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Message: 1903
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 00:27:59
Re: "Can you imagine what havoc believing that an eternal hell existed
would have on my decision making?"
Probably none since you don't believe in hell.
Message: 1906
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Bob/decision
Date: 08/06/90 Time: 00:43:17
I think you may have missed the point, Mr. Bob. It is this:
In our mind there is a decision making center, if you will. This center
contains a terminal for each (depending on how your mind is formatted) area
of thought, known facts, superstition (my religion garbage is dumped in this
one and it is a closed circuit; not used in making real decisions) and
information that was taught by accepted authorities and perhaps a few
others.
In any case, when one needs to make a decision, which is often, then the
combined knowledge of the 'round-table' is taken into account and a decision
is rendered and all in the space of 1 nanosecond or less depending on the
problem.
Those who have an operational terminal for religion as well as superstiton
not only take longer or make a decision that is so-so but can remain
confused for long periods as to their reasoning as scientific fact is
shelved in the name of Jesus.
Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 68274
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Paul Savage
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 17:55:01
I worship the God Niterc. He is the only true God. He is omnipotent and
benevolent, completely benevolent, but at the same time, he is a jealous God
full of wrath against those who choose not to worship him. You can only be
a friend or enemy of Niterc; he will not allow you to be neutral. If you
are not for him, you are against him, and the only way you can demonstrate
that you are for him is by worshiping him.
He has created a punishment for those wicked enough not to worship him.
This punishment is terrible, and everlasting.
Now, you may not believe in Niterc; but what if you are wrong? Can you
afford to take that chance? If you choose to worship Niterc, and he does
not exist, then you have lost nothing. If, on the other hand, you choose
not to worship him and he does exist, then you lose everything. The only
logical thing for you to do, then, is worship Niterc. Good luck in your
choice. Niterc Loves you, whether you love Niterc or not. Niterc knows
what is best for you, though if you refuse to worship him, what is best for
you is also what is worst for you. This may seem paradoxical, but it is not
our place to question the wisdom of Niterc. Niterc be with you.
Message: 68275
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/love & science
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 17:58:00
No, love is a state of mind. You cannot measure states of mind, and the
phenomena you mentioned (or any physical observable phenomena) could take
place without love. Though the reverse may not be true. That is, if
certain physical phenomena are necessary for love, it is not necessarily
true that the presence of those phenomena indicate love. See?
Message: 68276
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill/phonograph
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 18:13:36
I will try to answer this off the top of my head; I don't know that it is
the correct explaination.
We know that there is no such thing as absolute rest, in terms of velocity,
because velocity is necessarily referenced to something else, though that
thing also is moving. That is, we can say that I am at rest relative to the
Earth, but the Earth itself is moving; I am not at absolute rest, nor is
does such a state exist.
Not having velocity does not mean anything unless the standard of rest is
specified. Not having rotation, however, means something distinct.
The state of no rotation of a body is that in which that body can can be
without any internal strains. As soon as rotation sets in, the body tries
to distend, and strains arise to keep the parts farthest from the axis from
flying off. There is no force if a particle continues with the same
velocity (velocity being a "vector" quantity, it has both direction and
speed). But a particle on a rotating body will change the direction of its
velocity as it moves around the center of the body. There has to be a force
holding the particle in (a centripetal force) to counter the centrifugal
pull of the particle. The centripetal force can dissapear only if there is
no rotation.
Now, the same forces which hold a body together during a state of no
rotation are the same ones which hold it together during rotation. The
amount of stress is directly proportional to the amount of rotation (angular
velocity, and also to the distance of the particle from the center.
Thus, the amount of stress is directly proportional to the linear velocity
of the particles of the body during the rotation.
Clearly, the amount of stretching is proportional to the speed of rotation.
The reason that the record does not fly apart then, is that the speed of
rotation is not anywhere near high enough to overcome the forces holding the
particles of the body together. If you were spun fast enough, there would
be some visible distension. For example, the Earth bulges slightly at the
equator because the linear velocity of the particles at that point is
sufficient to make a measurable difference. A heavy rock spun about fast
enough on a string will break the string. But the distension of a record is
not enough to notice at ordinary speeds of revolution.
