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Message: 63374
Author: Larry Michaels
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff Beck
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 02:10:25
Your love and compassion really shows. Get a life why don't you.
Message: 63379
Author: Ralph Moffin
Category: In search of
Subject: intelligent life
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 04:33:01
I've been watching this bbs with amazed eyes. Theres a sysop who sells
ammunition to his users and in the next message want to give them "just say
no" cards that entitle a person to free karate lessons and discounts on junk
food. Mr. Sysop why dont you just say no to guns?
Then we have this Larry guy who thinks we should put criminals on
farms. Did he ever stop to think that maybe there arent enough farms for the
criminals? I thouhtg the goverment was paying farmers not to grow their
crops because the market was flooded?
Then we have this Jeff Beck guy. He writes things like "I disagree
with you. You are a twit. Hitler was a normal boy. You are a twit. Hitler
killed 6 million Jews. I am not replying to you any more after this. Oh, by
the way..." Way to tell him. I think.
Then there is Paul Savvage. He says we should kill people even if they
comitted lesser crimes like stealing. "This would cut down on recidivism" he
says. Good job Paul! Meanwhile we should let white collar workers go and
let them pay back the money. I guess the color of your collar is what
really counts, and if there is a silver necklace under it.
I like this bbs overall though. I am considering $tatus. Its twelve
dollars. I would like to be $tatus.
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Message: 63380
Author: Ralph Moffin
Category: Religion
Subject: Jesus H. Christ
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 04:36:14
They say that Jesus died on a cross. Thats why people wear cross
earrings and necklaces and why crosses stand atop our churchs.
But what if Jesus Christ died in a different way?
What if Jesus died of a gun wound? Would churchs have big guns on them?
How about killed by an arrow. Would churchs have bows and arrows on them?
Would we wear arrow earrings?
What if Jesus died from being hit by a chariot? Or if he was stabbed?
What if he drunk poison wine? We could have chariots, knives, or wine
glasses on our churchs today! Thinkaboutit!
What if he died from lethal injection? Thered be a hypodermic needle on
top of our buildings of worship! How interesting!
What if Jesus died from a venareal disease?
This is just a thought I had.
Something to think about.....sometimes!!!....
Message: 63381
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on prisons
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 07:30:06
I agree with you on the way they should be run. They should be taught
discipline and not coddled. Heck, it would be better to go to prison if they
did than to be responsible for the crime they committed. Some of the
criminals never in their intire lives lived as good as the treatment they
get in prison now. No use making it better for them. \\* ANN *//
Message: 63382
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Larry on Hitler
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 07:33:27
Re: "Can you name someone who has suffered more than Hitler or Manson?"
Yeah -- the 6 million Jews he had horriablly distroyed and Sharon Tate!
\\* ANN *//
Message: 63383
Author: Robert Beaubien
Category: Bulletins
Subject: New BBS
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 07:44:39
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Message: 63384
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod on punishment
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 08:31:40
If drug dealers had been put to death right from the start, then
there would be no national drug problem. Man has FREE WILL, and that means
you are going to have Bad people as well as Good people. The bad in a young
person would grow if s/he got away with pranks and small crimes if
punishment were not to be applied. A lot of criminals come from families
who just don't care and don't punish their offspring. Then you have your
lazy types who will always take advantage of anyone willing to pull the
extra load. This also grows with out the use of discipline & punishment.
Why... because having free will and an analytical mind as man has, will get
him in trouble. Your not raising sheep or cattle Rod, you can't program man
like a robot or computer, and there is no society that would make man any
different then he is now with out the use of the threat of punishment to
help keep him in line.
And you know what, I would have it no other way.... I don't want to
be 'cattle'.
