons unknown) that a "god" would not require or ask
for worship.  On what grounds do you say that?  Are you god?  You seem to
think so.

    Be listening this Saturday, Rod.  You'll love it.

Message: 45125
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jay Tee
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 09:07:18

        Read my post again....
I said "Is he GUILTY.... or is he ????"    Yes, there was this big "OR"
It could be "PATRIOT"  or "TRAITOR"  or "In it for the Money"..... but who
cares... if anyone ever showed you facts...you would be too blind to see
them.  You are so stuck up in your greatness, you would never conceed or
even admit there might be some doubt.

SYSOP ClifFORD

Message: 45126
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: James White
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 10:39:43

I just thought you came on to Rod too strong. You have every right to have
your own opinion - but why cut him down so badly? Just have a debate and
we'll all enjoy it. IF you do not - then there is the Christian Sig. on this
board that you will probablly like better. Personally - I am not an athiest
- I believe in God in my own way and belong to no religion - yet I like to
hear what Rod has to say witout condemnation. I might not agree with
everything but so what? I might learn a thing or two!   I will no doubt
learn from you - IF you are reasonable! That is all I meant when I answered
your post. --- ANN

Message: 45127
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: James/rediculas
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 10:45:33

When I talk about your "absolute truth" I mean statistics - papers etc.!
We are NOT vague nor unsubstantiated. YOU are in my book. You never answer
the questions put to you by many on this board. Where do you get your facts
for instance? Lets drop this James. We are getting no where at all and
people are getting bored with it. --- ANN
P.S. And PLEASE do not come back to me and say that I am backing down!! OK?

Message: 45128
Author: $ Nikki Kalua
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 11:30:56

Sorry, but I also don't know what you mean by "is he guilty".  Guilty of
what?  Lying?  Yes.  Of doing something illegal?  He admitted that already. 
I'm not sure what you think he's guilty of.

Message: 45129
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Vote
Subject: Suggested vote
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 11:44:58

A: He is in it only for the money.
B: He thought the Boland Ammendment outlawed aid to the Contras, but did it
   anyway becasue he felt the Congress had acted wrongly.
C: He didn't think the Boland Ammendment applied to him, but it really did.
D: The Boland Ammendment didn't apply to him at all.
 
  Any ammendments?
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 45131
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Religion
Subject: WAR!
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 11:51:13

  Wow, this is better than watching Jerry Falwell duke it out with Oral
Robberts and Jim & Tammy Bakker!
 
  I may be an atheist, but I feel no need to proselytize.  I try not to be
an obnoxious atheist.  I don't find Rod's ravings any more pleasent than
those of Jimmy Swaggart.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 45132
Author: $ James White
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 13:15:35

     I set down my Coke (or was it Pepsi?) and said, "Rod, you don't seem to
understand.  God doesn't NEED worship, He desires it..."
     "I could whip god with one hand tied behind my back."
     "That's not the point" I replied.  "God desires our worship for our
own good."
     "I could make a better world than god did.  Bobra could too."
     "You're not listening, Rod.  God desires worship not for Himself but
because He knows that only when we know Him can we possibly really know
ourselves.  Since He is our Creator and source of life..."
     "I think Bob is our creator, but then he may be drain bamaged."
     "Rod, listen to what I'm saying.  John Calvin put it well when he said
that the only way to know ourselves is to know God.  Men run all over the
place trying to "find themselves" all the while avoiding that encounter
with God that they know will take place eventually..."
     "God makes me sick.  Your beliefs will soon die out!  Yeoww!"
     "Want another Coke, Rod?"
     "Sure."

Message: 45133
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Grievances
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 14:21:43

James, just what type or form of grievences did you have in mind?
If vague, unsubstantiated, and very general claims are good enough for a
newspaper, why then are these assumed vague, unsubstantiated, and very
general claimes not good enough for you?

I am trying very hard to picture a personal experience as something vague,
or something unsubstantiated, or general.

