Apollo BBS Archive - January 1990

Apollo BBS Archive - January 1 - 7, 1990

Message: 62231
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Joke
Subject: Cartoon
Date: 12/31/89  Time: 13:52:16

Did anyone happen to catch the "Bizarro" cartoon for 12/28.  I know the
author intended the cartoon to be funny but it was too close to the truth to
be much funny.

The picture is of a courtroom with a judge talking to a couple of "chopper"
type people.  He says,

"Today I'm letting a lot of violently dangerous people go on minor
technicalities, but next time I may just decide to make an example of
someone and throw the book at them - - SO JUST WATCH OUT!

Our judicial system in action today!

Message: 62232
Author: $ Shirley Bear
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: New Years
Date: 12/31/89  Time: 14:16:10

Happy 
       New
              Year
                    Everyone

                                **** Shirley ****

Message: 62233
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: 12/31/89  Time: 17:46:29

Well I haven't been online much lately but I thought I would stop by and
wish all of you a Happy New Year. This pass year sure has been busy for me. 
I haven't been able to do much BBSing. I hope this next year I will be able
to have more free time for myself. Some of us have to work for a living (uh
Paul) (Hee Hee Hee) :) I'll be working the Day shift for next year. I hope
that will help, but I doubt it. But anyway have a Happy New Year and don't
drink and drive.
 
                                                             <<< Joe >>>

Message: 62234
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Be Bop Deluxe
Date: 12/31/89  Time: 21:17:35

I've been trying to find that album on LP.  In fact, I attempted some time
ago to order it through Daryl, with no luck.

Message: 62235
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: statistics source
Date: 12/31/89  Time: 21:23:29

From two books:
 
The stats on the death by handgun rates of the various countries I got from
a book called "Probabilities In Everyday Life", by John D. McGervey, from a
section which actually argues in favor of strict gun controls.
The stats on Switzerland's militia came from a book called "Myth
Information", from a section dealing with the misconception that
Switzerland's neutrality somehow implies pacifism or unpreparedness.
The second book is by J. Allen Varasdi.

Message: 62236
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: New Year
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 00:02:32

        Happy 1990 Gang!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62237
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: New Year
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 00:11:56

        A Happy New Year to you all ..................

                        Sandy SySop

Message: 62238
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 01:47:43

Ho ho ho.  Oh, sorry.  I'm a bit late.

Message: 62239
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob Thornburg
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 01:54:47

A few things.  First Jim Lippard is *NOT* JT.  JT is James Taranto.  JT is
*NOT* James.  I am.  This is because of the Apollo BBS accord of 1986,
paragraph 6, line 3.

Your messages on religion are astoundingly obtuse.  First you state that you
will read the book Lippard recommeded if he read Josh McDowell's.  He stated
he had, but you then refute his recommendation with your usual flip remark.

Oh, and you speak for god in saying that the bible was there in the
beginning.  Is he still getting all the royalties?

Message: 62240
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Panama
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 02:16:53

I was in the general area when the attack began.  (Say in Maryland or Penn.
if Panama is W. Virginia.)  I remember the first thing I heard about is the
one year old child killed by the US soldiers.  Not real happy news.  

Most of the people in the region that I talked to it were for the action,
but were very upset at the number of dead.  The problem is not just Noriega,
but most of the PDF and the punk brigrades.  The whole system needs a good
flushing out.  

As for the canal being built by Americans, that may be overstating it a bit.
I believe a lot of local labor was used, including a lot of blacks from
Carribean countries who were more malaria resistant.  Sure, we paid for it,
and continue to pay them a million or so a year for the lease.  But we
certainly take a lot more than that in.

According to my dictionary giving the canal back was started in 1965, and
was finished in 1978 by Congress.  It also says that they are constucting
another canal 10 miles south.  It's a fairly recent dictionary, but I hadn't
heard of the new canal being planned.

Message: 62241
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 05:05:56

 No Annie, most people don't die from terminal heart disease, smart aleck!
Most people die from lack of breath, and smoking sure shortens that, too!
As to your last bit of silliness...."Just try and tell me you don't want
one!".....Obviously, noone can tell you anything, so why should I bother
trying? Actually, after being free from the addiction for some 18 years now,
the only thing that turns me off more than cigarette smoke is homosexuality,
and no, I don't want any sex with a member of my own gender either! Heh!

Message: 62242
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Question?
Subject: Roger
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 05:09:28

 Which MacDonald's did you go to Roger? The only ones that I know of do have
non-smoking sections, quite well posted as such.
 One of the first things I do when going into an unfamiliar restaurant is
ask where the non-smoking section is, and if they don't have one, I tell
them that their lack has just cost them a customer, and leave. It's just not
worth the risk of having a meal ruined by being forced to breathe someone
else's second hand smoke.

Message: 62243
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: New Year, 1990
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 05:13:34

 From the looks of the log, I must be the only one who got a good night's
sleep! Anyway, I may as well jump on the bandwagon, and wish all the users
of Apollo the happiest of New years. May 1990 be the best yet!

