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Message: 5026
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Movie
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 07:24:40
Has anyone seen 'Twins' yet? Any good? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 5027
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean/5024
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 07:44:15
Yes, future designs. In other words, the future designs, removing the
religious mottos (and hopefully those suspect symbols on the back of the ONE
as well?) will not cost anything (well, I'm sure the designer wants to get
paid, and the Government doesn't give Green Stamps) UNTIL they are
implemented. Then, the wheels of spending go into action. New plates (LOTS
of them), new inks, new paper, possibly new presses. Those WILL cost. And
cost BUCKS.
Message: 5028
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Last....
Subject: Money, money, money
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 11:43:58
The govenment is planning a redesign of the paper currency in the near
future, being that the current designs are relatively easy to counterfeit.
Any changes to the current design could be made then without incurring any
extra cost.
As I said before, my main objection to the slogan "In God We Trust" is
that it's inaccurate. Changing it to "In God Most Of Us Trust" or "In God
Almost All Of Us Trust" would be acceptable to me.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 5029
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Easter
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 11:45:11
Have any of you Christians ever wondered why the date Easter falls on
depends on the phase of the moon? I can't find that in my Bible.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 5031
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: IGWT
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:12:56
Jack Kemp would like to change it to "In Gold We Trust." I'm not to sure I
like a fiat currency, either.
Message: 5032
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Taranto / IGWT
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:36:52
"How much will it save?"
Not a soul!
-Mike
Message: 5033
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:22:37
It wouldn't save any money, and I never said that it would. I mentioned
the fact that it wouldn't cost anything because currency is redesigned
occasionally anyway and there would be no need to replace existing currency
ahead of schedule. In spite of what Daryl would tell you, a currency
designer doesn't donate his work for free just because "In God We Trust" is
included in the design.
It might not save any money for the government to stop many of its
questionable policies, but that hardly overrides all other principles
involved.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 5034
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Movie
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:24:52
If you like Arnold and/or Danny you will probably like the movie. Its a
little different role for Arnold, as he doesn't kill anybody.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 5035
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:34:46
So far no one has presented any evidence that any principle is involved in
the objection to "In God We Trust" appearing on currency.
Message: 5036
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean/No cost?
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 22:09:28
I would not bet on it.... If the U.S. Government just dropped off
the "In God We Trust", they would be taken to court by people wanting it to
remain.... I fear it is a no win situation, as in "Your damned if you do,
and damned if you don't".
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 5037
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 23:12:26
While it may not be the case that leaving the slogan on is unconstitutional,
taking it off certainly isn't. I can't imagine on what grounds someone
would file suit to keep it on.
But then again, people have filed lawsuits against Satan.
Message: 5038
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean/Twins
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 07:39:32
You mean Arnie doesn't go to some remote island and single handed wipe out
1000 bad guys? You mean there are no strapping on of weapons and painting
his face? Hmmm ... might not be worth going to see after all. Ha - only
joking. Arnie and Danny are good in most of the roles they've played so far.
So I guess I chance it. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 5039
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Easter Date
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 09:53:04
Easter was originally intended to coincide with the date of Passover, but
since the Hebrew calendar and the regular calendar don't have the same
number of days per year, it didn't take them long to get out of synch.
Passover is calculated by a lunar calendar of 28 days.
**** Gary ****
Message: 5040
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Twins
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 13:12:17
This time Arnold comes FROM a remote island and single handedly reforms
his delinquent brother and reunites his family. I liked all his action
movies as well as anyone, and I like this one too.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 5041
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/Taranto
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 13:22:57
It will not cost more to omit religious mottos from future currency
designs. The possibility of spurious lawsuits is not a real consideration,
and the fact that it may not save any money does not alter the fact that it
will not cost more money.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 5042
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Lippard / 5037
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 23:34:30
While it may not be the case that leaving the slogan on is unconstitutional,
taking it off certainly isn't. I can't imagine on what grounds someone
would file suit to keep it on.
But then again, people have filed lawsuits against Satan.
-But then again, people file lawsuits just because they think differently
than others and want the law to prove them right. Proof to people
like yourself is something that is written on paper by someone who claims
to have validity or backing. Proof indeed.
Leaving the slogan ON certianly isn't unconstitutional. Trying to remove it
is about as usefull as tits on a wild boar. Then again, people have
wasted years of their life doing nothing but wasting theirs and others' time
by attempting to prove to themselves that God doesn't exist.
Shortsightedness is not only a physical but a physiological condition as
well.... and it can be cured.
-Mike
Message: 5043
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 00:56:23
proof is something that is written on paper by someone who claims to have
validity or backing? Excuse me, but that seems to be YOUR definition of
proof - checked out the Bible lately?
As to the rest of your message, I'm sorry I even replied to the first part.
Message: 5044
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 08:29:39
Proof relies upon many other things than just the elements of logic or
physical manifestation. I tie proof into fact. Proof needs to be an absolute
based on fact. Although not singularily defineable, but almost always
proof is in essence an acumulation of facts and cannot be ever tied
to just a few events as it by nature should be able to be traced back.
That's perhaps the biggest reason why so many of us get really screwed
at one time or another or even multiple times. Its amazing what man will do
to man. When you start to require proof for yourself or others for anything,
then you will understand the difference between the pure pursuit of truth
and the self-gratifying, self righteous pursuit of "justification".
But some really miss it.
SInce the tone of your last message suggests that you only use People and
paper, then my question to people like yourself and Jim Lippard is;
Prove Love.
Prove it the way you have set your own standards for proof. I will, in this
case play the Jim-Lippard devils advocate and will utterly shoot down
silly emotional content, flippant remarks or doses of "I feel it".
Perhaps when you attempt to prove LOVE exists with this yardstick you could
begin to understand how God is real.
-Mike
Message: 5045
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: The Game & Parade
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:49:57
What the heck is going on? I never, in all my years remember getting up on
New Years day and not seeing the Rose Parade??!! Or later, watching the
Rosebowl game. They've got all the damn games lumped together tomorrow -
even the Fiesta Bowl. If you don't have a VCR or at least 2 TVs you'll miss
one of the good games. Who decided this? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 5046
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 10:53:14
I imagine the games were moved to accommodate the NFL playoffs today.
Message: 5047
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Carter
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 12:10:36
I am not a constructivist, so I don't see proof as simply that which can be
written down on paper. While empirical facts are one means of "proof" (in a
loose, non-logical/mathematical sense of the word), they are not the only
means. A priori philosophical considerations can also play a role. (In
fact, the strongest sorts of proofs, in logic and mathematics, do not
involve empirical facts at all.) I don't happen to think there are any
"proofs" in the strong sense regarding the existence of God, but believe the
weight of the evidence to be in favor of atheism. (Interestingly, arguments
for the existence of God, other than design arguments, tend to ignore
empirical facts, while arguments against the existence of God such as the
problem of evil rely heavily upon them.)
Regarding the perennial challenge to prove the existence of love: that
can be done rather easily in various ways--behavioristically,
neurochemically, and experientially--to anyone's satisfaction. All the
theist can produce for the existence of God is a claimed experiential
"proof", which when analyzed from the other two standpoints I just mentioned
becomes rather insubstantial, to say the least.
You do have a good point regarding wasting my time, though. I frequently
feel a twinge of guilt when replying to your messages--there are so many
other better things I could be doing, like engaging in a battle of wits with
kindergarteners.
Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 2012
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: art
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 00:57:00
I will be showing a recently completed series of xerographic collages
at a local club. The subject of this work is murder.
The show is entitled "Dichotomy of Murder", and also features oil
paintings by John W. Gacy.
Opening/New Year's Eve blowout is set for Dec. 31 (obviously) and
features a number of local bands - 24 Hour World & Godwads to name two.
Only $5, so leave e-mail for
details. Have a nice day.
Message: 2014
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sandy - responses
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 05:12:10
Yeah -- if a woman sleeps around she's labeled a whore, slut, cheap - if a
man does is - he's sowing his wild oats or being a stud. In fact, take the
word 'stud' - there is no word like it to discribe a woman. That also
applies to 'Macho' too. It's early - about 5:AM - so I can't think right
now, but I know there's a lot of stuff like that. Jeannie? Do you have any?
Lets hear it from the woman on this subject and Beau Dog - stick around and
hear it and make comments! - if you dare! Ha ha. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2015
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Answer!
Subject: discrimination
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 07:29:25
Hey..........Annie.......
I spend too much time actually being discriminated against to worry about
the little verbal slurs in the language. If a person feels that women are
second class citizens then there seems little one can do about it. Even
proving that you can do the job doesn't work, because they can always find
excuses for why a woman could do so well.
You're right, I could write a book, but probably won't. I actually *like*
guys in spite of all the macho slurs they sling. Guess that shows I'm just
a poor, weak, woman!
See Y'aa..............
Jeannie
Message: 2016
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Kontest
Subject: Santa!
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 09:38:03
~(;-0>>>> A Winking Santa.... by Cliff.
All Kontest drawings must be in by today (12/21/88)....
So far...Cliff is in the lead!
Ho Ho ho.... Merry Christmas Apollo Users....
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 2017
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 12:41:53
No, the final day is 12-24-88. Don't try to pull one over on poor little
Ann.
Message: 2018
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Doodle
Subject: SANTA IT'S NOT!
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 15:49:18
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Message: 2019
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 23:12:18
Cliff! You Jerk!
You not giv'n me 'nuf time ta creeate sumthun ............
What kind of joy are going to get from this victory?
The next time we have a car race I will inform you from the finish
line.
Remember the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you.
Repented yet? ..........
Message: 2020
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Doodle
Subject: Santa
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 01:11:37
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Message: 2021
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Doodle
Subject: PS:
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 01:12:43
*MY* Santa offers to bring good little Sandy her own ultraTHANG for
Christmas if she gets Cliff to choose the RIGHT Santa. (Not that I'm trying
to fix anything.)
Message: 2022
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff - you rat!
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 06:58:11
How can you do such a thing as to have a last minute Santa Kontest? I hope
Daryl sends Sandy her very own THANG - that's what you deserve!
-=*) ANN the Offended (*=-
Message: 2023
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last few/Santa
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 09:53:45
It was announced weeks ago there would be a Santa Kontest...
Sorry Daryl, your post was dated the 22nd.... the kontest was over at
midnight the 21st... ha ha ha ha Ho ho ho ho ho
Well, Sandy has me convinced I should give you guys an extension.
But your drawing must be under the category!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 2024
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Music
Subject: music
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 11:26:47
CHRISTMAS IN BIZARRO LAND
(Lyrics By Daryl Westfall)
(Performed By Happy Bob & The Dorks)
It's Christmas
In Bizarro Land
Little Bobby
Ain't gettin' nothin'
Little Bobby
Was a bad little boy
So they're cutting his hands off
To give to science
IT'S A BIZARRO LAND CHRISTMAS!
IT'S A BIZARRO LAND CHRISTMAS!
SANTA'S RIDING A FROG!
DAD IS EATING FLIES AND SMOKING
YULE LOGS!
Little Bobby
Is so happy
In Bizarro Land
Christmas is
BLEAK! SAD! AWFUL! MISERABLE! TERRIBLE!
HE AIN'T GETTIN' NOTHIN! AND HE'S HAPPY!
Bizarro land Christmas
Is so sad
Little Bobby
KILLED HIS DAD!
MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM BIZARRO LAND!
(c)1988 Applause Music/Electronic Publ., Ltd. All Rights Reserved
This is available on a cassette single to anyone who is interested.
Message: 2026
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/Technicalities
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 11:30:19
There's no way that I can capture my file and reupload it under
ontest.
Forget it. Merry Bizarro Christmas.
Message: 2027
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Kontest
Subject: Santa
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 12:22:19
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Message: 2028
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Music
Subject: Song
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 23:30:10
I'd like a copy.
Message: 2029
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sandy - your santa
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 07:22:34
Bravo! Very good.
