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Rod...
When you read the posts.... THINK!!!!!! Part is truth with a
little hype for excitment and a few colorful metaphors thrown to get people
excited.
And to make sure you understand the truth part... I do believe there
is loads of PROOF there is a God... Therefore I am NOT an AGNOSTIC. The
term Agnostic was developed for the people that would say "I just do not
know if there is a God or not"... Christians do not fall under this or any
other religion in which they believe in a God. You have your meaning of the
word crossed up.
[R]eread or [C]ontinue:Continue
Mail from James Taranto
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 16:12:19
Who is Charles Williams?
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply
Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
1: I am Charles Williams. My parents named me Charles and then always
2:referred to me as Rodney. Later I dropped the 'ney'. When I entered the
3:First Grade I was called Charles by my Teacher, Mrs. Propst, room 101. I
4:cried and when I went home I told my mom that I was being called by a name
5:that I did not recognize. She wrote a note and then I was called Rodney.
6: Hope this answers your question.
7:
8:I save our discussions when you phone from Washington but tonight when I was
9:going to re-read and save the text, Courtney unplugged my computer. Do you
10:think that God had anything to do with this?
11: -Rod
Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 144
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sig
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 18:47:03
Boy, looks like you all are REALLY digging deep
to find something to talk about.
Message: 145
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 19:15:58
They may have to dig deeper soon....
Message: 146
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: DIG
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:13:24
I have a shovel. What say we go shovel some BS off the main board?
The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 3059
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question ?
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 08:21:13
I third that! Uhhh - what did he say? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 3060
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 20:08:37
Zak-
I think Ann is talking about the one she got 6 months ago. She thinks that
since you have been away to school that you don't know about it.
Message: 3061
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Who-dun-it
Subject: THANG
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:14:34
See how innocent Zak plays. That guy is a natural actor.
Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 58399
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Thornburg
Date: 04/28/89 Time: 18:28:54
I said I would rather spend eternity in the Lake of Fire than be impaled on
a ski pole. I did not say that, therefore, I was going to go out and impale
myself on a ski pole in order to escape the Lake.
Message: 58400
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 04/28/89 Time: 18:49:22
People who believe in an other God than my own are not agnostic you fool.
I posted the definition of agnostic... you can't read or you would have seen
it is not how you understand the word to mean. But then with your brain
burnt out on hard drugs, I understand your stupidity.
As for you turning in your BLUE $tatus, there ain't no anchor tied
to your @$$ holding you here. I figured if you were insulted a little like
you dish it out to the Christians... you would put your tail between
your legs and run... Frankly I don't give a flying #^(% one way or another.
Cliff
Message: 58401
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Religion
Subject: God from other parts
Date: 04/28/89 Time: 18:54:55
The God in other parts of the world is the same God in most cases.
The proof there is one is all over the world and in the Bible. But only a
fool like you would take all the proof in a negative way. If you choose not
to believe...fine with me.... but why the hate to others that choose?
Answer that!!!
Cliff
Take sentence one Rod... There is a God!
Take sentence two Rod... I believe there is PROOF!
There by and therefore.... how can you call me an AGNOSTIC?
Take sentence four Rod... I don't care if you believe or not (meaning I am
not pushing my religion on you)
Take the last question Rod... You push your crapola on everyone who is a
Christian... Why?
Message: 58402
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/shooting
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 07:48:59
Don't worry - I don't think Ralphy can shoot very stright! Now, Sandy is
another story ..............
Message: 58403
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/truth
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 08:18:22
Did I ever tell you that I like your posts? Also, I like the way you form
them - Quoting the person first and then answering. Very good.
