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Mail from Peter Petrisko
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 12:12:41
We need to start planning this performance art piece for the show at
the end of October.... I've spoken to a gentlemen whose video company
produces segments for CNN, and will try to get him there that night...
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply
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1:I need my 'fucking' work tools.
2:
3:Okay on the planning.
Mail from Todd Reese
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 13:44:39
Someday I'll have to dig out those old printouts. I have some that Carol
Graham sent me after I was in Hawaii, and some of Edward Degraaf's big thing
about me charging a fee. I'm sure I have some other ones. I just don't
know where they all are.
Carol sent me some print outs with messages from you leaving HEX codes
saying, TODD IS AN ASSHOLE. I was able to decode it in Hawaii without a
conversion chart or anything. Do you remember that?
That time I said you looked like Manson was just after I returned from
Hawaii. January, 1986.
See you later...
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply
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1:Blax days were some fun times. I had purchased six different passwords
2:therefore I had six votes. I couldn't believe the BBS's were so cheap and
3:that is why I gave extra money.
4:
5:Yes, I remember the HEX codes. I was just learning them at the time and
6:thought it would be fun to see who could decode them. I see you spelled
7:DeGraaf's name correctly. He is, last I heard, in Michigan. I'll get out
8:some of my posts......by the way, my first posts on Blax and Apollo were
9:really, 'stoned' posts. I would usually smoke a 'joint' then log on and say
10:whatever felt weird.
11:
12:Craig White and Carol went bowling together quite often. Do you remember
13:him now?
14:
15:One of the 'funnest' times I had on Blax was discovering, while logging on,
16:that I had captured the remainder of Bob Jiles' time period. I sure had fun
17:under his name. I even entered a message 'for him' that said in effect, "I
18:now understand Rod Williams and I agree with everything he is saying. He is
19:a genius."
20:
21:Of course, Bob would never see the message because when he logged
on, the
22:system would treat him as having posted it. Pretty funny, eh? I later
23:told him about it, after it was too late, of course. Later -Rod
24:Next, I'll tell you about how I used my votes and fooled some of the people.
Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 302
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Commodore/Amiga
Subject: last
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 07:12:03
Hey...........................Roddy.....................
That figures!
See Y'aa..............
jeannie
Message: 303
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Roddy/cover
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:00:29
A plastic garbage bag?? How uncouthThat would be like putting a paint drop
cloth over my Corvette! (eat your heart out Nick!) -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 304
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Computers
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:02:20
Ahhhhhhhh! It's so nice to finally have the ideal computer - where no one is
gonna tell you what you what you should have instead of a Tandy! After the
demo at the GT - who could cut this one down? Perfection! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 305
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Jeannie
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:01:29
And I think that a 33 qt. garbage bag over your head would greatly
improve your looks. You may even look sexy, then.
Message: 306
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Commodore/Amiga
Subject: Garbage
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:03:09
Well, it may not look as good as those elusive custom covers but the dust
doesn't know the difference and I ain't trying to impress anyone.
Ann, buy yourself a good VIC -20.
The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 3365
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Official Gibberish
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 07:13:06
Uff Da!
Message: 3366
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod & Todd
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:04:25
Ojdhe mdje lued, doenndd aine did 'lewd' - gjehd emted kidienns didiii
dientd did 'lude'??? dje -=*) Kidhjre (*=-
Message: 3367
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Answer !
Subject: All
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 11:01:30
NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message: 3368
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ralph/last
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:04:20
Thank you for shooting us all, Ralph. Yer quite a guy. -Rod
Message: 3369
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann/dydky
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:05:34
Ann, Todd and I ARE communicating in Tonga, honest to Bob. And remember,
Bob spelled backwards is still Bob but God spelled backwards is Dog.
Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 369
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last?
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 01:08:43
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... Loved it!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 370
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 13:40:02
That's ok. You want to get rid of that gross flesh anyway.
Message: 371
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 15:46:23
The correct spelling of my name is "James Taranto."
Message: 372
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last/spelling
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 16:08:54
But I have it correct....???? I re-looked at it and I can't see where I
have it wrong....?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 373
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: GT/introductions
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 18:56:48
I loved the puzzled, searching look on Ralph's face when I was introduced as
"Ron Harvey"
I also loved the first time at Ianuzzi Ristorante when Nick wanted to
introduce me but could only think of "Beau" (and didn't want to use that)
Message: 374
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Beau....
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:07:22
So, what did Nick do? How embarrassing, eh!
Late Night Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 1670
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Tonight...
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 01:12:07
Sigh, last night was the GT... I stayed up so late playing with an art
program after the GT was over, I ended up sleeping most of the day. Now the
problem is, I am wide awake when I should be asleep. Grrrrrr
Now what do I do?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 1671
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:08:48
After the GT I came home and played around till 5:30 a.m. and I slept till
1:30. I like staying up in the dark.
Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 60559
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Last One
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 07:10:11
Ok.........................Everyone...............
Those of you that were invited secretly to this big GT I hope you had a
great time. But if you're not going to invite the public, don't you think
you ought to talk about it on a private sig? Seems like if a user pays for
status she/he ought to qualify for your secret little clique, huh?