Message: 62244
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/Pointing Wolves
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:08:22

  Because it makes it easy for people with who despise or dislike
Christianity (primarily due to a misunderstanding of just what Christ was
all about) to point at the actions of one or two misguided individuals, and
attempt to justify their own misguided understanding of Christianity. There
is an interesting article in the latest Good News Express (formerly Love
Express, free at all Christian bookstores) entitled "Real Christianity
Defies Media Stereotype." I think you would find it interesting and oh-so
true.

Message: 62245
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau/USF
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:12:06

I need to copy that information down and perhaps we could get one of the
local talk show hosts to do a phone link-up with this guy. I'm sure it would
be a great morning drive-time piece.

Message: 62246
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Smoking in Japan
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:19:25

   Perhaps, but they also adhere to a healthier diet than we American's do.
(Though for how much longer is anyone's guess. America's imported
cholesterol bistros are doing well with the younger population.) Imagine,
though, if the Japanese maintained their healthy diets and quit smoking as
well. Their life expectancy would probably be unbelievable!

Message: 62247
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/Be-Bop
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:20:40

I'm still trying.

Message: 62248
Author: Rick McGee
Category: Answer!
Subject: C
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 10:41:42

You forgot to capitalize "truth".

Message: 62249
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Apollo Trivia
Subject: backup 1990
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 11:29:55

        Apollo has been fully backed up today (01/01/90)

                        Does this make you feel good?

        Ann Oudin may log in late today....as she was out sinning last night
way past her bed time.  You know, smoking and drinking!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62250
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Apollo Trivia
Subject: Ouch!
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 12:19:18

        1989 is the worst year for user loss.... Apollo lost exactly
40 users.
        
        Only 24 users paid dues (re-joining or joining for the first time.)

        My wish for the New Year is to pick up a few more good hard core
users and keep the ones we got!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62251
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Panama Canal
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 12:54:28

  Theodore Roosevelt did not dig the canal himself, by hand, but he did
create it in every other sense. If it were not for him, there would probably
never have been a canal in Panama.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 62252
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/smoking
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 13:31:04

If it was me and I did not smoke, I would have gone over to that person and
very politely told him he was in a non-smoking area and would he please
move! If he got nasty, then I'd get nasty. 
When we go to a restaurant and sit in the smoking section, I always try to
get in the center or as far back as I can get from the no smoking area.
Smoke drifts and if those people wanted smoke with their meals, they'd be
sitting in the smoking area.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62253
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl/Japan
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 13:36:05

No! Their life span would not be unbelievable! I read where if we did stop
smoking and eating the wrong foods and exercized properly, we'd only add
less than two years to our life spans. That doesn't include people who have
tendencies to hereditary diseases. Unless modern medicine can come up with a
good Syborg (sp?) that they can put our brain into just after we are born,
we just arn't gonna live that much longer. Death is a fact of life I guess.
                       -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62254
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on sinning
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 13:39:17

Sorry to say I was not out sinning last night. My daughter and grand
daughter came over and the four of us played Pictionary until about 11 PM.
They left, we went to bed - watched Dick Clark's New years show and went to
sleep. When I got us this morning at 7AM hubby decided we needed to do
computer office work. That's why I'm late logging on. No sinning! Sigh!
DRATS! He's the sinner for making me do such things on New Years day
morning. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62255
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James Hawley
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 18:37:01

Re:  "Jim Lippard is *NOT* JT.  JT is James Taranto.  JT is *NOT* James.  I
am"

I'll try to be more careful.

Re:  "First you state that you will read the book Lippard recommeded if he
read Josh McDowell's.  He stated he had, but you then refute his
recommendation with your usual flip remark."

I'll try to be not so flip.  I said to Lippard I would look for the books
on my next trip to the library.

I'm sorry my posts are so aggravating to you.  It's good that people like
you are so kind to point out all my errors.

Re:  "Oh, and you speak for god in saying that the bible was there in the
beginning.  Is he still getting all the royalties?

Is this your example of not being flip?  Why is it ok for you but not for
me?  I don't remember saying the Bible was there in the beginning.  God knew
what was going to be in the Bible in the beginning.  The Bible wasn't put
together as a book until long after the ascension of Christ.

Message: 62256
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Answer!
Subject: Annie
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 18:42:19

Re:  "When we go to a restaurant and sit in the smoking section, I always
try to get in the center or as far back as I can get from the no smoking
area. Smoke drifts and if those people wanted smoke with their meals, they'd
be sitting in the smoking area."

Annie is one of the most considerate smokers I know.  I had to force her to
smoke in my house.  She wanted to go out back and smoke.  (She also threw a
leaf in my pool) :-)

Message: 62257
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Thornbob
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 22:25:26

I don't claim that the bible is supreme knowledge.  You do.  

Message: 62258
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: New Years Day
Date: 01/01/90  Time: 22:57:43

Today I rode 1-800-THE-TRAIN from Williams to the Grand Canyon and back. It
was great fun.  We had about 3 hours at the Grand Canyon to walk around, eat
lunch, walk around, etc., before returning on the same day. I understand
that in the summer the return train will run an hour later, giving four
hours of free time.  One can also take a train up one day and come back the
next day (or several days later).  Regular service will begin in March. 
Today was the last train of the inaugural service (and also the first run of
the new year. Toot toot!)
 
