Apollo BBS Archive - August 1990

Apollo BBS Archive - August 18, 1990

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Message: 4128
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 09:52:52

Wow.  Rod is starting to make sense.  Scary...

Message: 4129
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod/Man's purpose
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 12:09:55

Man's purpose is obviously to create, and subsequently shovel, shit.

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Message: 68764
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Answer!
Subject: Roger/Iraq
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 02:48:00

Roger-  why isn't Bush using the troops now?  Well, we do not have everybody
in place.  Bush, due to the possible constraints that the
Democratic-controlled Congress may impose, cannot strike unprovoked first. 
If Bush ordered that, thoughts of Vietnam and the "War Powers Act" will be
echoing around the land.  All Bush can hope for is: no harm to the American
nationals over there, Saddam keeps to himself, Saddam gets *SO* poor he has
to withdraw from Kuwait on economic - not military - reasons, and that we
make more parking lots if Saddam does anything toward Saudi Arabia or the
Americans held hostage there.
 
Or, tell Israel that, in order to get your $4 billion to prop up your
economy and military in fiscal year 1991, do the dirty work that we cannot
do.
 
If you have called 280-9945, you will have heard about the bounty on
Hussein's right ear.  If you know of any Iraqis or Kuwaitis, or (especially)
members of the Iraqi armed forces, and you would be interested in $600,000
to $1.8 million, go get Hussein's right ear.
 
-Pat

Message: 68765
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: "Desert Shield"
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 02:51:22

The "Desert Shield" operation in Saudi Arabia is having some close calls....
many Iraqi air force pilots, in slightly-inferior, French-made Mirage
fighters, have been trying to test the reactions to American and Saudi F-15
pilots who are patrolling over Saudi Arabia.  Many times as of late, the
F-15 pilots have been locking their missile guidance radar onto the Iraqis,
and watching them move back from the border.
(Probably) unrelated to the American movements there, Saddam was the target
of an assassination attempt at the beginning of the week.  He had some of
his army officers promptly executed.  Darn!
 
-Pat

Message: 68766
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dean/go to 1957
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 03:48:42

Yes, take a trip to Dayton, Ohio, 1829 Grand Avenue and look me up.  Then
say the following:
      "I have an important message for you from your future self.  Stay in
school, pay particular attention in english and science classes and take
creative writing."

      Then please explain the atheist philosophy to me in detail.

Better yet, I will give you hard-copies of all my posts from the past two
years.  

Much appreciated,
                                    Rod

Message: 68767
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Daryl
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 03:49:23

What would I do if I caught someone in my house stealing, you ask?  That
has only happened to me once and I went back to sleep.

Jasmine and I operated the Digger's Free Store at 510 N. 6th Street here in
Phoenix at the time.  Everything we had was free so there was nothing for
anyone to steal.  I suppose the burglar took what he wanted then departed.

What would I do now if I caught someone stealing my computer system from my
home?  To be totally honest, I don't really know for sure.  How can anyone
say how they will react in a situation like that?

I am an atheist and as one I do not have a book that tells me what to
believe or how to act.  But I was under the misunderstanding that
Christians did.  I suppose there is a way around everything if one puts
their mind to it.  Paul Savage gave his explanation on "turning the other
cheek" and that is what I mean by 'a way around', an adjusting entry, if
you will.

From what I have continually observed, it is obvious to me that the run of
the mill Christian can and will do absolutely anything, murder included and
still manage to be okay with their deity.  But what else is new?

From my understanding a Christian can "backslide" and do what they want
then make amends, over and over.

However, I really do understand why the human animal needs their particular
god and it's okay by me.  I've come not to expect a sane world at this
point in our history and I (don't we all?) see many types of lunacy on a
daily basis.  Be with your god and be happy.    -Rod

Message: 68769
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Alzheimers
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 05:34:42

 My grandmother died in 1945 at the age of 87, of hardening of the arteries.
She was totally cognizant and aware of her family, her surroundings and
everything else until the time of her death.
 My mother is presently in a nursing home in Lockport, N.Y. She is 86, and
she has Alzheimers disease. She doesn't even know she has a son. I have sent
her pictures of us, the kids and grandkids, most of whom she has met, held
on her lap, rocked, etc. When asked about the pictures by people who visit
her, she says that she doesn't recognize anyone in those photos. They tell
me that she even gets lost on the way to the dining room, and has to be
helped. Natural aging process? I'll never buy that one, even though I agree
that most doctors are far more interested in the health of their bank
accounts than that of their patients.