See Y'aa..............
Jeannie
Message: 60560
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/OOPS!
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 07:54:12
That word was ment to be signature! (Typo error) -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 60561
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeannie/last
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 07:56:50
I thought you were invited?? I ask where you were and someone said out of
town - Florida somewhere. Would have like to meet you. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 60562
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Jeannie
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:48:19
It was a party for someone else we knew.... It was not just a
regular GT. But...you let me know when you are going to be in town and we
will hold a GT for you as guest $tatus user and invite ALL the other $tatus
and regular users... How does that sound?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 60563
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/WAR!
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:52:51
I bet that opened his EYEs....... "What the......." he mumbles to
himself. Hey, someone throw a SLUR his way and get him to post!
Just kidding... being quite are you?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 60564
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 15:45:07
I realize my handwriting is not great. Your sarcasm is unwarranted.
Message: 60565
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last...
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 16:10:14
I saw nothing wrong with your handwriting at all.... What seems to be the
problem? The card looks great!
Cliff
Message: 60566
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 18:37:23
My handwriting is messy. I am not physically graceful.
Message: 60567
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sri Lanka
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 18:38:44
I believe that, if it is successful in putting down the Tamil insurgency
during the 1990s, Sri Lanka will emerge as the world's leading political and
economic power in the 21st century. Indeed, I believe the 21st century will
come to be known as the Sri Lankan Century. You can read all about it in my
forthcoming book, "Sri Lanka: The Sleeping Giant."
Message: 60568
Author: Stewart MacCabbee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/weirdos&crazies
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 22:04:40
And Ceylonese nationalists.
Message: 60569
Author: Stewart MacCabbee
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: huh?
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 22:06:10
I am feeling phthisical.
Message: 60570
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Astrology
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:14:03
In Thursday's Az. Republic, August 24th, Section F, there is, what I would
call, a all time great article that deals with astrology.
It was meant to be a primer for astronomers who find themselves in a
position of debate with an astrologer.
The article is five message bases long and I would suggest buffering it and
reading it later. A hard copy would also be a good idea for future
reference. -Rod
Message: 60571
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Astrology 1-5
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:14:53
STAR MAN STRIKES BACK Astronomer Sees Flawed Zodiac
by Clarence Petersen Chicago Tribune
"It's a moment at social events that every astronomer dreads,"
says Alan MacRobert, associate editor of Sky & Telescope, a monthly
magazine read by 100,000 professional and amateur astronomers:
"Oh, you're an astrologer? So am I! What's your sign?"
A crowd gathers as the astronomer tries to explain that
astrology has no validity, that it is a pseudoscience dating from an
era when the Earth was thought to be the center of the universe, and
that all it reveals is its believers' ignorance.
Tempers rise.
"Then how did that astrologer on Oprah know that Scorpios are
just like my mother?"
"My tennis buddy is a Ph.D. and he owns two companies. And he
*always* checks somebody's horoscope before he hires him."
"If it's good enough for the president, it's good enough for
me!"
Overpowered, the astronomer heads for the nearest exit.
"That kind of thing not only has happened to me in social
situations -- it's happened in my astronomy classes," says Andrew
Fraknoi, executive director of the Astronomical Society of the
Pacific, with 7,000 members worldwide.
next
Message: 60572
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: 2 of 5
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:15:32
"And I can't tell you how many letters we get addressed to the
'Astrological Society of the Pacific,' wanting to know how we can make
their love lives better."
Schools don't seem to be helping.
A 1984 Gallup poll revealed that 55 percent of American
teen-agers believe in astrology, far more than understand how a lever
works.
So Fraknoi and the editors of Sky & Telescope have developed a
new tactic: an article by Fraknoi in the August issue, "Your Astrology
Defense Kit."
It arms astronomers with an up-to-date reading of astrology and
what's wrong with it, but suggests a kinder, gentler approach to
dealing with the superstition.
"I took a course in astrology before I started debunking it,"
says Fraknoi, a Harvard graduate with a master's degree in
astrophysics from the University of California, Berkeley.
"It does a disservice to everyone if you make a mistake. It
gives the astrologers a chance to say, 'See, those stupid astronomers
haven't even bothered to find out what we know.'
"The basis of astrology," Fraknoi says, "remains disarmingly
simple: A person's character and destiny can be understood from the
positions of the sun, moon and planets at the moment of birth."
next
Message: 60573
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: 3 of 5
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:16:10
Astrology divides the sky into 12 zones, or "houses," which were
named by the ancient Greeks: Aries (the ram), Taurus (the bull),
Gemini (the twins), Cancer (the crab), Leo (the lion), Virgo (the
virgin), Libra (the scales), Scorpius (the scorpion), Sagittarius (the
archer), Aquarius (the water bearer) and Pisces (the fish).
Together, these make up the zodiac, from the Greek *zodiakos
kyklos* ("circle of animals").
"What's your sign?" is shorthand for "In which of the 12 zones
did the sun appear on your birthday?"
But astrological charts are outdated, critics say.
The skies have shifted since the birth of astrology, and the
real constellations and their astrological counterparts no longer
match.
