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Apollo BBS Archive - July 13, 1987



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Message: 1538
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 22:50:36

Making statements based on experience is fine, but do not make general
statements based on narrow personal experiences.

Message: 1540
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: KHEP
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 00:02:33

Oops.

Message: 1541
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: James
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 10:15:21

Forget it!

Message: 1542
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: "Fixed"
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 11:15:53

  I have always thought that to be a misnomer.  A cat that has been spayed
or neutered isn't fixed, it's broken!
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *


Message: 1544
Author: $ Nikki Kalua
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Harliquin
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 20:13:57

Speaking of being "fixed" and dogs...
My cat, Harly Quin, is about 7 weeks pregnant.  I can feel the little
critters kickin' and she will probably give birth soon.  Anyone wanna bet
when it happens?  I don't know what prize to give, other than a kitten
(after six weeks).

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Message: 45059
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: In search of
Subject: LIFE
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 21:42:33


         Senescence begins
         And middle age ends
         The day your descendents
         Outnumber your friends.
                        O. Nash

Message: 45060
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 22:46:20

The Reagan Administration should have challenged the Boland Amendment in
court.  It was a sloppy move not to.  The administration also deserves to be
taken to task for not doing a better job of promoting aid to the Nicaraguan
freedom-fighters to the American people (I am happy to see North doing a
great job of that now).  I also agree that it is nearly impossible to
justify selling arms to Iran, unless their purpose is to defend against the
Soviet Union, or trading arms for hostages.

However, let us not fool ourselves into thinking the purpose of the
congressional hearings is to make the administration accountable to the
public for its actions.  The average person doesn't care about Nicaragua.
Most people don't even know where the country is or which side the U.S.
supports, and all the rhetoric from the appeasers and communist sympathizers
on the left cannot help but confuse them more.  It is telling that the
element of the scandal that is most offensive to the American public--the
dealings with Iran--is only a secondary issue in the congressional hearings.
(Actually, this is in my view a gross miscalculation on the Democrats' part;
they would have a much easier time attacking President Reagan by appealing
to public hostility towards Iran.)

Message: 45061
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 22:47:12

Presumably we agree on anything you bother to think about.  We don't agree
on the issue of whether women are underpaid because you believe what you
want to believe regardless of the facts.

Message: 45062
Author: $ James White
Category: Religion
Subject: Fundamentalism is...
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 07:44:37

Sometime in 1986 a friend of mine at church gave me a photocopy of a booklet
entitled "Fundamentalism is Nonsense" by a Mr. Jim Lippard.  Some friend of
his had left the copy on his desk anonymously.  My friend made no bones
about his being a Christian while at work, and seemingly someone felt that
he needed to be "set straight" so to speak.  I did not at that time read all
the way through the work, rather I gave it a brief overview and found it to
be very interesting but not, in my opinion, extremely well researched.  I
did at that time notice that there were excerpts from various BBS systems
here in Phoenix contained in the book.  Indeed, that is how I ended up
calling Apollo when I first had access to a modem.  Obviously, I have
encountered Jim Lippard here on Apollo, and a few months ago I received from
Jim the current edition of his booklet.  Now, I realize that Jim is working
on a revision of his book.  Fine and good.  I sincerely hope that the
criticisms that I am going to post will be of aid to him in his revision
work.
     I do not intend these posts to be an exhaustive treatise on each point.
 However, I do feel that a number of errors have been made that could have
been avoided had proper research been undertaken.  How Jim responds will be
dependent upon what his purpose is in writing his work.  If he wishes only
to confuse simplistic believers, then my criticisms will have little weight.
 However, if he wishes to present some kind of balanced work that would hold
some kind of critical weight with someone such as myself who has been
trained in the subject, then some major revisions must be made.

Message: 45063
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James.last
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 10:13:21

See what I mean James? You insist in talking down to me. We can never have a
debate when you are in this frame of mind. On the subject of women - you are
wrong and simply won't admit it!  No - I won't even say that - you just
don't know period!! -- ANN

Message: 45064
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 17:32:25

  It is surprising that we take information like this so 
calmly, as though it fitted in nicely with notions we've had
all along.  Actually, the suggestion that chloroplasts and
mitochondria might be endosymbionts was made as long ago as
1885, but one might expect, nevertheless, that confirmation 
of the suggestion would have sent the investigators out into
the streets, hallooing.  But this is a sober, industrious
field, and the work goes on methodically, with special 
interest just now in the molecular genetics of organelles.
There is careful, restrained speculation on how they got 
there in the first place, with a consensus that they were
probably engulfed by larger cells more than a billion years
ago and have simply stayed there ever since.
  The usual way of looking at them is as enslaved creatures,
captured to supply ATP for cells unable to respire on their 
own, or to provide carbohydrate and oxygen for cells 
unequipped for photosynthesis.  This master-slave 
arrangement is the common view of full-grown biologists,
eukaryotes all.  But there is the other side.  From their 
own standpoint, the organelles might be viewed as having
learned early how to have the best of possible worlds, with
least effort and risk to themselves and their progeny.  
Instead of evolving as we have done, manufacturing longer 
and elaborately longer strands of DNA, and running