Cliff: it's only fair you let Daryl's santa in the Kontest. Where's you
Christmas spirit fellow? Bah - Humbug! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2030
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Kontest
Subject: My entry
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 08:27:32
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Message: 2031
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Review/Critique
Subject: Ann/Santa
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 13:47:25
Wonder if I would be smiling if I was stuck in a chimney ....
Message: 2032
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Sandy/last
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 08:26:53
He wasn't stuck! I made the chimney wide so he wouldn't be. -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. When is Cliff gonna judge these drawings and what's the prize? I'll
take Nick for my prize!
Message: 2033
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Answer!
Subject: last
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 02:01:16
You may have me, but you'll have to beat me first.
(With your car, Ann!)
Message: 2034
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Nick/last
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 09:49:02
Whew! You had me scared there for a minute thinking I'd have to beat you
litterly! I'd lose of course - but the auto's are another thing. By the way
- MY Zoltan the Corvette got two Christmas presants for his very own - a Thi
(sp) good luck charm to hang off the mirror and a brand new tire from
Goodyear. What did your little auto get? - a complete over haul? Hahahaha.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2035
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Answer!
Subject: last
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 02:27:26
My little econobox is getting a Gale Banks exhaust system. If you only want
to be slightly embarrassed, you should race me before I install it.
Message: 2036
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 02:08:33
You know that Ann will never race you. I doubt that she could handle her
car at speeds over 100mph. I know that Firebird used to allow you to use
their track (for a fee) for drag races of this type.
Message: 2037
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: James - last
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 07:19:17
Yeah - your right. I would not race him - but I would let someone else drive
like my husband, that has no fear of man nor beast - or high speeds. I, only
once had the car over a hundred and very briefly. I am afraid of speed and
the law. I have NEVER had a ticket of any kind in my life and will continue
to keep that record if at all possible. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2038
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann/ticket
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 11:48:58
Knock on wood, Ann ........
You will, for sure, get a ticket now!
(sinister laugh .....)
Message: 2039
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sandy/ticket
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 07:18:54
Yes, your probably right - I will get one now. If a cop did stop me, I'd get
out of the car pleading and begging! I read one time that it does help to
ask the policeman not to ticket you - of course, that doesn't mean if you
were going 80 in a 25 mile an hour zone or you hit a kid on a bike and left
him for dead! Or you have this huge, Red THANG stuck in the trunk and it
blocks all rear vision! Hahahahaha. -=*) ANN (*=-
*=* Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board entered *=*
Message: 21
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: The person who...
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 23:55:04
The person who has the helicopter (or airplane) game that you play over the
modem (Gunship?) please speak up again... I am very interested in playing,
although I do not have the game..
I just got F-19 Stealth Fighter by Micro-Pros. It is very good. There are
4 different missions, it has this big keyboard overlay that gives all the
functions of each key... it is great!
----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8
Message: 22
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Last
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 14:30:50
Rod has Flight Simulator which can be played over the modem.
Message: 23
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: ST & Atari
Subject: Midi
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 14:17:29
DOes anyone know of a good Music/Midi program. I just got a electronic
keyboard for Christmas and I could use a good program to use it to its
fullest capacity. I would appreciate any comments or reviews.
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 24
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Hardware Not Listed
Subject: SCanner Owners...
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 16:18:23
I have a *very* comprehensive list of frequencies in use around the
valley. Not just numbers but Fcc I.D.'s, primary use, and channel number
(if applicable).
Covers 25MHZ to 1.3GHZ Many frequencies totally unlisted and can't
be found by asking the FCC for them.
$4.00 / hard copy 440+ frequencies
-Mike
Message: 25
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: IBM & Clones
Subject: "THEXDER" owners
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 16:22:14
Anyone want a cheat sheet?
I've been poking around in the code and found a few things that
will allow you to "survive" anything while playing.
-Mike
Message: 26
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Hardware Not Listed
Subject: Mike
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 22:47:27
How recent is the update? My father would probably be interested.
Message: 27
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Hardware Not Listed
Subject: Scanners/Mike
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 00:19:38
Mike you might be interested in contacting Jerry Schumacher on the ACCESS
BBS (247-7016). He has published a book (about 1 1/2 inches thick with
scanner listings. I think it covers the whole state and has a wealth of
information.
<<< Joe >>>
Message: 28
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: ST & Atari
Subject: Steve
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 02:11:56
I have a Casio MT-240 that I use a little. I generally use Music Studio,
but it's certainly not the best. (Almost the worst, actually.) I would try
logging on to KBBS 257-0596 and leaving mail to the sysop. He's a
professional musician, and used his 520 a great deal for MIDI. His name is
Ed Hirt.
Message: 29
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: ST & Atari
Subject: MIDI
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 03:56:59
Pick up a copy of "Electronic Musician" magazine at Tower Records. You'll
find a lot of ads for MIDI software.
Message: 31
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Hardware Not Listed
Subject: Joe
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:40:00
O.k, I'll do that. I'd like to see what he has and doesn't have.
-Mike
Message: 32
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Hardware Not Listed
Subject: Daryl
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:42:42
My last update to it was 3 nights ago.
I still need to revise some areas. Some of the info listed needs to
be condensed because there are a few MULTIPLE use frequencies and
those that are inter-agency useage. ...and to take out personal notes
about stuff others really don't need to know about nearby stations.
(Sinister grin)
You'd be amazed at what people say on CORDLESS telephones!!!!!
-Mike
(HEHEHE)
Message: 33
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Carter
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 19:17:51
Ok, you've got me interested. Where do I send my envelope?
*=* The outer COSmos Bulletin Board entered *=*
Message: 2472
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Sandy/last
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 05:17:45
Cliff put me in there all alone and that was hell - he should have waited
until he put Mike and David in there and that wouldn't have been so bad -
not bad at all! Heh heh heh. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2473
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question ?
Subject: Cliff
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 05:19:53
Cliffy - how can I move a message I put on the Art sig. which would be
better on this sig. because of it's content? I thought I was in this sig.
when I posted it! Sorry -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. It was the one about the difference between men and women.
Message: 2474
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last/Ann
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 08:09:12
Ann, Just catch the post you want to move in your buffer... or
save it to disk as selected text if you are using FIRST CHOICE. (Remember
to give it the extention of '.ASC' for ASCII) Then send or upload it to
this SIG. After you are done.... ap old post.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 2475
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: $#!+
Subject: She's Back
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 13:28:38
And Here is Annie BACK.
:-) Ralph (-:
Message: 2476
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Thoughts For The Day
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 17:55:26
Fuck.
Message: 2477
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 18:42:46
Off?
Message: 2478
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Thoughts for the day
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 19:06:08
Life's a bitch ....... then you die.
Message: 2479
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Sandy/last
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 07:24:32
I've heard that expression/saying before and the more I read it, the more I
think it just might be the truth. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2480
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Answer !
Subject: David
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 08:46:59
No, up!
Message: 2481
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Choose Your Choice
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 09:24:33
[A] ...off
[B] ...it all
[C] ...'n A!
[D] ...a duck
[E] ...it
[F] ...you
[G] mother...er
[H] take a flying...at the moon
[I] all of the above
Message: 2482
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Re-BuTTal
Subject: Last
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 17:47:04
You forgot...
[J] ...me please
[K] ...me sideways
[L] ...truck
[M] ...a buck then a cow and go and tell mommie just how.
[N] ...her, I did.
Just to list a few
-Mike
Message: 2483
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Legal joke (1 of 3)
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 23:04:37
One evening after attending the theater, two gentlemen were
walking down the avenue when they observed a rather well
dressed and attractive lady walking just ahead of them. One
of the two turned to the other and remarked, "I'd give $50
to spend the night with that woman." To their surprise, the
young woman overheard the remark and turning around, she
said, "I'll take you up on that." She had a neat appearance
and a pleasant voice, so after bidding his companion
goodnight the man accompanied the lady to her apartment
where they immediately went to bed. The following
morning the man presented her with $25, and prepared to
leave. She demanded the rest of the money stating, "if you
don't give me the other $25, I'll sue you for it!" He
laughed saying, "I'd like to see you get it on those
grounds." The next day he was surprised when he received
a summons ordering his presence in court as a defendent in a
lawsuit. He hurried off to his lawyer and explained the
details of the case. His lawyer said, "She can't possibly
get a judgment against you on such grounds, but it will be
interesting to see how her case is presented. After the
usual preliminaries the lady's lawyer addressed the court as
follows: Your Honor, my client, this lady here, is the
owner of a piece of property, a garden spot surrounded by a
profuse growth of shrubbery, which property she agreed to
rent to the defendant for a specified length of time for the
sum of $50. The defendant took possession of the property,
used it extensively for the purpose for which it was rented,
but upon evacuating the premises he paid only $25, one half
the amount agreed upon. The rent was not excessive since it
is restricted property and we ask judgment be granted
against the defendant to assure payment of the balance due.
The defendants lawyer was impressed and amused at the way
his opponent had presented the case. His defense,
therefore, was somewhat altered from the way he originally
planned to present it. "Your Honor, my client agreed
that the young lady has a fine piece of property, that he
did tend it for a time, and a degree of pleasure was derived
from the transaction. However, my client found a well on
the property, around which he placed his own stones, sunk a
shaft and erected a pump, all labor performed personally by
him. We claim the improvements to the property were
sufficient to afface the unpaid amount, and the plaintiff
was adequately compensated for rental of said property. We
therefore, ask that judgment not be granted."The young
lady's lawyers' comeback was this: "Your Honor, my
client agrees that the defendant did find a well on her
property and that he did make improvents such as my opponent
described. However, had the defendant not known the well
existed, he would never have rented the property. Also upon
evacuating the premise the defendant removed the stones,
pulled out the shaft and took the pump with him. In doing
so, he not only dragged his equipment through the shrubbery,
but left the hole much larger than it was prior to his
occupancy, making it easily accessable to little children.
We therefore, ask that judgment be granted. AND SHE GOT IT!
Message: 2486
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Pat/your joke
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 09:51:43
Now that was a very good joke and it had class too. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2487
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Pats last
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 10:08:56
Keep 'em coming!!!
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Message: 2488
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Pat's Last
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 15:37:11
Couldn't have told it better myself.
Apro Poet
Message: 2489
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 16:16:08
Couldn't have told it better myself.
James Taranto
Message: 2490
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Answer !
Subject: JT
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 11:17:51
Does JT ever get an idea on his own?
!!!! Shoot Them All Ralph !!!!!
Message: 2491
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 15:12:30
Gosh, you have a quick mind.
Think about JT's joke for a while, and maybe you'll understand it.
Keep in mind that he was copying one of Apro's messages.
Message: 2492
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 17:30:12
Aha! Now I get it!
Message: 2493
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Me
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 07:22:41
Just checking to see if this sig. is still here. I don't think a thing has
been written here for over a week. What? No one wants to insult anybody? Has
everyone made a New Years resolution to be nice? Ugh! What a thought.
-=*) Annie the AssP (*=-
Message: 2494
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 19:21:33
Oh, for crying out loud, shut the heck up.
Message: 2495
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Hey
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:35:26
What are you doing for Jesus, you punks?
Message: 2496
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Toddy
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 07:42:00
Ah! That's better. A good insult! -=*) Annie the AssP (*=-
Message: 2497
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 11:05:53
Shut up, you baby-killing animal lover.
Message: 2498
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer !
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 23:45:23
Yes, you animal devouring baby burning advocate for the criminally insane.
Perhaps a tour of fecal matter swimming in artic Greenland will freeze
your mouth.
-Mike
(Happy New Year ya Wench)
Message: 2499
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Beau Dog #2497
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:51:04
I would say that discribes me well. Thanks. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2500
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Mike/last
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:53:28
I certainly won't try to insult you fellow. You are absolutely the King of
the insults! I remember when you and poor Daryl were at it. He was good -
but you were still the King.
