Apollo BBS Archive - December 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - December 3, 1988



Mail to Jim Lippard
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:45:43

                                November 22, 1988
      Thank you for your letter regarding drug legalization.  Your
letter was very thoughtful.
      By now, you know my position on legalizing drugs, and why I am
against it.  I disagree that legalization has worked in Holland. 
Moreover, I don't believe we can reduce crime by forbidding our police
from carrying weapons like the English Bobbies.
      Marijuana may be less dangerous than other drugs, but marijuana
is a "gateway" drug--one that can easily lead to abuse of other, more
dangerous substances.  Again, legalizing marijuana would not, in my
opinion, cause people to switch from alcohol to marijuana.
      Finally, I appreciate your concern for raising your family in a
healthy environment.  This was a very important concern for me when
our children were growing up.  We did a lot to educate our children
against drug or alcohol use.  I believe that drugs, from alcohol to
marijuana to the harder substances, all contribute to an unhealthy
environment for our children.  That's another reason I oppose
legalization.
      Again, thank you for your letter.  Please don't hesitate to
contact me if I can be of service.
                                    Sincerely,
                                    JON KYL
                                    Member of Congress
(The letter came this afternoon. - Rod) see my post on Prop. 106 Main Bd.

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Message: 4851
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: Certificate
Date: 12/02/88  Time: 23:10:33

  I shall treasure mine always.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 4852
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: Pictures
Date: 12/02/88  Time: 23:14:19

  Did you get them yet?
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 4853
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: award
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 06:40:41

Mine is hanging in the computer room.
              !!! SHOOT THEM ALL RALPH !!!

Message: 4854
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dean
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:26:18

        We received the Apollo GT Shoot-Out pictures yesturday.
Your captions on some of them were hilarious! Hahahaha-He-Ha ...
The pictures will have to be shown around at the next GT ....
        Worth the look people .....

        Had my Night Qualification Shoot last night, so was busy
getting ready. Looks like I passed ...... Should receive my EXPERT pin
tomorrow in class.
        Think everyone would have done better score wise if the moon was
out. My ..... shooting in complete darkness is spooky!

Message: 4855
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ralph
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:27:32

        If I visit you someday at your place, am I going to find
bullet holes in your Certificate?

Message: 1971
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Question?
Subject: last
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:28:05

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Message: 1972
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: slogan
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:00:39

Just say N(2)O.

Message: 1973
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Star TreK
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:33:52

        What do you mean Apollo does not have a vaporizing unit?
Why, we are working on such a thing right now .........
The only problem we see with such a unit installed on Apollo is the
sudden decrease in users. We also have no idea when the decline in
the number of users will level off.
        We are Treky fans and are not ashamed to copy from one of Star
Trek's episodes.

P.S. Any volunteers on trying out the vaporizing command when installed?

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 1:        I volunteer Todd Reese.
 2:                        Rod
 3:P.S.  There is no sound associated with one hand clapping unless you clap it
 4:against a tree or a drum or your head.....then there is sound.  Of course, 
 5:one hand swishing through the air would have a sound and if amplified could 
 6:be quite loud.
 7:end

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Message: 2396
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Thang!
Subject: last
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 04:19:34

Who told you?

Message: 2397
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question ?
Subject: Nick - your car.
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 09:20:29

Did it really brake down? 

Message: 2398
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Beyond...
Subject: Ann on Nick
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:39:17

        Ann, I think Nick took a walk one dark moonless night and couldn't
find himself for all his black clothing. When he did, he then had to find
his vehicle ..... which, I am assuming, he is doing at present. He had to
take a quick break from his search to get an Apollo 'FIX'.
        

Message: 2399
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer !
Subject: Nick's auto
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:51:27

        Nick would have any trouble finding his auto.  It is a vivid, glow
in the dark, pink.  I think his brakes are just fine.

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Message: 55854
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 12/02/88  Time: 23:04:02

Re:  "Well, Bob, did you really read this and where?"
        
Did I really read it??  I don't even remember saying it!  I must be getting
old.  If I said it, I probably read it in the Republic.

Message: 55855
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob, etc
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:26:39

Did you happen to see 20/20 last night?  In particular, the portion about
child-molesting Catholic priests.  It wasn't until the very end of the
article when the reporter explained to Hugh that the percentage of
child-molesting priests is no higher than that of the general public.
It would have been nice if they had told us that before they made the
Catholic church look like a church of child-molesters.

