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Message: 8734
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Question?
Subject: Gordon/last
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:20:45
Speaking of anyone I know?
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Message: 5187
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff/morality
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 04:30:23
I find homosexual behavior between males extremely distasteful, and I don't
consider homosexuality in general to be natural behavior. However, I
tolerate the homosexual "condition" because I believe the majority of gays
are not responsible for their sexual preference. That said, and supported
by recent neurological findings I might add, how can we deny them their
sexuality?
I don't particularly relish the fact that my tax dollars are spent to find
cures for the diseases of smoking and drinking, but, unlike you (and Ann), I
realize that the ultimate outcome of this research will be cures for many
other kinds of diseases. I stand by my prediction that the revelations
produced through AIDS research will greatly benefit society in general, not
just those that are HIV positive. Sometimes we need an "enemy" to
accelerate tha pace of research. That should be clear to you as the 50th
anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor approaches. Think about it.
Message: 5188
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff - Immorality
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:32:59
> Anal intercourse is not natural. The rear end is not even
> designed for such usage and can be damaged severely. Hence, it
> is immoral.
"Driving a car is not natural. The earth was not designed to cope with
millions of automobiles and is being damaged severely. Hence, driving a car
is immoral."
I know this argument takes your statement to ridiculous extremes, Cliff, but
do you agree with it? If not, what, besides damage to what God or Mother
Nature gave us contributes to immorality?
Message: 5190
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Immoral<->Unnatural
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:58:17
Um. I see everyone else has made my point. Never mind.
Message: 5191
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: AIDS
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:45:51
This is all so silly - here all of you are, except Cliff, for anal
intercourse - saying it is in the same league as driving a car, etc, etc,
and all of you are forgetting the fact if you B. F someone, you can get AIDS
real quick and that is why it has spread and is spreading. Your all crazy,
you know that?! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 5192
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Bill
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 12:37:48
A car was designed to be driven.... The human rear end was not
designed to be a sex organ for reproduction. It's a waste disposal system.
This is getting ridiculous... Do it if you like it, but to me it is
repulsive, and one reason why AIDS has spread as it has. Yet... people
still do it and on top of that, they try to get the public's 'blessing' for
it. Well, forget about that Bill, I will never give anal intercourse my
blessing!
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Message: 5193
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
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1:Butt fucking happens. It should be dealt with through education. We first
2:must be educated in order to educate and at present we are still a
3:struggling society. We don't know all the answers therefore mistakes
4:happen. The oddities of the world come about from the world being odd. If
5:we were a totally sane-rational world, butt fucking would not exist but it
6:does and this reflects upon society as a whole, not an individuals fault.
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Message: 5193
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: analogies
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:24:45
Yes, dirt bikes were designed to be driven -- but what about the desert,
forest, etc., across and through which people drive them, Cliff? Are these
people acting immorally?
Note to all: Since Ann can't follow an argument, and seems to be incapable
of presenting one, I shall furthermore ignore any such attempts by her.
Note that this is *not* based just upon recent discussions, but on years of
reading her messages -- both when we were on the same side and when we
disagreed about a topic.
Message: 5194
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Flying immorality
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 21:33:06
Flying is real unnatural.
Message: 5195
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: AIDS
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 22:44:06
Butt fucking happens. It should be dealt with through education. We first
must be educated in order to educate and at present we are still a
struggling society. We don't know all the answers therefore mistakes
happen. The oddities of the world come about from the world being odd. If
we were a totally sane-rational world, butt fucking would not exist but it
does and this reflects upon society as a whole, not an individuals fault.
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Message: 1987
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/haze
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 05:51:13
No, I've been holding my breath since the inversion layer settled in. I sure
hope it blows away soon! I'm turning purple!
By the way, while we agree on so little, I though I should tell you that I
really enjoyed your post on friendship on the main board. Sex is easy.
Real friendships have to be really worked at.
Message: 1988
Author: $ Green Lantern
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Message: 1988
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Blowing Smoke
Subject: Melissa/Brother
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:59:40
Keep encouraging him. Eventually, he will stop. The worst thing he can do is
give up on himself because he keeps backsliding.
Message: 1989
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/Haze
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:00:24
Yeah. Hack! Cough! Brack! Wheeze!
Message: 1990
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 22:46:03
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1:Earth and all on it is composed of derbis from the cosmos. It's a long
2:cycle, I suppose. I hope we evolve soon.
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Message: 80294
Author: James Matlock
Category: Question?
Subject: European newspapers
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 01:27:11
Which countries' newspapers did you read? What I really want to know is how
broad a base for comparison your experience gives you, so that I can ask you
to compare American newspublisher sensibilities with a sort of generic
European sensibility, assuming the European (let's say, British, French, and
German) newspapers are in that sense homogeneous enough to make the concept
meaningful.