I refused a job because the company wanted to know about my sexual life.
I was denied a raise at another job because I would not let my supervisor
fondle me.
I was not given a promotion due me because the forman of that particular
section said that as a woman I would not be able to handle the
responsibilities.
I was denied a job in which I passed every test because I was a woman. What
made me mad about this job was that there were women working there, it was
that the person in charge of hiring at that time (a man, by the way) did
not believe women should be working at this type of job.
        These few examples that I have cited are vague as far as details are
concerned for the reason that these incidents did happen, they are a part of
my past, and I feel that I was able to share and, yet, maintain my privacy.

Message: 45134
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Religion
Subject: FOR ROD & JAMES
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 16:29:41

(from the book, "This Book Needs No Title", by R. Smullyan)
  
     One of the human phenomena I find most disturbing is that of a person
whose system of thought is such that there is no possibility of his ever
finding out that he is wrong - even if he is.  Any rational objection to his
system can be explained away by a rationalization within the system, whose
validity can be known only when one accepts the very premises of the system
which are in question.  Consider some obvious examples:
   1.  A Calvinist who, when questioned as to the fundamental tenets of
Calvinism, will exclaim: "Of course you cannot see that I am right.  Your
trouble is that you haven't been saved!"
   2.  A Dogmatic Theist who, when questioned as to God's existence, will
say: "Of course you cannot believe in God!  You are too proud to admit the
existence of a being greater than yourself."
   3.  A believer in the existence of the Devil who will say: "Of course you
don't believe in the Devil.  The first thing the Devil cleverly does is to
convince people he doesn't exist."
   4.  An Atheist who will say: "No rational argument I can give you will
convince you there is no God.  You have a childish, superstitious need to
believe in one."
     The interesting thing is that in the majority of cases, each of the
groups I have mentioned can easily see through the prejudices of the others.
And surely I must be in a similar category without realizing it.  I wonder
what my prejudices could be?

Message: 45135
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: STRANGE...
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 16:34:40

                          
   What America needs is a president who is not afraid to take action and a
vice-president who can negotiate with anyone.....
                        
   What America needs is a president who is as tough as nails and a
vice-president who is both shrewd and charming.....
                   
   What America needs is a military man and a totally hot babe.....
                     
   What America needs is Oliver North and Fawn Hall.....
     
   
         OLIVER NORTH        FAWN HALL
                     IN 1988
   
   
   
(I wrote this back in April.  I was joking.  If only I knew then how close
to the truth I was... Egads.)

Message: 45136
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 17:51:39

  Speechless animals cannot do this sort of thing, and they 
are limited to single-stage transactions.  They wander, as we 
do, searching for facts to fit their sparser stock of
hypotheses, but when the receptor meets its match, there is
only a single thud.  Without language, the energy that is 
encoiled, springlike, inside information can only be used
once.  The solitary wasp, Sphex, nearing her time of eggs,
travels aloft with a single theory about caterpillars.  She
is, in fact, a winged receptor for caterpillars.  Finding 
one to match the hypothesis, she swoops, pins it, paralyzes 
it, carrys it off, and descends to deposit it precisely in 
front of the door of the round burrow (which, obsessed by a
different version of the same theory, she had prepared
beforehand).  She drops the beast, enters the burrow, 
inspects the interior for last-minute irregularities, then
comes out to pull it in for the egg-laying.  It has the
orderly, stepwise look of a well thought-out business.  But
if, while she is inside inspecting, you move the caterpillar
a short distance, she has a less sensible second thought 
about the matter.  She emerges, searches for a moment, finds
it, drags it back to the original spot, drops it again, and
runs inside to check the burrow again.  If you move the
caterpillar again, she will repeat the program, and you can
keep her totally preoccupied for as long as you have the

Message: 45137
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 17:53:59

patience and the heart for it.  It is a compulsive, 
essentially neurotic kind of behavior, as mindless as an
Ionesco character, but the wasp cannot imagine any other way
of doing the thing.

Message: 45138
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James T./Sandy
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 18:20:45

Did you read Sandy's post or are you going to ignore it?

Message: 45140
Author: Lance Allen
Category: Bulletins
Subject: CENSORSHIP
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 19:41:31

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Message: 45141
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: drain bamaged
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 20:33:27

Rod is a living caricature of himself.

Message: 45142
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James White
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 20:34:29

Are you still going to post those criticisms of Lippard's pamphlet?  I've
been interested in reading them, but so far, no posts.