I hope this isn't begging the question.
Message: 68278
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cars
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 18:54:11
Combined figures for disabled cars found during approximately 7000
miles of vacation driving during 1988 and 1990.
Manufacturer Cars Manufacturer Cars
------------ ---- ------------ ----
GM 367 46.9 % BMW 4 .5 %
Ford 153 19.6 % Triumph 3 .4 %
Chrysler 74 9.5 % MG 2 .3 %
Nissan 50 6.4 % Saab 2 .3 %
VW 35 4.5 % Suzuki 2 .3 %
Toyota 34 4.3 % Hyundai 1 .1 %
Honda 17 2.2 % Jaguar 1 .1 %
AMC 10 1.3 % Mitsubishi 1 .1 %
Volvo 10 1.3 % Porshe 1 .1 %
International 5 .6 % Yugo 1 .1 %
Mazda 5 .6 % ----- -------
Subaru 4 .5 % TOTAL 782 100 %
Message: 68279
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 18:58:16
In 68224/68225 Rod gave his assessment of religion. I agree with it, and
wonder what others think of the characterization of God which must result
from it?
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 68280
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi M.
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 19:03:41
If you are using the ProComm which is available from the download section
of this BBS, then you would save a message by hitting the 'page down' key,
which would bring up a window asking you what kind of capture to do, you
would reply with a '7' for ascii, and then it would ask for a filename to
save the data under. When you were done capturing you could hit the escape
key. If you are using an IBM compatible this program would work for you, and
it also has a script language which would allow you to set it up for
automatic login and message capture.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 68281
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Love
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 19:08:48
Whether love exists or not, its function does take place. People form long
term bonds which are called Love, among other things. If the supposed
functions of God were as well fulfilled we could believe in God as easily as
we do in Love. We don't fall in love by believing in Love, it happens. Next
case.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 68282
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Prove Love
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 19:35:27
Mike, you're great! I love it! Yeah, prove love, and I'll copy it
down--also, try this: I am to love my fellow man, right, even the knothead
who tried to rape my daughter until she remembered the jab in the eye her
daddy taught her. I also love my wife, and for 34 years it has been a
constant growing affair. On top of that, I am to love God with my whole
heart, my whole mind, and all my soul, right? How much room does that leave
for the knothead with sore eyes?
Message: 68283
Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
Category: Hard/Software
Subject: Help
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 20:48:47
Glad I could help you, let me know if you need more help.
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Message: 68284
Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Love
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 20:59:20
Well I would guess it would be hard to prove, but what else can you call the
feeling that make you: lose your appitite, lose your inteligence, lost your
cool, lose your judgement, won't let you listen to other people, make forget
to eat your lunch, some people even stop breathing. well, if you can't call
it love, you could call it stupidity, but that would be cruel to all the
people that think their in love.
THE
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Message: 68285
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dean/cars
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 21:48:24
Now we need to get hold of the market share figures.
Message: 68286
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff L./love
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 21:54:48
What would I call the feeling that makes you lose your appetite,
intelligence, calm, judgement, attention span, memory, etc.? I might call
it depression.
Message: 68287
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill B.
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 22:00:40
Actually, the bulge of the Earth isn't just on the equator. The stretching
effect takes place all over, though it is greatest at the equator and least
at the poles. That is why the Earth is not a sphere; it is an oblate
spheroid. That is, it is flattened at the poles and bulges with a curvature
less than that of a true sphere, and this bulge increases toward the
equator. The reason the poles are flattened is the fact that the poles are
at the axis of rotation, and consequently at the pole points themselves,
there is no linear velocity. The area around the pole points doesn't fall
away as fast as it would on a true sphere, and so by contrast, the poles
look flattened. Of course, this is actually pretty slight.