Message: 45065
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Life
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 17:40:08

ever-increasing risks of mutating into evolutionary 
cul-de-sacs, they elected to stay small and stick to one 
line of work.  To accomplish this, and to assure themselves
the longest possible run, they got themselves inside all the
rest of us.
  It is a good thing for the entire enterprise that 
mitochondria and chloroplasts have remained small, 
conservative, and stable, since these two organelles are, in
a fundamental sense, the most important living things on
earth.  Between them they produce the oxygen and arrange for
its use.  In effect, they run the place.
  My mitochondria comprise a very large portion of me.  I
cannot do the calculation, but I suppose there is almost as
much of them in sheer dry bulk as there is the rest of me.
Looked at in this way, I could be taken for a very large, 
motile colony of respiring bacteria, operating a complex
system of nuclei, microtubules, and neurons for the pleasure
and sustenance of their families, and running, at the 
moment, a typewriter.


Message: 45067
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Question?
Subject: Jim White/Radio
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 19:51:14

Gee, Jim, let me on your show, introduce me as a 'radical atheist' and give
me five minutes to blow god away, then, Jim, I will fall on the floor, start
squeaking in tongues, praise Jesus, claim that my toothache is gone, okay?
  All this for $25. and a free subscription to your newsletter.
  If I had been on your show, I would have blown you away but I was too busy
singing "Oh bloody, bloody Jesus, I love your blood so red, I love the
bloody corpusles streaming from yer head."
  Another 'time', perhaps?
                    Yours in Bobra and all other things that matter, I am,
                        Me
P.S.  It is nice to be me, it is great not to be lost in stupidity.  
Yeowwww!



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Message: 1094
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jamies
Date: 07/10/87  Time: 13:22:35

The correct answer to the Question is ...............................
                                        
        1 and 3!

He starts out in his Red pajamas with the buttons down the back and winds up
in his birthday suit.

        For all those enquiring minds.......
                That will be 35 cents, each.

        Shiverin' Sandy

Message: 1095
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Answer!
Subject: sandy
Date: 07/10/87  Time: 23:27:47

the check is in the mail....
   (do Enquiring $tatus minds get a discount? Is this tax deductible? Is 35
cents REALLY worth this  many questions? Enquiring minds want to know....)

Message: 1096
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Enquiring minds
Date: 07/11/87  Time: 17:00:15

The 35 cents is the discount for the Enquiring $tatus minds ......
Yes, the 35 cents is deductible ....... satisfying enquiring minds is for
the benifit of society as a whole.

Message: 1097
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Bulletin
Subject: Enquiring minds
Date: 07/11/87  Time: 17:13:59

                ENQUIRING MINDS .....

        Rod Williams was caught conversing with an unidentified entity on
the phone late last night. When questioned about the strange glow eminating
from the phone and the Heavenly music heard in the background, Rod Williams
declined to answer.
        Mr. Williams tried to hide the blush on his face and tried to
control the guilt look but was unsucessfull.
        It appears that one of our resident Athiests is commuting with a
rather Saintly character. On good authority, this Saintly character appears
to be God.
        Rumors are spreading that Mr. Williams will be asked to leave the
Athies movement. This shame that Mr. Williams has incured will be felt
throughout the movement.
        Mr. Williams stands a good chance of being declared a Non-human and
forced live in Arizona for the rest of his life or until Meekam is no longer
governor.

                ..... YOU WANTED TO KNOW!

Message: 1098
Author: $ Mark Adkins
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff's jammies
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 00:43:49

Are you sure he doesn't wear a Big Bird suit?

Message: 1099
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 02:52:20

And where does he wear his Verbatim headband?

Message: 1100
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Headband
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 12:22:13

        Who told you about Cliff's Verbatim headband????????

Enquiring Minds will have to pay a bit more to find out the answer to that
one!

Message: 1101
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Answer!
Subject: last - headband
Date: 07/12/87  Time: 23:50:40

Where does he wear it?  On his head, of course.

...

Message: 1102
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: TV/Movies
Subject: Dean & Movies
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 00:29:40

Dean said he and Traci were going to have to decide which G movie to see
next. I suggested that they live a little and see a PG-13 movie, but he
would hear none of it.

Message: 1103
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/God
Date: 07/13/87  Time: 23:22:10

Oh, he was talking to himself again?