Message: 68770
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: jeff/vsubx
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 08:54:41

You might want to refer to Analytic Geometry and Calculus by
Smail to understand how to differentiate an equation with respect to
time in order to derive velocity and acceleration. I had forgotten much and 
had to dust off my old college textbook. btw, vsubx = dx/dt and asubx =
d^2x/dt^2 if that is any help.

Message: 68771
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Max on Alzimers
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 11:07:07

I am certainly not an expert on the disease - but I will say what you
discribed I've seen happen to people that just get old and senile. My first
experience was many years ago when my church group visited an 'old folks
home' as it was called. I had really never been subjected to old people - my
parents were still fairly young then and I lived in a youthful world. I was
apalled at what I saw - people ranting and raving - drooling - wearing
diapers - hate in their eyes - abusive both mentally and physically to the
staff or anyone else that happened to get too close. Years later my husband
re-modeled the Pioneer's Home in Prescott - one of the best and I saw the
same thing at a much close view. As far as I know, none of these people had
Alzimer's - just old age/senility. Yet, some were older than other's - were
alert, nice, personable and happy with life. I had to come to the conclusion
that each of us age differently. Alzimer's in my opinion is the extreme of
senility just like some cancers can be worse than other's, polio can cripple
more in others' etc. etc. Just recently I saw what you pretty much
discribed in my own mother-in-law - she passed away from heart failure last
February. For the last year she kept getting more and more forgetful - mean
and nasty - physically abusive to those around her - withdrawn from life and
if she had lived, she would end up as you discribed as an Alzimer's patient.
As I said - I just think it's the extreme of senility - a natural thing that
can happen to any of us. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 68772
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger on AIDS
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 11:11:15

The guy wasn't having sex with women he suspected may have AIDS - he had
occasional affairs and took the tests to make sure. He is not in the high
risk category either. 
Of course the real answer is to not have sex period until you get married to
a person that has never had sex and then the two of you never have sex with
anyone else from then on! But that isn't the real world is it?
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 68773
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on aging
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 11:28:22

Even wht you discribed about your mother just sounds like natural aging.
I've seen this so many times. The doctor's and media can call it a disease -
can search for a cure and use medication, but it won't help in the long run
unless they come up with something that will stop the aging process. 
What you discribed about your mother has happened to - my husband's mother,
grandmother - uncle - one aunt - several friends - my uncle - 2 of my aunts!
These people are just personal - I've seen a lot of people and hear about
them too. It seems that if you live long enough it can happen - yet at
times, it does not. One of my uncles lived to almost 90 and he was as sharp
as a bell and had a gusto for life. 
Our society seems to be of the impression that if the doctors find a cure
for all this, we'll live forever and that is not going to happen. Modern
medicine can only prolong life.  Nature has not made us to live very long. 
Case in point: - my mother-in-law should have by all rights died in 1983 -
she had a very bad heart. Modern medicine put a new valve in her heart and
she got several more years. This is all fine and good - BUT - she ended up
with senility that she wouldn't of had if she had died at that time! We are
livng longer - therefore you will see it more and more - a fairly healthy
body but the mind goes. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 68774
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: army officers
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 12:21:44

I've heard a rumor from a reliable source that many of Saddam's top army
leaders opposed the Kuwait takeover, so he executed a bunch of them before.
For one thing, that suggests that perhaps not all of his troops firmly
believe in what they are doing. For another, you have to wonder if he's
going to kill off all his military intelligence officers before some
conflict begins.

Message: 68775
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 12:49:42

  Okay, I did it. This created a parallel timeline in which you followed my
instructions, became a neo-conservative columnist with libertarian
tendencies, and are now a U.S. Senator who is largely ignored on the
national scene. Want to try again with different instructions?
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 68776
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Jeff B.
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 13:12:51

   I regard the unfavorable results of anti-market policies everywhere
 that they have been used as strong evidence that they are a
mistake. If the superiority of free market principles were an assertion made
in vacuum we could apply your method of requiring a real world proof to take
it seriously, but we are in fact contrasting it to the existing climate of
anti-market policies which are available for scrutiny. That scrutiny very
easily shows that anti-market policies are detrimental. I say that since the
market constraints are what is being imposed, while the dynamics of a free
market are there by default, it is the constraints which are the assertion
which must be evaluated and proven.
   I can not agree that voluntary trade is tantamount to fraud in any
degree. The underlying force is that the traded commodity is actually worth
more to the purchaser than that which they trade for it, while the
obverse is true for the seller. The denial of the fitness of those involved
to make those choices for themselves when no misrepresentation is employed
by either side is the essence of market controls, and I find that primarily
immoral and secondarily counterproductive.
   I'll look for the book, thanks. Any other reading suggestions?
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 68777
Author: $ Mad Max
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: carehome
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 15:01:24

I work in the "green acre care home" we're pretty small, only two folks in
the place, very personalized just like being part of the family.

