Apollo BBS Archive - August 1989

Apollo BBS Archive - August 12, 1989


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Message: 5781
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 08:04:33

I have it in my grasp right now. It is wonderful - but MUCH to learn! For
one thing - It skips a line between sentences.  Oh well - my posts will be
even longer! No macros yet either. -=*) ANN (*=-

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Message: 5783
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 14:28:26

        Just turn your computer off ............
Fewer things can go wrong that way ............

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Message: 3329
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Shit-Chat!
Subject: Last
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 14:52:56

        YANK!

and I ain't yankin' Cliff's chain either ................

it's the power cord to your computer, Ann ...............

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Message: 2411
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Short Story
Subject: ... from me!
Date: 08/11/89  Time: 23:35:24

a mouth almost full of blackened, crooked teeth.  He mumbled something about
"here to clean up" and "need a towel."  Ann, being the helpful sort ......

Message: 2412
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Short Story
Subject: Cont.
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 08:07:43

.... grabbed a towel quickly and made a rush to give it to the hunk, when
she slipped on Cliff's gore on the tiled floor. The hunk tried to break her
fall with his muscular arms, with the veins standing out, but she ......

Message: 2413
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Short Story
Subject: Cont ...
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 14:49:13

       ... she was so intent to please the 'pool man' that she quickly flung
her tiny, lacy towel towards the 'pool man' instead of throwing him the
towel already in her hands. Ann wrapped the towel meant for the 'pool man'
around the door knob. Her fall was broken.
        However, ......

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Message: 285
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Next-to-Last
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 03:05:27

  I hope everything came out all right.

          ==========  #(O,~)#  Wink!  ==========

Message: 286
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Commodore/Amiga
Subject: next to Next-to-last
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:03:23

Fall in?

Trace :)
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Message: 3328
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: The last ones
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 08:09:29

Well then, come on over Cliffy baby! (Wink) -=*) ANN (*=-

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Message: 299
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: SYSOP Speaks
Subject: So far....
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 12:29:36

        Eleven of the eighteen people who have pledged for the Zagar Gift
have been accounted for on the financial part of this venture.

        I also have the card back from James Taranto...so it can be signed
if any of you wish to stop by and do so.  However, if you will attend the GT
as posted, you may as well wait till then to do so.

        Thanks.....

(I have a hang-over...  Not from Ann's booze.... but from my allergy pills)

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Message: 301
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: GT
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:04:52

is that the 26th? I can bring the $$$ then, if that is OK....
 
Trace

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Message: 60292
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Heather
Date: 08/11/89  Time: 23:30:25

Gee. I missed her by not logging on last night... damn.

Message: 60293
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Chinese Student 1
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:28:00

        >From NRA - CALIFORNIA NEWS     Reprinted with permission.
 
  Sacramento - The following is an excerpt of a letter received in the
NRA's Sacramento office.  It was written by a Chinese student living in
California whose family still resides in Beijing.  From them the writer
received firsthand reports of the death, destruction and total humiliation
of the Chinese students in Tiananmen Square.  She heard reports of soldiers
shooting the wounded in hospitals and rolling over children with tanks.
 
   She wanted to share her thoughts with all Americans.  But because of the
oppression and the lack of freedom in her country and because she fears for
her family's safety, her name and specific references to her family have
been respectfully withheld.
****************************************************************************
 
Dear Sir,
 
  I am a female student from Beijing, China.  I have very nice parents and a
very happy family.  All of my family are in danger now.
 
  I call them every day since this China tragedy has happened and they tell
me all types of horrible stories which they saw their own eyes.  They are
eyewitnesses and the last word I got from my family is: "don't worry.  If
they get me, they get me.  No matter what happens.  The history and the

Message: 60294
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Chinese Student 2
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:32:11

people will approve that I am right.  Tell the American people never to lose
their guns.  As long as they keep their guns in their hands, whatever
happened here will never happen there."
 
  So many Chinese people got killed or murdered just like ants, because they
didn't have guns to fight back or even protect themselves.  It really makes
me teary.  We have no reason to ignore that.  I think it's a good example
for the American people.  I think Chinese people's blood and death should
wake up American people.  Don't be so naive.
 
  You can never ban all crimes by banning the guns.  The Chinese Government
took away all the guns from the people since 1949. Guns were totally banned.
 