For those asleep, this is an oil-burning steam engine that pulls five
or six Pullman coaches between Williams and the Grand Canyon.  The engine
was built (as a coal-burner) in 1901 and converted to oil just last year.

Message: 62259
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/life expectancy
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 03:22:28

The human body has a maximum life-expectancy of about 120 years. Should all
disease be eliminated, that would be the point at which you would be
thoroughly worn out. Anything beyond that would require intervention into
the mechanisms of the aging process.

Message: 62260
Author: Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: paul/62242
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 07:53:32

It's a new one that opened at 92nd st and Shea. They actually have ashtrays
available for smokers !

Message: 62261
Author: Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ann/62252
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 07:57:42

I thought of doing that, but my wife counseled against it by saying, (sotto
voce) "DON'T MAKE A SCENE, IF YOU DO, I WILL LEAVE YOU". Faced with that 
choice, I meekly glared at the miscreant and dumped my garbage in the trash
container and left with my wife.

Message: 62262
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bobby on pool
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 08:17:33

No ... I smoked that leaf. Remember? -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62263
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 08:20:07

You gotta be the luckiest person alive to go on that inaugural train ride! I
forgot about it or would have tried to get tickets. March? Gads, I hate to
wait that long. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62264
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick/life expectancy
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 08:22:22

I read that 120 was the max. life expectancy - but where is all these
people? Somewhere in the world there ought to be people 'living right' and
reaching that age. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62265
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hi
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 13:37:14

Hi.

Message: 62266
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: LAST
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 16:20:11

Hi.

Message: 62267
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/train
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 17:11:10

I said last ride of the Inaugural Season.  THe train started rolling in
September.  Both of the rides that I mentioned were yesterday (January 1,
1990) one north, the other south.

Message: 62268
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: The Train
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 19:50:03

        Later this year when it warms up a wee bit, I would like to make a 
'BBS Family Train Ride to the Canyon GT'.....  What a great fun day we could
all have.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62269
Author: Bobby Davis
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AMERICA
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:30:56

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OUR INTEREST
WHEN IT COMES TO KILLING OUR
PEOPLE
PROTECTING OUR LAND FROM DICTATORS
AND DEFENDING OUR ALLIES
WE HAVE THE POWER AND GUTS

Message: 62270
Author: Bobby Davis
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: SEX
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:33:07

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SEX ON TV

Message: 62271
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Sinning
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:53:11

NOT sinning? How wrong you are! You ever wonder why Dick Clark never ages?
It's because he's the ANTICHRIST! Yessss, mah freynds, it's TROO!

Message: 62272
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Question?
Subject: Uhh...
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:55:27

   Since when did Panama become a U.S. sattelite country?

Message: 62273
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bobby/Last
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:56:43

   That's your prerogative, but of course, you know you will have to find a
couple of people willing to HAVE sex on your television. Hope you have a
console model; staying on those table models without falling off is tricky!

Message: 62274
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/62212
Date: 01/02/90  Time: 23:45:55

     Does this mean it's OK for us to reply to your pornography-related
messages now?
 
     "Ad hominem" is a Latin term that basically means "against the man."  
So when somebody is trying to discuss ideas and facts, and you reply by
attacking them personally (message 62085, for example), you are using an ad
hominem approach.  In formal debate, this is wrong and the person using ad
hominem would be penalized.  In reality, ad hominem is used all the time,
and unfortunately, too often gotten away with.
 
     By the way, you're still a weenie.  

Message: 62276
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Xmas
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 01:02:43

      I'm getting tired of all the complaints about Christmas/Xmas being too
commercialized.  People have been saying that for years.  Get real; LIFE is
too commercialized.  The same people who complain about commercialization
are problably spending their money on things like...oh, I don't
know...commemorative Star Trek USS Enterprise decorations.  Or something.
     For all we know, Christ wasn't even born in the month of December. 
Nobody knows.  December 25 is just an arbitrary date.  It's no coincidence
that that date just happens to be extrememly close to pagan and Jewish
winter holidays.  It's no coincidence that Christians have absorbed pagan
and Jewish holiday traditions into their own holiday celebration.
     People like Xmas trees because it's fun to decorate.  It's a part of
the festivity.  Accept it, give in to it, and get on with it.  If Xmas trees
are too expensive for your taste, just celebrate a week late.  There are
plenty of lonely trees hanging out near dumpsters.  They need a home.
     Cliff, did you give presents to your friends and family?  Or is that
another part of the traditional Christmas celebratory practice you despise?
     In any case, Xmas is over, and so are the 80s.  Groovy.
 
     [Note:  Any references to Xmas made in this post are not intended to
imply that Cliff refers to the holiday as Xmas.  Cliff hates that
oh-so-pagan term, and if you put such a foul word near Cliff's name, he will
zap you.  He zapped me.  Zapped me good.]

Message: 62277
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Jimmy Swaggart
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 01:33:22

2/21/88 -- Jimmy Swaggart, whose visits to a Louisiana prostitute have been
exposed by rival evangelist Marvin Gorman (whose own adultery had been
previously exposed by Swaggart), temporarily steps down from his ministry
after a gasping and sobbing TV confession.  The prostitute, Debra Jo
Murphree, soon appears naked in Penthouse, where she supplies the seedy
details of their trysts - she assumed lewd poses while he masturbated.
 