Message: 68778
Author: $ Mad Max
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alzheimers
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 15:14:39

I hate to say this ann, but if this awaits me when I grow old, I don't want
to grow old, It is to frigtening for me. I am currently taking care of an 80
year old lady who is very forgetful, but just as sweet as you can get, now
that lady is almost a pleasure to take care of. On the other hand I also
take care of a 98 year old gentleman who has a combination of parkinsons
disease and alzheimers, he is to say the least very hard to care for. Over
the last few weeks, I don't think I have gotten more then 3 hours of sleep a
night because of his ranting and raving all night. I am to the point now
were I fall asleep during the day from sheer exhaustion. But starting next
friday with my moving to the dorms, that will all stop. Like I said earlier,
I will NEVER take care of old folks again, it's time for someone else to
bear my burden. I can TRULLY fell for a family that has to put up with it
for YEARS, not just one year like me. It will take me quite some time to
become a normal oerson emotionally after this experience.

Message: 68779
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ann/no sex
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 18:34:08

it was when I grew up in BTP (before the pill)

Message: 68780
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: sandi/terror
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 18:35:37

It may become Saddam Hussein's downfall. It is clear that the Arab 
leaders of Syria and Egypt, the Turks, and Iran don't trust him and would
like to see him gone from the scene.

Message: 68781
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 19:05:37

Say after me: Iran is not an Arab country.  Neither is Turkey.
Islamic != Arabic
 

Message: 68784
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean/market,etc.
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 20:01:43

My mind is numb tonight.  I'll analyze your message offline, as it might
take me a while.

Message: 68785
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: All kindsa stuff
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 20:38:59

Free markets:  It seems obvious to me that an individual is better equiped
to evaluate their needs and wants, both short-term and long-term, than a
central authority.  Not only that, but it seems more moral to not usurp the
authority of the individual to engage in voluntary exchanges with others.

Iraq:  I think the Israelis would be thrilled to undertake a U.S. sponsored
mission to take out Saddam Hussein, his nuclear bomb plants, his chemical
warfare plants and depots, his biological warface plants and depots, and
several million dollars worth of Iraqi military hardware.  It would only
take the word "Go" from the U.S., and the assurance that the U.S. would back
Israel logistically, financially, AND militarily, if such should become
necessary as a result.  I have no problem with this scenario.  It would
ultimately be cheaper for the U.S., cost the U.S. no lives, and certainly
stabilize world oil prices.  Subcontracting to a specialist is always better
in such critical situations.

Oil:  It's time for an all nuclear electric net in the U.S.  It's cleaner,
cheaper, and strategically independant of foreign resources.

Michael "Live Free or Die" Kielsky

Message: 68786
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: power
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 20:53:42

Nuclear power (as so far implimented) is not cheaper than oil. 

Message: 68787
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 20:56:22

Let me try again:
 
You state that "to create and maintain an effective monopoly, you have to
be protected from the free market, and the only power that can do that is
state power."  
 
If you are to claim with any legitimacy that this is an empirical
proposition, and not mere metaphysical verbiage, there must exist some
specific, conclusive, empirical criteria which would, if satisfied,
disprove your hypothesis.  I am asking you to supply this.  If you maintain
that your statement is true, despite the facts of experience, then it
cannot have anything to do with the facts of experience.  I am not asking
you to prove it to me; I am asking you how I may disprove it to you.
 
I am not making any assertions regarding constraints on the free market;
therefore, I do not need to prove them or supply criteria for their
disproof.  I merely contest the validity of *your* hypothesis.
 
The essence of market controls, incidentally, is not to deny individuals
the choice to trade, when no misrepresentation or coercion is involved; 
the essence of market controls is to prevent or penalize misrepresentation 
and coercion when individuals choose to trade.  How effective they are is
a matter best evaluated with reference to specific controls.

Message: 68788
Author: Rich Wojtasik
Category: For sale
Subject: CHOW PUPPIES
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 21:12:12

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Message: 68789
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Question?
Subject: puppies/last
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 21:33:52

Is this one of those puppy mill ads?

Message: 68790
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean/1957
Date: 08/19/90  Time: 21:34:46

I'll consider what you said and I will get back to you.  -Rod