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Message: 63474
Author: Bob Bell (Me!)
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Interesting
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 20:56:31
I find it so very interesting that whenever we read or hear of a murder or
other crime by the media that this little message is added:
Police are checking to see if it is drug related.
This is pure bullcrap. I am reminded of Hitler's Germany here. Just
substitute the word 'drug' for 'jew' and by golly, I think we've got it.
And all you people from San Diego, go home now!
Message: 63475
Author: Bob Bell
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: I like drugs
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 21:00:58
I LIKE DRUGS
by Bob Bell
Drugs are good and good for you.
I use some everyday.
I like to put them in me so I will feel high.
Drug suppositories are the best though.
The storm breaks the tree that does not bend.
A penny saved is a penny urned.
Message: 63476
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/Fish
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 22:18:26
The fish became a symbol of Christianity because the first letters of the
words...
Jesus
Christ
God's
Son
Savior
...in the Greek language spelled out "IKTHUS," which just happens to be the
Greek word for "fish." And we are also "fishers of men."
As for the dove, it symbolizes the Holy Spirit (remember the baptism of
Christ?) though you tend to see this symbol more around Pentecostals.
I don't mean to get picky, but this verbal "beating-down" of Christian
symbols sounds quite a bit like the Jehovah's Witnesses dislike for the
cross (because it was a pagan symbol...which makes sense when you figure
that many of the Greeks of that period WERE pagans).
A new symbol? How about an empty tomb?
Message: 63477
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Suicide
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 22:21:17
I can't believe this, I AGREE WITH YOU! Not only is it a selfish act, but a
deceptive one that offers what seems to be the ultimate act of revenge upon
the friends and relatives, but actually turns against them, as they cannot
live to relish their act of selfish revenge.
Message: 63478
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ralph - Eye For Eye
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 22:24:47
How does that make us any better than the person that we are punishing? And
since you wish to take the "eye for eye" to "it's limits," then what about
the person that serves the sentenced punishment - are they to be punished as
well, for they have committed the same crime. I'm just trying to see how far
your "limits" really are.
I feel that there are some criminals who deserve the death penalty, but that
does not mean that we have to stoop to their level of depravity in carrying
out their sentence. After all, there is not too much that one can do to
retalliate once dead.
Message: 63479
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim/63425
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 22:38:44
Jim, just because someone in the past (or present) who claims to be a Chris-
tian, does something wrong even though I have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT and NO
CONTROL OVER IT, does that make me responsible? Example: White people during
the early years of this country's existence brought African citizens to this
country against their will and forced them to work in inhumane conditions.
Does that make you, as a white American, responsible for that atrocity? I
can only live for God and myself. I cannot live for anyone else. If you do
not hold yourself personally responsible for the kidnapping and slavery of
blacks in the 1700s, then you can in no way attempt to hold me responsible
for others who, claiming to follow Christ, have committed numerous
horrible atrocities and slandered the name of the God they claimed to
follow. I cannot live their lives. I had no part in the Spanish Inquisition
and could not do anything to change it EVEN THOUGH I WOULD IF IT WERE
POSSIBLE. Even in the present: I am not Jim Bakker, I am not Jimmy Swaggart,
I do not support how they have abused their positions as servants of God. I
live my own life and try to let my love for my God show in my daily
activities. Are you going to try and hold me accountable for Swaggart's or
Bakker's transgressions?
Message: 63480
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard/63427
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 22:40:18
Suicide, properly carried out, cannot be prosecuted even if illegal. So what
is your beef?
[Please do not take this to be an endorsement on my part of suicide.]
Message: 63481
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ralph/Hole To Hell
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 22:58:37
First of all, you need to consider the source of the news article, and I
believe it was TASS. TASS, also reported a encounter with UFO beings. The
report tends to strip God of some of His omnipotence, as only He holds the
keys to death and Hades (Revelation 1:18). Also, the concept of Hell being
in the center of the earth (unless anyone can prove me wrong through
Scripture) is not Scriptural. They could not build a tower up to heaven, and
they cannot dig a hole into hell. Worry not.