  Since I was a small girl, I was told to love my country, to love Communist
Party, to love the people's army, which I did.  Chinese people trust their
Government, but now the Government is the most terrible criminal in the
world, since the Government made the people turn in their guns in 1949.
 
   They have already totally destroyed my last respect and dream.  Now I'm
watching the American people as they are going to lose their rights of
freedom.  It really makes my heart broken.  I love America and American
people.

   I don't want to see the same thing happen here.  The people losing their

Message: 60295
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Chinese Student 3
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:35:13

guns means they lose the right to protect themselves.  Chinese former
leader, Chairman Mao said: "the power and right comes from the barrel of
guns, who will be the winner, who lose guns, will lose everything."
 
  I learned this from my people's blood and death.  Even if all the guns
were banned, you can't ban the criminal's.  They still have guns.  It's even
better for them.  The military, police have guns.  Who can be sure they will
never turn their guns to their people?  As long as criminals, police and
military are there, the people should never give away their guns.
 
  The other heart breaking thing is before I thought it's free press here,
but actually I found out, there is no free press here either, just like
China, I've had a lot of interviews, T.V., radio and newspaper, but they
only print what they want.  As soon as I mention about guns, they cut it off
immediately, just like the Chinese government did.  They only print their
own opinion and stop all other voice.  It supposed to be equal reporting,
not one voice only.
 
  The American government is very good now, but nobody can guarantee it will
be the same in the future.  The American forefathers foresaw this and that
is why you have the second amendment in the Constitution.  American people,
please take heed before it's too late and irreversible.
 
NAME WITHHELD BY REQUEST

Message: 60296
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:40:49

What I was getting at was your comment that the U.S. and Israel are somehow
to blame for the terrorists' actions.  That attitude is the same attitude
that blames 'society' for a criminal's activity.  Although there may exist
certain 'extenuating' circumstances, the responsibility for their actions
lie ultimately with the terrorist or the criminal.

Your statement sounded just like that of any other terrorist apologist.

Michael Kielsky

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Message: 60298
Author: Phil Farmer
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: stuff
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 01:39:58

I doubt below ground nuclear testing would have any effect on the ozone
layer, but who knows?
 
So, does Jodi Watley look great in hip-huggers, or what?  
 
I recently received a free copy of "World Monitor".  For those who are
interested, it's not a bad rag.
 
I think that K.D. Lang and "Phranc" should be forced to mud wrestle in the
nude.  K.D. Lang, for those who don't know, is a female country music singer
who bears a superficial resemblance to Peter Petrisko.  "Phranc" is a female
folk-singer, and is even more butch than Lang, if that is possible.
 
Why is it that Burmese Buddhas always look like transvestites?
 
People who log on Saturdays, it seems, also have little to say.

Message: 60299
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Spaz
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 05:35:16

I've been told by one of your peers that you are "way intellectual." Did you
ever hear such a thoughtful remark?

Message: 60300
Author: Neon Knight
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Hi!
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 07:37:07

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Message: 60301
Author: Thomas Hart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hi!
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 09:54:01

How is everyone?
 

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Message: 60304
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kielsky
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 13:45:06

A while back I remember hearing a discussion concerning the U.S. military
and the military of the smaller eastern countries such as Iran and others in
the area.  

The U.S. can fly over in a billion dollar plane and wipe out a large area
while the smaller countries can only respond with acts of specific
terrorism.  It was described like an ant attacking a elephant.  What
recourse to the indescretions of the U.S. does a small country have?  I
guess the answer would be 'acts of terrorism.  Neither you or I really knows
what is happening in the world.  Coverups abound and until all major parties
are dead the information will not be released to the general public, of
which you and I are a part.  

I think that each country should find a ten year old boy or girl who has
been reared in a home where love exists.  They should then be placed in the
highest position of that country.  Then a world summit should be held and
peace talks started.  I'd say that in about ten minutes or less our fragile
little world would be at peace.

Our leaders are hard of heart, greedy for personal wealth, and are subject
to the pressures of others in high positions.  

I say, either make peace and get on with some quality, fun living or explode
all existing nuclear bombs all over the world in order to end this tragedy.

Message: 60303
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kielsky/letter
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 13:34:16

        Well, the letter you reprinted from the Chinese person was
interesting.  It is obvious that it did not come from the CIA.  Sounds
genuine to me although a NRA radical could have written it.  Either way, I
agree with its content.