 
[From Paul Slansky's book, _The Clothes Have No Emperor_]

8/29/88 -- Jessica Hahn, the first celebrity to parlay a nude spread in
Playboy into a radio job, starts work at Phoenix's KOY-FM as the "Morning
Zoo Y95 Weather and Prize Bunny."  One of the furst listeners to phone in
calls her a "slut."
 
9/5/88 -- Tammy Faye Bakker describes her last night in her PTL mansion
before being evicted by Jerry Falwell.  "As I lay on the floor in the dark,
empty room," she says, "Tuppins, my puppy, licked at the tears running down
my face.  'Oh, Tuppins,' I sobbed.  'Why has God forsaken me?'"
 
10/7/88 -- Dan Quayle, whose handlers are struggling to fool people into
thinking he's not an immature brat, sprays water on reporters during a
campaign stop.  "This is for all the articles you've written about me," he
says.
 
10/14/88 -- NOW PLAYING:  The Accused, starring Jodie Foster as a gang-rape
victim.  St. Elizabeths does not suggest a field trip for John W. Hinckley,
Jr.
 
10/24/88 -- Okay, our focus:  Are Babie Being Bred for Satanic Sacrifice? 
Controversial, to say the least.  Unbelievable, to say the least. 
Disgusting, to say the least.  We'll be right back."
     - Geraldo Rivera cutting to a commercial on his daily talk show

DAN QUAYLE TALKS ABOUT THE FAMILY
 
     "Don't forget the importance of the family.  It begins with the family.
 We're not going to redefine the family.  Everybody knows the definition of
the family.  [Meaningful pause] A child.  [Meaningful pause] A mother. 
[Meaningful pause] A father.  There are other arrangements, but that is a
family and family values."

     "I've been very blessed with wonderful parents and a wonderful family,
and I am proud of my family.  Anybody turns to their family.  I have a very
good family.  I'm very fortunate to have a very good family.  I believe very
strongly in the family.  It's one of the things we have in our platform, is
to talk about it."
 
     "I suppose three important things certainly come to my mind that we
want to say thank you.  The first would be our family.  Your family, my
family - which is composed of an immediate family of a wife and three
children, a larger family with grandparents and aunts and uncles.  We all
have our family, whichever that may be.... The very beginnings of
civilization, the very beginnings of this country, goes back to the family. 
And time and time again, I'm often reminded, especially in this Presidential
campaign, of the importance of a family, and what a family means to this
country.  And so when you pay thanks I suppose the first thing that would
come to mind would be to thank the Lord for the family."

Message: 62280
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/Mac's
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 05:41:56

 If a complaint to management is to no avail, I would definitely call or
write to corporate offices until a non-smoking area is dedicated, and
enforced! The general management of MacDonald's is ver commmunity minded,
and does designate non-smoking areas. If they knew that such a condition was
losing them customers, I feel certain that they would correct the situation.

Message: 62281
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Train GT
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 05:45:43

Sounds more like a weekend event. That's a long haul for one day, and who
wants to rush through a trip to Grand Canyon? It's too awesome to just run
to the edge, say "gee!" and run back to Phoenix.

Message: 62282
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Grand Canyon
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 11:21:30

        I have driven up there... played and driven back the same day. Sure,
you can't go down and explore the canyon.... but the trip is fun.
        The GT idea was to enjoy a train ride and spend 3 or 4 hours taking
in the beauty of the canyon...  not to mention FRESH air (Smokers can stay
home)

        Tough getting old... ain't it?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62283
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Zak on CHRISTmas
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 11:47:03

        Gift giving for the sake of gift giving is stupid.  I give gifts all
year long to my family because I WANT TOO!  If you want to get right down to
it, we put more importance on the boys birthdays and each others then we do
on CHRISTmas.
        It is ONLY my opinion that CHRISTmas is getting to be a merchants
salvation rather then salvation of mankind.  The true meaning is playing
second fiddle to Santa and you are made to feel guilty for not buying gifts
for everyone.  
        If you want a tree...that is fine.  I see no real harm in it other
than all those OXYGEN producing living green trees are axed for a few days
of pine needles in your home.  And the fact every year children are killed
by these same trees catching fire because they are so dried out in the
attempt of some merchant to make a quick buck, that he wants trees on his
lots first.
        Have at it!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62284
Author: Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: paul/roger/mac's
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 12:43:11

You are absolutely right. Next time I go to McDonald's at 92nd St and Shea
I intend to follow up on the matter of the case of the non-existent smoking
section.

Message: 62285
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 15:50:35

     Christmas trees are farmed for the specific purpose of being cut down. 
If they weren't cut down, they would die anyway.
     I didn't realize pine needles gave so much oxygen.
     

Message: 62286
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak on trees
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 19:08:40

        They are not cut down...they are topped off a larger tree.
All green trees give oxygen.... I am sure one or 100 would not make that
much difference, but we are talking hundreds of thousands of tree toppings.
Why do you feel the tree would die anyway?  Have you ever been to a tree
farm?   I have...and they just don't die after Christmas when left uncut.
        