Do you find that American newspapers are by and large more concerned with
purely domestic issues than European newspapers, with the possible exception
of sensationalistic world disasters and so forth, or that they're about
equal, only, the priorities are different, as evidenced by placement in the
headlines?
How important do you think geography is in terms of the coverage of the
Yugoslavian civil war? Is western Europe more concerned because it's right
next door? How much coverage did the Europeans give the war in Nicaragua
compared to the U.S. newsmedia?
How interested should we be in a civil war in Yugoslavia? More interested
than in the perennial civil wars in Africa which cause just as much if not
more civilian hardship? Or are we just not paying enough attention to
worldwide civil wars in general? There isn't enough room on page one to
cover them all. Should we add a "War" section? I'm not being sarcastic,
just wondering how we can set priorities without being arbitrary.
Message: 80295
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 04:09:48
In your own way, as usual, you cut through all the nonsense and say
something not only valid, but thoughtful and touching. In all sincerity,
many people could learn much from you.
Message: 80296
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/morality
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 04:13:50
We all have our own moral code, one that we hopefully live by. I don't
happen to think that sexual behavior is immoral, though it can certainly be
unwise. I do think that an immoral person is one that believes that people
deserve to die because of their sexual behavior.
Message: 80297
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill/Johnson
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 05:34:31
How can you say that noone, even Earvin Johnson (the magic has gone out)
knows how he contracted HIV, when he himself has stated that he got it
through heterosexual contact?
Message: 80298
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 05:37:25
I have seen a lot more about AIDS on Apollo lately than I have seen in any
newspaper. DOes that mean that we (you) are hyping it up too much?
Message: 80299
Author: John Groseclose
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 80210
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:13:29
So, what you're saying, Ann, is that even if the Roman Empire WERE
promiscuous, we outnumber them?
I'd still have to disagree. There may be more of us, but I'd be willing to
bet that the "perversions per capita" of the Romans still beats the modern
numbers.
As for the women always having fewer lovers, have you ever heard of the
Roman "hetairae?" Women that often had as many as 30-40 different lovers
per DAY?
Message: 80300
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Bill/I.O.U.'s 1/2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:26:31
BB> Once again, I'm afraid I've missed something here. How does the Fed
BB> get to be both giver and recipient of the same I.O.U.?
Good question. They get to be both give and recipient of the same I.O.U. by
passing laws. Since there is a presumption, under our "representative
democracy" (they conveniently ignore the Constitutional Republic side of
things) that the PEOPLE authorize the laws, they can adopt the position that
in reality those I.O.U.'s are authorized by the people and represent the
people's debt to the FED. To put it another way, to the FED, those I.O.U.'s
represent 'credit' extended to the people. To the people they represent
debt.
The FED (the owners of it, actually) control Congress and the Executive
Branch and the Judicial Branch, and they make sure laws are passed and
upheld in their own best interest and in no one else's. They have created
the perfect debt-money system: create money out of thin air, lend it to
their member banks, who lend it down through the system to the corporations
and ultimately the consumer, and charge interest on that money created out
of thin air. The only way to pay the interest is to take some of that
fraudulent money out of circulation, which slows down the economy and leaves
the principal owing and still accruing interest. The only way to pay back
the principal is the same way, which leaves the interest still owing and
compounding. The only way to keep from slowing down the economy,
Message: 80301
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Bill/I.O.U.'s 2/2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:27:20
therefore, is to create more money out of thin air, which increases both the
principal and the interest accrual (and inflation!), and therefore their
profits. Thus, they believe (well, actually they know better, but they want
YOU to think they believe) this is the best way to control the so-called
"boom-and-bust" cycles of business to prevent periodic recessions and
depressions. That was the excuse used to impose this illegal, immoral,
unConstitutional, fraudulent, and fattening (to them) system upon us.
But it does not control the so-called "boom-and-bust" cycles of business, as
history clearly shows; all it does is give them the power to create their
own "boom-and-bust" cycles for their own profit and to effect political
change in their favor (such as creating a favorable climate for
government-issued serial numbers on the people, establishing socialism,
etc.)
Message: 80302
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sorry I'm late
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:27:59
I apologize for the delay in answering messages. I've been working longer
hours and getting paid for it less, attending award ceremonies, and studying
dah di-di-di-dit dit dah-dah dah-dah-dah di-dah-dit di-di-dit dit
dah-di-dah-dit dah-dah-dah dah-di-dit dit and refreshing my memory on how to
repair a 15-year-old color tv.
Message: 80303
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Soviet gold
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:28:49
BB> The Russian needs to barter for the rights because rubles can't leave
BB> Russia. Last I heard the writer was considering trading for some
BB> high-quality vacuum tubes used in guitar amplifiers.