Message: 63482
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Suicide Addendum
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 23:05:49
Yes, there are those who commit suicide out of loneliness and utter despair.
But even those are decieved, and of course I could go into detail, but I'm
sure you know where I am coming from. Suffice to say that it is not an
express route to eternal peace.
Message: 63483
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Question?
Subject: CLIFF
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 23:30:25
If you resent the gov't telling you to "Just say No to Drugs", why are
you supporting this gov't coercion by offering free 'Just Say No' discount
cards to anyone that want them? (message #63371). Why not toss 'em out and
JUST SAY NO to gov't coercion instead? Sounds like propagandizing blackmail
to me.
Message: 63484
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ZIPPY
Date: 02/19/90 Time: 23:32:05
In today's (Monday) Az Republic Life & Leisure, the Zippy comic featured
'Bob' Dobbs and the Church of the SubGenius.
First Moffin & his hollow earth theory and now this. What is this world
coming to?
Message: 63485
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike Middleton
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 00:25:28
Gosh! You knew both my pseudonyms! Should I be surprised, after Roger Mann
explicitly pointed them out to you? And stop being such a contemptible
hypocrite. I only started baiting you after you euphamistically refered to
me as "soft stuff" which you intended to avoid stepping in. Furthermore, I
think that you read my replies on the other board two days ago: that's when
they were posted. No doubt you thought you had a great argument, and you'd
chase me over here and embarass me with it. All of this, because you are
too dense to understand my original statement in the original context:
You made the remark that "All the Lord wants us to do is relax in His love,"
and I retorted that it's kind of hard to do that when you are in an
Argentine prison having your gonads shocked by a cattle prod. My point,
you metaphorically cross-eyed git, was NEVER that torture necessarily
destroys religious beliefs (it often intensifies them), but rather, IT'S
KIND OF HARD TO RELAX IN HIS LOVE WHEN YOU ARE IN AN ARGENTINE PRISON HAVING
YOUR GONADS SHOCKED BY A CATTLE PROD!!!
Now then, stop being so insufferably silly.
Message: 63486
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: In search of
Subject: New Age Humor
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 00:28:35
Q. What did one spirit entity say to another?
A. "Take my life -- please!"
Q. Why did the medium cross the road?
A. To get to the other side!
Q. What do you call a fortuneteller who's just had a baby?
A. A crystal packin' momma.
Q. What did the manager give the past-life regressionist?
A. A womb with a view.
Message: 63487
Author: Steve Hodode
Category: Joke
Subject: LANGUAGE
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 01:02:16
THE PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC'S DICTIONARY
.
ALIEN_NATION : MENTAL DERANGEMENT, INSANITY.
: A WITHDRAWING OR SEPERATION OF A PERSON OR HIS AFFECTION
FROM AN OBJECT OR POSITION OF ATTACHMENT.
MY DOC TOLD ME THAT ALIENATION WOULDN'T BE GOOD SO I
CAN'T WATCH ALIENATION ON MONDAY NIGHT AT 8PM ON GHA/Ns\P~~
.
DAD : A SEVERE BLOW.
THE DOC. TOLD ME THAT ALL MY PROBLEMS WERE CAUSED BY MY DAD.
.
BRAINSTORM : A VIOLENT TRANSIENT FIT OF INSANITY.
: A SUDDEN BRIGHT IDEA.
THE DOC. SAID A GOOD BRAINSTORM WOULD HELP ME OUT
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT IF WAS A BRIGHT IDEA TO TRY THE
FIRST OR A FIT OF INSANITY TO THINK I COULD DO THE
SECOND.
Message: 63488
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Peter Petrisko
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 01:17:23
The Government did not print up the cards. And, even if they did,
I don't mind them requesting that people should just say "No" to drugs.