Message: 55856
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkhart
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:55:25

        The majority rules....  The majority voted in favor of that Property
appearance law about a year back.  You know the one, where on your oun
property, you must meet someone elses standards.  This law clearly violates
my right to do with my property as I wish.   But it is law because the
MAJORITY wanted it this way.  By the way, this proves the property is never
really yours, it belongs to the state and you are renting it by paying
taxes.  
        The "In God We Trust" does not do ANYTHING in ANYWAY to prevent
someone from doing something....  Like Jim harpping on "Victimless crimes"
as a waste of tax payers money... When it comes to a "Victimless phase" like
"IGWT"...he's ready to make a fedral case out of it.

*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

Message: 55857
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 04:41:57

I'm not surprised that Moe Biller would be unhappy as would the rest of the
Postal union leadership and membership, since the Heritage foundation has a
notoriously anti-union, anti-labor image, which I doubt has changed much.

Message: 55858
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd/20/20
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 09:17:18

I thought that was bad reporting and unfair to Catholics. If they had said
 in the beginning that only 5 % of the priests molest children - they
wouldn't of had much of a story. In this one - they stooped to the Enquiror
type reporting - scandel! -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 55859
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 10:02:39

If 5% of priests molest children, that is quite a sensational story.

Message: 55860
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Post Office
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 10:12:35

  When private companies are allowed to compete with the Post Office in the
areas that are currently monopolized, the Post Office will probably wither
away. Postal workers who would like to keep it in business should be in
favor of privatizing it while it still exists as a major employer. That is
the way in which the greatest percentage of them would keep their jobs in
the long run.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 55861
Author: Louis Jennings
Category: In search of
Subject: WEATHER DATA
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 11:07:42

Does anyone out there know anything about accessing weather data from the
National Weather Service or NOAA?  /LOUIS*

Message: 55862
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Chomsky
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 12:06:10

3 Latin America: "An Incident, Not An End"

  Selser is, of course, not the first Latin American to
discover that "the United States ((seems)) destined to plague
and torment the continent in the name of freedom" (Simon
Bolivar, 1829).  Nor was Kennan the first to enunciate the
doctrine that the US has special rights in Latin America.
Thomas Jefferson declared that "America has a hemisphere to
itself," and John Quincy Adams, while formulating the 
thinking that led to the Monroe Doctrin, stated to the 
cabinet that the world must be "familiarized with the idea
of America."  It is, he said, "as much a law of nature that 
this should become our pretension as that the Mississippi
should flow to the sea," while in his diary he recorded his
statement to British minister Canning: "Keep what is yours,
but leave the rest of this continent to us."  Connell-Smith
comments that while it is not entirely clear what Jefferson,
a well-known expansionist, meant by the term "America," "the
appropriation by United States citizens of the adjective
'American', not surprisingly resented by Latin Americans, has
encouraged a proprietary attitude towards the hemisphere
already present in 1823."
  This proprietary interest was expressed in the Monroe
Doctrine, announced by the President in 1823.  This doctrine
has no more standing in international affairs than the
Brezhnev Doctrine a century and a half later, expressing the
right of the USSR to protect the "socialist" world from
influences regarded as subversive.  In the major scholarly
study of the Monroe Doctrine and its subsequent history, 
Dexter Perkins comments that "The Doctrine is a policy of
the United States, not a fixed principle of international
law," a conclusion that is surely correct.  Latin Americans
"have seen ((the Monroe Doctrine)) as an expression of United
States hegemony employed to justify that country's own
intervention," not as protection against Europe, and since 
the days of Simon Bolivar have sought "to summon Europe to
their aid against the Colossus of the North," with good 
reason.
  The operative meaning of the Doctrine was lucidly explained
by Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of State Robert Lansing, in
what Wilson described as an "unanswerable" argument but one
that it would be "impolitic" to state openly:
     In its advocacy of the Monroe Doctrine the United States
     considers its own interests.  The integrity of other
     American nations is an incident, not an end.  While this
     may seem based on selfishness alone, the author of the
     Doctrine had no higher or more generous motive in its
     declaration.