You have a Happy New Years too dear. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 2501
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer !
Subject: Taranto/doing
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 18:27:59
I quit flushing.
*=* Bulletin Board entered *=*
Message: 56117
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: LAST
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 00:51:07
Screwing up that job, no doubt.
Message: 56118
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff - the Zone?
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 04:57:31
Why did you banish poor Mike and David to the Zone pray tell? That is a fate
worse than death! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56119
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff Winters/job
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 04:59:50
Congratulations! You can do it! You'll be on the road to prosperity once
again. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56122
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 18:09:19
The Council on Hemispheric Affairs observes that "The White
House keeps up a steady stream of calumny directed at
Managua, charging the ruling Sandinistas with everything
vile: drug-running, genocide, subverting their neighbors, and
now international terrorism," charges that have not "been
burdened with evidence" but are reported with only rare
attempts at evaluation. The technique is the one pioneered
during World War I, when the first major government
propaganda agency, the Committee on Public Information,
discovered "that one of the best means of controlling news
was flooding news channels with 'facts,' or what amounted to
official information.
Few are willing to undertake the tedious task of refuting
the regular flood of lies; they have little access to the
public in any event, and they can always be dismissed by the
charge that they are apologists for the enemy and its actual
crimes. This standard device is sometimes used consciously
as a technique to preserve the crucial Right to Lie in the
Service of the State; or, for the more deeply indoctrinated,
it may simply be impossible to conceive of criticism of the
Holy State as anything but support for its official enemies,
principled criticism of the divine institution being
unimaginable. In either case, the discussion shifts to the
evil deeds of the official enemy and the critic can be
dismissed as an apologist for these crimes, as having a
"double standard," etc.: the Holy State and the Right to Lie
in its service are secure. The device was, and still is,
used with tiresome regularity with reference to the Indochina
wars: a critic of the US attack against South Vietnam must be
a "supporter of Hanoi," so one can respond to the criticism
by producing true or false charges against Hanoi, and if the
critic refutes false charges, that just proves that he or she
is an apologist for Hanoi as originally claimed and there is
no need to consider the original criticism of the state one
serves. The same device is now constantly used in the case
of Central America.
One would think that the transparent silliness of the
procedure would embarrass its practitioners, but evidently
this is not the case.
These are among the reactions which anyone who undertakes
the task of principled criticism of state actions or domestic
institutions should expect, if the critic is not simply
ignored, a relatively simple matter in a deeply indoctrinated
society in which private power can ensure fairly effective
control over the means of expression.
Message: 56124
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: 56038
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 18:51:19
Bob,
As Cliff as explained to you, if you do a $C when you read the posts, you
have the option of using the Q key to skip by posts that you don't want to
read.
I use the Q, P and spacbar when scanning through posts on here....the Q
mostly on Apro Poets.
As to your insult....I must have missed it....try again
Message: 56125
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: 56046
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 18:53:19
Ann,
Before I discovered the Q key, I was forced to read Apro's posts and I've
found that there is very little in his posts that I miss. Maybe there might
be one or two that are readable, but reading all of them to find that one or
two is like going through a garbage bin in hopes of finding a diamond ring.
Message: 56126
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: 56111
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 18:56:38
If you put poor Mike and David in the Phantom zone for their minor
transgressions, how about Apro Poet also? He's gone from 1-3 posts per day
to 3-5!! The man must spend full time finding things to plagiarize and bore
people with...the Phantom zone would give him a much needed and well earned
rest.
Message: 56127
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 20:59:26
You probably know this by now (it's on another SIG), but Mike and I wanted
to be in the Phantom Zone. Cliff kindly put us there.
Message: 56128
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last...
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 21:52:04
Yes, They asked to be there, so they were granted their wishes... David
wanted out so I released him. Mike wants out, but he is STILL there....
I do not feel like letting him out.
Do you have a problem with this?
*=* The Mighty Apollo SYSOP Vanishes in a Puff of Blue Smoke *=*
Message: 56129
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last on PHAntom Zone
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 22:04:17
Yes, I have a problem with that, BUT I AIN'T GONNA COMPLAIN, are you?
Hehe!
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Message: 56130
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: In search of
Subject: Cliff & All
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 23:24:08
I need an old junk printer to send in for a rebate. Can anyone help me?
Message: 56131
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: LAST
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 01:56:06
I have a piece of $#!+ Atari 825 printer. What's in it for me?
Message: 56132
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: David???
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 06:49:11
Why did you want to be put in the Zone? Has too much school work warped your
brain or something? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56133
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Comix
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 07:22:08
Hey............Annie..........
Too bad you don't read the morning Phoenix paper. Berk Breathed's Bloom
County is hitting right on your newest hot spot.
He's got Opus the Penguin hunting for his long lost mother in a cosmetics
testing laboratory. Here are all these cute little Disney Thumper type
bunnies strapped down on lab benches or fastened into torture devices while
drugs are forced down their throats or chemicals like oven cleaner are
sprayed into their eyes.
And all the while this innocent penquin wanders around asking stupid
questions and excusing himself for interrupting their lunch.
My own personal feelings are that anyone should have the right to know which
drugs and cosmetics are produced from animal research. THen they could
refuse to wear the cosmetics or refuse to take the disease curing drugs if
it offended their sensibilities. Kinda "Right to choose" for drug and
cosmetics users!
See Y'aa..............
Jeannie
Message: 56134
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 18:11:37
We return to some of the further charges against the
Sandinistas. The crucial point is that they have a
cumulative effect, whatever their veracity. It is
well-understood by Reagan's advisors, the ADL and others
practiced in the skills of defamation, lies and brainwashing
that repeated charges that receive wide publicity create a
lasting image, even if they are disproven point by point in
critical analysis that may subsequently be noted on the back
pages. The chief foreign correspondent of the *London
Guardian*, reviewing Ray Bonner's important book cited above,
comments that Bonner (who notes that he originally accepted
government deception as a journalist in El Salvador) "is
rarely as angry about the journalists as about the officials
who manipulate them":
He is well enough aware that the issue in El Salvador is
not reality as such, but how that reality is perceived:
the United States is not just conducting a political,
economic and military war, but a propaganda war as well.
But he seems less exercised than he might be about the
degree to which journalists accept the US Government
line. A lie reported as fact on the front page of the
*New York Times* affects public opinion. The same lie
exposed years later by anonymous officials reminiscing,
or thanks to a Freedom of Information suit, is mainly of
interest to historians. For every expose which Mr.
Bonner and the handful of other industrious reporters
make there are countless tendentious stories which are
never challenged. Beside the cascade of one-sided and
inaccurate reports, based on untrue data or false
premises, the honest and probing accounts are no better
than a trickle. Meanwhile, the policy juggernaut rolls
on.
Furthermore, even if the media were to treat state
propaganda with a critical eye in the manner employed for
official enemies, the government would still have won the
major battle: namely, setting the framework for debate. We
spend little time analyzing or refuting Soviet charges about
the terrorism of the Afghan resistance or Hitler's charges
against Poland in 1939, but it is more difficult, it seems,
to recognize the true nature of debate over Washington's
charges against the Sandinistas at a time when it is
launching its terrorist war against them.
Message: 56136
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Zone
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 18:39:59
No, I just wanted to read all those messages you put on the Zone whining to
get out. They were pretty entertaining.
Message: 56137
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ZONE
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 19:10:12
Ann is the best groveler I know.
She can whine and whimper with the best of them.
Message: 56138
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David Burkhart
Date: 12/22/88 Time: 20:48:41
Ah, my first response. I will be more than pleased to drive over to your
house and remove it from your property at no expense to you. How about it?
Message: 56139
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeannie/Comics
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 07:04:13
Yes, I read that comic strip daily - it's my favorite and your right - it
always hits the nail on the head. Re: the Association we formed for animal
rights - I guess it fell by the wayside. The guy that started it worked at a
local feed store - they let him go three weeks ago and I haven't heard from
him and he isn't answering his phone. So I don't know if we still have a
club or not?! I have been thinking of joining another one - which there are
several in the valley - but most of them are pretty fanatic. I think more
can be accomplished if they are NOT that way. Some are really extreme - they
don Ninja suits and raid labortories and steal the rabbits for example and
let them go. Not that I disagree with doing such thing - but I don't want to
end up in jail with a record. It would make me feel pretty damn good to
brake into a place like that and free the animals! Or some awful pet store
that mistreated their animals and take them out and give them away to good
homes. But - that is being fanatic and besides - I'd be the one that got
caught! Ha. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56140
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David - the Zone
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 07:06:35
Oh my lord - you DIDN'T read that last 'pleading' message to Cliff did you?
I really 'groveled' at his feet - but he did let me out after only one day!
But that was pretty bad and I'm embarrassed that you may have read it.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56141
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: JT
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 07:26:40
Where have you been? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56142
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: #56128
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 10:30:47
If they wanted to be there, then what you did was okay. I was just thinking
that Apro Poet might want to go to the Phantom Zone for a while. There's a
whole bunch of people there that haven't been bored by his posts yet.
(LL)oyd Pulley
Message: 56143
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: #56139
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 10:34:19
Ann......like normal, Bloom County goes off on a liberal tangent. You look
at the cute penguin and forget that he is just an animal. If the drug
companies and cosmetic companies want to experiment on animals, more power
to them. We have tons of the types of animals that they want to experiment
on, so there's no harm done.
If killing 10,000 dogs/cats/rats/rabbits can save the life of one human,
then I'm all for it. If killing 20,000 dogs/cats/rats/rabbits can make one
woman smell good, then let's kill 40,000 and make her smell even better!
Message: 56144
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: The Phantom Zone
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 17:33:09
What an interesting place to be.
Lotsa really great reading to do, especially those poor Annie wrote
trying to buy her way out. I got such a kick out of them that I
buffered them and they're ready for purposes of blackmail.
Michelle Reynolds's posts were gems too.
Gee, Cliff, you oughtta put up the "APOLLO GALLERY" collections of
your favorite posts from the past and turn it into a read only sig..
kinda like an art gallery.
-Mike
Message: 56145
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 18:08:38
The *Potomac News* reported that police were looking for a
four-foot-tall, fifty-one-pound Santa Claus statue that was
taken from the yard of Catherine and John Greenwalt, Jr. in
Dale City, Virginia. The Greenwalts had assumed their Santa
was gone for good until they received a letter from Santa's
kidnapper and five photos of their Santa "sunning it up in
Virginia beach.
"From the photographs, Santa appeared unharmed. He was
wearing sunglasses and standing beside a woman on the balcony
of what appeared to be a second-floor beach apartment.
"'I think we're gonna get more pictures,' said Greenwalt.
'I think we're gonna hear from them again.'"
According to the *Albuquerque Journal*, "Santa Claus was
accidentally shot and wounded while preparing to visit the
New Mexico State Penitentiary early Christmas Eve, said
Warden George Sullivan." Santa was talking to four kids who
were visiting the prison when he heard a loud shot. "There
was smoke and everybody was thunderstruck," he said. Feeling
a burning pain in his leg, Santa "tried to bend over to see
the wound, but a pillow over his stomach prevented him."
Santa spent the afternoon in the emergency room.
Message: 56146
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 18:13:25
I was in the hospital.
Message: 56147
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 18:30:38
He had a lobotomy.
Message: 56148
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike & Gallery
Date: 12/23/88 Time: 18:52:27
There already is such a place.
It's the d of lost messages SIG..... But it is not ready for mere
mortals yet.
Message: 56149
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Where...
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 00:25:03
have the users that post gone? There are just too many silent on Apollo!
Speak up, or Apollo will surly not pick up new users.
There is news out there...
Jumbo 747 jet down... terrorists or human error?
Man on I-17 gets in accident... Shoots self! ? Why?
Will it Snow or Rain on Christmas day?
1988 is almost over... will 1989 be better or worse?
Does Ann Oudin wear a wig? Is anything else real?
Why was J.T. in a hospital. A sex change or ingrown nail?