I can believe that, almost -- though I would be startled by a revelation
that Russia had any high-quality guitar amplifier tubes.
Interesting note: You noticed that a bunch of countries decided to give the
Soviet Union foreign aid? Did you see mentioned, anywhere in any of the
news reports, that the Soviet Union is sitting on 200 metric tons of gold,
or that those foreign aid deals did not in any way require any portion of
that gold as collateral?
I still say the Soviet break-up and the misery the Soviet people are
enduring is contrived for the purpose of world domination by the New World
Order.
Message: 80304
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Fractured Reserve
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:30:04
FS> Of course the fractinal reserve ssytem controlls the value of money.
FS> The value of money is controlled, in part, how much of "it" there is in
FS> circulation. Anything that results in more of "it" in circulation will
FS> devalue "it". Lowering the reserve requirements allows more loans
FS> which puts more money in circulation.
I said that. But okay, I yield: this is the "control" represented by the
FED's "prime lending rate to member banks." It is also the "control" that
has gotten "out of control" on more than one occasion when FED analysts
admitted the M1, M2, and M3 money supply were indicating one thing while the
economy was doing another. There has been several times these guys have
discovered the economy -- the real economy, not the 'California woo-woo'
abstract of it represented in their naive fantasies -- got the best of them.
Too bad they didn't learn their lesson: the economy can be likened to
Mother Nature. You push Mother Nature too far in an unnatural direction,
and Mother Nature is going to push back -- hard. The economy does the same
thing. It is not "controllable" in the sense they think it can be
controlled. That is why using a medium of exchange of intrinsic,
non-fluctuating value works so well, and has always worked so well when not
subverted by con artists -- it flows with nature instead of against it.
Message: 80305
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Global Economy
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:30:52
FS> While you seem to think we "willing" as it were, abandoned it, I think
FS> it would be more accurate to say that such a standard simply had to be
FS> abandon as no longer workable in a global economic setting.
Well, that's certainly what they wanted you to think. But it worked quite
well in a global setting for a long time when transportation and
communications weren't anywhere near as fast as they are now. There *was*
the problem you mention -- that it was worth more elsewhere than it was here
-- but that could easily have been dealt with by requiring payment in gold
for what we were selling overseas. The only reason there was a gold drain
was because we were selling our goods overseas and accepting payment in
other than gold. Pounds Sterling, for example. The introduction of our
gold in their markets (overseas) drove down the value of Sterling, thus we
were not getting value for value.
Message: 80306
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Living Standard 1/3
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:31:57
FS> Interesting premise but except for the last decade or so it is hard to
FS> figure how the vast majority of us have been getting ripped off since
FS> our standard of living has improved steadily since the abandonment of
FS> the gold standard. If you are going to claim that "we" have been
FS> ripped off you need to account for the improvement evident in our lives
FS> and show how that was a ripoff.
For the last decade or so? How about for the last 5.7 decades, since the
gold standard was stolen from us, or the last 2.7 decades since the silver
standard was stolen from us?
When my father was drafted into the Army at the beginning of World War II,
he was earning 12 dollars a week. In the space of six months between the
time he married my mother and received his draft notice, he managed to put
the not inconsiderable sum of 49 dollars in the bank -- you'll note that is
slightly over 4 weeks' pay. Thus fully fifteen percent of his pay was not
required for living expenses, and this was at the tail end of the Great
Depression. His job was equivalent to what might be called "semi-trained
labor" today -- one step up from the ditch-digger. Today the same kind of a
job brings "minimum wage," or maybe up to five dollars an hour if you've
been there quite a while. How many couples do you know today who could
survive on five dollars an hour, forty hours a week, without food stamps or
other assistance? And putting money away for the future? Forget it!
Message: 80307
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Living Standard 2/3
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:32:57
He supported his family -- my mother, who was home pregnant with me, and had
the normal attendant doctor bills -- in their own apartment, groceries,
everything, on 12 bucks a week. When he was drafted, it took two months for
her allotment check to arrive, and when it finally arrived, the 49 dollars
he left in the bank had just run out.
Don't tell me our living standard is "better" today. There are some
technological improvements in our living standard, but today both parents
have to work to support what living standard they have. Even those yuppies
you see running around in their BMW's and Audi's -- most of them are in the
same fix as everyone else; every penny coming in is going out and darned
little if any is going into savings. Most of them are less than a month
away from living on the street, and the thought of putting their kids
through college is beyond consideration without grants and scholarships --
hand-outs from others. Fifty years ago -- when our money had already been
debauched for seven years and threatened for two decades before that -- the
average guy who was willing to work did at least twice or three times as
well on thirty cents an hour as a minimum wage earner does today on 4.50 an
hour.