Message: 68288
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Joke
Subject: My 'last' Job
Date: 08/04/90 Time: 23:04:33
It is too bad that I got fired from my last job. I was sub-contract at
Honeywell, I was an engineering programming aide. I got escorted off the
property by Honeywell security. They said I was part of the German Chaos
computer club. They said that I left work with Magnetic reel tapes and
source code listings. I had a pretty good scam going. Then I got caught.
It wasn't a very smart thing to do. My sister Iris, who also works at
Honeywell, had a hard time believing what a traitor I am. I hope people on
this board will understand why I did this.
Michael "I'm the NRA" Kielsky
Message: 68289
Author: Saddam Hussein
Category: Joke
Subject: Joke of the week
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 01:00:39
Kuwait.
Message: 68290
Author: Saddam Hussein
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Streets/parking lots
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 01:08:06
I have heard that this city needs more streets and parking lots. We here in
Baghdad have the tools necessary to enable this city to have the number of
parking lots and streets that most Arab cities have. Remember, the city of
Beirut gets more new streets and parking lots before 9am than your city gets
in one year. I, on the behalf of my nation, resent the implication that we
want to enter the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. I do not want to enter it, I
want to RULE it! I want all the Gulf states under my thumb. I am not the
next Hitler; I would not have screwed up like Hitler did in World War II.
Allah akbar!
/signed/
Saddam Hussein
President,
Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council
Republic of Iraq
Message: 68291
Author: Saddam Hussein
Category: For sale
Subject: Beach-front property
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 01:12:31
For Sale: Small plot of land, on the northern end of the Arabian (you might
say Persian) Gulf. Included in the deal would be 1.9 million servants of
various nationalities (including the former Kuwaiti nationality).
Lots of petroleum. Many houses and buildings. Desert landscape, with
beach-front properties available. Also includes a few offshore islands and
some of the Gulf as your very own.
If you are interested, please forward all requests to:
Saddam Hussein
Baghdad, IRAQ
Message: 68292
Author: Saddam Hussein
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: New movie
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 01:15:25
New movie that opened in the former Kuwait City on Thursday, and may open
soon in Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Oman, and your back yard...
IRAQNAPHOBIA!
For a good time, invade a neighboring country. For a *REAL* good time, take
that neighboring country's petroleum reserves. For a GREAT time, use poison
gas on the population. While this is going on, the two titular
'superpowers' can't do a thing to me!
Saddam Hussein
Message: 68294
Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 01:25:06
You could call it that to, but were do you tell the difference if the
depression is because of love?
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Message: 68295
Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cga
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 01:33:00
Well I did it I went out and got myself CGA, and compared to my old
mono(green) and slow it looks Great, and I can Finally see how fast my
machine really is. God the world looks so much better in color!!!!!!
THE
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Message: 68296
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: procomm
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 02:33:23
I might wrong but I think I might have finally figured out how to save stuff
with procomm...
...Jeff, you could always get a monitor like mine if you get nostalgic and
miss the green mono...it offers both...of course I can't when the last time
I used it in green...Yuck!
Message: 68297
Author: Red Dwarf
Category: Religion
Subject: Carpenter?
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 03:39:03
No I'm not a carpenter, just a logical, good looking, peacful computer
programmer and amateur astronomer.
Message: 68298
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question?
Subject: Roger/physics
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 04:36:40
My mind is numb. Too much reading. Let me bounce this off of you, anyway.
I'm probably not making sense, though.
I have read that because F=MA, since mass does not change with location
(i.e. from Earth to space) it would take the same amount of force to move
any given object in space as it would to move that object on Earth. This
seems to me to be tremendously misleading. Acceleration (and force) is a
vector quantity. While it must be true that F is the same for constant M
and A, F represents, after all, the net force, which is to say the
unbalanced force acting on a given object in a given direction. If the
forces were all balanced on an object, there would be no acceleration.
Now, the net force would be the same on Earth as in space. But the force
required by YOU to be exerted in space is not the same as on Earth.