        There are some that do cut down the whole tree... but I understand
that is rather rare.   At least this is what we were told on the tree farm
tour back east when I was in school.  (BMC Durfee High)  or was it Henry
Lord?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62287
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: train trip
Date: 01/03/90  Time: 21:54:13

Speaking of fresh air, there is no smoking allowed on the train.

Message: 62288
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Tren turismo
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 00:53:16

Sounds fun.  A night over would be fun, but I doubt you could get enough
people together for it.  One day sounds pretty nice too...  As long as it
doesn't stop at every banana plantation.  Oh, sorry, different train.

Message: 62289
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: trees
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 01:57:15

     I haven't been to a tree farm, and I didn't know that all Christmas
trees were merely the tops of much larger trees.
     I think I recall somebody telling me that at tree farms, the trees are
grown so close together that they can't survive when they reach maturity.
Somebody please shed some light on this.

Message: 62290
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/trees, etc.
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 06:01:44

 Gee, Cliff, I'm not so old that I can't remember which High school I
graduated from! (smile)
 To the best of my limited knowledge of the subject, Christmas tree farms
plant on a staggered basis, and whole trees only are used in the harvest,
then the area is reseeded. The type of trees used, mostly Douglas fir ans
Scotch pine, are fast growing, so a maximum crop can be harvested from the
least amount of space, and crops can be rotated so as to give the trees
ample time for proper growth.
 The only forested trees used for Christmas trees are those for which
permits have been issued by the National FOrest Service, and those that can
be cut for he purpose are clearly marked, and the operation watched by FS
officials quite closely. That, at least, is my understanding, gleaned some
time ago from a son-in-law who works (?) for the Forest Service in Cal.

Message: 62291
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak on X-trees
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 07:08:56

Actually, there are two kinds - one where they just top the trees and leave
the rest living and a Christmas tree farm when they grow them close together
and they would indeed not survive to maturity if left like that. I do not
know for sure, but I think they cut every other one in the latter and
replant a smaller one where they cut. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62292
Author: Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Noriega Chained
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 08:12:37

Noriega is now languishing in an American jail. I wonder if he can raise
bail ? :-) Not only do I believe he can get a fair trial, I think he will
not be convicted of any of the serious drug-related crimes for which he 
will be indicted. Reason is simple: Bush, CIA, etc., had agreements with
Noriega and Noriega will want to subpoena gov't officials including Bush
and obtain documents and the gov't will be refused, case dismissed ! As
far as having Noriega extradited back to Panama is concerned, I'll bet that
part of the agreement Noriega forged to leave the embassy includes any 
prohibition against any kind of act such as that.

Message: 62293
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Last
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 13:47:09

  I think you may be right.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 62294
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Noriega
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 14:47:40

     Maybe we can work out a plea bargain with Noriega, in which Noriega is
let free, but must agree to wear a T-shirt every day that says "My record,
two six packs, and being a drug kingpin equal one-hundred forty-five years."

Message: 62295
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Christmas
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 15:11:49

Well, it's finally over, and I can finally admit that I'm turning into a 
Christmas hater.  Maybe my energy levels are low at this time of year, and 
maybe I'm just getting old, but this season of forced merriment wears on 
me more every year!  Everyone's emotions seem to be on edge, as they try 
to enjoy the commercialism and crowds that accompany shopping for gifts.  
The music is inane, and you never hear the old, meaningful carols that 
proclaim the original meaning of the season.  Parking lots and streets are 
jammed, tempers grow as short as the days themselves, and all the time 
this message is forced on you: "If you're not having a good time standing 
in line, or looking for a parking place, or worrying about the mounting 
bills, there's something wrong with you."  There's no use wishing for a 
return to old-fashioned, simpler seasons.  The world has moved on, and 
left us in the dust.

   However, don't get me wrong, there are quite a few things for which I 
am grateful.
   #1.  It's over.
   #2.  The living room is back to normal.  The tree is down and the 
trimmings are packed away for another year.
   #3.  I can find my way around the fridge again.  Those strangely shaped 
platters and brightly colored bowls of gunk are gone now.
 
   #4.  Our out of town visitors have gone, and we've packaged up all the 
items they left behind to be UPSed back to them.
   #5.  Nearly everyone is over the flu and other assorted illnesses that 
strike during this festive season.
   #6.  There are parking places again at the malls, and there are no long 
lines at the cash register.
   #7.  TV ads are back to touting breakfast cereals and laxatives, 
instead of Mutant Monster Barbie Clones.
   #8.  The crowds of ill-mannered, screaming, pushing children waiting to 
sit on some red-suited stranger's lap have disappointed, and kids are no 
longer being urged to talk to strangers.
   #9.  My cholesterol level is creeping back down to its normal levels 
and no one is urging me to eat all the things that cause it.
  #10.  My thank-you`s for all the ties, cologne, and handkerchiefs are 
mailed, and the mailbox no longer is stuffed with cards from people I no 
longer remember, with their inane attempts to de-Christianize the season.  
(HAPPY HOLIDAYS, A JOYEAUX SEASON, etc.)
  #11.  I have 355 days to work myself back into the mood again.
    
                                           Bah, Humbug!
 