Oh, sure: we've got automobiles and indoor plumbing and stereo systems and
the ubiquitous boob tube. But automobiles in my father's day cost roughly
$300 -- 25 weeks pay for my father. Today they cost 12,000 frns for a
Message: 80308
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Living Standard 3/3
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:34:27
minimum mid-range model -- 67 weeks pay at 4.50/hour, more than twice the
cost in labor. Heating costs are ten times higher. Other utilities --
water, sewer, sanitation -- cost more per month than my father earned in
five or six months. Rent on a place to live costs more per month than my
father earned in a year.
Sure, we have a better living standard. But we haven't "earned" it, we
haven't "achieved" it -- we've borrowed it from the future. We've borrowed
it from our children and our children's children, and they are going to have
to pay it back when we are gone with grinding poverty, because the bubble is
going to burst. I'm not talking here about the use of bank loans and credit
cards and the like, though these have seriously exacerbated the problem.
I'm talking about the debt money itself; the worthless frn -- the stuff we
labor 40 hours a week for, only to be "loaned" our pay, by government, at
interest, which our children are going to have to repay.
I'd be willing to bet that without this worthless debt money, our living
standard today would be ten times what it is now. *Everyone's* living
standard. I'd be willing to bet the lowliest ditch-digger today would live
in a 4-bedroom Victorian mansion, and that it wouldn't cost him more than
six month's pay to buy it -- due to the greater innovations in construction
technology available when people get rewarded for their industry and
inventiveness without being ripped off by government banksters.
Message: 80309
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Unprincipled
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:35:26
FS> You are essentially inventing problems that are not of a concern to
FS> anyone and then claiming the solution would be the gold standard.
That *is* why we are in the mess we are in: the problems of today, born of
the criminal acts of the past, are "not of a concern to anyone". There is
no longer any desire or even belief in principled behavior; no concern for
the desperate future into which we are being led giggling and slobbering, no
worry about whether our children will live in liberty and prosperity or
enslaved and under grinding poverty.
Nor have I suggested a gold standard would be the solution. I have stated
that the theft of the gold and silver standard is the major primary root
cause of the problem. Correcting the problem is going to take a lot more
than returning to a gold/silver standard; there are too many people out
there whose greed and lack of principle and, frankly, inability and
unwillingness to pursue a principled and proven economic course, makes them
consider the bankster-contrived economic problems of today as "not of a
concern to anyone."
"There can be no self-government without self-discipline." --Paul Harvey.
This fraudulent economic system was established to wean our nation away from
principled and self-disciplined behavior. It has obviously succeeded. We
are about to lose self-government along with our "living standard."
Message: 80310
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Powerful?
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:36:24
FS> RE: No possible way this monetary system could work
FS> Hmm, I guess becoming the Most powerful country on the earth since
FS> abandoning the gold standard is further proof of how our monetary
FS> system doesn't work??
Hah! Boy, are *you* living in a daydream! Come back to reality for two
seconds, Fred, and think about it: *ARE* we "the most powerful country on
the earth" today in any way except militarily? (And that superiority is
slipping fast.)
Give me a break, Fred. We are not the most powerful nation on earth today.
Our decline from economic superiority started the day the gold standard was
stolen from us in 1934. We are a net debtor nation today. We are no longer
a Constitutional Republic; we are now a foreign-bankster-controlled federal
republic just like all the other western nations. In any event, the
question of whether we or any other nation is "the most powerful on the
earth" militarily *or* economically has been rendered moot by the total
control of our economy by the world banking cartel. Whoever is "most
powerful" is whoever they want to *think* is most powerful at the moment.
Lately it was our turn to be the tough guy in the Persian Gulf at their
whim. You won't win support for our fraudulent monetary system with *that*
argument.
Message: 80311
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: THE DOLLAR! 1/2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:37:24
FS> Don't you understand?? GOLD is just one more COMMODITY.
Don't *you* understand, Fred? Gold (and silver) are *not* "just one more
commodity." There is a difference: they have stable value in the
marketplace. Their value is even *more* stable when they are minted into
coins of specified value, regardless of what arbitrary 'value' government
places upon them.
Haven't you figured it out yet, Fred? An American "dollar" is 25.8 grains
of gold .9 fine and 371.25 grains of silver .9 fine. That's *ALL* a
"dollar" is. There is nothing else which constitutes a "dollar." When you
talk about gold being worth more elsewhere than it is here, you are saying
the "dollar" is worth more elsewhere than it is here. If gold is worth more
elsewhere, then American gold coins have GREATER PURCHASING POWER ELSEWHERE!