For instance, if I put a thousand pound weight on a stand and try to lift it
from underneath, I am required first to balance the opposing gravitational
force, and second, to exert an additional force. Say I wanted to move the
weight up half a yard in one second. First of all, gravity is exerting a
downward force of 9.8 Newtons per kilogram which works out
to about 4440 Newtons.
But if I just deal with the mass (as in space), if M=453 Kg (1000
lbs.) and A= 1 meter/sec^2, then to move it half a yard in one second
would require just 453 Newtons of force.
I'm very tired. Straighten this one out, will you?
All of this came up because I remembered NASA films of 1 finger push ups.
Message: 68299
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Glans
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 05:45:24
Who was it, Kipling, who once said that "East is east and west is west, and
never the twain shall meet"?
You look at religion as restrictive. I see it as liberating. You are
restricted by the laws of this world. If I live what I believe, I don't
concern myself with man-made laws. How can there be reasonable, rational
discussion between such opposite poles of belief? You are as bound by your
anti-religious views as you think I am by my faith.
(Now don't twist my comments to say that I can violate the law of the land
with immunity. That's not what I said at all. We both, hopefully, obey the
law, although perhaps for different reasons. You for fear of punishment, me
out of the respect for others born of love. Major difference there.)
Message: 68300
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 05:47:21
Heart beat faster, blood pressure go up, brain not functional?
You're confusing love with lust, Annie.
Message: 68301
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JB/Phono Records
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 07:33:42
That doesn't beg the question; it just answers a different
question.
Take two points on a phonograph record (on a CD if you tend
to be yuppie-ish), one point near the center and one point on the
edge. The record, and both points, are rotating at 33-1/3 rpm.
The circle made by the point near the center is much, much
smaller than the point at the edge. Since both points complete
their circles in the same amount of time, the point on the edge
must be traveling faster than the point near the center.
How can the record be a solid object when the various parts
of it move at different speeds?
Message: 68302
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: New ote anyone?
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 08:44:03
Does anyone have a question they would like to have put in the
ote cmd?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif-
Message: 68303
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff B. on love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 09:24:06
Yes, you are right - love is a state of mind. What is odd about it - it
defies all reason(ing). I. E. people can love someone who beats them bloody
or cheats on them constantly. I've read of women whoes husband's molested
their children and still stuck by him. (This to me is insanity not love but
.....?) You can love an animal, a friend, God, etc. all in a different way.
You can't hold it in your hand or see it - but you know it's there - can
feel it tremendously. It can over run your life - making you totally insane
- without reasoning. You can love so strongly, you give your life over to
someone else - even risking and losing your life to save another.
I beleive that some animals - if not all are capable of love to a degree.
Especially dogs. The old expression - "Love makes the world go round" is
probably a very true one. Sometimes love is also distructive. I wonder if
we'd all be better off without it??!! Naw! I love love!!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 68304
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff B. on love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 09:28:27
Re: "What would I call the feeling that makes you lose your appetite,
intelligence, calm, judgement, attention span, memory, etc.? I might call it
depression."
It could also be called 'indigestion'! *Heh -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 68305
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 09:36:01
Isn't lust part of the love thing? Surely you do not commit yourself to a
life with another without it first happening do you? Of course, I'm talking
humans here - not animals, etc. Ha ha. What I'm saying is - lust happens
between two young people - after that, they may commit to a life together,
but that's the start! See? It can happened at any age I guess. But lust is
the one thing that does not continue for very long in a relationship. For
that I am glad - would hate to live a life time with someone lusting after
them all of the time. Would be bad on the housework and kids! *Heh
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 68306
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Answer!
Subject: destructive love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 11:55:35
Actually, some of the people I know(including myself) who have stuck through
bad relationships or any of that other stuff are motivated by fear and
insecurity than love...many people don't leave wife-beaters because they are
afraid he will find them or that they don't have any options other than
staying married to him(especially if they have kids and she doesn't have a
very good job). Some have known no other life as adults, having married and
started a family right after school, so for them, yelling and a few bruises
is easier to deal with than the uncertainty of what might happen if they
leave. Some people stay in relationships that are not violent or anything
but that are going nowhere because they have been with that person so long
that going back out on the singles scene is a frightening option or because
fear of being lonely is stronger than the boredom(or other negative emotion)
associated with their partner.