                                                   ****  Gary   ****

Message: 62297
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Answer!
Subject: Paul/ACLU
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 16:56:27

Re:  "Abolition of the entire organization would be the most merciful
contribution to justice I can think of."

Amen!

Message: 62298
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gary!
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 20:03:53

        Great list....  I feel the same way.

                        Only 355 more days...   shudder!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62299
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/Cliff/Xmas
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 22:44:10

   "Xmas" is not a pagan abbreviation of the word Christmas. The whole thing
started back in New York some many years ago. A Greek grocer wanted to put
"Merry Christmas" in his window, but there were too many letters, and it
wouldn't fit. Knowing that the first letter in the Greek word for Christ was
"X" (pron: CH), he shortened it, and made his sign. It took off from there,
and has survived all these years. All these people complaining that "Xmas"
takes the Christ out of Christmas, it DOESN'T. It just shortens it.

Message: 62301
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/Slansky
Date: 01/04/90  Time: 22:51:18

  Gee, I hope this Slansky guy never made a mistake in his whole life. Hey,
guy, don't those posts constitute copyright infringement? Did you get prior
consent before posting those large segments of material? You pirate, you.

Message: 62302
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Westfall on Xmas
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 00:53:55

        I am sure XMAS was not originally ment to be an atheist spelling of
CHRISTmas....  however, that is just what it has become and I resent it.
The word 'gay' was not originally ment to mean what it means today.
However if you wish to call CHRISTmas, Xmas and call yourself gay, have
right at it.

        See what I mean?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62303
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/Noriega
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 06:07:12

 He is being held without bail, which eliminates that possibility. As to the
rest of your concerns, I wouldn't be surprised, although the government
CLAIMS that they made no deals. Personally, I would like to see him
extradited back to Panama, where he would be tried for murder, and where
there is less likelihood of "bleeding heart justice". With the feelings
running as high as they are there right now, I think his hanging in a public
square in Panama city would be cause for another big party.

Message: 62304
Author: Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: sysop/xmas
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 07:57:38

But Christians have subverted a perfectly good pagan festival, the Winter
Solstice. So, y'all have no right to complain. You find out when in the
year Christ was born in your literally true Bibles, and then you can have
Christmas (not Xmas) at that time of the year !!!

Message: 62305
Author: Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: paul/noriega
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 08:01:39

re:government claims. You mean you doubt what the government tells you ???
That's unpatriotic. I think President Bush would be very disappointed that
his credibility is so low --- he must have given strict orders to his staff
to be even sneakier after the public found out about Skowcroft's secret
trip to Peking.

Message: 62306
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gary/Xmas messages
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 08:22:35

Your right about it all, but just think, they will start pushing Christmas
again in February! This is so you'll be in the 'right frame of mind' to
start shopping soon for next Christmas. Spending is more the right word.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62307
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Question?
Subject: Brake Job
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 09:31:11

Hey folks!  I need to get a brake job done on my car.  Can anyone recommend
a good place here in the valley?
 
(I've ran into so many lowlife scum mechanics in the past year, I don't know
who to trust.)
 
((I must really be naive to trust BBS people.))

Message: 62308
Author: $ Shirley Bear
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: +iPaul/Noriega
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 10:54:54

I agree with you.  I don't think Noriega will get even half of what
he should if he is kept here and tried.  But Panama will or would
hang him for sure.

Message: 62309
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: NORIEGA
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 11:37:31

     The Panama gov't didn't want Noriega.  Evidently, their legal system is
even worse than ours & those making the decision thought Noriega would stand
a better chance of conviction here.  Go figure.

Message: 62310
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Question?
Subject: CLIFF??
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 11:38:29

    In what way is "X-mas" considered an atheist phrase for "Christmas"? 
That sounds silly.

Message: 62311
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last on Xmas
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 12:26:41

        I have been told that Atheists who do not like the word 'Christ'
will use the term 'Xmas'.   That was enough for me to see I did not want to
use the term.  I have the RIGHT to my view on this, and that is how it is.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 62312
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: Old Tree [V]ote
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 12:27:05

This question applies to your place of residence during the Christmas
holiday.

[A]I did NOT have a Christmas tree.
[B]I had a real Christmas tree.
[C]I had an artificial Christmas tree.

Poll results to date:
[A] 9    [B] 10   [C] 6

Message: 62313
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Season past...
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 12:33:46

  
                 DON'T LET THEM TAKE
                        THE
                         X
                     OUT OF XMAS
                         !

Message: 62314
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Vote
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:00:48

So, should *anybody* be sent into combat???

Message: 62315
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: The vote
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:35:05

My absentee ballot is: 

Message: 62316
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff on XMAS
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:39:13

I couldn't aggree more wholeheartedly!
Pffft! to the atheistic pagan tree killers!
Pffft! to the idea that CHRISTmas should be Xmas.
Lemme see... that makes as much sense as calling
Peter Petrisko, Xrisko.
 
Makes perfectly good sense if you insist on Xmas.

Message: 62317
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: thoughts of God
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:58:04

62200:  That's part of the realm of theology.  Theologians seem to think
they can do it.  If you can't know anything about God, you certainly can't
be a Christian.

Message: 62318
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: USF
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:58:38

I don't have access to the program, it's aired in Ithaca, NY.