What I resent is them passing stupid laws where their noses do not belong.
I am all for the education about drugs if it is truthful.....
We pay (waste) tax dollars on these laws...the more laws they pass,
the more money they take, till there is nothing you won't need a permit to
do and no money left to do it.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63489
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on education
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 03:37:04
I don't see any problem with private schools, for those who can afford
it. Trouble is, many parents can't. As for church, I doubt there are very
many churches that could pay qualified teachers of a variety of subjects. I
don't consider churches a good source of information anyway, and that is
clearly not their purpose.
True, there is drug use among high school students, and there are
cliques. This is not the result of the school system, it's the nature of
teenagers. Some teens will do drugs whether or not they're in school, and
some won't. Cliques are a defense mechanism caused by the fear of different
types of people and occur in real society. In short, high school is a
microcosm of society and this fact does not make an elementary and high
school experience any less valuable -- rather, it makes it more valuable.
Message: 63490
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl's fish
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 03:44:16
I find that hard to believe (your fish explanation). Where did you
hear that?
Most early Christian symbols were directly copied from pagan symbols.
Early Christian architecture even includes pagan phallic symbols. It is
not unlikely that the fish is derived from a pagan phallic symbol.
Other Christians: what do you think the fish represents?
Where does it come from?
Message: 63491
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 05:55:36
I have no argument with your statement, nor with Reagan's anti-Communism
stand. That, however, has been the position of virtually every American
leader since WW2, so again I would not credit Reagan solely with initiating
the statements against Communism, or any totalitarian state for that matter.
As Americans, we are supposed to espouse democracy as the best form of
government. Granted, it's not perfect, as some will no doubt hasten to point
out, but it's still the best there is.
As to Gorbachev, while he had to take the hard line Communist position at
the beginning of his reign as boss Commie, you'll have to recognize the fact
that he has been by far the most progressive and most liberal leader that
the USSR has had since the inception of the Communist form of government.
If, indeed, we can point a finger at any individual as the forerunner of
Communism's demise, it would seem more logical to point it at Gorbachev, who
has operated from the inside, than at Reagan who has yelled from a world
away.
Message: 63492
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean/drugs
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 06:03:37
You and Zak insist ont perpetrating the erroneous statement that drug use
is a non violent activity, when all the evidence points to the contrary.
If you take away all the drug gang wars and violence dealing with territory
and position, you are still faced with the thousands of violent death each
year caused by addicts committing crimes for profit so that they can support
their habit, (something that legalization would not correct), as well as the
thosands of violent deaths each year caused by overdoses, or by addicts
doing irrational things while under the influence of drugs, such as leaping
off buildings thinking they can fly, or just plain killing themselves in the
midst of a drug induced depression.
Sorry guys, there is no way that you are going to convince me, or Cliff, or
the U.S. government, that drug abuse is non-violent. Nor will you convince
me that there is no connection between drug use and drug abuse, since the
terms are synonomous. Putting a chemical into one's system that alters the
mind and removes the rationality of the consciousness is tantamount to
abusing the user. From the first time to the last.
Message: 63493
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/life sentence
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 06:15:43
You don't see how people sentenced to life will go free aside from escape?
You're not paying much attention Zak. How often do we see hardened
criminals sentenced to life imprisonment, only to have a time set for parole
hearings? Even in your case of life without chance of parole, we give them
years in the prison library, entering appeal after appeal and plea after
plea, for retrials, pardons, paroles, better conditions inside, and whatever
else comes to mind, all at the expense of taxpayer you and me. These
individuals are non-productive, self-centered people who have drastically
and permanently altered the lives of many by the action(s) that earned them
their place in prison. They have deprived people of life, and deprived
others of freedoms that we all consider rather basic. By what criteria,
other than bleeding heart, dripping liberalism, do you grant them the
privelege of continuing life at our outrageous expense for indeterminate
lengths, without any chance whatsoever of rehabilitation or of ever making
restitution for their acts?