I did want to comment about you statement - 'Truth is truth and false is
false'! Personally, my point is - I don't think there is such a thing! Truth
to Jane Doe isn't the same to Joe Blow - ditto John Doe and Jane Blow! Even
among the different Christian religions there are questions on what is truth
even though they basically believe in the Bible, but inturpret it
differently. I.E. is a Morman's belief's more truth than a Catholics? Yes, I
believe that JIm Jones was the epitomy of evil, but to his followers, he was
'the Truth' see? I think he was false, but that doesn't make it particually
so, only to me! Individually, we all must choose what is true & false for
us. We cannot condemn others for their interprutation (sp). I think the same
thing applies to 'right & wrong' too - but with one exception, if it hurts
someone else, then it is wrong. But I still say, there is no truth or false.
Comment? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58404
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 08:29:15
Was Apollo down for awhile this morning? I called several times and got no
answer - Ralph said the same thing. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58405
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann on Down Time
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 08:38:49
Yes, I turned Apollo off yesterday late evening when I saw the
system had not been used for six straight hours. Why waste electricity?
Sandy turned it on at 7:30 this morning. I am looking to reduce operating
hours since the system lately has gone for hours between callers.
How about from 10am to 10pm for on line time.... That way it gives the
aging hardware and SYSOPs some rest.
It was sure quiet in the computer room for a change.... I enjoyed
the silence. I am looking forward to Apollo's retirement and with some user
trying to tell me what I believe and don't believe, that may not come soon
enough!
Cliffy
(a good night sleep sure changes things)
Message: 58406
Author: Jim Nichols
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Philosophy
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 13:27:32
The night is dark and the Moose wanders far from its home.*
Message: 58408
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 20:19:01
What do you expect when you turn off the computer for a few hours?
This whole argument centers around everyone not being able to handle
criticism of their faiths (or lack of). You people are too stressed out.
Give it a rest.
Message: 58409
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: So...
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 20:57:59
Anyone want to talk abortion?
Message: 58410
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: ann/death
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 22:57:15
I think the problem with death is that it seems to be associated with
suffering and sickness. If one could only just go to sleep and wake up in
another dimension - then what's to fear?
I always feared death because of that - even as a Christian. Now I am so
certain that death is merely an extension of living that I no longer fear
it. I think there are many, many, instances where it would be far worse to
have to continue living than it would be to die.
Thanks for the interesting discussion...
Carol->
Message: 58411
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/58403
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:16:49
Well stated.
Message: 58412
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hawley/58408
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:18:23
Good message.
Message: 58413
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Subject:
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:21:20
Today I sat down and wrote what I believe will help an ailing world.
The next four message bases are for your pleasure or criticism. Enjoy or
hate, what can I say. Tis how I believe.. -Rod
Message: 58414
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: In search of
Subject: Truth
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:22:08
TROUBLE IN PARADISE by Rod Williams
Admittedly, our little world is screwed up. I have a special
theory that explains why this is so and I know you are just dying for
me to clarify it for you. So I will.
I will specifically talk about this nation but every major country
in this world has the same type of obstacle.
It is quite evident that our problems begin with our youth.
When a youngster develops a bad attitude at an early age, it is often
carried into the later years.
When a child is given illogical answers by a figure of
authority, whether it be a parent, teacher or whoever, confusion
develops. It has been noted that children from a scientific background
acquire fewer emotional problems in later years than those from a
religious one. The children of ministers will often develop serious
problems early in life, whereas those from a scientifically educated
environment fare much better.
next
Message: 58415
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: In search of
Subject: Truth 2
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:22:55
When children are given 'fairy-tale' answers, by authority, to
questions of a serious nature, the young persons mind is bent and may
remain that way for life. When a child is told that there is a special
place of eternal torment for those who do not believe in this person,
Jesus, their little minds, if one had x-ray vision, could be seen to
sizzle. Thus they are introduced to a false scenario of life that
defies all reasoning. The more dense or susceptible the youth, the
more it will affect decisions in later life. To those who are the
questioning type, they soon realize that what authority is telling them
is unreasonable and they have little choice but to become non-
conformists.