Message: 45144
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Question?
Subject: The wonder of it all
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 21:29:11

I wonder if Rod spanks his kids when they're nasty...?

Message: 45145
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Burkhart/45116
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 21:56:06

What the hell are you talking about?

Message: 45146
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 21:57:10

Oh, I see, by the series of question marks you meant to indicate a blank to
be filled in.  That wasn't clear to me.  Sorry about my greatness!

Message: 45147
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Answer!
Subject: Now, now, ladies
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 22:02:31

Ann, the source of my statistics is "The 59-cent Fallacy:  The Earnings Gap
Between Men and Women Can't Be Pinned on Discrimination," an article in the
September 1984 issue of Reason written by Professor of Economics Jennifer
Roback of Yale University.  If you like, I can send you a copy of the
article.

Sandy, if your descriptions of the situations in which you have been
discriminated against are accurate, then I would say you have a reasonable
complaint.  Without more details, however, I can't really draw any
conclusions, since your own conclusions about your own experiences may be
based on your own personal biases and you may be ignoring relevant details.

Message: 45148
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Answer!
Subject: Petrisko
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 22:03:42

I don't think Fawn Hall is old enough to be vice president.

Message: 45149
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Lance Allen
Date: 07/16/87  Time: 22:04:18

How is my freedom of speech being "snipped out" by Meese and the
Administration?

Message: 45150
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Todd/Spanks
Date: 07/17/87  Time: 00:37:47

Har de har har, Dude!

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Message: 45151
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: JT and Ann
Date: 07/17/87  Time: 00:53:54

It occured to me, this evening, that both JT and Ann are entirely correct.
Yes, some woman are discriminated against.....remember, John Lennon's
rendition of "Woman Are The Niggers Of The World?"  Think about it and
understand that white skinned folks discriminate against brown skinned
people but even in a brown skinned country the woman are the lesser class,
the servant of the male ego, through physical strength.  The only defense
the female has is her wits, her intellect, and it is usually developed early
in order to get a lead on her male and simply survive.
  The usual male's way is brute strength and usually will do 'anything' for
sex from one of these females, even rape if they 'have' to.
  On the other hand, JT is using the woman who is free of petty pressures
and one that knows her intelligence and how to use it.  That woman is the
woman that can take over a country or whatever from just giving out a whif
of her intelligence and sexuality.  Sex can slay.
  But of course, JT may have only been pointing out the work a day woman who
has a goal and knows how to achieve it with her intelligence.  The same for
a man, you must recognize you intelligence and plan for a better tomorrow,
if not for yourself, then for your children or relatives or just to be kind.
  If you want a monument errected for yourself then the pigeons will more
than likely 'drop' on you but if you do it  for the deed and the deed gets
done and no one knows who 'started it' then the big reward is that the world
will be a better, more sane place to dwell.
  I'm getting off the subject and starting to ramble.
                                Rod

Message: 45152
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Hi Mom, Hi Dad!
Date: 07/17/87  Time: 01:07:56

For thirty some earth years I certainally believed there was a 'god' who
created us and knew what was going to happen.  I was comforted.
  The first atheist I ever met was when I was 15 and I totally did not
believe that what he was proposing could be true.  I sluffed it off.
  Years later when I started questioning (it took a major event) all that  I
held as true, I could not, nor could anyone else, answer many questions.
  I had not, at the time, been exposed to science, having been kicked out of
science class in school.  
  I went through an interesting, and very happy, two weeks, the two weeks
after I determined there could not possibly be a male god figure that
created us.  I went into a 'Mother and Father' theory and checked it out,
conmparing it to my previous beliefs.
  It took two week to blow that theory apart, in that, if they were like our
Mother and Father then they were sure cruel.  But it was nice for awhile.
  The scientific method is the most logical and will bring more happy
rewards than that of a Big Male God who is allowing a 'tradegy' to be
enacted when true partying could be going on.
  Yea, your my brother and your my sister....we are all equal parts of this,
OUR universe.  There is NO inequality in the vast.  There should only be
fun, games, sex and happiness while life does indeed exist.
  Perhaps the period we are in now, in our evolution toward intelligent
beings, may be know as the '$hit age'.  Just a thought.
   Bye bye Birdie, see you in the stars, dudes.
                                Rod