Capital punishment is not just a viable means of dealing with these
individuals, It should be the only means.
Message: 63494
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 06:17:34
Concerning your position on personal responsibility for one's actions, I
agree totally.
See, we're not at odds on everything!
Message: 63495
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/Reagan
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 07:26:30
Yeah, sure... The Soviets are broke. And where is the US? Broke too...
Message: 63496
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak on brainwashing
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 09:28:25
I agree that parents have a powerful force over their children while raising
them - but personally, I believe that child can come to his own thoughts
someday and not that of his parents. If they go through life living,
thinking like their parents taught them - it is their fault, not anyone
elses. Our society has become one of blaiming everyone else except the right
one. If we are not brain damaged, insane, savants, or mentally retarded,
then we have the right to do and act as we wish regardless of our parents.
In my case, if I had not gone my own way (of thinking) I'd be totally
prejudiced, a Catholic and think only Texans were humans and everyone else
idiots! I'd be a raging alcoholic too because I was brought up around that.
My life and thoughts are nothing like my parents were - thank god!
\\* ANN *//
Message: 63497
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 09:31:46
Well put Daryl and it is nice that we agree once in awile isn't it?
\\* ANN *//
Message: 63498
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 09:36:37
Uhhhh -- what can you get now without a permit? I can't think of one thing
off hand relating to business anyway. \\* ANN *//
Message: 63499
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 09:41:45
I agree with you. My 3 grandkids were in a private Christian school for most
of their grammer school years. Then they were let out in the world at the
9th grade - public highschool and boy, were they in for an education in
what real life is. The oldest one has said he was sorry his parents did that
to him because he was not prepared and it was hard to adjust. In fact, it
changed him into an agnostic. He was never given a choice before. He found
out there was other belief's in the world. \\* ANN *//
Message: 63500
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Drugs & Crime
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 11:00:20
Shoot them all and soon there will be no drugs or crime.
!!! Shoot them all!!!
Ralph
Message: 63501
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul on drugs
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 18:22:15
I believe the topic of discussion was whether or not drug *dealing* was
violent, not drug abuse by the user (though we've discussed that before
also.) My point was that dealing, in itself, is not a violent activity. If
a particular dealer uses violence to keep competition at bay, that's
something else.
However, I will maintain my position that drug use is non-violent. If
somebody steals to get a fix, that's violent. But that's separate from the
use itself -- it's a separate action and does not occur with all drug users.
People who try to fly on drugs or commit suicide are being stupid, and
made the mistake of using drugs in uncontrolled circumstances. The same
thing can be said for drunk drivers.
You say there is no difference between use and abuse. I don't think
so. If this is true, then all wine drinkers are drug abusers. People who
smoke cigarettes are drug abusers. People who drink Pepsi are drug abusers.
Message: 63502
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 18:32:06
You raise some good points. I would have to agree that people found
guilty of multiple murders (especially of a gruesome nature) would probably
be better off being executed. Especially if it's completely obvious that
the person is guilty.
In lesser cases, though, such as a single murder by a person with a
limited previous record, capital punishment is not the best method of
punishment. This is also true of rape or molestation -- murder may be
desired emotionally, but punishment should be based on what's most rational.
I don't see how you can call me a bleeding heart. My disagreement
hinged on the possibility of a person being wrongly convicted and then never
being able to be brought to justice. My heart bleeds - for innocent people.
If our courts are jammed with criminals who ceaselessly try to appeal
their cases, we should refine the system so that they have to establish new
evidence before they can get into court.
I would be interested in hearing what other people think of the capitol
punishment debate. Dean? Beau? Daryl? Ann?
By the way, have you ever seen Twelve Angry Men? They showed it to us
when I was in 6th grade. It gives an example of how somebody can seem to be
guilty while really innocent.