Who saved money on Brandy this season?
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=* In God We Trust *=*
*=* Merry Christmas *=*
Message: 56150
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: posting
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 00:41:01
I can still speak and understand Esperanto. I am still skydiving. My gear
arrived last week, I should try it out next week or next weekend. JT was in
the hospital having his right wing removed so that he could be a moderate
like Bush. Either that, or he was having three more added so he could be
more like the people at the Heritage Foundation.
Message: 56151
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pulley
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 03:40:16
Remember, you're only an animal as well.
Message: 56152
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/posters
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 04:30:45
WEll, for one thing, the 747 crash in Scotland looks more like terrorism all
the time, but the authorities are being ultre-conservative in their words,
probably because they don't want to risk offending anyone, especially Arafat
at a crucial time in their backstabbing of Israel. Another reason for their
caution could be that Reagan is too chicken to wage a retaliatory strike
this late in his political career. All he wants to do is get through the
next few weeks and go back to the ranch to count his ill-gotten gains.
As to the brandy, I saved lots of money on brandy. I didn't buy any. How's
that for big savings? Come on over and enjoy a Pepsi!
Message: 56153
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: JT/hospital?
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 08:00:57
What for? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56154
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 08:02:54
Ann DOES NOT wear a wig!!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56155
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff - how could ..
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 08:08:11
... you even think of publishing what is said in the Phantom Zone? Don't pay
any attention to that rat Mike either. He has a warped sense of humor to say
the least. Did he plead and cajole to get out like the rest of us? Ha! I'll
bet you just let good old Mike out with a slap on the wrist - Right? Me? My
knees are still sore from being down on them pleading with the Mighty Sysop
to be let out within a reasonable time! Did you serve Mike breakfast in bed
while he was in there? Men! They stick together like super glue and make the
women grovel. Bah - humbug!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56156
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Lloyd/animals
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 08:14:57
You are a sick person! Yes, animals are needed to test medicines and such so
that they can save human lives - but you missed the point of the cartoon
entirely! It's how they go about testing said medicines. It can be done
humanely - or better yet, let human's test some of the stuff like perfume if
they want it so bad. If you feel so casually cruel towards animals - what
are your feelings towards humans? Suffering is suffering whether it be by
animals or mankind. Who needs perfume anyway? Women? So that they can please
men like you? Sicko Lloyd!
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56158
Author: Harry Andrews
Category: For sale
Subject: Printer
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 08:57:30
For Sale - C.ITOH 80 Column Printer
Model 7500 - $ 50.00
Call Harry Andrews - 842-0628
For Sale - Magnavox CGA Color Monitor
Model CM8562 - RGB input -- $150.00
Contact Harry Andrews - 842-0628
Message: 56160
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hospital
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 09:20:01
I had a medical problem.
Message: 56161
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on Wig
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 11:05:26
Okay, so you don't wear a 'wig', but you did not deny about the
other "False" items!
Message: 56162
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on animals
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 12:18:05
I'll bet she doesn't wear any perfume, or makeup, either, so she can be like
the animals she loves so much.
Message: 56163
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 13:22:47
Santas in Berne, Switzerland, will be required to "carry
proper identification, complete with names and photographs,
so parent who hire a Santa to distribute Christmas gifts to
their children will be sure of getting 'the real thing," said
a rent-a-Santa agency. The move was made necessary after
complaints that fake Santas, who claimed to be staff members
of the agency, were found drinking, smoking, and cursing on
the job." *(Cleveland, Ohio) Plain Dealer*
A newspaper in Maryland reported that a Santa in
Wellington, New Zealand, was "sacked for smoking on duty,
wearing an improper uniform, and handing out sweets to
teenagers instead of just toddlers. Shopkeepers said his
generosity encouraged teenage loitering. His patrons
included an eighty-nine-year-old woman who sat on his knee
and asked for a microwave."
According to the *Winnipeg Free Press*, "Kathy Odger took
her five-year-old grandson Aaron to see Santa Claus at
Portage Place," a local shopping mall. After only seconds on
Santa's lap, the little boy "bolted off Santa's knee and
over to his grandma." After much coaxing, Aaron finally told
his grandma what had happened.
"He said he had asked Santa for a dog," Odger explained.
"Santa asked him what kind of dog? My grandson said, 'a big
dog.'" That's when Santa looked down at the boy and said,
"Do you want a big f*cking dog?"
Colleen O'Rourke, manager of Portage Place, admitted that
Santa may have used the f-word. "Perhaps he had a bad day,"
she said. "I don't know."
Message: 56165
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro/Last
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 13:50:04
That last one was pretty good!!! Kepp 'em coming!
----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8
Message: 56166
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: In search of
Subject: Christmass
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 18:02:05
This is a story my friend wrote about Christmass, I hope you enjoy it as
much as I did. It also made my think. Enjoy...
"Danny!... Come on, get up!"
"Huh? Oh, I'm up. What time is it?"
"it's ten after three. Let's go see if he's been here!"
"All right. Let"S go!... Remember, don't turn on the room lights. Let's
plug in the tree. Where's the plug?"
"I got it Danny! Here goes... Wow! Santa's been here! Look at all the
presents!"
Ever since I can remember, my brothers and I would be like this on
Christmas morning. We'd all open our stockings, shake the presents under
the tree, and wait until mom and dad woke up so we could start opening
them. Sometimes we would turn on some Christmas music while we watched the
lights on the tree blink on and off... Our whole family helped decorate for
the holiday. We usually started about two weeks before Christmas.
"Can we put the tree up tonight dad?" We'd been asking for weeks,
thinking that sooner or later he'd have to give in. It was a concentrated
effort. A dad can only say 'not yet' to four sons for so long before he has
to give in.
"O.K. Tonight's the night!" He probably knew what night he planned on
starting, sort of like tradition. But we thought we'd finally won him over.
We always started by getting the Christmas tree boxes out of the
garage. We had an artificial tree in those days.
It filled four large boxes. Basically it was just a tall pole with holes
filled all around it at different levels. In the boxes were all the
branches. The wire ends of the branches that went in the pole were all
color coded so we knew where they went. Every year it got harder and harder
to tell what the colors were.
"Dad, where does this one go?"
"Let's see. It looks...blue...Yes. It goes with the blue."
"Can we get a real tree this year?" That was the question. The
question. Every year one of us would say it, and then we all would join in.
"Please can we?!"
"Pleeeeaaasssse!?"
"WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR TREE?!" The answer. Silence.
I'm not really sure how it happened. Officially we blame it on poor
packing, though perhaps other forces were at work. Whatever the case, the
next year there was a branch missing and a few were badly bent and mangled.
My three brothers and I were terrified. Dad would surely think one of us
did it. No one said a word. We just stared at the mangled branches and
then at each other. Then dad spoke up.
"When are people going to learn how to pack?!" He sounded loud, but
the anger which I expected was missing. I really didn't get it. He did as
much of the packing as we did. "Does anyone know how this happened?!"
Silence
Then mom saved the day. "Well, it was an old tree. This was bound to
happen sooner or later."
My brothers and I started breathing again, ever so slightly, It wasn't
over yet!
"Well, what are we supposed to do for a tree?!" I don't know if he was
talking to us or to mom, but my older brother started crying. I started
crying. This was unberable. We had the entire tree put together except for
the missing and mangled pieces. It looked awful. Christmas looked awful
right then. We were sent to bed early that night. I cried myself to sleep
in the top bunk. My brother didn't even tell me to shut up. We were
convinced that there wasn't going to be any Christmas, no presents, unless
someone confessed. And yet, I still wondered why dad didn't sound as angry
as I expected. I held on to this as a hope and prayer that no one would get
in trouble.
"Come on boys! Time to get up!" It was 5:00 in the morning.
Why do we gotta get uuuuuuppppp? I'm tirrrrred!" I was a great
whiner. Even without a good reason I could whine with the best of the baby
brothers in the world. This time I had a reason. "Mommmmmmmmmm..."
Cont
Message: 56169
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Religion
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 19:59:02
To all Christians, enjoy the celebration of life and Christs gift to
mankind.
To all Theists of different types, Have a merry celebration and enjoy!
To all Atheists; Have a happy holiday on Christ!
-Mike
Message: 56170
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Posting
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 20:31:35
I have been away for a while, but now that I am back I will post something
once in a while, so rest easy.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 56172
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 20:52:15
Thank God. Now I can sleep again.
Message: 56173
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carls
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 20:52:22
Not a bad story, but I thought it ended rather abruptly.
Message: 56174
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: In search of
Subject: story cont
Date: 12/24/88 Time: 22:12:29
It was my dad who answered. "There wouldn't be any place for Santa to
put presents if we didn't have a tree. We're gonna go up to the mountains
and get a real tree! It's about time we got rid of that old one." Back
then I didn't give it much thought. I was just happy not to be in trouble.
But as I think about it now, I wonder if it wasn't my dad who lost that
branch, on purpose...
"All right!" We were awake and ready to go in an hour. Not only were
we excited about getting a real tree, but also we were going to see snow!
It didn't snow where we lived. The tears of last night were forgotten in
the excitement of the trip. That was what was so great about being a kid.
Sadness didn't stay in the way of happiness.
So we all packed into the family car, a big four door dodge.
"Are we there yet?" People laugh about it as adults, but when you are
just a little kid long car rides are hard to handle.
"Almost dear," It's always the same answer. No matter how far you
really are, it is always the same answer. I guess that's fair though, no
matter how short a time you've been riding it's always the same question.
"Snow! Snow " The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls Look at the snow!"
There it was. Decorating the trees, blanketing the ground lightly, snow
getting deeper and thicker with every mile we climbed. This was my first
encounter with snow in recent memory. Oh, sure, I played in it lots when I
was in New York. But I hadn't seen it at all in the years since we moved to
the West. But I had such fond memories of it that I couldn't wait to play
in it again. I was going to build a snowman, just like Frosty the Snowman!
"Well, Hon, I think we better stop here and put the chains on." I
could hear dad and mom talking in the front seat. We were just about to
turn down a side road that led deeper onto the forest. Even from the main
road I could see dozens of trees that would be just right for our tree. Dad
stopped the car and turned around to us.
"You kids want to help?"
"Yeah!" we all cried in unison. I had no idea what he was talking
about, but I knew that once I got outside I could play in the snow.
"Put you coats on now."
"Awwww mommmm. All right..."
We piled out. My two oldest brothers started to follow my dad's
instructions, laying out chain nets behind the tires and stuff. I just
wanted to play, so my other brother and I started playing around in the
snow.
"Don't wnader too far away!"
"Hey, let's have a snowball fight!"
"O.K. You get over there and I'll stay here." He had a conniving look
on his face. I started to walk to where he had pointed, but I only got
about ten feet when he hit me. SMACK! Right in the back of the head with a
snowball!
"You cheater! That's not fair!" It's not that it hurt. And if I'd
thought of it I'd probably have done the same thing. That's what got me
mad. I didn't think of it first. I suppose that was always the problem
with being the youngest brother.
I never thougt of anything first. Even if I did, they would always say that
they already knew that or had done that before.
"You're gonna get it now!" He was already throwing another snowball.
This time he missed. I bent down and got a handful of snow. "Aaaagghh!"
"What's wrong?"
"This stuff's COLD!"
It's snow stupid!"
"Yeah, but why's it so cold?"
" 'Cause it's snow."
I dropped it. My hands were red and numb. My feet started getting
numb too. This wasn't the way I remembered snow. How could anyone have fun
in this?"
"I can't even feel my feet!"
"Don't be a baby!" He threw another snowball at me and hit me in the
arm. I got really mad and threw one at him but missed. Then I ran to the
car and got in.
Pretty soon we were on our way again. The road was really icy and my
mom was nervous.
"Slow down a little, please! Dear, maybe we shouldn't go too far in."
But my dad knew what he was doing.