But, I suppose a good number of them stick around because despite it all,
the love their partner.
Message: 68307
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JB/F=MA
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 13:45:31
When acting to lift an object on the Earth, one must overcome the
acceleration 'present' as a result of the earth's gravitational field. If
one were moving an object horizontally (ignoring friction), there would be
no acceleration to overcome, just the inertia of the object itself. This
latter is (almost) the case in Earth orbit, where very little of the Earth's
gravitational field is felt by non-massive objects.
Oh, and when you talk about Mass and relativity, remember that it is Rest
Mass that gets plugged into those equations.
Message: 68308
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Apollo Trivia
Subject: Backup
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 14:33:02
Apollo was backed up today. All 349 files.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif- on the job!
Message: 68310
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau Dog
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 15:28:51
So then, I was right.
When you point out that "it is rest mass that gets plugged into all those
[relativity] equations," it implies that somewhere along the way I used
measured mass rather than proper mass. Please point this out to me so that
I will not continue to labor under false assumptions.
Message: 68311
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bill/record
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 15:45:46
Oh, now I see what you're asking. Well, you're confusing angular speed with
linear speed. Angular speed is the speed of rotation. Since the record is
solid, every point on the record has the same angular speed of rotation.
That is, if the angular speed is 33 1/3 rpm, then every point has that same
angular speed. Angular speed is a measure of rotation per unit of time.
That says nothing about the LENGTH of such a rotation, merely the amount of
rotation (i.e. 360 degrees, etc.). So the record rotates 33 1/3 times
through 360 degrees in one minute. Every point does that. Now, linear speed
measures *distance*. You will readily see that amount of rotation says
nothing about distance. As you pointed out, the distance travelled by
points on the outer edge during a given amount of time is greater than that
travelled by points closer toward the center during the same amount of time.
Since linear speed is distance per unit of time, they have a greater linear
speed. But the distance between the individual particles of the record has
nothing to do with the distance travelled around a circle. The distance
between individual particles is constant, but the distance through which
each particle rotates varies; though the *angle* through which they rotate
remains the same. The important thing to remember is that in order for the
particles to maintain a constant distance from each other, they must all
have the same speed *in the direction of motion*. If they are rotating,
they must all have the same angular speed. If they are travelling in a
straight line, they must all have the same linear speed in that direction.
Take an object which combines the two motions. For example, say you have a
ball which is rotating but also flying through the air.
The particles all have the same angular velocity, that is, they all have the
same angular speed in the direction of their rotation. On the other hand,
in the direction of rotation, they all have different linear velocities,
since each particle travels, in the course of its rotation, through a
different distance in the direction of rotation.
But in the direction of linear motion, the direction along which the ball is
flying, every particle must have the same linear velocity, that is, every
particle of the ball covers the same distance in that direction in the same
amount of time.
Message: 68313
Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Monitor
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 16:18:02
The world looks totaly different in color,unless my CGA broke, I don't think
I'd ever want to change back. Also after having used a Radio Shack DMP 100
printer for so long, It's a whole new world with this citizen printer I
bought. My computer feels like a different machine. I'm so happy, I can't
describe it. Oh well
THE
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Message: 68314
Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Love
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 16:28:44
Yes that is so totally true, my ExWife went to live with an old boyfriend of
hers, who beats the living heck out of her just about every day. She went as
far as having two kids by this guy just to be with him, I'll NEVER
understand that, especially since there is no such thing as a woman beater
in our family. I'll Never understand why a woman would choose to stay with a
man that beats her, and I'll never understand the reason why a man would
hit, or have reason enough to hit a woman. I guess I'll never know, because
I would never do it. I will also not stand around and watch a man beat up on
a woman, if it's any of my buissness or not, I could just not help myself
but to interfer. Call me fool if you want to, just some of the moral my
father thaught me, You don't hit women, you don't hit kids ( he never did
me), you obye the law, you stay honest if possiblel, you respect your
elders,and yes mind your manners. Just you basics. Call me a fool again, but
I'll teach those morals to my kids if I ever have any.