Message: 62319
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 19:01:45

I ain't JT.
  Ad hominem means against the person instead of against the argument (i.e.,
personal attacks).  Craig didn't say that McDowell's books were "pretty
lousy", he just agreed with me when I said that to him.  He said that
McDowell's apologetics might have been good for the 18th century, but not
for the 20th.  I'd give you details but I haven't time (long distance call
here) and they're in my pamphlet and I've posted them here before.
You can send me your address (to me at P.O. Box 37052, Phoenix, AZ 85069)
and I'll send you a copy.  I ordinarily charge $4, if you send something to
cover my expenses I'll be more likely to send you one.  (Each one costs me
$1 in postage and a bit over $2 in printing.)

Message: 62320
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/history
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 19:03:16

Paul Johnson, _History of Christianity_, Latourette's n-volume _History of
Christianity_.  There's a lot more to Christianity than fundamentalism.
The reformation is late, late stuff.  I'm talking 1st through 8th centuries
or so.  Lots of stuff happened to get Christianity looking the way it does
today.

Message: 62321
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: rose petal
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 19:03:59

It was free.  They paid for the toll-free call and for the mailing.
And it works, too.  Spy magazine wants to print one of my letters in their
March issue.

Message: 62322
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/Christmas
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 20:57:24

It's the fact THAT we celebrate it, not WHEN we celebrate it that counts.
Christ freed us from such legalistic things such as WHAT DAY to celebrate a
particular holiday. If a Christian decided not to partake of the
(overcommercialized) standard Christmas celebrations (trees, gifts, big
dinner, etc.), it would make him no less of a Christian. In fact, we
should celebrate His birth (as well as His death and resurrection) every day
of our lives!

Message: 62323
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Peter/Noriega
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 20:59:04

   I believe I heard that when Noriega is tried, he will probably be
expelled from the country (??? - ooookaaay), at which point the Panamanians
wish to put him on trial themselves.

Message: 62324
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jim's Thoughts/God
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 21:10:41

   No, you are misinterpreting what I posted.  There are thoughts from God
which do know about, and those are the thoughts and words expressed by Him
in Scripture.  What I'm talking about is knowing the mind of God; knowing
His thoughts, comprehending His knowledge. Surely you, as an "expert" on the
Bible, know Isaiah 55:8-9 and Romans 11:33-34. We can "know" Him, and yet
not necessarily know His thoughts. Could your argument be extended so far as
to say that since you can't read my mind, that you don't know me? No, of
course not. That's absurd. We, as Christians, know God. But that doesn't
mean that we can read His mind or know His thoughts or ways apart from what
He has made known to us.

Message: 62325
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim/Early Church
Date: 01/05/90  Time: 21:12:52

  Yes, there is a book available at the Glendale Public Library (and I'm
sure Phoenix Library has it too) titled "Early Christian Writings."
Authorship is listed as "Apostolic Fathers." Interesting stuff.

Message: 62326
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl on Slansky
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 02:53:00

It's likely Paul Slansky has made mistakes in his life (and why do you think
anyone has claimed otherwise?).  I'd be willing to bet that when his
mistakes are pointed out to him, he admits them.  That's more than can be
said for the people he criticizes in his book.

Message: 62327
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Answer!
Subject: Gary Jones
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 04:12:22

RE:  "#7.  TV ads are back to touting breakfast cereals and laxatives,
instead of Mutant Monster Barbie Clones."
 
Why is this good?
 
Do you really consider "Happy Holidays!" an "inane attempt to
de-Christianize the season?"  
 
RE:  62313.  "Don't take the X out of Xmas!"  What does this mean?

Message: 62328
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Answer!
Subject: Paul/62303
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 04:19:25

     First you want to take all the gays out in the desert and have them
shot.  Now you think Noriega should be hung in public without a fair trial. 
What next?

Message: 62329
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Politics
Subject: Slansky on Noriega
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 04:38:19

12/10/83 -- George Bush meets secretly with Manuel Noriega at the Panama
City Airport.  They discuss allegations of money-laundering and drug-dealing
against the Panamanian general - allegations the Vice President later claims
to be unaware of.
 
2/6/89 -- NORIEGA INDICTED BY U.S. OVER LINKS TO ILLEGAL DRUGS
     EXTRADITION ISN'T LIKELY
            -The New York Times
 
5/9/88 -- OFFICIALS SAY BUSH HEARD '85 CHARGE AGAINST NORIEGA
     SEEMING CONTRADICTION
     VICE PRESIDENT HAS SAID THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW OF REPORTS ON DRUG ROLE
UNTIL '88
            -The New York Times
 
5/25/88 -- George Shultz concedes that the three-month US effort to ease
Manuel Noriega out of power - which had degenerated to the point where he
wouldn't have to leave Panama until August, or maybe never - has failed.

Message: 62330
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Zak/62328
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 06:21:21

 Oh give me a little time, and I'll think of something repulsive, disgusting
and heinious enough for you.
 I think that Noriega deserves the same brand of justice he meted out to
those with whom he disagreed when he was in power. I don't think that "fair
trial" was in his vocabulary.

Message: 62331
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Answer!
Subject: Todd
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 16:14:24

Re:  "((I must really be naive to trust BBS people.))"