Look at the real problem...the fall of morals has brought an
increase in crime. The lack of quick punishment has made it flourish!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63385
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ann on prisons
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 08:45:40
It seems to me that since we have these people locked up and under our
control, that we should be able to brain-wash these losers into becoming
productive citizens. But, instead, apparently we create a sub-society
of criminal professionals with extreme anti-social attitudes. I think the
"boot-camp" idea is a good start on this type of program and I would like
to see it continue. I realize that some of these people are hopeless and
will continue to revisit our prison system, but if we could reduce the
recidivism rate by just 25 percent it would pay for itself. Any ideas on
how to do this ?
Message: 63386
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike C
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 09:04:40
Well, I work for C.A.S.A. I have written a booklet to help teenagers who
feel suicidal called "Survivors". I may not be making a major impact but I
have changed/saved the lives of some people. So I'm not just ranting here.
There are things that can be done and I am doing some of them.
Message: 63387
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Larry Michaels
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 14:35:54
No, no, no...parents, whether or not they're bad role models, are not
responsible for the actions of their children after their children become
adults. Even if the parents taught the child to steal, kill, etc., they are
not the agent directly responsible for the crime. The best our
society can hope to do is to punish the person directly responsible, not to
punish others who are "thought to have caused an environment conducive to a
criminal attitude," or something.
I don't see what's wrong with a system of "tit for tat," "eye for an
eye." If somebody kills your dog, they *should* be punished, be it by a
fine and some time in jail, or by the more primitive method of having *his*
dog put to sleep. How can you say this person doesn't deserve retribution?
What if somebody killed your dog, or something/somebody you loved? Would
you *not* favor some form of retributive punishment?
A problem I see with some of the ideas a few of this BBS's users have
is that they are not only saying "an eye for an eye," but "two eyes, an ear
and a nostril for an eye." In other words, they want to kill people for
stealing, kill people for dealing drugs, kill people for anything unsavory.
This is definitely not a fair system. Especially in the case of dealing
drugs, which isn't even a violent crime. If somebody steals, put him in
prison. If he steals again when he gets out, put him in prison for an even
longer time. Pretty soon these "recidivists" won't have any life left to
continue criminal activity with.
Message: 63388
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: prison sentences
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 14:54:35
I agree that a lot of heinous crimes go without an appropriate amount
of punishment.
I think that once an appropriate amount of prison time has been
established per a crime, that sentence should be adhered to. If the person
committed multiple rapes, molestations or robberies, then the sentence
should be appropriately multiplied.
The death sentence could be used usefully in cases where the crime was
so heinous that the victim's life is unrepairably and seriously impaired.
For example, the man who raped an eight-year-old girl and severed her arms
deserves a punishment equally terrible, perhaps death.
However, the death sentence for a single rape or molestation case is
overshooting the mark. These criminals should still be given a good amount
of time to think about their crime, but not their whole lives. I don't know
what the standards are for prison sentences, but 20 years sounds like a good
chunk of time for 1st time rape or assault charges.
Time off for good behavior, and paroles, should be limited. While the
good behavior plan is good in that it gives the prisoners a reason to try to
behave while in prison, it should not be used to knock 5 years off of a
15-year sentence.
Does this seem unfair? Is it too harsh or too light?
Message: 63389
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Various
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 15:00:28
PAUL:Probation for burglars and armed robbers, but death for those whose
'crime' was selling an illegal substance to someone who wanted it?
That is one reason capitol punishment is a bad idea; someone will
be deciding who dies for what. And they may do as you suggest and
kill people who have not initiated violence against others. The evil
in using death to control non-violent behavior should be obvious to
anyone.
ROD: Resentment of others is a more likely cause of the warped personality
which drives some people to destroy others. Given the chance, they
will usually fall back on tales of unhappy life as an excuse. They
often believe this themselves, and blame that unhappiness on the
target group they are acting against. Hitler, Manson, and Marx each
had their own hatreds and their own exuses for them. To say that we
cannot judge their acts without knowing the true circumstances of
their earlier lives is simply wrong. Resentment does not exuse
destruction anymore than horniness excuses rape.