Message: 63503
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James Hawley
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 18:53:04
I'd like to hear about Mardi Gras, if you attend.
Message: 63504
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 19:08:56
If you only shoot your own loads that means you don't buy anything....??
I don't understand. The .223 ammo I'm was speaking of is factory ammo.
You give the impression you don't want factory ammo.
If you dont want factory ammo, explain the difference between buying
brass,slugs and powder (all manufactured by a FACTORY) and putting
the separate pieces together (aside from grainage)...and buying a
premade factory round...???
Hmm..sounds somewhat elitist to me.. kinda like them there health food
weenies...
Since I don't study the art of killing as intensely as that, I'd like
to hear some reasons why someone would not want factory ammo. Maybe
there's a secret conspiracy I don't know about.
-Mike
Message: 63505
Author: Mike Carter
Category: In search of
Subject: Precision Machinist
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 19:15:46
The City of Phoenix is currently seeking someone with a licensed and
able shop to manufacture small runs of unique parts.
These parts are medium small (ranging from matchbox size to book size)
and fairly simplistic in design and function.
If you are interested in a money making opportunity, please leave mail
or call:
Mike Carter
Revenue Control
602-273-3437
2pm - 10pm Mon-Fri
Leave a message any other time.
These parts are needed soon and technical assistance is available
in production.
Message: 63506
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Paul/Reagan
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 19:49:59
I agree that Gorbachev's actions were important and seem to have required
amazing courage. I think he would still be running the evil empire as usual
if it hadn't ran out of gas though. Part of that running out of gas was due
to Reagan's daring to reverse the apologism and accomadation of the previous
administration. If the Soviets could have gotten enough support from us to
save themselves, without reforming their system, they would have done it.
The Carter Administration would probably have given them a blank check.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 63507
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 19:54:41
I pretty much agree with your post on capital punishment. (you asked)
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 63508
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Paul/Drugs
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 20:09:43
You can't call something a violent act just because it may or not involve
a person who might commit an actual violent act. Selling a substance to
someone who wants it is not a violent act. Ingesting a substance is not a
violent act. Stealing to buy drugs does not make drug use a violent act any
more than stealing to pay utility bills makes the use of electricity a
violent act. If electricity were legal, it would be cheap enough that few
people would steal to get it. Drugs which actually killed people, as the
media would have you believe is much more common than it really is, would
not be sold under legalization. Nobody could afford that kind of liabiliy.
They would make them safer. Drugs which could not be made safe would not be
legally sold for long, and users would choose the safer alternatives.
The evidence which you claim proves the violence of drug use is largely
false. Drug use is a very minor cause of death, and even that amount would
greatly decrease under legalization. Legalization would allow people to make
their own choices, and the evidence does show that this country's government
is not ready for that.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 63509
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/Fish
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 22:29:01
I will get some backup reference material for you.
Message: 63510
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Christian School
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 22:32:20
Arizona Lutheran Academy (our synod's Lutheran high school) has one of the
state's highest student-to-honor roll ratios.
Message: 63511
Author: Hans Glans
Category: War!
Subject: Suicide
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 22:57:12
If someone bases their life, on that of another, then that is the price they
pay for dependence. It is a consequence of their own actions, not the
actions of the person committing suicide.
Message: 63512
Author: Hans Glans
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Euthanasia
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 22:59:03
To keep animals from being lonely, of course. And since it isn't likely to
cause guilt, loneliness, depression, etc, it is ok, morally, and legally,
right Daryl?
Message: 63513
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Question?
Subject: Adkins
Date: 02/20/90 Time: 23:30:19
Mardi Gras? I have been to New Orleans, but that's about it. Why?
Message: 63514
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike Carter
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 00:43:15
We practice on ammo that has a set grain bullet and a set powder
load that we have choosen. I do not think factory ammo is bad, but... why
should I pay your price for ammo when I can load it much cheaper for myself
and be a round we prefer. And...if you have that darn millitary brass that
was crimped, you need a special reamer to fix it for new primers. Just not
worth the time... we throw that brass in the brass scrap barrel.
