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I've never broken a wheel in my life. Unlike you.
Too damn busy this week. Getting tired of working, plus been waking up with
sinus headaches, or something. Maybe AIDS, I don't know.
If you HAD a pussy, I might eat it. You MIGHT have a pussy, but it's the{
blow up kind. (With the vibrating VAGINA-MATIC). "Better than the reel
thing!"
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Message: 80715
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
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Date: 12/21/91 Time: 05:35:25
> What I am trying to say (I think) is that to meet and know
> these people who know, makes it more believable.
Well, of course it does. That's a fundamental of human communication.
Anytime one meets another, even a bitter and traditional enemy, and begins
to see that they have more in common than they have differences it's easier
to see the other's point of view. That does not, however, make that point
of view any more correct or plausible. The trick is to separate empathy
from the$,kV-,HK$]4e situation.
> Though out history, people have always scoffed at things about
> to happen as foolishness... are you going to be one of them?
Thanks for not asking any loaded questions.
Message: 80716
Author: $ Bill BurkeTt{
Category: Politics
Subject: Green - Romish
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 05:35:52
> What is the old Roman saying ? "Post hoc, ex propter hoc ?"
I don't know. I watched "I, Claudius" but didn't pick up much of the
language.
Message: 80717
Author: James Matlock
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: death
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 06:14:06
"I'm not frightened of death. I just don't want to be there when it
happens." -- Woody Allen
"Death implies change and individuality; if thou be
THAT which hath no person, which is beyond the
changing, even beyond changelessness, what hast
thou to do with death?
The birth of individuality is ecstacy; so also is its
death.
{{In love the individuality is slain; who loves not love?
Love death therefore, and long eagerly for it.
Die Daily." -- Aleister Crowley
"Oy! Oy! Oy! O--GACK!" -- Australian footballer "Jocko" interrupted
during an EverecDrQQIe=55I
%al by a crossbow bolt through the neck.
Message: 80718
Author: James Matlock
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: {{{sort of relevant
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 06:41:37
...in an indirect way to what we hBI9"%M
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governments and personal liberty. As long as I was thumbing through
_The Book of Lies_ (which is where I got the other A.C. pieaERJ 5 Q)'
post one more poem, if for no other reason (as Cliff says) than because I
like it:
I am not an Anarchist in *your* sense of the word:
your brain is too dense for any known explosive
to affect it.
I am not an Anarchist in your sense of the word:
fancy a Policeman let loose on Society!
While there exists the burViW.Kthe hunting man, or
any man with idgAXMbMM"!9+
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DiW,Z8line less than Loyola's -- in short, any man
who falls far short of MYSELF -- I am against
Anarchy, and for Feudalism.
Every "emancipator" has enslaved the free.
Message: 80719
Author: James Matlock
Category: In search of
Subject: ???
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 07:08:32
Free association has brought to mind another `oN51"!%Mz9e"!Qz
fellow Mark Adkins:
If eyes are the mirror of the soul
Hers are jet black onyx
Black obsidian
The color of midnight in a lonely place
Desert fires burning on the horizon
A lighthouse seen from a derelict raft
on the open sea
A single candle in a border watchtower
I feel myself being swallowed up
Falling through chasms of endless night
The cold wind sw%eys up from below
Thrilling me through with ecstacy
I live and die a thousand times
Message: 80720
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: CP5Q+w
Subject: Rod #80714
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 09:43:04
Very good Rod. I certainly don't want to hide in the closet.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 80721
Author: $ Beauregard Do'{
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Post hoc et cetera
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 10:22:07
I think it is "Post hoc, ergo procter hoc" -- and it is representative of
the way too many people think.
(It means "After this, therefore because of this" e.g., the Federal Reserve
was created, then we had the Great Depression. Therefore...)
Message: 80722
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Value at law
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 11:23:40
FS> Value = The{ selling price - what a freely acting buyer and freely
FS> acting seller agree to.
Very good. I might suggest that these days, the concept of a "freely acting
buyer" and a "freely acting seller" is almost obsolete, but that would get
into splitting hairs, so I won't quibble. Your definition is the textbook
definition, and that's what I wanted to reach. It *is* the standard 'at
law' definition of 'value.' [This is my opinion based upon my research. I
do not give legal advice.]
Now, then: How do you account for gov't's apparent power to disregard that
standard of value when they assess you for taxes on that property? In other
words, by what authority does gov't -- or some non-government entity such as
the IRS -- arbitrarily disregard that standard of value which is the
standard of law, and assess yo5 }axes on what *they* think the property is
worth?
Message: 80723
Author: $ ar-ZMedes
Category: Politics
Subject: Specific medium
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 11:24:52
FS> How to denominate it = Doesn't matter. Can be whatever the buyer and
FS> seller agree to be it dollars, seashells, or ounces of gold.