Most children are started out in life by being made to believe
there is a Santa Clause, Easter Bunny and a Deity. It is only
reasonable to believe that once a child finds out that they were lied
to about the first two entities I mentioned, it stands to reason that
the person will raise some serious doubts in their minds about the
existence of the third named entity. After all, when a child learns to
reason, they can see no more logic to a person who watches over us,
punishing some, rewarding others than a fat jerk who can somehow manage
to fit down a fireplace even though they don't have one. Or an bunny
rabbit that delivers eggs and other assorted gifts. Or a person that
is called God that demands belief in a son of his that died for
everyone's sins. Ridiculous.
Message: 58416
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: In search of
Subject: Truth 3
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:23:39
Starting kids out in this fashion is damaging to the mind, to
say the least. Starting life out with a big lie has no doubt caused
the people of this world to undergo more pain and turmoil than would
have been if only scientific data was passed around. Minds are made
wishy- washy by this information. This is a wishy-washy world.
Kids are even taught by their ministers that so and so church, a
few blocks down the street, does not teach the TRUE message. Even
though that other church is Christian, even though the members look
the same, even though they are basically the same in every way, they are
not learning the true meaning and are subject to hell, fire and
brimstone for their efforts. THIS KIND OF NONSENSE IS A LARGE PART OF
WHAT IS WRONG IN PARADISE.
Religion is not necessary. The true fact that all are related
to each other and that we are on a fragile spaceship which we call
Earth would be helpful. If this and only this was told to the young,
our world today would be so much better off.
next
Message: 58417
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: In search of
Subject: Truth/last
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:24:14
But no, everyone has to have their Deity. They have to feel
that they know of the true one, and most others do not know. It's
sick, if you ask me and until it changes, all I see for this place is
some sort of nuclear holocaust. Yes, nuclear holocaust. Why? Because
even this is taught that it must come to pass in order for good things
to take place. This is ignorance, pure and simple. But what can one
expect from a species that is still fairly new? Truth I hope. It's
about time for it. Lies have not worked. -Rod
Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 303
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 04/28/89 Time: 18:56:12
Rod is a hatefull bloody fag.....
Brain dead AssHole!
How many times have I told you there is proof of God all around you?
If I believe that there is Proof... how the fuck can you think I am agnostic
? I have told you this many times... your brain is faulty as you can't
remember. Read the meaning of the word agnostic..... and read it with an
open mind... Forget that... you can't open a dead mind.
I also knew you would "Cry and say you might give up your Blue
$tatus"... fine, you can't take one fifth of what you dish out. (Note: you
have been calling us Christian "brain dead assholes" for years in one form
or another.)
If you do forsake your Blue $tatus, I will wipe it off the disk of
Apollo in a second..... and redo all my backups to make sure it is destroyd.
Look in my eye.... do you see any tears? Fuck No!
However if you want to play the game.... then keep your blubbering
about $tatus to yourself, and talk the issue or issues..... And read the
[R]ules about NOT demeaning other users.
Sorry you don't like my posts... thats too fucking bad..... asshole!
Cliff
Message: 304
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Folks ...
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 08:23:35
... do you get the impression that Cliff is mad at Rod? Hmmm ... just a
hunch! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 305
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last...
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 08:43:58
Just "WORDS" Ann..... And you know "WORDS" can't hurt anyone, now
can they? It's just a matter of what order you place them in to get a
meaning across. With some it takes more colorful metaphors than others.
Naaa, If Rod were here right now, I would probably hug him....
(Does hugging tightly around the neck count?)
Cliffart
Message: 306
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last few
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 20:20:45
Rod offers to give up his blue $tatus as much as Cliff threatens to take
Apollo down. What will happen will happen. Don't worry, be happy.
Message: 307
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: Cliffy
Date: 04/29/89 Time: 23:28:39
Fuck you, dip shit. By the way, if words do not hurt then how'se
about me calling you a.......BIG FUCKING, A-G-N-O-S-T-I-C fag. Huh?
Well, gotta go, it's almost time for my next heroin fix. Hmmm, boy
it is really good when it is mixed with crack.
R-O-D