Apollo BBS Archive - December 1991

Apollo BBS Archive - December 21, 1991


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A Child will be  born for us, a Son will be given to us, and the government
will be on His shoulder, and He will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty
God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace...And  this is  how you will  know
Him: you will find a Baby all wrapped up and lying in a manger.

Mail from Pete Fischer
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 21:18:16

I'll be very priviledged (boy I wish this thing had a spell checker) to
return to the house of Rod. There will be some "pesky relatives" in town
this week, and I will have to hang out with 'em. But they seem to go to bed
early (old folks, y'unnerstan). Anyways, I'll be in touch. Pete
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:But you didn't answer my question about Petrisko?  I was taught that all 
 2:Commies, atheists, people of different skin color or those who spoke foreign
 3:languages should be executed for the good of the state.  Besides, Petey 
 4:would then become a martyr.  Press coverage, whether favorable or not is 
 5:still publicity.  We would be doing him a favor.
 6:
 7:It will be good to see you.
 8:
 9:                                Rod

Late Night Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 2101
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Yawn...
Subject: what?
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 00:54:52

Did Melissa cuss?  Oh no.  Another honeymoon sex story?  Yay.  C'mon,
Melissa, you know Cliff's kids like to get on the LATE night sig all the
time.  You should know better.

Message: 2102
Author: $ Travis SysOp
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Zak?
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 12:29:25

        Yes we do  And, since we are sysops with invisible powers, we
can be in this sig at any time of day or night.  Who are you by the way?
I can see by your profile, you are an OLD user   Poor ->old<- man.

        The only sigs we are locked out of are cosmos and old fart and
conference room.

        When we take over Apollo, we will be on them as well
                        Mr T-ravis

Message: 2103
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Answer!
Subject: Who is Zak!
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 23:09:26

Actually, Mr. Travis Sysop, Zak is about your age.

Late Night Bulletin Board command:EC

You chose Chit-Chat

Subject:Travis

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:That message wasn't very Christian of you.  Respect your elders.  But there 
 2:are many more that apply if you know your Bible.
 3:Be good little children.
 4:end

Edit command:S

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Message: 80732
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod--last
Date: 12/21/91  Time: 22:00:19

Cheesy.

Message: 80733
Author: James Matlock
Category: Answer!
Subject: Latin
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 00:01:21

The thing that makes Latin so intimidating and impressive is omne ignotum
pro magnifico.

Message: 80734
Author: James Matlock
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak/last
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 00:04:39

Now listen, you sniveling galactophage...

Message: 80735
Author: James Matlock
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Latin
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 00:42:06

Sibile, sibile, si ergo
fortibus es inero.
Nobile, Nobile, demis trux;
inem deris causen dux.

Message: 80736
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Matlock
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 00:52:57

Yes?

Message: 80737
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Log in Header
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 02:53:56

        Just in case you did not knotice the   d 9
                                               w 1 
        in the top center of the log in header,
        it was done by Daryl Westfall.

                *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 80738
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Login Header
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 05:31:57

 Very nicely done, and appreciated by this believer.

Message: 80739
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green-Latin, Pig
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 06:41:30

All I remember from "I Claudius" (or "I Clavdivs," as we like to call it) is
"Yo!  Urethra!  Pass the grapes!  Wow!  Lookathat babe dance!"

Message: 80740
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 09:18:50

Good little keyboard Christmas drawing. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 80741
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Header
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 09:29:39

Oh, thanks for the explanation.  I thought I had logged on to The Ark there
for a minute...

:>

Message: 80742
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Christmas drawing
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 13:04:09

I second Ann's comments on the Christmas drawing.  Nice sentiment.  Thanks.

Message: 80743
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Answer!
Subject: ARch1/4
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 14:04:29

Why involve the gvt in the currency??  I imagine you must have heard these
reasons before - to have some sort of stability between the states, to have
some confidence in the 'value' of the money, and to promote/faciltiate
foreign trade.
  Your proposal that supposedly would get the gvt out of the currency
system would inevitably drag it back in.  After all, who is going to make
sure all those people, banks, businesses issuing "backed" currency really
have the backing?  Who is going to make sure all those scales used to
weight coins are REALLY accurate??  And on and on.  With a little thought,
it is immediately obvious why a "valueless" in the absolute sense, currency
is actually a "better" currency.
  And then, as you latter said, we can do pretty much what you want to do
anyways, if we want to.  Then you launch off into an attack on the IRS.
Unless your objection is simply to the paying of taxes, for whatever
reason, I see no basis for your attack on the IRS as somehow messing up the
system you want.  All the IRS is going to do is tax you on your income.  If
there is (and there is) some current way to equate income in "value" to
income in FRNs then you can pay your taxes appropriately and aside from
that one transaction, never have to deal with FRNs.   And of course, you
don't really have to deal with FRNs, you can pay by check.  (Yes I know
there are other taxes, but the same thing applies to them).
     Once again, your objections are stated in terms of our currency but
your real objection remains that fact that the gvt isn't doing things
exactly the way you think they should,not the currency being use.