Second, we needed MONEY in the gun fund... we can't buy the trimmer
we need with 223 rounds. We already have plenty of brass, powder, and
projectiles, and that is the only reason we were taking in new customers.
As it is, we only service a few regulars, and do not want to many new ones.
Our goal is to fund just enough to help our shooting fund. We are only
going to sell to people we know! This is not a business!
Okay, it was a mistake to mention we would take other loadable brass
in exchange for loaded rounds. I will now only take 9mm loadable brass when
one wants 9mm loads. 45acp brass for 45acp loads.... etc. Sorry for the
confusion.
P.S. Could not call you Mike... at the beginning of the year we
deleted all expired $tatus user data to clear space. And silly me tossed
the printout of phone numbers....
Message: 63515
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hans Glans
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 05:54:37
Obviously, you have never been a parent. When and if you grow up, I can
almost guarantee that your views will change.
Message: 63516
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 08:39:53
Re: the capital punishment debate: ... I do not believe in capital
punishment simply because I don't believe anyone has the right to take
another's life be they the people or the government. To me it's murder and
they become as bad as the murderer. But I whole hardily believe in life in
prison without parole for first degree murder! PERIOD!!! I also believe
everyone has the right to an appeal if they choose, but no more! And it
should be done within a reasonable length of time - no long drawn out
waiting periods. IF we are going to have capital punishment, then lets get
it over with right after the second trial. The injection method is the best
if there can be 'a best' way to kill someone. However, that is so
distasteful to me, it makes me feel ill. \\* ANN *//
Message: 63517
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 08:42:49
The school my grandkids went to had high honors too - the students and the
school - but that doesn't mean they were prepared to go out into the real
world. Life is more than a good education! \\* ANN *//
Message: 63518
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: 9mm
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 10:32:13
Okay.... There is no longer an excess of 9mm rounds. Infact, there
are only a few hundred rounds left...
This means today I get to pick up the trimmer tool for the 223 brass
I want to reload!!!! A trimmer cuts rifle brass to the correct length so
when it chambers, it does not pinch the projectile causing humungous
pressures and possibly bursting the barrel. When firing this long necked
down rifle brass, there is some stretching... hence they need to be sized
(trimed). 223 brass has a life of about 6 to 8 times of being fired, and
yes, there is a tell tale buldge when you have hit that point.
Thanks for supporting my right to carry arms.... (and shoot them
too)
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63519
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff's sales
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 21:10:56
How much does a single bullet cost?
Message: 63520
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Zak on 'A' bullet
Date: 02/21/90 Time: 21:29:27
In lots of 50 only....
Besides, you did not specify the caliber or SWC, WC, FMJ, or ????
I did get the trimmer all set up today and production has begun!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=* and bullet maker!
Better than candlesticks.....
Message: 63521
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jan Brewer Jam
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 00:43:52
Did anyone attend? Did anyone tape it? Is an audio recording available? I
must hear this one.
Message: 63523
Author: Ralph Moffin
Category: In search of
Subject: thought
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 02:37:03
Guns, guns, guns!!!! Capital punishment vs. lower-case punishment!!!! Make
drugs legal make war illegal!!!! Send kids to school so they can learn from
traned professionals!!!! (Arizona Lutheran Acadmeny has the highest honor
rolls ration? Must have easy classes!) Does the fish stand for Jesus, or
does it stand for what Jesus did on his spare time?! Why do people have
bumper stickers that say "Jesus is my best friend". My best friends name is
Vince but I dont have a bumbper sticker that says "my best friend is Vince".
And I wouldnt want my best friends name plasterd next to where my exhaust
comes out, how humiliating!!!! Why dopeople need to tell the world who there
best friend is!!!!!
What are you all getting at. Your not going to change each others mind's.
