Apollo BBS Archive - April 1990

Apollo BBS Archive - April 8, 1990

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Message: 64592
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 16:54:07

Every life form that is on this planet or any other planet or star in the
universe is entitled to a share of its living space by right of birth.

Yes, I went a bit 'far out' in saying, "other planet or star in the
universe" but I want to clarify a point that I have been trying to make.

Suppose we could view a small planet 100 million light years from us.  The
planet has recognizable life forms much like ours.  We are viewing it after
a million years of their civilization has past and they too have many
different systems of government just as we do.  In fact their planet is
much like ours.

Study that scenario for a moment and see if you can arrive at some of the
same conclusions as I did.

For one, I see that all of the people of that planet are related although
they have lost sight of their common ancestry as is natural.

In many of their systems there are people who team up, entire clans who
work together in order to gain control of as much of the land area as
possible.  The majority of the people are not aggressive and are just happy
to live and let live yet one day they realize that the only thing they
possess is the clothes on their back and an old television set or two.

The basics of survival is food, liquid, and cover from the harsh elements.
The food is now controlled by the big corporations along with land.

When a person finds a dwelling whether they rent it by the month or make
mortgage payments it is the same basic difference.  Both cost a person money
and money is derived by taking part in something that takes the peak period
of a persons life to get, over and over again until that person one day
looks back and sees that all they have achieved is to spend most of their
time doing something they thought as not a very fulfilling duty.

Food is the same way.....the dwellings we are to live in do not have
enough space for us to cultivate our food and even if they did our time is
very limited after giving our life for the production of goods.  Even our
children are taken away for their peak periods and are taught to add and
subtract and prepare for jobs of production for a corporation.

I have not watched my children starve but I feel saddened by the thought of
the world they are growing in and what will be expected later in life. 
They too will be required by law to produce or live in the streets and
alleys.  

Many, understandably so, flock to established organizations that teach such
things as, 'the more you suffer now the better will be the afterlife'. 
Many people want to believe it because it makes a harsh reality look
better and easier to take.

I would readily concede that Capitalism has worked and is working if it
were easy for every person to acquire a suitable cover for themselves
without having to become moral prostitutes to a system that says in basics,
'our duty is to own everything'.  Parker Brothers, during the depression of
the thirties had the right idea in Monopoly.  In real life that game is
being played and with peoples lives and livelihoods but the money is the
same, backed by the paper it is printed on, nothing more.

Capitalism is an evil game ran by an evil empire backed by nuclear
warheads.  An important tool of any system is to teach the people that what
they read in their presses is the god-honest truth while what they read in
other system papers is propaganda.  Government backed religions use this
tool also with quite a lot of success.

The taxes one pays on a dwelling today is proportional to what their
mortgage payment was thirty years ago.  Capitalism depends on profits in
the form of rising prices.

The many people who are unsettled, who have hawkish landlords with their
hands out for the 'rent' on the first of the month and NOT on the second,
are the same people who find themselves on the other side of the law. 
Many more prisons are being planned and built in order to house this
population.  It isn't that they 'smoked a joint' or tried to find other
suitable ways of relaxing or escaping for just a moment, it is that they do
not have productive jobs in a corporation serving the capitalistic empire.

Woe to the system whose prisons are full for this is the most damning
evidence one could ask for.  But it is all overlooked by the press because
they too need paper money to survive.  They too have children and houses
and like to eat.  They to have landlords.

Give to the Lord that which is the Lords and you will have a house and food
to eat.  The elements will not harm you as long as you pray to the Lord on
the first day of each month.

                                        Rod

Message: 64596
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John Cummings
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 17:07:14

As I see it your message on Marx and human nature rings of truth.  I don't
think, at this time, that any made up system will work.  We humans have a
lot to work out in order to acheive a good world.  

I am not attacking Capitalism anymore than any other system that I know of. 
They, it seems, all run about the same with Government being the ruling
class and the common person being the working class.  Survival of the
fittest.

Perhaps if every member of this system were to team up, so to speak, and put
our resources together, we could start a corporation and produce a product
that would make us ruling class.  We would need Cliff and Dean as they
control the weaponry and could get us out of some 'jams' later on.

NOTE:  When I said 'system' in the last paragraph I meant Apollo.

We could then acquire land, build on it, rent or lease it out and evict
people who didn't cough up the money on time.  (Just a joke there)

How'se about we become international drug dealers....gee, perhaps then we
could even become suppliers to the ruling class if we did it right.  In
numbers there is power especially if some of those numbers are profecient at
using weapons, eh!
This message is half-joke, half-serious....I've got a couple thou, perhaps.

Message: 64600
Author: Freddy Freckles
Category: War!
Subject: clif
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 19:51:09

clif is a JERK

Message: 64601
Author: Tom Hudson       *ME
Category: Joke
Subject: the last
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 20:53:23

You mean cli is a jerk?

Message: 64602
Author: John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Marx/etc
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 21:57:04

I'm dismayed and concerned that any intelligent American now could have the
Rod Williams outlook on the world.  Maybe I've not been calling this board
often enough, but that really concerns me.  Our system (I mean U.S., not
only Apollo, is not only the best available in the world today, but is the
best so far in history! And number 2 is far far behind! There are some
homeless people, yes. There are some unfortunates, yes. But EVERYONE has the
right and the chance to improve. And under this system, most do so. Marx and
communism fail because they don't recognize humanity. Capitalism succeeds
because it doesn't need to recognize humanity--it offers each person the
ability to improve. More some other time.---John C.
Plz excuse the typos, I'm not good at editing yet on this board.

Message: 64603
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: One before last
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 22:59:38

No, he meant cl

Message: 64604
Author: James Allison
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Game/BBS
Date: 04/08/90  Time: 23:59:57

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Message: 64605
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Who?
Date: 04/09/90  Time: 00:24:35

You mean     

Message: 64606
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Politics
Subject: John
Date: 04/09/90  Time: 00:37:16

I see that you keep up with the press.  Do yourself a big favor and check
out Holland.  I not only believe that our countries government is less
fair than that country but so much so that I am taking donations to move
there.

The U.S. has a participatory democracy in that we the people get a choice
of two hand-picked candidates for president.  Both are of the same basic
party, Democrat and Republican.  Both serve big business, and both deny
serving special interest groups which are essentially the people.

If you actually believe that you help pick the next president then you
believe just what you are expected to believe.

Oh sure, Ron Paul ran on the Libertarian Party ballot last election but
was, for the most part, ignored by all main media presses including radio
and television.  Anyone who is not willing to serve big business does not
stand much of a chance unless some strange grass-roots movement actually
develops.  Barring that, look for more of the same, choice of crook number
1 or crook number 2.  Hey, you've got a choice, don't you?

Local elections are pretty much the same way.  Support business interests
and find that you have supporters who can and will see that you get
elected.  Bad mouth business and support is near zero.  Hope that you have
millions of dollars but if you do then you are big business.

There are many 'throwaway' people in this country.  Once you are considered
by business to be over the hill then look forward to very substandard
living conditions.  The programs for these people are lacking in funds
because they are not being supported by government.

If you have any relatives who are in government then go into the
production of war products.  Everyone will make millions from you and you
will do quite well yourself.
                                                Rod