Message: 80744
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Answer!
Subject: Arch2/4
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 14:05:08

     Why does the gvt disregard "value" in setting "value" for tax purposes?
What would you have them do?  Force you to sell your house in order to
establish it's value??  They tax on the basis of currently expected value if
there was a willing buyer and willing seller.  In Arizona, the assesed
values have been dropping quite a bit due to the soft markets.  Of course,
they just raise the tax rate to make up for the drop in assesements so the
tax may or may not acutally go down.  I'm not sure I understand your
complaint!?!?!  Is it that you think they should have to stick with whatever
the orignal selling price was and never get to raise it from year to year as
the FRNs change in value??  That would not make sense.  Fairness requires
that everyone be taxed on the same basis and the only basis that really is
possible to apply to everyone is "current" value.  Of course, they have
chosen FRNs as the denomination but they could just have easily used
something else I suppose and then converted it later.  The result would be
the same.

Message: 80745
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Answer!
Subject: arch3/4
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 14:05:48

RE: Contracts must be in legal tender.
  I don't think that is correct.  I can agree to trade you my house for your
house and if we both think they are of equal value (no matter what
denomination) we can both execute deeds to transfer them to each other with
the operative clause in the deeds being "For 10 dollars and other valuble
consideration I hereby transfer......etc....."
  The only part of what you suggest touches on the truth is that the gvt
requires an affidavit of value form be filed for property tax purposes.  If
both parties argree that the houses are of equal value then both affidavits
would show the same "value" in terms of FRNs and it would need to be
something reasonable for the current market.
  In regard to rental agreements, I think most use FRNs for the denomination
but they don't have to as far as I know.  In fact, I do know that some
rental agreements include both FRNs and "service", i.e., a small apartment
complex may have a rental agreement for one unit for the tenants to pay
rent for $xxx amount AND to act as agents for the owner for collecting rents
from the other tenants and to handle repairs.  It is my guess (I am not a
lawyer and don't give advise) that in that situation the only thing that
would show up on the Tax returns would be the FRN amounts.  The "labor"
amounts would not show up on either the APt owners forms or the tenants
forms.

Message: 80746
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Answer!
Subject: Arch 4/4
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 14:06:49

     RE:  ownership of gold, etc==> You've gone off the deep end.  I realize
that you view "ownership" of most things as a fiction due to the possiblity
of it being sold for taxes, particularly real property.  I agree with you
that you can lose ownership that way and that there is emminent domain
losses, etc, but view your view as going outside the bounds of reason.  We
just have a view of things in that regard.  If property could not be sold
for
taxes (and aside from the question of should there be taxes at all) what
would lthe option be???  If you can't compel taxes thru sale who would pay?
     As to owning gold, I'm completely lost on that as I see no restriction
at all on people owning all the gold they want.  In fact, there is less
restriction since it isn't even subject to continuing tax the way property
is
so you can accumulate all you want with out fear of having to sell it to pay
the taxes.
     As to not being able to transfer ownership of gold becuase you have to
use FRNs - that's nonsense.  Nothing compells you to use FRNs to buy gold.
Raise wheat and trade if for gold if you want.  I suspect your real
objection
is that the sale may be subject to a tax.  Again, you are confusing your
objects of objection.  You simply are looking for any and all excuses to try
and scuttle the tax system.  Since the system treats us all the same I see
no
logic to your complaints - it seems to me you are just looking for some way
to pay less tax on the same transaction as others because you DON"T use FRNs
and others DO.  You want to pretend you are dealing in 1901 value when
others
are at 1991 value.

Message: 80748
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: For sale
Subject: Star Ship Enterprise
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 15:26:21

        The Franklin Mint Star Ship N.C.C. 1701 (the first one) made in
pewter and original cost 200.00 FRNs

        For sale for 150.00 FRNs or 30 ounces of .999 fine silver 

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 80749
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: FRNs.
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 15:28:59

If our economy gets so bad that in order to survive we need gold or
silver then I would rather quietly check out of this planet than stick
around and watch the misery unfold.  Death before squalor.  -Rod


Message: 80751
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill/Clavdivs
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 15:40:32

Yes, one more reason for the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of
Right-wing Republicanism.

Message: 80752
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hello, again.
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 20:07:25

Merry Christmas.
MERRY Christmas.
Merry CHRISTMAS.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
 
Merry CHRISTmas.
 
Daryl

Message: 80753
Author: James Matlock
Category: Question?
Subject: Roger
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 21:33:23

Mvft yov vfe all of thofe archaic fpelling conventionf?  