CLIFF:If the death penalty had been used all along against people who sold
guns, privately owned guns wouldn't be a problem anymore. Great idea
huh?
MOFFIN:Give Cliff $12 for status right away. Then convince him to just say
no to guns. Next, have him turn all his guns over to me for proper
'disposal'. He has changed sides on drugs again and again, so guns
should be easy.
Message: 63390
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: News Today
Subject: criminal sentences
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 15:51:55
IN TODAY'S NEWSPAPER...
-- "A man was sentenced to life in prison Thursday for the murder of his
girlfriend's 4-year-old son, who was beaten, burned, stuck with pins and
forced to hang upside-down in a closet. The woman was sentenced to life for
letting it happen.
The sentences for Johnny Campbell and Alicia Abraham carry *no
possibility of parole*. [My emphasis]
Campbell said he beat Lattie and his 8-year-old brother, Cornelius, to
curb what he thought was homosexual behavior."
MEANWHILE...
-- "HUNTSVILLE, Texas. A man who spent nearly eight years behind bars for a
grocery-store robbery he never committed has walked out of prison after
being given a full pardon.
The release Wednesday of Michael Anthony Woten, 36, marked the *sixth
time* [my emphasis] since 1984 that an inmate's conviction in Dallas County
has been thrown out or reversed and the person freed after spending years in
prison.
The most famous case was that of Randall Dale Adams, who served 13
years after being convicted of killing a Dallas police officer but was freed
last year after his story was told in the film *The Thin Blue Line*."
(...good thing we didn't kill him, huh Paul?)
Message: 63392
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Zak???
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 16:32:33
Re: Especially in the case of dealing drugs, which isn't even a violent
crime.
Why do I have a hard time believing that? You sit there and tell
me there are no drug deaths. Tell me there are no drug wars. Tell me
people don't die on bad drugs... O.D. on unknown drugs.... If NO one ever
gets hurt with drugs...what is the big fuss about?
If a drug dealer sells a minor drugs, bringing an early death to
that minor.... then I think the drug dealer should be put to death.
If someone sold my boys drugs... I might not kill the guy, but I
sure would want to beat the snot out of him.
I see a lot of violence in the drug business!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63393
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Dean Hathaway
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 16:51:26
I have not really changed my mind on drugs. If we are going to keep
them illegal, then let's do the war the right way to win it. If this is to
hard on your stomach, then let's legalize drugs, giving us controll first
then we can educate and help those who want help later.
Guns are not illegal Dean.... let me repeat... Guns are NOT
illegal! If Drugs were leagal, I would not be saying give dealers the
death penalty. I mearly point out the war on drugs is not being fought
seriously enough to be won. Fight to win, or make it legal!
If I were told I would be fined for running a free speech BBS and
slapped on the hand....I might still keep running it. However, if there
was a death penalty for running that same BBS.... you would not be reading
this post as Apollo would be broken plastic (or I would give it to Todd
Reese and let him hang)..... The price I might have to pay would not be
worth the risk. So, the 4 thousand U.S. SysOps would now number about 500.
There are always a few stupid people, but the battle would be narrowed down
a great big amount. That is how you fight a war!
By the way, were you one of the guys running the VietNam war a
decade ago? You sound like it.
Message: 63394
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Criminals & Zak!
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 17:00:39
So, for the FEW people in prison that have been found possibly
innocent and released are an even exchange for the thousands who have been
released who committed even worse crimes.
Good math!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63395
Author: Ralph Moffin
Category: In search of
Subject: brains?
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 17:27:29
Dean I will have to send Cliff the sysop my money, but I hope I don't
haave to tell him where I live!!!!
Sysop cliff, I went back to look for your message where you were sellinng
ammunition, but its not there anymore. Why did you erase it? Is it illegal
to sell ammunition?