You can fight about killing or not killing criminals all you want but you
wont change --> not even in the face of reason. People don't change. If
facts fly in their face, they just turn away. If slapped accross the face
with reason, they just pretend it doesnt hurt until their fooled even
themselfs. We ct change the world. Even if we all sent letters to the
goverment they gov. wouldnt change. They dont care what a handful of us
think. Even if you all finally agreed about something and all was peachy the
world would still spin all wobbly like a top. Thats just the way it is. Some
things will never change. Thats just the way it is. Oh....forget it.
I will be $eeking $tatus soon.
<<>> P.s. who is Rod?
Message: 63524
Author: Ralph Moffin
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: the sysop
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 02:44:58
Last time I was on here i wrote that story from the paper. I was listing
users and then I was typing the sysop's name and then all of the sudden...
Apollo SYSOP...<<>>...Apollo
SYSOP...<<>>
APOLLO SYSOP wants to chat...
"Do not use my name, I dont want you using my name" says the APOLLO SYSOP.
OK so I dont use his name. Fine.
I have serius questions about a BBS with a sysop who sits there and
moniters each message as its typed and if something offends him he starts
controlling the user. What kind of free speech is that. Thats censorship.
And all because I used a name. Whats wrong with using a name.
I do not understand this behavior and I very much hope it is not an
indicater of the sysops regular behavior. If I cant say what I please here
(without fowl language is ok) then I want no part of this.
<<>
<<>>
Message: 63525
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Private schools
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 04:06:23
A large part of a child's performance in school is determined by his
home environment. I think it's pretty obvious that someone who goes to all
the trouble of sending a kid to a private school is going to be concerned
about his education, and encourages and helps him at home.
Contrast this to the large number of parents that view public school
as a free babysitting service. (Just ask a teacher how many parents don't
show up at the parent/teacher conferences.)
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 63526
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Brainwashing
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 04:08:37
Hmmm, I don't know. As an example, my parents are very bigoted, but
it sure didn't rub off on me. Maybe it just served as a negative example.
It also doesn't hurt that I THINK about what I believe, rather than just
blindly do as I'm told.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 63527
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ralph Muffin
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 05:24:42
What are we all doing? What are we all getting at?
Ralph, if you don't understand that what we are doing is communicating
thoughts, and discussing issues, mostly without rancor or personal
animosity, then why, pray tell, do you seek $tatus?
All this, dear boy, is what BBSing is all about. If it irritates you so
much, perhaps you would be happier using your computer to write leter to the
editor, or doing your homework.
As for your obvious misunderstanding concerning the friendship of Jesus
Christ, those of us who love and try to follow him are commissioned not to
keep Him the secret of the ages. He has told us to go out into all the world
and give everybody the good news. What you do with it is, of course, up to
you. The fact that we are doing what we were told, however, should not
offend you, since we are not really trying to force Him on you, merely tell
you about Him. The simple fact is that He died so that you may live. If that
doesn't interest you, fine. If it does, just ask, and I or quite a few
others here will be glad to share what we have with you.
Have a wonderful day.
Message: 63528
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Zakey Baby
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 06:17:28
A single bullet? Whadda ya looking for - a silver bullet? Remember the
movie 'Silver Bullet by Stephen King? You know something we don't fellow?
Ha ha. -=*) ANN *(=-
Message: 63529
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ralph Moffin or ...
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 06:24:31
.. who ever you are. Cliff does not sit down and monitor each message as
it's typed and if it offends him he starts controling the user. This is by
far the most 'free speech' board around. Cliff has his opinions and states
them as well as we do. What do you want - you can say what you want the the
Sysop can't? Hey - I wouldn't want you using my name either. Why don't you
just settle down and enjoy things around here? -=*) ANN *(=-
Message: 63530
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: News Today
Subject: The Repulsive
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 06:39:41
The Repulsive is at it again with an elaborated article that is so
contradictory I chuckled while reading it. This mornings headlines read ..