"Calm down. Everything is fine. The chains are working great." So we
drove for miles. I was amazed that there weren't any other cars, but the
snow was even more fascinating. Once inside the car the snow didn't look so
bad.
I soon forgot my hands and feet had been frozen and was again eager to get
outside. Eventually we stopped.
"Let's get a real big one!" The cold wasn't so bad anymore. My mom
had given me mittens. I tried making a snowball with the intention of
throwing it my brother, but the snow just stuck to the mitten and then
started melting. Then my hands started getting cold again so I gave up on
trying to make snowballs.
"How about that one over there?" My mom had finally gotten out of the
car. "It looks nice and full!"
"Nooooo. It's tooo short." My brothers were with me on this one. It
had to be tall.
"Here's the perfect tree!"
"But look. It's bare on this side."
"over here! How about this one?"
"Tha's not full enough. It looks like a twig!" The whole family was
getting into this now. We were going to find the perfect tree if it took
all day. Then it started snowing.
"We'd better find one soon or we're gonna get snowed in here!" This
meant that unless we made up our minds soon dad was going to just pick one
and go. He never did care for being too picky about things like this. He
said there was no perfect tree. But I knew there was.
I wandered off a little way down a hill. Everywhere I looked were pine
trees, except that to me they were Christmas trees. The falling snow made
everything seem magical and alive.
Soon the branches were lightly dusted in white and when you shook them snow
would fly all over you. Christmas was looking better and better. My family
kept exclaiming, "Oh, here we go!" or "This is it!" but then someone would
always find something wrong with it.
"In five minutes I'm picking the tree nearest me and cutting it down!"
Both my parents were getting very impatient.
"Over here!" Perhaps perfection is only in the eyes of the beholder.
If so the whole family saw this one the way I did. It just sort of stepped
out in front of me as I was looking around. I knew this was it.
"Oh look! It has a perfect top for the angel!" Mom had inherited the
angel from her mom so this was very important.
"Good eye son." My dad didn't often say things like that. Even though
it was very cold outside I felt warm and proud inside. My brothers hadn't
ever fond the perfect Christmas tree before, though it seemed more like this
one found me. It was tall and full with a good long stem at the bottom. It
would fit just right in the corner of the living room.
We all helped in cutting it down, except mom who kept telling us to be
careful. It really wasn't very hard. Even my dad was a bit surprised. It
was almost as if the tree were helping us. Not that I thought about it at
the time. I just kept feeling warm.
Soon we had taken the tree to the car, us four boys carrying it. Dad
said that was why he had four sons -- to do the heavy labor. It was a good
time.
We had to tie the tree up on the top of the car. It was funny driving down
the road with one end of the tree ponting out over the front of the car and
the other end of the tree sticking out behind. I thought maybe if we got up
enough speed we could fly with the tree. I had always wanted to fly.
"O.K. boys. Time for you to get to bed now." We got home very late
that night. I slept most of the way anyway.
"Don't forget to wash up and say your prayers!" Every night mom said
the same thing. I didn't wash up that night, but as I was drifting off to
sleep again I said a little prayer.
"Thank you God..."
The next evening we decorated.
"A little to the left...there. No. Wait... It's leaning forward a
bit... Back to the right now... My right! There you go. Perfect!" My
mom was very emphatic when it came to getting the tree to stand exactly
straight. She said if it wasn't straight it might fall over and crush our
presents, so that made me emphatic too.
"It looks naked." My brother was right. In the forest it looked
perfect. In our house it looked naked. It wasn't "A Christmas Tree" quite
yet.
First my dad and older brother wound the lights around it. I always
wanted to help but I was too short.
"O.K. I'm going to put the icicles on now. Why don't you boys put the
other decorations up around the house." That was the first time my mom ever
put icicles on our tree.
On the artificail tree we didn't use icicles they were too hard to take off.
She took a long time. One by one she put the icicles on. I always thought
she would throw them all around the tree, but mom said it looked much better
this way and she didn't care how long it took. She was right too. SOmeday
I'll teach my kids that. Take your time and do things right. That way
things turn out better. Every year after that mom put the icicles on.
"Can we have some cookies?" These weren't any cookies. These were our
special homemade cookies that we made every year at Christmas time. We made
so many that the whole family pitched in. It was an old Polish recipe and
we called them Machine cookies because you put the dough in this hand
cranking machine that would crank out the dough in a thick rope that we
would then design into different shapes. They were light and delicious and
neither we nor the people who we gave them to ever got tired of them.
"O.K. You boys can put up the bulbs on now." The tree was looking
better and better!"
"Be careful now. Here are some new hooks if anyone needs some." Many
of the bulbs and ornaments were very old, having belonged to my
grandparents. Every year a few more accidentally broke and were replaced
with new ones. But we always had plenty.
"Put some more over here guys."
"Mom, where's the one I made in school?... Oh here it is."
"I can't reach up there. Can someone put this star over there for me?
Thanks!"
"Where should I put the candy canes?"
"We need some more on this side."
"Let me have one!"
With all four of us working it didn't take long. Then my parents would
point out where it was lopsided with too many ornaments in one spot and we
try and better spread them out.
"Can I put the angel up this year, dad?" I guess my oldest brother
figured he was getting big enough to do that now.
"sure son. Go get the stepladder to do that now.DDDDDDDDDDDD
"Just be very careful with that now." Mom was biting her nails. It
really was a pretty angel. It had silver wings and a candle that lit up
when you plugged her in.
"I can do it! Don't worry. Here goes... Could you hold me so I don't
fall, dad? Thanks. I think I can reach it... There! Is it straight?"
"turn it a little towards you."
"How's that?:"
"Perfect!"
"Can we plug the light in now?!" This was my favorite part of all.
"O.K. Let's see how it looks."
"Wait! First we have to turn out the room ligts." If you are going to
do it, you might as well do it right. I didn't want to miss the full
effect.
"O.K. Here goes!"
"Wowwwwwwww!"
"Neato!"
"Isn't it beautiful!"
"Let's turn on Christmas music!" Mom chose a record and put it on.
',,, Oh Christmas Tree, Oh Christmas Tree, How Lovely are your
branches!...'
It was a perfect tree. I used to get up in the middle of the night,
when everyone else was asleep, and go sit by the tree. I would plug in the
lights after making sure every other light in the house was off. I would
put on a Christmas record ever so softly and then just sit there and watch
the lights blink on and off in all different colors through the icicles.
Sometimes I would sit there for hours. Sometimes I would talk to God. I
would stare at the figure of baby Jesus in the manger below the tree. All
while the Christmas songs would play over and over, telling stories about
how Jesus came, about the star and the shepards, the Little Drummer Boy, and
how the angels came to visit Mary... Sometimes tears would form in my eyes
and I didn't know why. I felt so peaceful, so loved... No one ever knew
that I did this, until just now...
On Christmas morning my brothers and I would get up very early. Usually
whoever got up first would wake the others up. Then we would go in and see
the tree and the presents. I would turn on the lights and one of my
brothers would turn on the music. Everyone would shake the boxes and figure
out what was in them. We had to wait for mom and dad to get up before we
opened anything, but we could look in our stockings.
As my brothers got older they started sleeping later and later on
Christmas morning. I would get up at four o'clock and they would tell me to
wake them up later.
Even after Christmas day I would get up at night sometimes just to
watch the tree. It looked and felt so right, so peaceful. I never wanted
Christmas to end...
"Well, it's about that time." It was two weeks after Christmas
and my dad had been hinting at this for a week now, saying things
like, "Tree's getting kind of dry, huh?" and "The needles are starting
to fall off..." I kept pretending not to hear, but finally the day
came, as I knew it would. We went out to the garage and got the boxes
for the decorations.
"Remember to be careful with the bulbs!"
"Take the angel down first!" There was no Christmas music now.
Christmas was over.
"Dad?:"
"What?"
"What are we gonna do with this tree?" If he was going to take it back
to the forest I wanted to go with him.
"Well, the tree is dead son. We're going to put it out for the garbage
men to take."
My eyes began to water but I held the tears back. I felt empty
inside. My brothers finished packing everything and then my dad took the
tree, with the icicles still on it, out to the front sidewalk and put it next
to the garbage cans. He left a trail of icicles in the lawn which you could
still see traces of weeks afterward. That night I went out to visit the
tree. It looked naked.
"I'm sorry." My eyes started to water again and I let the tears fall
this time. I touched one of the branches a long green needle came off in my
hand... "Thank you for being our tree..." I felt so guilty. I felt like
this tree had given us so much joy! It had given a place for Santa to put
the presents, a place for Jesus to lie in a manger. It had been a friend to
me so many nights. And this was how we thanked it.
"I'll never forget you..." I clutched the pine needle in my hand... A
couple of weeks ago I opened my Bible to read about the crucifixation of
Jesus, and I found the needle there. At first I was going to throw it away,
thinking that I was too old to be holding on to things like this. But I was
about to drop it in the garbage I noticed it was till green...
The next morning the tree was gone.
We never went back to the forest to get a tree. The next year someone
started selling real trees from an empty lot up the street, and pretty soon
all over town people were selling real trees from empty lots. It was
quicker and easier to get one of these so we did. It really wasn't a bad
compromise either. Somehow we always managed to find the perfect tree.
A few years later my parents got divorced. We stopped making machine
cookies and one, two, of my brothers went off to college. Eventually my
other brother moved out too. My mom decided the house was too big for just
the two of us so we moved into an appartment.
For the last couple of years it was usually just mom and I who
decorated our tree at Christmas time, though occasionally a brother
would drop in and help. To this day I still sit up late at night during
Christmas and watch the tree's lights blink on and off in all different
colors through the carefully and lovingly placed icicles. Sometimes as I
sit there I think about the way my family used to be. Sometimes I wish I
were still a kid. God, who doesn't? Sometimes I stare at the same figure
of the baby Jesus, and somehow I know that it's all worked out for the best.
All the while the Christmas songs play over and over. And after Christmas
I get a terrible, empty feeling inside when I see all the Christmas trees
piled next to the dumpster.
This year I"m away at college and I won't be able to be home to
decorate the tree... I guess mom will have to do it herself. Last night on
the phone she mentioned maybe getting a small artificial tree. I cried when
she hung up. I sure would miss the icicles...
This story was written by Thaddeus Semon. I hope you enjoy it. It got me
to thinking.
Message: 56186
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Religion
Subject: Today
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 00:32:24
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY HOLIDAY!!!!!!!
Or GOOD EVENING!!!!!!
Steven " The ATARI WILDCAT " Carls
Message: 56187
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Religion
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 01:28:10
Merry Christmas, everybody! Thanks for posting the story, Steve, even if I
did have to autodial for a long time to get on.
Message: 56188
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: today
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 01:56:32
Merry Cliffmas!
Message: 56189
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last few/BUNCH!
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 02:34:51
Nice story Steve.... Thank you Nick!
Merry Christmas to all... and Happy Hollidays to the rest...
God Bless you all!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 56190
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 08:49:00
Fa la la la la la la la la.
Message: 56191
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: JT
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 09:30:51
What kind of medical problem? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56192
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/false stuff
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 09:32:54
The only false stuff on me is my sculptured fingernails and they are over my
real nails. I need no other help thank you.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56193
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau Dog
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 09:36:15
Of course I wear perfume and make-up. I just object to them coming out with
more and more of the same each year. We do not need it unless it is a real
brake through - such as a new cream that will make me look like a young Liz
Taylor! Hahahahaha. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56194
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean/#56170
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 09:39:06
Were you in the same hospital as JT was? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56195
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Toady
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 10:12:58
Merry Christmas and a Happy ne year!!!!
Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho!!!!!!!!!
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Message: 56196
Author: Mark Dillon
Category: Joke
Subject: people
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 11:02:33
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Message: 56197
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 15:51:29
A fundamental reason for the great successes achieved in
"brainwashing under freedom" is that the essential premises
of the state terrorists are widely shared, even among their
most ardent critics within the mainstream; as Jonathan Steele
puts it more harshly, the problem is that "journalists share
the same narrow, ignorant assumptions as the policy-makers."