THE
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Message: 68315
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: physics
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 18:04:38
I have a problem with a definition. Force is defined as that which causes
mass to accelerate. If there is no acceleration, there is no force. An
object at rest is not accelerating. An object resting on the surface of the
Earth is not accelerating. Yet it exerts a downward force, and the Earth
exerts an equal and opposite force against it. One cannot say there is no
force. Perhaps it would be better to define force as that which would cause
mass to accelerate if not balanced. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Apparently, particles of matter do not actually touch each other. If this
is so, then I am not standing on the Earth; I am floating on a force field.
I have never touched anything in my life, including other people's bodies,
but only manipulated them through the use of non-material force-fields.
Why is it that two particles never touch? If an electron and a proton, each
having equal and opposite charges are brought into proximity with one
another, why don't they touch? If this force of attraction increases as the
distance between the particles decreases, in an exponential manner, then
shouldn't the force of attraction approach infinity as they approach each
other? If they were to touch, wouldn't this massive attraction crush them
both?
Message: 68316
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question?
Subject: physics
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 19:51:22
If every action coincides with an equal and opposite reaction, then one
would expect an apple to attract the Earth with the same amount of force as
the Earth attracts the apple. The mass of the apple is much less, and so
the acceleration would be much more. Does this mean that a falling apple
causes the Earth to accelerate toward it at some miniscule rate?
Does this mean that if two objects of equal mass were at a distance from
each other, at rest relative to one another, barring other influences, they
would meet at a point midway between them? How does this affect the motions
of the heavenly bodies?
Message: 68318
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Question?
Subject: prior
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 20:51:05
Ok, who let this idiot on the board?
Message: 68319
Author: Robert Waiter
Category: Religion
Subject: My thoughts
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 22:28:59
It seems to me as a Christian who has studied the Bible for a
number of years, that the only way to truly learn of what,where,how
and when hell will be is to get the information from the Bible
itself. From my studies,I learned that hell is more of a time
than a place. We are all God's children, he made us all. He
loves us as anyone would love his or her children. God made
us with free will. We can choose whether or not to follow God.
We can know who God is and what he stands for by his word
The Bible. In the Bible God speaks of love,happiness,and
righteousness and how to obtain it. The Bible also shows us what
happens when we fall away from God's word. This leads us to sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law of God. God tells us that the
wages of sin is death. This can not be a physical death for we all
will die a physical death but a spiritual death. A death of the soul;
in such,that the soul no longer exists.
So what is hell? Hell is the time when all that are judged by God
to be of a evil nature will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. A fire
that will totally destroy the souls of these evil people for the
eternity. This will be hard for God to do because these people are
still his children and he still loves them.
But this has to be done because how can paradise be Heaven
with these people still around causing trouble. And if hell
was a place where God threw evil people then how can those
in Heaven truly be happy knowing that someone they know will
suffer in fire forever. A truly loving God would not let this
happen. On Judgment Day all evil will be cast into the Lake
of Fire, when all evil is destroyed, hell is over.
Message: 68321
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: The Bible
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 22:49:03
No, Robert, there are many "holy" books but only one is the word of God.
The one true God is Niterc, and thus the one true holy book. This book is
called the Dunciad: it is the result of men writing under the direct
inspiration of the Holy Spirit (part of the thrice-great Niterc). The
Dunciad tells us that all other holy books are written by false prophets,
and all of them are influenced by false gods, which is to say, Suineg, the
archfoe of Niterc, a fallen angel. Your bible is nothing more than a lie
from the mouth of Suineg; sorry to dissapoint you.
Message: 68322
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question?