I think its good that our criminal justice system works so thatpeople who
are not guilty can get out if people find out their not guilty. I think the
people who want to kill everybody must be very angry and not have their
heads screwed on.
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Message: 63396
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: SYSOP on stats
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 18:03:50
Fine, feel like you do in [63394] until you or someone that you love gets
wrongly convicted.
Message: 63397
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ralph Moffin
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 18:27:55
First off Ralph... it is not illegal to sell ammo or make reloads.
Second, I did NOT ZAP my post... you just failed to find it. Try eading
post number 63369 or do a ind on '9mm'.
Third... you best send the info as to your phone number and where you live,
or $tatus will not be granted and your check will be ripped up. This of
course is if you even apply. However, there is no fee to use the PUBlic
part of this board and you are more than welcome to do so.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63398
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: PDP1134
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 18:29:38
With manuals and lots of media.... for info as to where this unit
is.... please leave me mail.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63399
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Reader's Digest
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 18:34:24
I want Rod to read the March 1990 issue, page 105 - 110 on
Communism's Incredible Collapse: How it Happened.
For you anti Reagan buffs and put-downers such as Zak Woodruff and
Paul Savage.... please READ with an open mind. If you can't read...I will
be happy to read it too you....
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 63400
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 19:08:49
Re: "I don't know where I stand on capital punishment."
If you don't know where you stand, that seems to mean you can see reason for
capital punishment in some cases. That's where I stand, and I consider
myself for capital punishment.
Message: 63401
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Question?
Subject: Melissa
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 19:17:50
Re: "Well, I work for C.A.S.A. I have written a booklet to help teenagers
who feel suicidal called "Survivors".
What are your qualifications?
Message: 63402
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 19:20:11
Re: "parents, whether or not they're bad role models, are not
responsible for the actions of their children after their children become
adults."
Good post Zak!
Message: 63403
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 19:31:45
Re: "Does this seem unfair? Is it too harsh or too light?"
I agree with you Zak, except maybe for rape. Rape is such a horibble crime.
I don't think death is too extreme in most cases.
I know a woman who was gang raped. One of the men was identified from a mog
shot and positively identified in a line up. Ulitmately the man was found
not guilty becuse he was black and the rape victim was from the south. The
defense lawyer convinced the jury the women was biased against all blacks
because she was from the south. Therfore she really couldn't id the man.
Could you id a man who raped you face to face in a well lighted room? All
the others wore ski masks. This was not just a rape but a perverted type
rape involving unmentionable things I would not put on a public BBS.
What's the point here? Our judicial system has gone so far to protect the
criminal, the victims are all but forgotten. I am concerned for the rights
of people. I am concerned for the right of a 10 year old boy to walk down
the street in broad daylight and not get kidnapped and repeatedly sodmized.
I am concerned for the rights of our mothers and sisters to the store and
not be gang banged. I am very concerned!
Message: 63404
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/63310
Date: 02/16/90 Time: 22:30:27
Yes, Cliff.
I do.
Message: 63405
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ralph
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 02:05:09
There was no "oh, by the way..." The second message actually preceded the
first, only the first was updated and thus appeared to be a contradiction.
Woof.
Message: 63406
Author: Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pere Ubu
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 02:06:37
Somebody get me a toothpick.
Message: 63407
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak & others
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 05:47:40
For the benefit of those who insist on misreading my posts, I shall repeat
myself.
I have never advocated the death penalty for stealing! (That's for
whatsisname, this new kid in the neighborhood who has such trouble
comprehending simple statements.)
As to the innocent wrongly imprisoned, my position on capital punishment
stands. This happens in such a small percentage of capital cases that it is
really an acceptable risk. Better, in my humble opinion, to execute 1
wrongly accused person than to let 100 murderers or rapists return to the
street for good behaviour so that they can repeat their heinious activities.