To make one example, consider the *Boston Globe*, perhaps the
most consistent critic of Reagan's thuggery in Nicaragua, as
they correctly describe it. Randolph Ruan of the *Globe*
staff, the most outspoken of these critics, writes that
critics have so far failed because they have not succeeded in
putting forth their belief that "America's strength grows
from the force of its moral example." Adopting the
terminology of Kissinger and others, he writes that in
1980-81 "there was an impression that the revolutionary left
was on a roll in Central America. The administration
correctly saw that infectious spirit as a 'virus' that had to
be stopped." But now Nicaragua is "no longer a subversive
'virus'" and has become just an opportunity to win a cheap
victory.
Illustrated here are some of the essential contributions
of the critics to reinforcing state terror. First, we have
the reference to "the force of ((America's)) moral example,"
as if history demonstrates any such truth. Second, the
absurd Administration claim that the attack on Nicaragua
was motivated by its alleged role in arming the guerrillas
in El Salvador is accepted; and more important, it is
explicitly assumed that if Nicaragua were indeed providing
arms to people being massacred by US clients, then this
crime would merit retribution - just as writers in *Pravda*
no doubt thunder about the crimes of Pakistan and the US in
aiding the feudal "bandits" who are "terrorizing"
Afghanistan. But most important is the shared belief that
the "infectious virus" must be stopped, by force if
necessary. The "virus," of course, was never the flow of
arms to El Salvador, but rather the threat of successful
independent development, under the principles of the rotten
apple theory. And if this doctrine is accepted, then the
Administration has a strong case. Evidently this danger has
not been averted, so there is every reason, on the premises
that Ryan and Reagan share, to continue the "low intensity
war" to ensure suffering, discontent, inability to develop any
contructive programs, and the rise to power of the harshest
elements, who will be dependent on the Soviet bloc, thus
providing retrospective justification for the attack.
Message: 56199
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 16:15:30
Don't you think it's in rather poor taste to interrogate me about my health
on a public system? Medical problems are very personal, and many of them
can be embarrassing or worse. If you feel you know me well enough to be
inquiring about my health, you ought at least to have the courtesy to do so
privately.
Message: 56200
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B Dog
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 17:49:27
Re: "I can still speak and understand Esperanto."
I thought Esperanto was a dead language? Ha! Ha!
Message: 56201
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 17:51:31
Great art work Ann!
Message: 56203
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Thornburg
Date: 12/25/88 Time: 23:25:00
Esperanto is alive and well, having made it past 100 years of age.
Message: 56204
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann #56156/56193
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 01:40:23
I see.....you wear makeup but object to them coming out with more each year.
Since your animals have already been tortured (your opinion) to make your
perfume, it's time to stop.
Ann, I've grown up around animals all of my life. I was raised on a farm,
so am experienced animals. And except for endangered species, I see nothing
wrong with using animals to make a humans life better. There are millions
of dogs/cats put to sleep everyday, there are billions of rabbits that are
over-running parts of Australia....so these animals are not on any
endangered species list.
While I don't advocate cruelty in these experiments, I do advocate doing
whatever is necessary. Also, cruelty to 'Bloom County' might not be cruelty
to me...or many others. I won't run up on a side-walk to hit a dog/cat (but
I do have a cousin that will), but I won't wreck my car and/or endanger the
lifes of the people in my car trying to dodge one either.
BTW, they don't kill/torture animals to make perfume, so that women can wear
it, to make *me* happy. I dislike 99.9% of all perfumes on the market. As
a matter of fact, many of them make me physically ill. I'd prefer that a
woman wear no perfume and just smell freshly washed.
Message: 56205
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 02:18:58
Personally, I get far more enjoyment out of torturing an animal (human or
otherwise) when it's wearing my favorite fragrance. Internal organs are just
too smelly otherwise.
Message: 56206
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto/Hospital
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 09:29:26
Prostate?
Message: 56207
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lloyd/animals
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 10:01:26
For the most part I do agree with your post. Here is one of the things I
object to re: test animals: -- I.E. a well known detergent for cleaning
clothes had been on the market for years - the company feels it's not doing
as well as it should so in order to boost sales of said product, they want
to add a new ingredient so that they can advertize it as 'New and Improved'
etc. etc. 99% of the time it does nothing to make that product clean clothes
better - but it does boost the sales. Thousands of animals must die for
this. This is NOT helping mankind! - It's a matter of money.
Re: your statement about being experienced because you were raised on a farm
- I was raised in a huge city and I doubt that any farm boy would know
anything more about animals than I do! In fact, I know many, many people
that live on farms or ranches and find them the most cruel of all.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56208
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Question?
Subject: Taranto
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 14:41:15
Acne ?
Message: 56209
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 19:41:50
Would you believe, AIDS-Related Complex?
Message: 56210
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 20:30:33
As was true during the war against South Vietnam, then all
of Indochina, the contribution of mainstream critics to
entrenching the doctrines of the state religion is a crucial
one, which is why they are tolerated, indeed honored for
their courage and decency.
The irrelevance of government claims about the war against
Nicaragua is evident from the way the motivation shifts as
circumstances demand. At one point, the attack was justified
by the need to prevent arms flow to El Salvador. By 1983, no
significant arms flow having been detected despite massive
efforts, the aim was to "bring the Sandinistas to the
bargaining table" and force them to hold elections. In June
1984, the President told Congress that US aid to the
*contras* must continue to pressure the Sandinistas to
negotiate; unless we do, he said, "a regional settlement
based on the Contadora principles will continue to elude us."
A few months later, elections had been held, the Sandinistas
had accepted the Contadora principles causing the
Administration to discover suddenly that they were a sham and
a fraud, and they were continuing to request negotiations
that the US refuses. So the argument shifted again: we read
in the news columns that "the Reagan Administration has
demanded that Nicaragua demilitarize, reduce its ties with
the Soviet Union and Cuba and change its form of government
to a pluralistic democracy." A moment's thought suffices to
show that the best way to bring Nicaragua to demilitarize and
cut its ties with the Soviet bloc would be to accept the
Contadora agreements blocked by US pressure and to call off
the war, and that the commitment of the Reagan
Administration, or its predecessors, to "pluralistic
democracy" in Central America is as believable as the Soviet
commitment to "socialism" or "democracy" in its domains. But
this drivel, for that is what it is, is blandly reported as
"news" in the nation's press. Nothing could be more plain
than the absurdity of the whole game, in which the media play
their assigned role, earnestly reporting each pretense and
occasionally commenting on the weakness of the argument or
the "inconsistency" of the highly consistent and rational
policy.
Message: 56212
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 12/26/88 Time: 21:10:46
No, but I might believe a tubule ligation.
Message: 56213
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Steven/Christmas Sto
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 02:12:23
Steven, I really enjoyed the story you posted. Thanks for posting it.
<<< Joe >>>
Message: 56214
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Answer!
Subject: Christmas Story
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 14:20:33
I am so glad that most of you liked the Christmas Story that I posted. I
will tell the writer that it was appreciated, EH??? I am sorry if I made it
hard for you fellow users to get on while I was typing that story. It is 15
typed pages long, EH??? Thanks for the comments and have a GREAT NEW Year
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 56215
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/27/88 Time: 17:12:53
The real reasons for the "lust" to destroy the Sandinista
regime have nothing to do with the charges that are raised,
whether valid or simply concocted. That is obvious enough.
The real reasons can readily be explained on other grounds:
by fear of Nicaraguan success. The Oxfam report on
Sandinista social successes inspires real fear; useless tanks
do not. The real reasons are based on the argument that
President Wilson regarded as "unanswerable": the interests of
the people of Latin America are "an incident, not an end."
What is paramount is a narrowly conceived American interest:
"The protection of our raw materials," the Fifth Freedom. We
must therefore become deeply concerned when some group
becomes infected by the heresy detected by US intelligence:
"the idea that the government has direct responsibility for
the welfare of the people," what US political theology calls
"Communism" in our Third World domains, whatever the
commitments of its advocates.
In the real world, as we shall see in more detail directly,
the US has consistently opposed "human rights, the raising of
the living standards, and democratization," using harsh
measures where necessary. These policies are natural
concomitants of the geopolitical conceptions that have
motivated planning and that are deeply rooted in American
institutions. It is not surprising, for example, that the US
should react with extraordinary hostility to democracy in
Laos or should overthrow the only democratic government in
the history of Guatemala, keeping in power a series of mass
murderers ever since. It is familiar to students of US
policy that "while paying lip-service to the encouragement of
representative democracy in Latin America, the United States
has a strong interest in just the reverse," apart from
"procedural democracy, especially the holding of elections -
which only too often have proved farcical." The reason is
that democracies may tend to be responsive to popular needs,
while "the United States has been concerned with fostering
the most favourable conditions for her private overseas
investment":
...United States concern for representative democracy in
Latin America is a facet of her anti-communist policy.
There has been no serious question of her intervening in
the case of the many right-wing military coups, from
which, of course, this policy has generally benefited.
It is only when her own concept of democracy, closely
identified with private, capitalistic enterprise, is
threatened by communism ((or to be more accurate, by
independent development, whether capitalist, socialist,
or whatever)) that she has felt impelled to demand
collective action to defend it.
It is only when some form of democracy contributes to
maintaining the Fifth Freedom that the US will tolerate it;
otherwise, terror-and-torture states will have to do.
From these real world considerations, one can come to
understand the "lust" to strike out against Nicaragua - or
Allende, or Cuba, or the National Liberation Front of South
Vietnam. It is not because of the abuses of human rights and
democratic principle, often real, sometimes despicable, but
rarely approaching what we tolerate with equanimity, directly
support, or carry out ourselves. Rather, US policy towards
Nicaragua is immediately predictable from the fact that the
priorities of the new government "meant that Nicaragua's poor
majority would have access to, and be the primary
beneficiaries of, public programs," the fact that infant
mortality fell so dramatically that Nicaragua won an award
from the World Health Organization for the best health
achievement in a Third World nation, health standards and
literacy sharply improved, a successful agrarian reform was
carried out, GDP expanded by 5% in 1983 in contrast to other
countries in the region, production and consumption of corn,
beans and rice rose dramatically and Nicaragua came closer to
self-sufficiency than any other Central American nation and
made the most impressive gains of any Latin American nation
in the Quality of Life Index of the Overseas Development
Council, based on literacy, infant mortality and life
expectancy. Burns comments that "Nicaragua should, in many
ways, stand as an example for Central America, not its
outcast. The grim social statistics from Honduras, a country
in which the population is literally starving to death, stand
in sharp contrast to the recent achievements of Nicaragua."
That is just the point; the infection must be stopped before
it spreads.
Similarly, the crime of the Allende government was that it
quickly raised production and real wages, conducted an
effective agrarian reform and such programs as milk
distribution for children, "measures that increased consumer
demand and permitted industry to take advantage of unutilized
capacity and idle labor," and worse, did so under
parliamentary democracy - though such dangerous progress
could not long persist as the Nixon-Kissinger destabilization
policy, designed to "make the economy scream," in Nixon's
words, had its effects, along with other factors.
Message: 56220
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Hospital
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 17:22:48
It was worse than that, I was in California.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 56221
Author: Mychele Nickels
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Animals
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 19:15:15
My only problem with killing animals seems to be with ones that are cute. I
have no problem eating hamburger because cows are too stupid and too ugly
for any ones good. But lamb meat? I really like the taste but they are too
cute an animal. When I think about the poor little lamby getting it's
throat cut, blood squirting all over it's white wool, it just for me, it's
ridiculous. But with cows, we also use their hide for leather and almost
all of their meat (and what we don't gets grinded into cat food, to help
feed cute kittens).
Unfortunately, I don't like steak or roast, just hamburgers.