On July 11, 1991, for example, when the moon passes between the
sun and the Earth's Western Hemisphere, anyone with a good telescope
will be able to see the eclipsed sun against the stars of the
constellation Gemini.
But astrological charts show the sun in Cancer, where it was
3000 years ago.
"Astrologers know that the constellations and the zodiac no
longer line up," Fraknoi says. "But they've gone on to develop
systems -- what I think are bizarre systems -- to explain that away.
next
Message: 60574
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: 4 of 5
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:16:48
All the long-range forces we know in the universe get weaker as
objects get farther apart. Yet the importance of Mars in your
horoscope is identical whether the planet is on the same side of the
sun as the Earth or on the other side, seven times further away.
* "If astrological influences don't depend on distance, why is
there no astrology of stars, galaxies and quasars?"
It seems very small-minded of astrologers to limit their craft
to our solar system. "Has the client whose horoscope omits the
effects of Rigel, the Crab pulsar and M31 really had a complete
reading?" Fraknoi asks.
The kinder, gentler approach to debunking astrology gives
astrology the benefit of the doubt.
"But there is a devastating final point," Fraknoi says.
"Astrology simply doesn't work. Many tests have proven that despite
their claims, astrologers can't predict anything.
"We don't need to know how something works to see *whether* it
works. During the last two decades, while astrologers have somehow
always been a little too busy to conduct statistically valid tests of
their work, physical and social scientists have done it for them."
Psychologist Bernard Silverman of Michigan State University, for
example, looked at the birth dates of 2,978 couples who were getting
married and 478 who were getting divorced. He found that
"incompatibly signed" men and women got married and divorced as
frequently as "compatibly signed" ones.
Message: 60575
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: 5 of 5
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:18:49
Physicist John McGervey at Case Western Reserve University in
Cleveland looked at the biographies and birth dates of about 6000
politicians and 17,000 scientists, to see whether members of these
professions were clustered among certain signs, as astrologers
maintain. He found both groups to be randomly distributed.
"One argument we've gotten," says Sky & Telescope editor
MacRobert, "is that some people treat astrology almost as a religion,
and what are we trying to do? Criticize people's religion?
"We're not really aiming this article at people who are
emotionally committed to it.
"The readers we're trying to serve are those who may genuinely
and seriously wonder: 'Is there anything to this or not, and how do I
find out?'
"A framework for understanding astrology's claims is available,
but nobody seems to be making it available to the public in general,"
McRobert adds. "So, we figured this was a service we could do. The
astronomers who read it could then deliver this service whenever they
get drawn into these debates."
Then maybe they could stay for dinner, too, instead of driving
home angry while the stars wheel silently above them.
(I will put the Article, by the same writer, Astrologer Replies, on the
board the next time I log on.) -Rod
Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 554
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/hell
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:10:15
We all know your definition of hell - but what is you definiton of heaven?
Doesn't have to be the Biblical one! Just your opinion. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 555
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod again
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:11:10
I did enjoy the joint we shared outside of Cliff's the other night! Didn't
you? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 556
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Heaven
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 08:50:00
I already entered my formula for 'Heaven' and no one argued it.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 557
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Heaven
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:29:15
Now it is my turn to enter my thoughts about 'heaven'.
Yes, Ann, I enjoyed the joint. Where did you get such, 'ass-kicking' stuff?
HEAVEN -- off the top of my head. By R. Williams
First off, in order to have a true heaven I would say that the human, flesh
and bone, body would have to go. We would have to be of much lighter and
finer 'ethers'. In order to accomplish that, mankind would and will have
to evolve much more. Our diet would have to be of lighter but strong
material. Meat would be out. As we grew lighter we would grow taller as a
matter of course and our dicks would get longer.
I would say that grain products would allow us to accomplish that goal. Of
course we would have to slowly evolve to it otherwise many would die
'early'. Once we achieved a better structual body we would find that
staying awake would be easier and jumping higher would be fun. Our overall
health would be better and our canine teeth would dissapear.
There would be many other benefits as well. Too numerous to mention at this
time.
Again, in order to have heavenly conditions there would definitely have to
be a true understanding of brother and sister-hood among all species.
Message: 558
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: cont.
Date: 08/28/89 Time: 23:37:00
There could be no heaven environment if just a single life form was unhappy
due to a cruel act. All would have to be happy for heaven to exist. There
could be no place like a hell as just knowing that feeling lifeforms were
unhappy, would make everyone unhappy.
All children, whereever they were would be cared for by any grown-up who
happened by. A mother, for instance, would suckel a hungry child.
There would be no capitalism, no communism, socialism or any of those other
isms. It would simply be lifeforms loving and working together in order to
overcome nature's glitches and to explore the vast universe.
Our present physical selves will never be good for space exploration. When
we develop the aforementioned bodies then space travel will be more of a
reality.
The human mind can do much more than what is previously thought. All life
is connected in its electrical energy and anything that can be imagined can
be achieved.
Eternity is a reality and life will be around even longer than that, if that
is possible. Nothing has ever been lost in the universe and nothing ever
will. Life will always be and the addition of affection will cause heaven
to exist. -Rod (Well, that's it so far.)