Message: 80754
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: News Today
Subject: Story
Date: 12/23/91  Time: 00:22:05

              THE STORY OF WINTER SOLSTICE   by Rod 

It was cold and dark.  The tribe was cold and hungry.  They have been
noticing the recession of the Sun and again they worried if it might not
come back.

The food they had gathered when the plants were plentiful was running low.
The old ones, those who had made it around the Sun 35 times or more, were
asked for their opinion of what to do.

Thus the early ancients huddled together around the early evening
campfire.  All stories of past knowledge were brought into the discussion
and plans for the tribes continued survival were formulated.

The paranoids of the group told of how they had beaten on hollow logs in
the forest in order to make the Sun disk take notice and return.  It always
worked.

The moderates did not know enough about motion of the heavenly bodies to
say one way or the other.  So they beat while other tribes may have burnt
pungent leaves and twigs to entice old Sol.

Eventually mathematicians calculated planetary motion which led to people
relaxing their superstitious stance and found themselves free to celebrate. 
And celebrate we did.  Having parties and giving gifts and some of us
getting drunk while others just burnt the yule log.

Solstice is the natural day of celebration for humankind.  Alas, The Sun
Returneth!  It needs no gods to appease or be fearful of.

HAVE A MERRY SOLSTICE SEASON AND MAY YOU FIND WARMTH.  -Rod

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Message: 8759
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Entertainment
Subject: Bill Burkett - cub
Date: 12/21/91  Time: 19:54:45

> No, but you can be my little brownie.
 
That sounds gross.

Message: 8761
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 06:41:55

Thank you.

Message: 8762
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Zak
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 11:18:25

I think I ran into Zak's evil twin yesterday.  
 
Looked kind of like him.  A little taller and older.  He was talking JUST
like him though.  Scary.  He claimed that someone had slipped into his house
and drugged his soup.  And that the police or FBI were planting things in
his house so they could frame him.  
 
Is this what Zak has to look forward to?

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Message: 5281
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: no short term memory
Date: 12/21/91  Time: 21:39:06

RE: Melissa, the guy who played piano and then "snapped."  You should read
Oliver Sacks' _The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat_.  Really neat book.

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Message: 1563
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
Subject: Rod on Crash Worship
Date: 12/21/91  Time: 21:47:55

Peter and me saw Crash Worship perform in Tucson. They were ... interesting.
Basically a bunch of rich kids playing "Lord of the Flies." But, they know
how to create audience participation.
     What other industrial music do you like, Roddy?

Message: 1564
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: New-Release
Subject: The Orb
Date: 12/21/91  Time: 21:52:02

The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" (or something) is a really neat
acid-house/industrial/dance band.  They sample, they have lots of weird
sounds, good throbbing beats, a reggae-ish song, Tangerine-Dream type
computer sequences... There is even a 15+ minute song that is a long,
hypnotic, sample-full mess of sound that is very enjoyable to have going in
the background while trying to do homework. 
     The import version is a double CD, but domestically it's a single.  The
import is supposed to have the best, and weirdest, stuff on it, but it'll be
extrememly difficult to find, and probably too expensive. Too bad.

Message: 1565
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
Subject: Orb
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 06:42:23

I like that "little puffy clouds" thing they do with the Ricky Lee Jones
sample.  Makes me wanna cry, though.  Reminds me of the desert and,
therefore, my dear, departed jeep.  Reminds me of how blue the sky USED to
be; the kind of unfathomably deep sapphire blue you still see in the White
Mountains.  Sometimes.

Message: 1566
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
Subject: Last
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 09:27:19

I heard that Ricky Lee Jones might sue them for sampling her voice.

Message: 1567
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Disk Jockey
Subject: Zak / last
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 15:30:27

My musical tastes go from the Doors to Dylan to Donovan to the Dead,
anything that starts with a "D".  However I have allowed a "C" in
there because I thought there might be other sounds that were
interesting.  I saw Crash Worship at Peter's Gallery X last summer and
I was mentally and physically drawn into the music.  I found it
difficult to resist after stepping into the back room where they were
playing.  I could not stand still and actually I loved the all
encompassing sound.  Sort of like a climax of the mind.

I also have some European experimental music that I like to put on
when my mind is in tune to the higher vibrations.  This includes
Zoviet France and Whitehouse.  

Message: 1568
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
Subject: Last / With a "D"
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 20:00:58

'DeGarmo & Key' starts with a "D"...
 
So does Dino Kartonsakis...
 
Message: 1569
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
Subject: Daryl/D/last
Date: 12/23/91  Time: 00:19:55

So does "Devil".


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Mail from James Hawley
Date: 12/22/91  Time: 11:16:21

I think everybody eats Fido if they get hungry enough.  Ummmmm, special
tamales!

Goodbye, Rod Williams
You were on 02:04

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