Subject: Centrifugal force
Date: 08/05/90 Time: 22:55:44
Now wait a minute...there isn't any such thing as centrifugal force.
As I understand it, there is a centripetal force, that which causes a body
to move on a circular path, for example a rock sitting on the surface of the
Earth; the centripetal force is gravity.
According to Newton's third law, this force must be balanced by an equal and
opposite force.
But the inertial direction of the rock is tangential to the centripetal
force; if the force were to disappear, it would fly off at a right angle to
that centripetal force, not in a radially outward direction.
So does this mean that Newton's third law is false?
And if there is no centrifugal force (it certainly is fictitious) then what
causes the Earth to bulge outward proportional to its linear speed at that
point, but at a right angle; the angle of the non-existant centrifugal
force?
Message: 68324
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: $tatus users only
Subject: Mail
Date: 08/06/90 Time: 00:17:41
Users.... PLEASE ZAP old mail after reading it. You don't leave
old mail in your mailbox at home...so don't do it here!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=* <-clif-
Message: 68325
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Nitrec/worship
Date: 08/06/90 Time: 00:57:49
How much does it cost?
Message: 68326
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Saddam Hussein
Date: 08/06/90 Time: 01:00:00
You should give us a price break because our taxes paid for the weapons you
used to invade Kuwait with.
I'm looking for something like a 6 bedroom, 3 bath with spa on the
beachfront. Can you help?
Message: 68327
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: John/answer
Date: 08/06/90 Time: 01:01:19
Yes, John, I read your long dissertation and I understand what you are
saying. Teaching a child that it would be dangerous to play on a freeway
is good common sense. Everyone knows that freeways exist and are
dangerous. It is also a fact that many thousands of people have met their
death on one.
But to teach a child something that has no basis in scientific thought is
lying to a child in order to achieve something. What it does accomplish is
to warp the mind of the child.
The scientific minded person will tell the brainwashed child that there has
never been any proof of the existence of a hell, nor that humans were
created by a superior being.
Of course if there were any scientific proof then things would be
different. But there isn't.
For argument sake let us assume that the existence of a creator had been
proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore it would be apparent that each
human had a very intelligent father who watched over us. We would all be
brother and sister regardless of race, all with the same father.
If this father existed and if it were intelligent do you think that it
would punish anything that it ever created, even for one minute, let alone
forever? A creator of anything would most certainally have to be an evil
demon in order to do that. Or even to set separate a creation, away from
its creator for eternity or even a thousand earth years would be cruel and
unusual punishment, child abuse no less. (Because as the theory goes we
all are children of the creator.)
The only conclusion that I can come up with as to why an adult would tell a
child that something very horrible can happen after physical death is that
the adult has themselves been brainwashed or that the adult is suffering
from mental illness due to one reason or another. It is no wonder the
majority of humans are afraid of physical death. Many people start
freaking out as they draw nearer to what they feel will be their last years
and in many instances all because of some scare story they were told as a
child.
But there is no scientific proof that a creator or hell exists. Nothing
even close to proving that either is real exists. And scientists are the
best minds in the world having been tortured and put to death by the
religious community for their views.
And we are all fortunate that no proof exists because if it were true that
there was supreme punishment then we'd all be in trouble.
For instance, if I were saintly and went to eternal paradise with my father
when I died but others weren't so lucky then I doubt if I could really
enjoy myself just knowing that someone who once had feelings of pain and
happiness, someone who loved their child or someone who was abused from day
one by their parents could be suffering for eternity at the hands of that
which made them. I would feel mighty uncomfortable and would be on
constant guard to not screw up and let this madman find out about it.
And finally it would be like me living and being treated like a king all
my life with everything I desired being provided to me but knowing there
were people without basic shelter or enough food, people in tatters who
loved their offspring as much as I, living in the same world. I just could
not find REAL happiness until all were happy. This message points out just
a few of the things which are wrong with the current hell theory that the
ignorant human animal promotes. -Rod
Message: 68330
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 08/06/90 Time: 01:04:56
Thank you.