Now, if you are dumb enough (and our gov't is, obviously) to give foreign
interests gold and take back worthless paper or some other commodity of less
intrinsic value in supposedly equal exchange, then of *course* you are going
to have a "gold drain" that will destroy our economy. And of *course* you
will be able to say to the people "Gee, we have a gold drain; we're going to
have to get rid of the gold standard."
Message: 80312
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: THE DOLLAR! 2/2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:38:14
Well, guess what, Fred? They lied to you. THEY DIDN'T DO AWAY WITH THE
GOLD STANDARD FOR FOREIGN EXCHANGE PAYMENTS! THEY ONLY DID AWAY WITH IT FOR
YOU AND ME AND THE REST OF THE AMERICANS WHO BOUGHT THEIR LIES HOOK, LINE,
AND SINKER!
Go read the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. It specifically EXEMPTS CURRENCY from
its provisions. Yet, thanks to Roosevelt's packed Supreme Court, they won't
redeem frns in gold or silver when you and I take them to the bank. BUT
THEY WILL WHEN A FOREIGN GOV'T WANTS TO REDEEM THEM! -- that is, if our
gov't can't convince the foreign gov't to accept 16 times that much foreign
aid in frns instead. And usually it does convince them. Are you beginning
to get the picture?
This information is my opinion based upon my research and is expressed here
as an exercise of my inherited and unalienable right to political free
speech. I do not give legal advice.
Message: 80313
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: What to do?
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:39:13
RW> As far as a conspiracy by the ruling class against the working
RW> class...when hasn't there been one? And the working class always has
RW> their conspiracy against the ruling class. It never ends. What can I
RW> do to help?
The first thing you can do is get out of your bank -- all banks. Every one
frn you *don't* deposit deprives them of 9,000 dollars plus interest in your
real labor. If you do not have a bank account you are no longer subject to
the Bank Secrecy Act, which courts have ruled makes banks "agents in the
government surveillance of the private financial affairs of citizens," and
which obviates the need for a search warrant to examine your private
financial records.
Get out of all credit, which brings one under the 'Law Merchant'
jurisdiction (equity). Find out what else you have to do to become a
natural individual at law instead of a juristic person existing at the
pleasure of gov't.
Join an association such as the NCBA and put your money where your mouth is
in support of very effective court challenges to unlawful gov't. I can mail
you literature if you want it.
Message: 80314
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Social Director?!!
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 07:40:48
RW> The money for the 'switchboard' for the welfare recipients would
RW> already be there. I was just going on the theory that 50 can live as
RW> cheaply as 10.
They can't. Nor can 50 own property as efficiently as one.
RW> Also stop building the B1 bomber, use the money for social programs
RW> instead.
Government funded social programs -- i.e., social programs funded by
unlawful robbery from the labor of the people -- is what got us into this
mess. If we want legitimate government and not a corporate management
system to the benefit of the banksters, we need to stop gov't involvement in
matters which do not lawfully concern government. Government has no lawful
business in "social programs."
RW> What this country needs is a good social director, someone who has
RW> 'spirit' and one who can makes us smile.
What this country needs is considerably fewer "social directors" paid for
out of the labor of a few of the people for the benefit of those who don't
produce. Legitimate government -- gov't which minds its own business of
governing and stays out of mine -- would make me smile.
Message: 80315
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: War!
Subject: Ann - 1/2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:30:57
> You can dish it out but can't take it. Remember, you said of
> one of my post that is was baloney. I think you like to argue
> for argument's sake. Talk about no point.
I know I said yesterday's post was my last to you on the subject,
but...
What I refuse to take is your name-calling. I responded to one of
Felix's posts with "Baloney!", but have done nothing of the kind with any of
yours.
> I think you like to argue for argument's sake. Talk about no
> point.
Were this the case I'd still be discussing the topics of substance
with you.
Ann, it is no use trying to make any point with you. As soon as
someone makes a substantive refutation of something you've said, you change
the subject.
In this case, rather than reply to my points, you went to a third
party and accused me of being a liar. And when I accuse you of this, you
again ignore the point and respond as you did yesterday.
Message: 80316
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: War!
Subject: Ann - 2/2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:31:18
Your name-calling is a clear violation of the ules, but since it
is directed toward a SysOp the violation will likely go unpunished simply so
all of us SysOps -- Mighty and Cub alike -- can avoid charges of censorship.
That's fine with me. I expected to take a few unjustified shots when I
agreed to be a Cub Sysop. It does, however, make it easier to understand
why Cliff goes on those occasional Maybe-I-should-take-the-system-down
binges.
At least most of Apollo's users, when they feel it necessary to
attack another personally, go after their victim directly rather than
attempting to draw in others by saying, "Have you noticed what a scum sucker
So-and-so is?"