We found a good mechanic in Glendale.  Wally's Auto Service.  Just north of
Glendale Ave on 54the Ave.  We've been using him for several years now with
nothing but excelent service.

Message: 62332
Author: George Martinez
Category: For sale
Subject: computer equipment
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 20:47:57

please contact geore martinez, 820-6400 nd telephone umber of bullitin
boards
tks    george

Message: 62333
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Xmas Trees
Date: 01/06/90  Time: 23:39:10

The Arizona Game and Fish Dept. like old Christmass trees.  They take them
and put them into lakes.  Apparently the trees make great shelter for
younger fish, EH???
 " The ATARI WILDCAT "  Steven Carls

Message: 62334
Author: Mike Carter
Category: In search of
Subject: Hard Disk
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 03:06:15

Looking for a hard-drive suitable for a small XT system.
The drive needs to be of the half-height variety due to the
manufacturers short-sighted and short-dimensioned box design.
Doesn't have to be new, but should be working.
I'll consider cash or trade if that's desired..either way.
 
If it's a 20 meg, I have controller and cables.
If its anything under, I'll need the controller that works with
it as this RLL heap doesn't like the 10 meg I have.
        
R.S.V.P Here or on GARGOYLE BBS 943-4523...leave mail
to "mike" or "sysop"
 
                -Mike

Message: 62335
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 04:01:52

Just because somebody doesn't have "fair trial" in his vocabulary doesn't
mean you should take it out of yours.

Message: 62336
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/62328
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 04:33:03

   Death penalty for parking violators.

Message: 62337
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 05:23:02

When so many hardened criminals stand before the bar of "justice" and get
off completely on technicalities, or have charges reduced to next to nothing
as a result of plea bargaining, I think that the concept of fairness has
flown out the window. A fair trial should be one in which the evidence that
led to the trial in the first place is presented, with any extenuating
circumstances that may have existed, and if said evidence points clearly to
the guilt of the party on trial, sentence should be handed out accordingly,
and executed immediately. This goes all the way up to, and including capital
punishment for crimes for which it is indicated.

Message: 62338
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Peter P.
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 11:08:35

Your Gallery X got quite a write up in the paper this morning. (Sunday)
For those of you that haven't read it - it's on page E-3 right at the top.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 62339
Author: Larry Winn
Category: Politics
Subject: INCUMBENTS
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 12:26:31

THE INTENT OF LAWS IS TO LIMIT THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT.
TO MAKE LAWS NUMEROUS, TO MAKE THEM COMPLEX, TO MAKE EACH LESS THAN THE
CLEAR EXPRESSION OF A SINGLE THOUGHT, IS TO UNDERMINE THE PURPOSE OF
LEGISLATION. THE CAREER POLITICIAN IS THUS THE NATURAL ENEMY  OF SOUND
GOVERNMENT.
THE WAY TO APPLY THIS NEARLY SELF-EVIDENT PRINCIPLE IS IN THE VOTING BOOTH.
AVOID INCUMBENTS WHEN POSSIBLE.
ONLY A BODY OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES SERVING A SINGLE TERM, THEN RETURNING
TO THEIR FORMER PLACES IN SOCIETY CAN DISCHARGE THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTIONS OF
GOVERNMENT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE GOVERNED.

Message: 62340
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: SysOp on "Xmas"
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:16:28

Actually, the character x in Xmas represents not the letter x in the Roman
alphabet, but rather the Greek letter chi.  The Greek form of chi looks
rather like a Roman x, both in lower-case and capital.  Chi is the first
letter of the Greek word for "Christ".  The symbol has long been used as an
abbreviation for Christ, and while there may be the occasional atheist who
fancies Xmas as a secular euphamism for a Christian holiday, it is simply a
form of abbreviation.

Message: 62341
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: for a good time...
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:18:36

Brake job?  Sounds obscure, but try the stall walls at any Pep Boys
restroom.

Message: 62342
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: News Today
Subject: Porn Update
Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:35:17

'CHESTER MOLESTER' CREATOR GUILTY OF ABUSING TEEN GIRL
 
  (AP) VENTURA, Calif - The cartoonist who created 'Hustler' magazine's
"Chester The Molester" feature has been convicted of molesting a teenage
girl.
  Dwaine Tinsley, 44, was found guilty of five child-molestation accounts by
a Superior Court jury on Friday. Jurors agreed Tinsley had substantial
sexual contact with the girl, but acquitted him of six charges and
deadlocked on five.
  The cartoon created by Tinsley depicts a lecherous character and his
attraction to young girls. He refused to talk with reporters after the
verdict.
  Defense lawyer George C. Eskin promised to appeal the guilty verdicts,
arguing as he did during the trial that the girl accused Tinsley in
retalliation for his efforts to halt her drug use.
  Tinsley could face a maximum prison term of sixteen years, and a $50,000
fine when he is sentenced March 1, [according to] prosecutor Matthew J.
Hardy.
  Evidence presented at the trial said Tinsley told co-workers "You can't
write this stuff all the time if you don't experience it."
  But Tinsley's cartoon eliminated it's focus on pedophilia several years
ago, Hardy said.