Message: 60305
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 18:33:45

RE:  That letter from the Chinese student.  I cannot verify the veracity of
its source, but it seems to me that the CIA or other U.S. government agency
would be an unlikely source.  It would be kinda silly trying to stir up
people about the iminent loss of their civil rights, all the while
continuing on that same path.

RE:  Terrorism/World Affairs.  You are not really as naive as your message
would have us believe.  Merely ignoring the FACT that there are individuals
with some power, who hate our guts, and can justify that hatred with some
claim that we are responsible for their ills, changes nothing.
   It boils down to this.  They say that they have legitimate claims, and
drive home that claim by the TERRORIZING of the general public.  You must
admit that these tactics only work against relatively free and open
societies, where other methods of settling your claims have a successful
history. Terrorist acts are relatively useless in closed societies, as news
media is controlled, and police power reigns supreme.  Therefore, I can
conclude, that either the terrorist stated goals are not based in legitimate
claims, or their stated goals are merely a facade to conceil their true
goals, the destabilization of an otherwise open and free society.
   For an example, just look at the U.S.  So far, in the name of "Fighting
the War on Drugs", Bennett has managed to diminish the Second Amendment, and
is pushing for a suspension of the privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus.
Thus, in the name of fighting a threat comparable to internal terrorism, our
rights are slowly being eliminated.  Its any totalitarian's dream-come-true.

Message: 60306
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kielsky
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:56:55

      Loyalty is a funny thing.  For instance, a person born in the
U.S. has a loyalty for their country just as a person has a loyalty for
the school they attended or the city and state they live in.  To most
people other schools or states, etc. are somehow inferior.  They are
proud to be where they are as they believe within themselves that they
were dealt the best hand.

      People who are born in Iran or Israel are taught the same
loyalty from birth.  They are made to feel proud to be where they are. 
Their newscasts and the printed word see to it that they are
continually reminded that above all, they are Iranians or whatever they
happen to be.  All other places on the globe, they are assured, are
just not quite as good or as lucky.

      The little Iranian, Shiite Muslim, boy or girl believe, as they
are taught, that America as well as all other places are sub-standard.
They feel the pride of loyalty just as little American boys and girls
do.  It is the same substance.  When an act of aggression is made
against 'their' homeland, the press' job is to see to it that all
citizens take the side of the government, truth be damned.  And the
people believe it, or course.
next


Message: 60307
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kielsky
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:57:34

      Can you just imagine what it would be like if a government
admitted it had made an illegal act of aggression for self profit?  The
people and the soldiers would rebel.  The military fighting man is the
most brain-washed of all people and understandable so.

      My only loyalty, if you can call it that, is to the Universe,
to the Planet Earth, to my family and myself.  I want to live on a good
running world, a place that is fun for everyone.  We aren't even close
to that goal.  This just proves to me that those who pride themselves
on thinking they are the most intelligent species, aren't really
intelligent at all.  Sure, we are smart and cunning and we can build
big buildings and big bombs.  We know how to control the lives of
others while living high on the hog, so to speak, ourselves.  But where
it really matters we are lacking.  Our cities are overburdened with
mayhem of all sorts.  Our prisons are severely overcrowded and our own
government lies to its people in order to change opinion.  I'm sure it
happens, at this time in our human development, in all other lands as
well.  -Rod        


Message: 60308
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kielsky
Date: 08/12/89  Time: 20:07:37

        Your message was good but in your last paragraph you proved my
point.  Our self-serving, Government of the Government, by the Government
and for the Governemnt, One Nation Under Rule will take away our rights just
as we accuse others of.   The war on drugs is a good example in that many a
government person uses, on a regular basis, illegal drugs.  
        Besides, those in Holland have more rights than we do and they are
becoming more progressive.  It would seem that the U.S. is going in a
retro-grade motion concerning individual rights.
        What is the solution?  I suspose it is in politics and that is why I
will support the Liberatrian Party.  Sure, they could be pulling a con-job
on us but I have no other choices short of all out, violent revolution. 
Although I imagine that if people were to get together again like in the 
late sixties and make large marches on government that something would
change for the better.  It may even be fun.  Our politicians own us, so to
speak and it seems that they do what they damn well please.

        We are not only economically bankrupt but morally kaput as well.  We
need the ideas of the Libertarians to gain a large enough entry into
government in order to make some changes.  I am damn tired of the same,
same, same, year after year.  -Rod