Well, that may be how *you* choose to denominate it -- i.e., in anything the
buyer and seller agree to denominate it in -- but government isn't going to
enforce your cOn8ract, in the event of a dispute, unless you dYominate the
contract in legal tender. Or, alternatively, if2you have a contract in
something other than legal tender, and the person you have the contract with
chooses to pay you in legal tender, you have no recourse. Likewise, if you
have a contract which is denominated in(ldgal tender, or which omits any
mention of the medium of payment, and you choose to pay in something other
than legal tender, then the other party has right k&action against you to
force payment in legal tender. [This is my opinion based upon my research.
I do not give legal advice.]
Now, then: Do rental agreements of which you are aware specify the medium
of exchange? Do they use the words "legal tender of the United States," or,
when completed, do the9 zpecify that rental payments be in some quantity of
some medium? Do they use the '$' ('dollar sign'), for example, either the
'S' with one vertical bar through it(`K$]4e 'S' with two vertical bars
through it?
Message: 80724
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Own/Manage 1/2
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 11:26:12
FS> It's far to complicated to give a simple answer but generally I would
FS> tend to choose ownership as just being the manager is essentially just
FS> working for a living and you may not have a job tomorrow. Your
FS> "wealth" as a manager, is recLXez91eJ=UIR=
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FS> situations (like a seat on the Chicago Board of Trade, etc) can't be
FS> sold. So in that sense, being a manager really isn't wealth at all.
Very good again. Now, then: How do you feel about being prohibited, by
law, from "owning" any wealth? You don't own any, you realize. You may
manage wealth, but you may not own any today, under our laws. You have the
"privilege," I might add (only on good behavior), of "transferring" your
managership of wealth to someone else, or of arranging a transfer of
managership from someone else to you, so long as no real profit is taken.
But the transfer of managership over wealth is not the transfer of wealth.
Similarly (you mentioned ounces of gold dqrlier), you cannot purchase
ownership of ounces of gold, nor sell your ownership of ounces of gold
(because you don't have any ownership of gold). As mentioned earlier, a
transaction in which unbacked worthless paper money is the medium of
exchange does not constitute a transfer of ownership over anything of value,
because for ownership to transfer, an equal exchangw of value must occur in
both directions. Therefore such a transaction constitutes a transfer of
managership and nothing more -- the foreign owners of the FED,
Message: 80725
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Own/Manage 2/2
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 11:27:10
the banksters, own the property, and through their agents, the federal
gov't, will extend to you managership over that property (on good behavior)
so long as you pay a leasehold rental to them in taxes.
Believe it or not, as off-the-wall and convoluted as that sounds, it is the
way our system works today, and is the justification gov't has for
confiscating any daned property it wants to at any time, for any reason or
no reason, without a warrant showing probable cause of a criminal act or
even a criminal intent, and without just compensation for property taken for
public use.
This is the result of a medium of exchange based upon worthless paper-backed
debt money. Think about it.
[This is my opinion based upon my research. I do not give legal advice.]
Message: 80726
Author: $ Archi Medes
Category: Politics
Subject: Not minor!
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 11:28:29
FS> Your question remains meaningless. In total economic collapse, the
FS> issue of whether rent is collectable will be a minor point and it is
FS> unlikely the gvt could enfov#Yit's eddict even if it passed it.
Not the *least* *bit* minor! In total economic collapse the issue of
whether rent is collectible or not will be the difference between whether
millions and malmions of people are out on the street without shelter while
apartment houses and rental homes, etc., stand empty, or not. And *that*
will be the difference between whether those people thrown out on the street
form mobs and burn down whole cities or not.
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tenant now who refuses to pay rent, you have a legal procedure which you may
follow to get him out of there, and which prohibits him, jy!law, from coming
back. If this edict is issued under martial law, then gov't simply isn't
going to help you get him out of there. And if you take unilateral action
on your own to get him out, he can lawfully defend himself with force of
arms, and if you successfully get him out he can go to the military
authorities responsible for enforcing that edict and ask for the return of
his abode, and they will return it to him over your protests -- and throw
you in the brig. Under this edict, and for the duration of martial law, he
will have a legally superior right and interest in his abode over your
right, title, and interest in the property.
Message: 80727
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Death
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 15:07:55
I am with you and understand. A brillian insight --- thanks for sharing it
with us. Perhaps we will all be changed.
MM iB:B~
Author: $ Green La.tlrn
Category: Politics
Subject: Bill/Latin
Date: 12/21/91 Time>`LM 09:46
And Xl I remember from my two years of Latin in H{igh School is:
America est patria mea.
and--
Omnia Gallia en tres partes divisa est. --- Julius Caesar
Message: 80729
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau/Ex
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 15:14:08
Lessee. I want to say, From this, because of this
so it would be:
Ex hoc, propter hoc.
Perhaps that was what I was think of.
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Message: 80730
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green/death
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 18:17:22
You're welcome. I just had to mention it because the thought meant
so much to me. (I keep getting this gar-bage and I guess I haven
have not found the problem. Maybe I'll run a new line.
Thanks cGB%99~
Message: 80731
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James Matlock
Date: 12/21/91 Time: 18:19:38
A person who consumes a lot of alcohol is called an alcoholic.
What is a person called who drinks a lot of cow's milk?
A coward.
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