Message: 80317
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul - Certainty
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:31:41
> How can you say that noone, even Earvin Johnson (the magic has
> gone out) knows how he contracted HIV, when he himself has
> stated that he got it through heterosexual contact?
I don't believe Magic (The "Magic" has no more gone out than the '69
Mets will ever be any less than "Amazing.") has said any such thing, Paul.
I believe he or a spokesman has alluded to having had "unprotected sex," but
I'm not sure the issue of what kind of sex that was has been directly
settled.
As I said yesterday, it seems very, very likely that Magic's HIV
contamination came from heterosexual activity, but I don't think anyone can
PROVE, and therefore say with any finality, how it occurred.
If you can cite quotes and sources, I'll be happy to recant.
Message: 80318
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod-NEY! Rod-NEY!
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:32:17
I have to agree with Nick, Rod. Sometimes you roam far afield, but when you
get to the point it's been well and effectively made.
Message: 80319
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mr. Sysop
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:43:26
Lessee. There are how many HIV positive folks out there ? So far EVERYONE
who test positive with HIV will die. I have heard there are 2 million cases.
Lessee, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that 2 million casualties is
going to cost a lot of money. And if you think you aren't going to pay for
it, then you are hiding your head in the sand.
Message: 80320
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Archi/Soviet Gold
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:48:27
Perhaps the Soviets have noticed you can't eat gold and farmers are smarter
than that. They own the real gold.
Message: 80321
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Archi/Inflation
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 08:53:11
A little inflation is a good thing. Deflation or no inflation is bad.
Excessive inflation is bad. Therefore a gold standard is ludicrous.
The trick is to keep the inflation rate to a reasonable level. I would argue
that we have managed to do that over the last several years.
Message: 80322
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Arch-Lemme Get This
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:03:28
...Straight
So, if I understand you correctly, the Banksters (An amusing and
alliterative term. I like it, although you shouldn't construe that to mean
I think it's valid.), while sitting on the world's gold and silver
resources, have foisted all this fake money on us and have no expectation of
payment in any kind of real money. Their payoff -- the REAL payoff -- will
come when the Mother Nature of the Economic World decides to strike back,
causing our counterfeit economy to collapse.
The Banksters will then truly be in charge because they'll have the
only true source of wealth, the world's gold and silver supplies.
Additionally, in order to accomplish this charade, they have
completely subverted our form of government.
The only way to protect one's self from the coming catastrophe is to
have one's own gold and silver reserves.
It that it, basically?
Message: 80323
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Arch-Stand of Living
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:04:02
> Sure, we have a better living standard. But we haven't
> "earned" it, we haven't "achieved" it -- we've borrowed it from
> the future.
If have more that we did in the past, as you've agreed, and are
simultaneously paying more for it than we were, as you've also agreed, how
is that you can say anything has changed? Our money would have been
devalued only if we had more, but were paying the same amount, which is
exactly what you seem to be advocating.
Message: 80324
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill on calling
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:30:28
Show me the post where I called you a lier. I told Cat that you thought it
was OK to lie to the kids. That's all.
I had to laugh when you said .. " As soon as someone makes a substantive
refutation of something you've said ...." When I make a 'substantive
refutation of something you said - you say "Baloney"!
Message: 80325
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill the sysop
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:33:47
This board belongs to Cliff. He is my sysop, not you. Don't threaten me.
If you cannot take what you dish out, then step down and let someone else
take over. I told you I didn't call you or anyone else names. Show me or get
off the pot! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 80326
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:35:15
Watch it Green - telling the little cub sysop he has his head in the sand.
You'll end up in trouble. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 80327
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon on your 2
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 09:36:48
Good god Gordon, I already said/answered all of that and don't intend to go
into it again. In fact, no more AIDS talk from me. Lets go on to something
else. OK? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 80328
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 10:14:37
I didn't see where you answered *all* of that. Though I have to say you
gave us enough information to make a fair *guess* at what your answers would
have been.
My guess at your answer to the last question is "yes".
Message: 80329
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mr Lantern
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 12:52:18
Re: My head in the sand....
I *KNOW* I am paying for it you Mr. Bulb. This is what I am griping
about.... I should not have to pay for OTHER peoples immorality! This is
why I think the media is hyping the AIDS virus. To get MORE of my TAX
dollar money swung into AIDS research, even if that means dropping other
needed research. And, they wish to do this with PUBLIC support by
overstating the facts.
All these millions of AIDS people ain't going to hit the hospitals
at once... it is spread out over time, and the system will absorb them.
Maybe the worst violators of drugs and multiple sex partner people will die
off, and the numbers will shrink in time. Thus leaving the clean, moral
people to inherit the earth.