Concerning the alleged "non-violence" of dealing illegal drugs, you who
feel this way have a lot of bodies to overlook to see your point. What about
those killed in drug related drive by shootings? What about those kids who
buy and use too many drugs and then thik they can fly and test their "wings"
from the roof of a local building? What about those who die a horrible,
lingering death from multiple use of drugs, or from overdoses, or shared
needles? What about the territorial disputes of the dealers themselves?
(Although the happy thought occurs that they might all kill each other off,
saving the state all but one execution.) Sorry Zak, but your (and other's)
contention that drugs are non-violent or victimless just doesn't wash. THe
continued use of thousands of words in defense of the largest illegal
industry in the US will never change the nature of the beast.
Again, death to those who deal in death and/ or bodily harm. Restitution and
rehabilitation for those whose crimes are against property.
Message: 63408
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob Thornburg
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 08:03:11
I was not saying that I had any qualifications. I was merely trying to show
Mike Carter that there are people who care about teenagers and I don't feel
that suiside is a selfish act. However, I was a teenager. And I have had
training at C.A.S.A. to talk down callers who might be suicidal.
Message: 63409
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Religion
Subject: Cattle Prodded Gonad
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 09:19:52
Torture is not new to our time. Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David,
Samuel, Isaiah, and the prophets all enforced justice, received
promises, faced the sword, ran kingdoms, became victorious in war,
learned of the strength in weakness, of the power in vulnerablilty, were
mocked, scourged, chained, blinded, sawed in half, stoned, wore sheep
skins, wandered friendless over deserts, hid in caves and did not
receive what was promised. Women lost their children and were themselves
beaten to death, yet refused to deny the faith. They knew that God
foresees something better for us than our best plans. With such a cloud
of witnesses around us, let us put down our selfishness and our striving
after glory, let us stop trying to be God, and devote our energy to
running the race He entered us in. Consider the example of Jesus Christ
when you talk of torture and faith, or when you write about the joy in
enduring shame or the victory in humiliation.
(My own paraphrase of Hebrews 11:32-12:2)
Mike
PS. I knew the Guggenheims. They were genteel, polite, mannerly,
generous,well-educated, empathetic, and loving people. I always looked
forward to a visit to the DC area and a stop at the Estate. They always
welcomed me with open arms. Part of "name" includes "character."
Message: 63410
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Religion
Subject: Lethal weapons
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 09:26:07
Mr. Moffin brings up a good point. We do not wear little model electric
chairs around our necks! The Christian church is looking for a symbol to
replace the Cross (has anyone else noticed?). The Dove, the stupid fish that
was really a symbol for the Goddess' genitals, the Butterfly, a stupid fish
with the Cross actually entering it(!)...all these I have seen lately being
represented as appropriate symbols for Christianity. Well, before we all
sticker our bumpers with rainbows and doves... What is the Gospel we are
trying to symbolize? Is it "everythings beautiful?" Is it "it all was done
for us 2000 years ago, so we can slide right around our own responsibility?"
I don't know.... The Cross was not the symbol for Christianity in the
beginning either... Anyone have a suggestion for an appropriate symbol for
me actually DYING WITH CHRIST to my selfishness so God can use me to show
love to this world?
Mike
Message: 63411
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliffy
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 10:22:56
Uhhhhh .. you keep addressing posts to a Rod! Is Rod Williams back among us
and I don't know it? \\* ANN *//
Message: 63412
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger on prisoners
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 10:34:05
As I've said before - I don't think prisoners should be coddled nor should
they be treated inhumanely either, but make our prisons productive - make
them pay their total way and not the tax payers. Teach them skills so that
they could survive on the outside when the do get out. I have never seen a
prison that didn't have acres around them that could be farmed by the
prisoners and eaten by them only. If there is surpluss, then sell it to the
public and them make the profit. (the prison) These people do not have to
spend the bulk of their time in a cell. I'd be willing to bet that the
majority of criminals are uneducated and have not be able to survive nor
cope with the regular world. If we gave them a way to make a good living
while in there, it stands to reason that they'd see it's a better way than
the life of crime. If they want giant screen color TV sets, pool tables, or
a gym, then let them pay for it with their labors. The people on the outside
do! As for the criminal that won't change - let him stay in prison then if
he keeps braking the law. Look at all the man power going to waste right now
in all of the prisons. How can we expect them to lead productive lives if we
slam them into cubicles for years and then tell them to be good? This is
just my opinion. \\* ANN *//
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Message: 63413
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak, on the ...