---Mychele---
Message: 56222
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/28/88 Time: 22:42:20
What about venison?
Message: 56223
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David/last
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 07:11:18
She did forget venison - which that is one of the most cruel things they can
do to animals. She is right about them using ALL of a steer and if I'm not
mistaken, they also use all of sheep. I will admit I also have a hang up
about what I eat - I can't eat a duck! My mother-in-law has them every year
without fail and I cringe to even see them on the table. If she served them
with the beak attached I think I'd faint and never go back. Not that I think
it's more cruel to eat a duck than a chicken but little duckies are my
favorites of the animal kingdom. But then so are chickens, geese, steers,
pigs etc. etc. If I ever went to a slaughter house, I'd become a vegetarian
on the spot no matter how humane they killed them. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56224
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Dean/hospitals
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 07:11:39
Tell us about it. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56225
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Where the .....
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 07:13:37
.... heck is everybody? This should be a busy time on Apollo because a lot
of you are on vacation from school! Zakey baby? Pat?
Message: 56226
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: In search of
Subject: kerosene
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 09:09:08
Does anyone know a good place to get kerosene at? We need it for a
space heater.....
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 56227
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 56223/Ann
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 10:07:56
Venison cruel? I think you are thinking of veal.
Message: 56228
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 11:09:36
Oh, dear.
Message: 56229
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 15:50:41
Similarly, US policy towards Cuba is readily explained by
the Quality of Life Index of the Overseas Development
Council, which places Cuba well above any other Latin
American country and approximately equal to the US - actually
better than the US if we consider its more egalitarian
character, thus with lower infant morality rates than Chicago
and far lower rates than the Navajo reservation. Tom Farer
of the Rutgers Law School, member of the Inter-American
Commission on Human Rights of the OAS and former State
Department assistant for Inter-American Affairs, writes that:
...there is a consensus among scholars of a wide variety
of ideological positions that, on the level of life
expectancy, education, and health, Cuban achievement is
considerably greater than one would expect from its
level of per capita income. A recent study of 113 Third
World countries in terms of these basic indicators of
popular welfare ranked Cuba first, ahead even of
Taiwan - which is probably the outstanding example of
growth with equity within a capitalist economic
framework. Data in the 1981 World Development Report of
the International Bank for Reconstruction and
Development also support the consensus. Cuba excelled
according to all main indicators of human needs
satisfaction... What has changed remarkably is not so
much the gross indicators as those that reflect the
changed conditions of the poor, particularly the rural
poor. In 1958, for example, the one rural hospital in
the entire country represented about 2 percent of the
hospital facilities in Cuba; by 1982 there were 117
hospitals, or about 35 percent of all hospitals in Cuba.
Furthermore, polio and malaria have been eliminated, and
the causes of death have shifted from those associated with
underdevelopment (diseases of early infancy, etc.) to those
of the developed world (congenital abnormalities, diabetes,
etc.). These are the crimes for which Cuba must pay dearly;
the real ones are of little interest to policy makers, except
for their propaganda effect.
As for the NLF in South Vietnam, its crime was explained
ruefully by the bitterly anti-Communist journalist Denis
Warner: "in hundreds of villages all over South-East Asia the
only people working at the grass roots for an uplift in
people's living standards are the Communists," the reason for
the popular support that forced the US to resort to violence
and to undermine any political settlement.
Those who set their priorities in this way are evidently
deficient in their understanding of US needs and priorities.
They have therefore joined the "monolithic and ruthless
conspiracy," and must be driven into the hands of the Russians
and subjected to aggression, terror, embargo and other means,
in accord with their status as "an incident, not an end."
End of Chapter 2
Message: 56232
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 20:00:22
Anyone that would eat a relative of Bambi has got to have a perverted mind!
Message: 56233
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kerosene
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 21:54:23
Hm, check with BEST Products. I believe they sell bottles of it. Or is that
propane. Probably propane. Check with Standard Brands. Or Home Depot.
Message: 56234
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cows
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:06:12
I know a lot of cows that have a higher IQ than some humans. Some of them
are cuter, too.
Message: 56235
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Me
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:15:53
I'm back in San Diego.
Message: 56236
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: You
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:21:42
Jerk. You didn't do anything GTish while you were here.
Recall Rose!
Message: 56237
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff / Kerosene
Date: 12/29/88 Time: 22:34:00
The best place price wise and availability wise is a place down on
40th street and just south of Van Buren on the east side of the street.
You really can't miss them as they have a huge propane storage facility
there and lots of 55 gallon drums out front.
Last time we purchased Kero there ( about two months ago) it was still
$2.65 a gallon.
-Mike
Message: 56238
Author: Michael Powers
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on animals
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 05:17:35
That's not the point. And she's not alone in her views. . .
Message: 56239
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/kerosene
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 06:12:40
Have you tried your local friendly hardware store? Many of them carry the
stuff, or at least used to.
Message: 56240
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim/venison
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 07:02:00
Your right - I was thinking of veal. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56241
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/Bambi
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 07:05:14
I've been acused many times of having the 'Bambi Syndrom'! -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. Anyone that would eat a relative of Donald Duck has a perverted mind.
Anyone eating a relative of Mickey Mouse is sicko.
Message: 56242
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/karosene
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 07:08:54
Whitey said to tell you to call 6 Points Hardware on 19th ave. just south of
Peoria - they might have it - also Home depot. -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. Make sure that heater is well ventilated - they can be dangerous.
Message: 56243
Author: Donald Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: THE OPEN DOOR
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 14:44:02
Have You Tried THE OPEN DOOR Yet !!!!!!!
Well What Are You Waiting For
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Message: 56244
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: KOYAANISQATSI
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 16:22:24
ko-yaa-nis-qatsi (from the Hopi language) n. 1. crazy life.
2. life in turmoil. 3. life out of balance. 4. life
disintegrating. 5. a state of life that calls for another way
of living.
Translation of the Hopi Prophesies sung in the film
Koyaanisqatsi:
"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite
disaster."
"Near the Day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun
back and forth in the sky."
"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky,
which would burn the land and boil the oceans."
Message: 56245
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/California
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:29:27
I spent a week and a half learning to work on one of our new computer
systems and then helped install two of them at the Huntington Beach Police
Department.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 56246
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:32:55
So killing calves is particularly cruel, but killing babies is OK?
Message: 56247
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 21:33:35
Well, my view is that it's OK to kill ugly people. And I would gather that
you agree.
Message: 56248
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Apollo Tips & Tricks
Subject: cmd in ain
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 22:00:50
The cmd can help you find where to go for service/product.
In the ain menu enter and hit return.... If you then hit an <*>
it will list all the merchants that have advertizement
space in the cmd..
If you wish to search for a particular item or service....type that in, but
be short as possible in order for it to find your search string. If you
want a 'DENTIST'...just type that in... if you want 'Video'.. etc.
If you typed in 'GUN', you would get three merchants currently listed with
Apollo that have something to do with GUNs... One is the "United States
Marksmanship Academy", and then there is "Phoenix Arms" (Good prices on
reloads and other gun supplies, including Guns), and finely "Dillon
Precision" manufacturers of loading equipment. (like we use)
If you do go to any of these people, please tell them Apollo BBS and
Cliff sent you.
If you would like an advertisment on Apollo, give me a call.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 56249
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: quote for the day
Date: 12/30/88 Time: 23:21:51
In today's Arizona Republic, from city councilman Paul Johnson: "I used to
see prostitution as a victimless crime, but I learned that prostitutes have
been beaten or (customers [you know he said 'johns']) shot with hypodermic
needles so that they can be knocked out to be robbed."
Notice that the clause following "but" provides no support for the
implied assertion that prostitution is not a victimless crime. He might
well have said "I used to see sales as a victimless crime, but I learned
that shopkeepers have been robbed or customers ripped off."
But of course, this is the same guy who recently forced a plumbing
business on north Central (that's been there for about as long as my parents
have lived in their house in the area, about 17 years) to move because his
outdoor plumbing displays are "unsightly." (Actually, the city wants the
land to be developed for something more lucrative.)
Message: 56250
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Just wanta say
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 01:35:57
I *WISH YOU ALL* a very happy and wonderful New Year!
And Steve, thanks so much for that story - I loved it - is the writer a
friend of yours, or what? MUCHO Talent, there. JT had better watch out.
Thanks Cliff for a great '88.
Thanks Dean for a great computer bargain.
Thanks Jimi for being you.
Thanks Ann, for being Ann
Thanks Rod, for becoming a Christian.
Thanks to the rest of you for bothering to read this!
Carol->
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Message: 56251
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard/last
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 06:10:26
Paul Johnson, in my humble opinion, is a master liar, among other things.
I talked to him personally to protest using any tax dollars to build Jerry
Colangelo a downtown stadium for his Phoenix Suns, and stated several very
valid reasons for my protest. He assured me that he felt the same way I did,
and would do everything to protect the rights of the taxpayers in this city.
The very SAME DAY the Phx. Gazoo broke the story that the council had voted
unanimously to enter into exclusive negotiations with Colangelo for a
downtown stadium!
What a jerk! And to think that I voted for him! Oh well. Live and learn.
Message: 56252
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol/last
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 06:12:50
"Thanks Rod, for becoming a Christian."
You sond like Abraham. Remember, the guy who called that which was not as
though it were?
Message: 56253
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Taranto
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 07:33:29
Where did I ever say killing babies was alright? If you are talking about
the abortion issue - that is not killing babies! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56254
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Too all
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 07:45:54
Have a Happy New Years one and all. See you all next year. -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. Don't drink and drive!
Message: 56255
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: 88 to 89
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 08:44:10
Shudder.... another year is about to leave us. I shudder at the
thought that soon we will be in the 1990's in one short (and they seem to
get shorter) year. But I smile at all the great friends that Sandy and I
have from this BBS. We look forward to the New Year with new hopes, and I
hope you all will be with us next year. Last year (1988) saw the closing of
my computer store of 7 years, and there were some very rough times that
followed. The New Year looks brighter (can't get any dimmer than this I
suppose) so lets march onward......
I hope some of you users quickly renew $tatus here... we seem about
to lose a few.
HAPPY NEW YEAR from the SYSOPs' of Apollo!
1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989
bye bye 1988
Message: 56256
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 10:21:44
You said that even if abortion is murder, it is OK with you.
Message: 56257
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 56251/Paul S.
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 12:07:29
The article in the Republic made it sound like Johnson is trying to get
himself publicity in taking on various "jobs for a day" because he wants to
be our next mayor.
Message: 56258
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Cosmology
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 14:39:04
From A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME by Stephen W. Hawking:
If the universe is indeed spatially infinite, or if there
are infinitely many universes, there would probably be some
large regions somewhere that started out in a smooth and
uniform manner. It is a bit like the well-known horde of
monkeys hammering away on typewriters - most of what they
write will be garbage, but very occasionally by pure chance
they will type out one of Shakespeare's sonnets. Similarly,
in the case of the universe, could it be that we are living
in a region that just happens by chance to be smooth and
uniform? At first sight this might seem very improbable,
because such smooth regions would be heavily outnumbered by
chaotic and irregular regions. However, suppose that only in
the smooth regions were galaxies and stars formed and were
conditions right for the development of complicated
self-replicating organisms like ourselves who were capable of
asking the question: Why is the universe so smooth? This is
an example of the application of what is known as the
anthropic principle, which can be paraphrased as "We see the
universe the way it is because we exist."
There are two versions of the anthropic principle, the
weak and the strong. The weak anthropic principle states
that in a universe that is large or infinite in space and/or
time, the conditions necessary for the development of
intelligent life will be met only in certain regions that
are limited in space and time. The intelligent beings in
these regions should therefore not be surprised if they
observe that their locality in the universe satisfies the
conditions that are necessary for their existence. It is a
bit like a rich person living in a wealthy neighborhood not
seeing any poverty.
continued ...
Message: 56260
Author: Mychele Nickels
Category: Answer!