I myself do not feel THREATENED by the AIDS virus. Do you?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif-
Message: 80330
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Cub Sysop
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 13:05:18
I was under the distinct impression it was the Big Sysop, not the Cub Sysop
that I made the remark to.
Message: 80332
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sysop/Paying
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 13:09:24
Re: do I feel threatened ?
Only when the toilet seat I just sat on is wet.
Message: 80333
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 15:32:45
Oh, one other question... but not about AIDS! You mentioned a couple of
women friends who never used to sleep around, but now they've started to. I
found this interesting, because they are bucking the trend of the last
several years for people to sleep around less. Even before AIDS came along,
people were starting to get nervous about herpes. (Does anyone remember
herpes?)
I'm sure a bad economy has a depressing effect on sexual activity as well.
We've all noticed how low those hemlines are.
A trend is just a trend, and doesn't mean that every individual is going to
follow it -- as your friends obviously haven't. So I was curious to know if
these women's conversion to sleeping around was attributable to some
particular circumstance in their own lives. The obvious one that came to
mind was that perhaps they used to be happily married and/or idealistic, and
now they've become dissatisfied or disillusioned with a steady relationship.
Message: 80334
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: News Today
Subject: JM/Newspapers (1/2)
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 15:33:40
On this trip I saw mainly French and British newspapers, though there was
also the Herald Tribune (as I mentioned). But I also saw copies of Italian
and German newspapers lying around, and even without reading them it isn't
hard to see what's taking up headline space on the front page. So my
perception was based on a reasonable cross-section of newspapers from
Western European countries.
Naturally European newspapers have a great deal more to say about their own
domestic affairs than an American newspaper would, and in this case it's
fair to point out that Yugoslavia is a lot closer to those countries than it
is to the U.S. Still, Yugoslavia seems a moderately long way away from,
say, Britain or France. I know this is a subjective impression, but it's
based partly on distance (Europe operates to smaller scales than the U.S.),
on the existence of a couple of countries in between, the relative political
isolation of Yugoslavia as a nonaligned Communist country and non-member of
the EC, and so forth.
The distance of Nicaragua from the U.S. is a good comparison. I don't know
how much coverage European newspapers gave of the Nicaraguan war, but I
would say that European coverage of the Yugoslavian events is better than
American coverage of the Nicaraguan events. Both U.S. and European
newspapers like to cover domestic affairs in detail, plus any major world
events and anything unusual or (of course) sensational. The real difference
seems to be the greater patchiness of foreign coverage in U.S. newspapers.
Message: 80335
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: News Today
Subject: JM/Newspapers (2/2)
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 15:34:42
As an example, most Western European newspapers provide detailed daily
coverage of significant political events in the U.S., but whole days can go
by when some American newspapers do little or nothing to return the favor --
even considering "Western Europe" as a sort of collective unit.
It isn't just a question of distance. Coverage is uneven. We see little
about Uruguay or even Honduras, although they're on our own side of the
world. There's more about the Philippines, say. We see a fair amount about
U.S. allies or military rivals, or ex-rivals, the breakup of the Communist
empire, the Middle East, and so forth. India's too big to be avoided
altogether, but Dahomey isn't. There always seemed to be a lot more about
the old West Germany than there was about France or Italy, for some reason.
And we hear a lot about Japan, but little of it tells us what's going on
inside Japan. Most of it is about trade arguments *with* Japan. And you
can't hope to keep even slightly in touch with what's happening in Greece or
Australia or Iceland through a U.S. newspaper. I think European newspapers
display a better sense of global community, of the fact that there *are*
other countries outside themselves. It's not just war coverage, but
reporting what's going on in general. Not that any newspaper can cover
every country in the world every day, but they can do it in rotation. Yet
it's only very recently that U.S. newspapers noticed there was anything at
all going on in Indonesia, because some Americans got beaten up there. How
many people noticed that there's no longer a place called Burma? And when's
the last time we heard about *anything* that happened in Mongolia?
Message: 80336
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JMatlock/Aids/Promis
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 16:20:41
As far as measures of promiscuityare concerned, I have heard on more then
one occassion that a great many gay hangouts for promiscuous sex, i.e.,
Bathhouses, have gone out of business. That alone would indicate a shift in
lifestyle away from promiscuity. I have also heard that the "spread" of
aids had slowed quite a bit amounst gays which would also indicate a change
in behaviour patterns. I would think it safe to say that there *has* been a
change in the behaviour of gays in response to the AIDS epidemic.
s
Message: 80337
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/Righteous Peopl
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 16:23:59
Can someone who does not believe in GOD be a righteous person?