... "Fatal 'strep' is feared, officials urge no panic"! Now that alone is a
controdictory statement if I ever saw it! Some of the article stated such
words as .... "Unfortunately, the public is being led into a panic. They're
thinking 'Strep throat, I know about that. Now I'm going to die"! ....
.... It went on to tell of the gory details of some Mesa woman being
admitted into the hospital with flu like symptom and died within 24 hours!
Evidently, this infection really fights antibiotics and you can die real
fast before they start to take effect. Another comforting statement er?
They finally did state that it is very rare - only about 3 to 7 people are
likely to get it out of 100,000 people. Also ... "The message for the public
is go on about your life. If you've got a sore throat or an infected wound,
see your doctor like you normally would"! Hmmmm - it's funny, but I wasn't
worried in the least until I read this article!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 63532
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 10:23:10
I don't think it's Rod. Zak, MAYBE....
Message: 63534
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 11:53:10
It's messages like the previous from Cliff that make it difficult for me to
think of this as an open (uncensored) BBS.
Message: 63535
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa Dee
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 12:19:04
Melissa, If you still have that Bible, you'd better burn it. You wouldn't
want to accidentally read it and run the risk of learning something.
**** Gary ****
Message: 63536
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dee
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 12:42:24
If you really believe your post # 63534, that is your right!
But:
Give me a break.... You can talk about anything you want. Because
I want my name left out of things I don't like (like Christian slamming)
does not mean you can't talk about it. In short...you are telling me I
don't have any rights to my likes and dislikes?
And everyone knows who I am on this board. I do not hide under a
bunch of different names to slam people.
Think about it!
Cliff
P.S. I also do not claim to be PERFECT, and I do make mistakes!
Message: 63537
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James and Cliff
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 14:54:56
What did the zapped message 63531 say, anyway?
Message: 63538
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last / Zak
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 15:34:07
I was saying I thought Moffin was Rod Williams... James said it was
more likely to be Zak Woodruff... I withdrew my post since I was probably
wrong in my assumption.
Maybe as some suggest, I should keep my thoughts and opinions to
myself.....
As a wise man once said, "You're always where you are at" and that
has NOTHING to do with this post.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63539
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 17:42:24
"You're always where you are at"?
Is that like Buckaroo Banzai's "No matter where you go, there you are"?
Message: 63540
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Gary and Cliff
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 18:51:12
Gary - I am trading the bible for a Prince tape. I am not wanting to burn
the Bible becaue I am athiest; I got it as a "gift" from someone who is a
well, jerk for lack of a better word.
Which reminds me!
Cliff, I was just responding to Ann's idea that this is a very open board.
I think there are others that are more open but I have no problems with
your restrictions.
Oh, P.S. - I have read the Bible and I did learn something.
Message: 63541
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dee on Jerk..
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 19:21:04
Well, maybe I am... Like I said, I will try and keep my opinions to
myself a bit more.
I don't know how we could be more open... there is a SIG here for
every conceivable taste. Have you tested these 'OTHER' boards as long as
you have tested Apollo? Since we are by far the oldest board around...
I doubt it! But then again, I ain't always right either!
Okay...I will SHUT up!
Message: 63542
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 19:34:47
I thought that Dee was saying that the person from whom she received the
Bible was a jerk. Been doing a little proselytizing behind Sandy's back?
Message: 63543
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ralph Moffin
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 20:11:36
Why are you seeking $tatus? You've convinced us all. It's all pointless.
I mean, all this discussion. We're not going to log on anymore. Have phun.
Message: 63544
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 02/22/90 Time: 20:45:36
Daryl is right. This Ralph Moffin has already taught us a valuable lesson
about ourselves. I can hardly wait to find out what he can do for us once he
has status. Maybe we will find out that living in general was as pointless
as talking to each other electronically.
See You Later
Dean H.