Subject: Abortion, Veal, etc.
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 15:08:15
I think that killing even a retarded person is worst than killing most
animals. I say most because it might be that dolphins or apes are more
intelligent than some retarded persons.
I don't think that I should be able to say that killing some animals or
humans is "ok". I was just trying to point out that it is hard to
rationalize any killing of any animal. I happen to base it on intelligence
(and I used cuteness but you MUST know I wasn't making a serious arguement).
But I don't think there is "one truth" on this issue.
Message: 56261
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol G
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 15:47:37
Re: "Thanks Rod, for becoming a Christian."
Huh? Did I miss something?
Message: 56262
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul Johnson
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 15:49:11
Is he the guy that owns the car garage on 35th Ave?
Message: 56263
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 15:50:36
Re: "Where did I ever say killing babies was alright? If you are talking
about
the abortion issue - that is not killing babies!"
Huh? Did I miss something?
Message: 56264
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nickels
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 15:54:55
Re: "I was just trying to point out that it is hard to
rationalize any killing of any animal."
Are you a vegetarian? Isn't it ok to kill an animal for food? If I had to
choose between killing a cow and starving, where's the sledge hammer?
To anyone:
Do they still kill cows with sledge hammers?
Message: 56265
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mychele
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 23:05:37
Hi...long time no see!
Have a great New Year
Message: 56266
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 23:09:00
I'm sorry...it was my poor attempt at humor, though I wish it were
true........have a rainbow year anyways! You and I never did list how *we*
could improve this old world, did we? My intentions were good, but I guess
that I am limited to the sphere in which I operate (a radius of about 1/4
mile + BBSing). But if EVERYONE would try in their own 1/4 mile radius
something would happen, huh? I didn't mean that I have any effect in my
little radius, I just meant that I can't handle the rest of the world, for
sure, so that's where I should begin.
Shalom->
Message: 56267
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Quote of the Year...
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 23:21:06
" Where did I ever say killing babies was alright? If you are talking about
the abortion issue - that is not killing babies!"
-Ann Oudin, Dec 31 1988
Message: 56268
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/31/88 Time: 23:23:28
So, Ann, please enlighten us what you would call the practice of taking
a surgical hook and ripping apart the growing baby inside of the mother's
womb?
Trash disposal?
what do you call the infant inside?
A parasite ?
It figures that you wouldn't consider a fetus to be human. AFter all,
you and Rod both think alike.
-Mike
Message: 56269
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: 1989
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 00:08:47
Happy New Year.... Well, you made it!
133008 callers to date. The Post Office has delivered 40755 letters since
the installation of the hard drive (Version 7.0).
Amazing.... The Clock on Apollo worked... got the year right and
everything!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 56270
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: News Today
Subject: New Year
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 00:33:28
I guess it is predictable to do so, well anyway...
Happy New Year!!!
I hope everyone has a safe, healthy, and productive NEW YEAR!!!
And best of luck to the Fighting Irish in the Fieasta Bowl, which I will be
attending!!!
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 56271
Author: Chris Neal
Category: Question?
Subject: My $TATU$
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 03:43:56
Kinda wierd that my $tatu$ expired on new years day? Hmmmm...
Hmmmmm...
Hmmmmm...
Hmmmmm...
Interesting.....
Chris
Message: 56272
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann/life rights
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 04:44:12
Ann, do you know what veal is? It is the meat of an unborn calf.
They get this meat by the abortion of a cow's pregancy(sp). I know you think
that this is terrible. But what I don't understand is why you think the
abortion of human pregancy(sp) is not wrong.
<<< Joe >>>
Message: 56273
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 56527/Jim L.
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 05:20:37
I just hope that when these issues come up that give our tax dollars to
people like Jerry Colangelo for what should be private investments, we can
get enough signatures from people who care to force a referendum.
Personally, I couldn't care less about the Phoenix Suns (or the Cardinals
for that matter), and I want a vote before a thin dime of my money buys
either Colangelo or Bidwell a new toy. If either of them want a new house
for their profiteering, let them build it!
Message: 56274
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob/Pauljohnson
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 05:25:26
No. That is Paul J.P.Johnson, a man who has been established in business at
that location for many years.
Paul Johnson, the city councilman is a very young man who seems to speak to
whatever someone wants to hear. At the moment.
I don't know whether there is any relation, but I do know that the garage at
least used to be an honest and efficient one. The councilman leaves a lot of
room for doubt on both issues.
Message: 56275
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Happy New Year!
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 05:29:16
To all my friends (and others too!) a very happy and blessed 1989.
Message: 56276
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: News Today
Subject: Time
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 07:49:37
Today is just another day.
Another revolution around the sun. We're back where we started from last
year.
Earth is spinning in circles.
Prices went up.
City employees now get 8 hours of vacation time per month instead of 7.
The IRS will start handing out audit slips.
Whomever won the lottery last night probably doesn't know it yet and wont
until their hangover fades away.
Your '88 vehicle just became last years model.
You will work for the U.S. Government from now until the middle of March.
Most of us it will be to the end of July.
The Atmosphere, water and ground will suffer even more dammage this year.
And Rod williams will still say that God doesn't exist.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
- Mike
Message: 56277
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:22:22
That's right - I did say that and still mean it - but I do not believe it is
murder. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56279
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mychele/killing
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:27:05
You said it right - there isn't 'One Truth' re: animals and abortions. It's
a matter of personal opinions. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56280
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob/abortion
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:31:45
Yeah - you missed it. We had a VERY heated discussion about 6 months ago on
abortion. Maybe you lucked out missing it - it got pretty vicious. I finally
backed off because I was afraid of making enemies. I've been on Apollo for
over 1 1/2 years and don't remember another subject that got so heated up as
that one. I guess before I got on here, there was one on smoking that got
real fired up. (pardon the pun). -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56281
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob/sledge
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:32:46
I think they shoot them with rifles. Does anyone know for a fact what the
do? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56282
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Joe/calves
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:40:56
I do not believe that veal is unborn calf. I saw a TV show one time that
showed the calves in tight, small stalls in completely darken barns - they
are fed fortified food - kept quiet so they will gain - they are put there
at a young age and kept there for several months. But if what you say is
true, then that is certainly much less cruel as the calf dies immediately.
But I do not think we need veal - let the cattle at least have their
barnyard space before we use them. Same with chickens etc. etc.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56283
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/ abortion
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 09:44:21
Are you trying to start up that subject again? Why? It will have the same
ending as it did before. It is legal and if it isn't in the future, women
will still do it. Facts!!!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 56284
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Chris Neal
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 10:04:02
Your $tatus was up days ago, but the system always gives you to the
end of the month.... It was warning you that it was running out every time
you logged in this past month with a daily countdown.
Your $tatus profile is intact however...and if you make a quick
visit to me with the renewal fee, re-activation is a cinch without the loss
of any data in your file.
I do hope you renew.... you have been a good active member on here
for some time now.
Happy New Years!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 56285
Author: Walt Peters
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Help!
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 10:42:08
Would any good soul give me a call to explain how to use the .arc files?
Walt at 941-5050, many thanks!
Message: 56286
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 10:51:25
Well, then, you do believe that killing babies is OK, or at least you have
no objection to it in principle. (Although, I don't think you have much of
anything in principle.)
Message: 56287
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 10:51:46
According to a book I have, Jim Lippard is a kook.
Message: 56288
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: kook/last
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 10:57:37
No, he's either a true visionary or a crackpot -- but in either case, he's
definitely a spoilsport.
Message: 56289
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: veal
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 11:52:59
Veal does not come from cow abortions. It comes from calves raised in small
cages so that they don't get an exercise (in order to prevent their meat
from becoming tough). They are also raised on a special diet.
Message: 56290
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto/Dog
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 11:55:43
What JT is probably referring to, and Beau is certainly referring to, is
Rev. Ivan Stang's book _High Weirdness by Mail_ (1988, Fireside Books),
available at fine bookstores everywhere. I'm listed in there somewhere for
my pamphlet, _Fundamentalism is Nonsense_, which is given a strongly
positive review (I was pleasantly surprised by the superlatives used).
Message: 56291
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 15:36:56
Message: 56275
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Happy New Year!
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 05:29:16
To all my friends (and others too!) a very happy and blessed 1989.
Er, Paul, exactly what did you have in mind with that category of "sex"?
Hmmmmmm?
Boy, I bet that confuses a lot of people!
Message: 56292
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Shoot Out GT
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 15:41:40
I was disapointed I missed the Shoot Out GT (we did have one didn't we?).
When are we going to have another? I want to bring out my 3 boys so they
can see what adults do for fun. Sad to say I only own a BB gun. But, we
can still come can't we? Bang! Bang! Shoot em up!!
Message: 56293
Author: Chris Neal
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 15:50:03
I will renew it. I just thought it was kinda interesting that it happend to
expire at 12:59:59 on the 31st of December.... Now I know why.. Probably
be over today....
Chris
Message: 56294
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Cosmology
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 17:38:04
One example of the use of the weak anthropic principle is
to "explain" why the big bang occurred about ten thousand
million years ago - it takes about that long for intelligent
beings to evolve. As explained above, an early generation of
stars first had to form. These stars converted some of the
original hydrogen and helium into elements like carbon and
oxygen, out of which we are made. The stars then exploded as
supernovas, and their debris went to form other stars and
planets, among them those of our solar system, which is about
five thousand million years old. The first one or two
thousand million years of the earth's existence were too hot
for the development of anything complicated. The remaining
three thousand million years or so have been taken up by the
slow process of biological evolution, which has led from the
simplest organisms to beings who are capable of measuring
time back to the big bang.
Few people would quarrel with the validity or utility of
the weak anthropic principle. Some, however, go much further
and propose a strong version of the principle. According to
this theory, there are either many different universes or
many different regions of a single universe, each with its
own initial configuration and, perhaps, with its own set of
laws of science. In most of these universes the conditions
would not be right for the development of complicated
organisms; only in the few universes that are like ours would
intelligent beings develop and ask the question: "Why is the
universe the way we see it?" The answer is then simple: If
it had been different, we would not be here!
The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain
many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric
charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the
proton and the electron. We cannot, at the moment at least,
predict the values of these numbers from theory - we have to
find them by observation. It may be that one day we shall
discover a complete unified theory that predicts them all,
but it is also possible that some or all of them vary from
universe to universe or within a single universe. The
remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to
have been very finely adjusted to make possible the
development of life. For example if the electric charge of
the electron had been only slightly different, stars either
would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else
they would not have exploded. Of course, there might be
other forms of intelligent life, not dreamed of even by
writers of science fiction, that did not require the light of
a star like the sun or the heavier chemical elements that are
made in stars and are flung back into space when the stars
explode. Nevertheless, it seems clear that there are
relatively few ranges of values for the numbers that would
allow the development of any form of intelligent life. Most
sets of values would give rise to universes that, although
they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to
wonder at that beauty. One can take this either as evidence
of a divine purpose in Creation and the choice of the laws of
science or as support for the strong anthropic principle.
Message: 56297
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Thoughts for Today
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 18:48:16
Remember folks......it isn't how long ago you were made, it's how
many times you took off and landed.
God does not exist and I am NOT a Christian.
I don't see why people have their minds formatted in one year
blocks. Nothing is new and the planet earth is not in the same place that
it was in last winter. Yes, in relation to our sun we are basically in the
same spot but in relation to space, we left that place long ago, never to
return.
Rod
*=* Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board entered *=*
Williams, Rod
Message: 58
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last on Sorry
Date: 12/21/88 Time: 01:06:26
Don't feel sorry for me... Unlike you, I have a good feeling about
the future here on earth with Sandy and the after life.
I feel sorry for you because your outlook on life here and the here
after is so bleak. Nothing you post is cheery or even hopeful, and I find
it sad to see a fellow human in such a downtrodden mode all the time.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 59
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 01/01/89 Time: 18:49:21
You're sick!
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