Message: 80338
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Aids research
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 16:29:12
Ann, Mike, I still have seen no indication that any large sums of money have
been pulled off of other research. Nor have I seen any indication that
there is some terrible repercussions of whatever the current levels of
spending are for all the various diseases. In my view, much of the
"research" spending on the various diseases is political anyways and from my
own experiance with research funding and spending, the vast bulk of research
money is wasted on non-productive work intended mainly to keep the
researchers employed. Particularly research that is gvt funded.
Message: 80339
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Aids no Effect
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 16:31:46
Good point Gordon.!~
Message: 80340
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Medium of Exch/Arch
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 16:43:12
I still see no evidence of the "gold standard" working "so well" compared to
how much better the average man was able to live AFTER we went OFF the gold
standard. You seem more concerned with presevring the fortunes of the
wealthy thru a "gold standard" then providing a robust economy to the
masses. A "stable" ecomony with everyone at the poverty level is not my
idea of nirvana but could easily be achieved with a "gold standard". I
remain on the opinion that you are promoting a gold standard when what you
are really desirous of is a decent government. If we could get a decent gvt
the gold standard would not be needed.
Message: 80341
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Answer!
Subject: Lantern's wet seat
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 17:59:15
Do you have any cuts on your.. bottom.. that would cause you to
worry? You could try drying the seat first if you feel threatened or go
elsewhere.
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Message: 80342
Author: James Matlock
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 18:50:41
Yes Green, or switch to an electric shaver. :)
Message: 80343
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Archi' reserve
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:05:44
So, Mr. Archimedes, are you going to get a federally-issued license in order
to operate HAM radio gear? Why don't you just power it on yourself and
refuse to enter an equity relationship?
I'm sorry, but your explanation of how we can personally and individually
owe for money received for goods and services received doesn't make sense.
Oh, and about not "owning" land -- when did land transfers become invalid?
Should I be able to do a title search, find the last "legal" transaction on
a piece of land, and therefor determine the "true current owner" -- or did
the fact that the transfer was "paid" with paper money automatically make
the owner be the federal reserve?
Message: 80344
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Russian gold
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:08:06
If they are sitting on so much gold, then why didn't the World Bank or some
other minion of the New World Order demand it in turn for 'hard currency' ?
Message: 80345
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:27:35
Re: I love these guys who think AIDS is not going affect them.
Did I say "affected?" I meant "infected."
Message: 80346
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:29:12
Re: If I recall correctly, you predicted our hospitals were going to
be full of G.I.s from the Iraq war... along with many thousands of body
bags.
Our Mr. Lantern is a real "doomsday" type guy huh?
Message: 80347
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 20:35:13
Re: I do think that an immoral person is one that believes that people
deserve to die because of their sexual behavior.
Are you talking about abortion?
Message: 80348
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Fred/Righteous
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 21:24:55
Sure ! I am !
Message: 80349
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Question?
Subject: Sysop's wet arse
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 21:28:13
This conversation has definitely taken a turn for the worse. I refuse to
discuss the quality of my um... bottom ...
Message: 80350
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Felix/body count
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 21:31:49
If you enter a war expecting not to suffer casualties, you are a fool. A
wise man counts the cost before entering into a situation. Fools rush in
where angels fear to tread.
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4:A primary reason I took my vacation from this board is that I was going
5:through a lot of internal changes and I had not yet landed.
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Author: $ Green Lantern
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Date: 12/05/91 Time: 21:28:1
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Author: $ Rod Williams
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Date: 12/05/91 Time: 23:00:52
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Message: 80352
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: WAR
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 23:05:37
I hope peace and learning come from the rift between several people on this
board.
A primary reason I took my vacation from this board is that I was going
through a lot of internal changes and I had not yet landed.
This happens every so often. I had been having nightly discussions with a
friend and we talked about everything thus my understanding of many subjects
broadened somewhat.
Message: 80353
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Felix
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 23:06:45
Felix Cat:
Re: Safe from AIDS
Do you or your friends go to a
No one is safe from the dreaded AIDS.
I wonder what they were talking about in Europe in 1348? Do you know?
Go to the country, those dwellers are usually the last to succumb to
the current hysteria, disease wise. Then think of dying quietly in
your sleep but think of dying because until you accept it, it will be
a threat. By the way, AIDS patients usually die quietly in their
sleep. I'm sure my last moments in my physical form will be very
quiet, even if a battle is raging wild. Death is better than all of
the physical climaxes in the world, if they happened all at the same
moment. -Rod
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Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Felix
Date: 12/05/91 Time: 23:06:45
Felix Cat:
Re: Safe from AIDS
Do you or your friends go to a
No one is safe from the dreaded AIDS.
I wonder what they were talking about in Europe in 1348? Do you know?
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3:If Ann is kicking the nicotene habit perhaps she is going through a lot of
4:physical as well as emotional changes. Sometimes she smacks a point with
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