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 10:39:02
... other hand - I can't remember all the details, but there was a very
famous trial of a guy called the Red Light bandit in Calif. many years back
- he killed several people - remained in prison for 11 years and they
finally put him to death. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I
ever heard. Not one bit of it made sense. \\* ANN *//
Message: 63414
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa on suicide
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 10:50:15
I really disagree with you there when you said "I don't feel that suicide
is a selfish act"! I feel it is the MOST selfish act one could do! I can
think of nothing worse on the people who love the ones that do it. A perfect
revenge to hurt as deep as one can and totally distroy those left behind.
I don't agree with your ideas, but certainly like what you are doing to
help. Many would be suicides can and are talked out of it. \\* ANN *//
Message: 63415
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: kill the innocen{
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 11:34:05
Reminds me of the lady legislator who didn't mind that a few innocent
people might be executed with her 'hang 'em by the balls' legislation
for child molestors. Can't have an omelot if you don't break a few
eggs, eh ?
Message: 63416
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ann on prisons
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 11:39:10
Sound like a good idea. Surely others must have thought of doing the
same. There must be prison systems that are more successful than
others. Do you know of any ?
Message: 63417
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Woodruff
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 12:24:46
My visit with Rae was very nice.
Message: 63418
Author: Ralph Moffin
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: anything
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 14:54:21
We should take ann eye for an eye to its limits. If somebody stabs
somebody 6 times, then that person should be stabbed 6 times also. If a man
violenlty rapes a women, he should be violently raped himself with a stick
and be castrated and then put in jail. The problem is who will do it?
ANSWER --> I WILL!
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Message: 63419
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 15:14:30
Somehow, I do not quite go along with that idea.
Message: 63420
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: statistics
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:19:24
And it's more likely that you'll be hit by a car on the way to your polling
place than it is that your vote will make a difference.
Message: 63421
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ultimate drug thrill
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:20:26
Who says recreational drug use is for "pleasure"?
Message: 63422
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: addiction
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:24:55
Anything can be addictive. I don't have the complete reference handy, but
the article "Defining 'addiction'" in a recent issue of the Canadian Journal
of Psychology by a couple neuropsychologists from Simon Fraser University
gives some info. "Dependence" is the word used to designate a physical need
for a substance.
Message: 63423
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: obey the law
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:27:15
Bob T: "The law is the law and should be obeyed."
What if the law is immoral?
Message: 63424
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: coke/pepsi/nicotine
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:30:14
Only about 3% of coke users become addicted, whereas it's more like 10% for
nicotine. And tobacco users need fixes more often than coke users or heroin
addicts. (For figures on cocaine addiction, see Ethan Nadelmann's article
in the Sep. 1, 1989 _Science_.)
The latest (March 1990) Scientific American (in the Science and the
Citizen) column rebuts some claims about drugs doing nasty things to
society's productivity. Bush's claimed statistic, for example, is bogus.
Message: 63425
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Christians
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:33:12
I always find it amusing how Christians try to evade responsibility for the
continuously abhorrent behavior of Christians over the last 1900+ years.
Message: 63426
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: drugs
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:38:13
Who wants a sober civilization? How boring. (And we sure don't have one
now.)
Message: 63427
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: suicide
Date: 02/17/90 Time: 18:40:38
Suicide should be legal. But, unfortunately, legalized suicide is not down
any slippery slope from legalized abortion or even legalized active
euthanasia.