  A few years earlier President William Howard Taft had
sagely explained that "the day is not far distant" when "the
whole hemisphere will be ours in fact as, by virtue of our
superiority of race, it already is ours morally."  The
attitude towards Latin Americans remains as expressed by
Wilson's Secretary of the Interior to Lansing: "They are
naughty children who are exercising all the privileges and
rights of grown ups," requiring "a stiff hand, an 
authoritative hand."

Message: 55865
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: priests
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 12:59:32

The difference between Catholic priest child molesters and child molesters
in the general public is that the Catholic Church's usual response to the
problem is to cover it up and simply transfer the priest to another parish,
where the molesting begins again.

Message: 55866
Author: Louis Jennings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Priests
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 15:50:36

To preface Child Molester with "Priest" only accomplishes naming a
sub-
category of the phenomena.  Why not produce an article concerning child
molesting bus drivers.  Catholic Priests who molest children is saleable
as a news item because it questions the premise of the church as a
moral institution.  Besides, it's only television, isn't it?

Message: 55867
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: child molesters
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:54:13

Surely, all catholic priests who molest children do not get discovered.
I hear that more than a few priests get AIDS.  Catholic Priests should be
allowed to marry.

Message: 55868
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Politics
Subject: BIG BUCKS $$$$$$
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:56:27

      DATELINE, PHOENIX, Arizona Republic, December 3, 1988 'ADIOS--ER
...BYE BYE'.  Those little green signs that bid Phoenix motorists,
"Adios amigos," soon could be going, well bye bye.
      The signs have long been imprinted with the Spanish words,
translated as, "Goodbye, friends."
      But last month's passage of Proposition 106, making English the
state's official language, makes it questionable whether such words
can adorn city signs.
      City Attorney Rod McDougall said that there are exceptions to
the new rule requiring government to "act in English and no other
language."
      "But 'Adios amigos' might not make it.  I don't know," he said.
      The signs will remain, and any bilingual business in Phoenix
will go on as usual until the courts interpret the proposition,
Councilwoman Mary Rose Wilcox said.

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Message: 540
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Rod the Godless
Subject: Last on brains
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:59:49

        That sure leaves you out!

*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

Message: 541
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Mike on religion
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 09:45:02

Lets discuss this a bit farther -- Christian religion(s) have changed from
20 or so years ago! When I was a child and a Catholic - the rule was, to act
like Christ would have acted - to do other wise was a sin because He was our
example - being man and God. (If He could do it - we all could!) The
teachers would even go so far as to tell us not to even use words like
'jeeze' - 'damn' - 'hell' etc. because these were in essence swear words and
we were to control our tongues. Because it was like this - we had guide
lines - we knew what was a sin clearly and we tried to stop it and did for
the most part. Years later I became a Lutheran and the basic rules were
still the same - 'try to act like Christ would have in every situation'! Now
the religions have different doctrines which I don't understand. They tell
you you are human and are sinfull no matter what - they allow swearing, not
turning the other cheek, anger, etc. How many times I've heard on this BBS a
Christian say he/she will not take any crap from anyone because they are a
Christian! I truly thought that turning the other cheek was part of being a
Christian?? And I ask this in all sincerety - why be a Christian in the
first place if you arn't going to walk that path? I never got the impression
that believing in Christ and being forgiven gave licence to sin! Am I wrong
in believing the religions have changed? -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 542
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Mike Farter
Subject: Last
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 14:51:11

I don't believe that *I* was the one who started all the rude conversation. 
You and your snotty attitude are the problem.  Go play with some primer
caps.

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[A]nnie the ASSp         [C]hristian Thornburg
[D]aryl Sulker           [E]lf A-L-A-N
[F]oxy Traci's Follies   [H]awley Crock Smith
[I]nnajug Jeannie        [J]T Intellect Bore
[K]racked Kobblestone    [M]ike Farter
[N]ick the Geek!         [O]ld Fart Ralph B.
[P]ussy Steve            [R]od the Godless
[S]illy Burkhart         [T]awdry Tales
[W]esson Oil Dean        [Z]ak Drools

Message: 543
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Rod the Godless
Subject: Cliff
Date: 12/03/88  Time: 19:03:13

        Cliff, thank you for the new (and better) category.  I was only
kidding Mike about not having a brain.  He has one but doesn't use much of
it.  As far as your comment about me not having one.....well....I know that
I do.  I see it being used very well in my everyday life.
                        Rod, the Godless