Apollo BBS Archive - April 1989

Apollo BBS Archive - April 28, 1989


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Message: 3055
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 06:39:10

     You received yet ANOTHER Thang?  No way!  It wasn't me!
     What are the details?  Do tell.

Message: 3056
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Zakey/last
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:12:37

It's big! -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 3057
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:03:01

If you ask me, we ought to go ahead with the general application of
nonlinear spectroscopy of living processes, as the baseline for research in
agricultural-related matters entirely.

Message: 3058
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:05:05

        I'll second that.

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Message: 58376
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Alan/faith
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 05:31:18

 Since you asked, I'll give you my perspective, although I expect that you
will find as many reasons for believeing in God as you will find believers.
 For me, my faith is founded both in my Christian upbringing, and in the
fact that God has proven Himself to be absolutely everything He has claimed
to be, time and time again in my life, as well as the lives of those with
whom I have come into contact who have embraced the same faith. 
 I have seen God functionally in history, history that has been
substantiated by archeology and other sciences, and I have witnessed the
power and the love of God experientially in my life as He has revealed
Himself in and through me.
 While I have never seen God in the totality of His being, (indeed, no man
has), nor have I ever physically heard the voice of God, He has surely
spoken to me many times and in many ways, and everything He has told me has
come to pass or has benefited my life tremendously any time I have listened
and applied His words.
 Ergo, I believe, nay, I KNOW, by faith, that God exists, and that He is the
rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
 You may scoff or ridicule if you wish. I also believe that we will all be
held accountable for every word that proceeds out of our heart one day, and
on that day, all will be believers, some to rewards, others to judgement.

Message: 58377
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Williams
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 05:40:41

Your ignorance is so monumental as to be unworthy even of this response.
 What did the 10 year old boy do> He obviously ignored one of the most
primary of rules, one that he was undoubtedly taught from early childhood.
He ran into the street without looking. THere is absolutely NO spiritual
application here. Why do you insist on taking even so sad an opportunity to
hold the beliefs of others up to ridicule?
 You are a perfect example of a proctologist's nightmare, and the best
walking around argument for retroactive birth control I know. Why don't you
crawl back to Haight-Ashbury!

Message: 58378
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Thornburg/58315
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 06:28:39

RE:  "I take it you are a nonbeliever.  What else can I say?"
 
How about saying "lame response"?  That seems to fit, seeing as how you
didn't bother to reply to the rest of my message.

Message: 58379
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Answer!
Subject: Lippard's innocence
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 06:30:22

     For the record, Jim didn't really get hurt skiing.  Bad joke.  I made a
bad joke.  He's in perfect health.  So I guess God'll get him later.

Message: 58380
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Rod's posts
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 09:37:29

        They are getting profain again.... It is because of this kind of
crap and insults that I wish to shut down Apollo... Hell, the good users
have been chased away.  
        Really now, this board looks SICK to a potential new user... with
one post after another by Rod trying to knock down Christians.  No wonder we
have no new members.  I even want out!
        I do not mind the religion debates.... but Rod can't hold back the 
insults...  He called me agnostic about a year ago, and I have had nothing
to do with him since then.  I no longer go visit him or consider him a
good friend because he overstepped his bounds.

Cliff speaking here.....  Anyone else agree or disagree?

Message: 58381
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Religion
Subject: Paul/#58377 to Rod
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 09:52:54

'Thems fightin' Christian words there eh Paul? And in another post you
declared that we will all be held accountable for every word that we utter.
Tsh. tsh. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 58382
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zakey/#58379
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 09:56:56

NO! But God will get you for lying fellow! I'll just have to send you
another tutorial - this time, on how to be good! 
BTW - are you gonna stick around this time? -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. It was just the other day I was watching the tape I took (Nick took) of
the the GT at Cliff's for Tom Slone - there's a great shot of your sneakers!

Message: 58383
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:09:28

I agree and disagree - what good users have been chased away? The ones here
have been here for years and log in almost every day. Personally, if I was a
first time logger and read the BB - I'd be thrilled at such controversy is
going on about a varity of subjects and join immediately. You should check
out some of the other BBS's and see what I mean. BORING! No one talks about
anything but games or a few computer subjects. I doubt very much that anyone
would log in from another city, muchless another state like JT does. 
Rod does not offend me - however, he does have his own sig. and should post
there if there is a problem. He just got carried away is all. Please don't
forget that Rod has kept this board going many times when it bogged down by
introducing a controversial subject and NOT just religion either.
Would you have us all agree with each other? Please think about this before
you depart again. You have added fuel to the fire many times and we all
enjoyed it. Isn't that what BBSing is all about? -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 58384
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Paul/the accident
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:19:34

Why would you think there was no spiritual application to the boy's
accident, yet you suggested it might be so with the skiing accident of Jim
Lippard - however fake it was, you didn't know at the time?
                          -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 58385
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Religion
Subject: Agnostic
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 11:25:33

Webster's new twentieth century dictionary, unabridged, 2nd edition,

ag-nos'tic, n. one who thinks it is impossible to know whether there is a
God or a future life, or anything beyond material phenomena.  The name was
suggested by Huxley in 1869.

        I Know there is a God...I feel it.  I do not feel it is IMPOSSIBLE
to comprehend this, therefore *I* am not an agnostic.  I resent highly other
persons telling me otherwise.  Do I make myself clear?  I take calling a
Christian an agnostic worse than calling him any other four letter word.
When used in that content, I will consider it to be a profain post!


There, there Ann....  I was upset by Rod's profanity, but then when one
considers the source, an Agnostic, Commune-ist, Atheist...hell bent on
spewing his anger at everyone because they are happy in their Christian
beliefs... I did calm down and did not hit the big ZAP key after all.

God bless all you users who put up with anti-Christian posts, and keep
logging on Apollo.  

The SYSOP Family

Message: 58386
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 15:17:06

  I think Ann said it pretty well. Anyone who would be driven away by Rod
wouldn't have been any fun anyway.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 58387
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 16:59:48

Just don't go pounding your breasts and claiming national implications.

Message: 58388
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mormon/Christian
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:19:34

Re:  "Who said that a Morman is not a christian?"

I don't know.  I didn't say it.
However, Mormons call themselves Mormons.  Christians who are not Mormons
never call themselves Mormons, so when I said Todd was a Mormon and Paul was
a Christian, I was just telling it like it was.

Message: 58389
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan H.
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:21:43

Re:  "So, to all you
theists, why did you pick the Christian God in particular to have faith in?"

It was the only logical choice.

Message: 58390
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Shoot
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:23:10

If Ralphy is going to shoot all the Christians, remind me not to come to the
next "Shoot Out GT"!

Message: 58391
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Truth
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:36:12

Re:  "How can something that is based on faith be an 'Absolute'? Truth?"

I don't know!  I didn't use the term "absolute" in my posts.  I just used
the word truth.  What other kind of truth is there?  Lets keep it simple for
my benifit.  Originally I was trying to make the point that truth is truth
and false is false.  You cannot mix them up.

As for your other questions, good grief.  Hypothetical questions only
deserve hypothetical answers, right?  How do I know that Dick and Jane are
not right?  I rely on my spiritual sense to tell me the truth.  Believe me,
Dick and Jane and anyone else who believe in Allah are, wait a minute,
believe in Allah for what??  You didn't say.

Re:  "What if Jim Jones was indeed Christ"
I can't believe you meant that as a serious question.  The guy was the
epitome of evil.

Re:  "Couldn't Jesus have decided NOT to die on that cross if He
wished?"

I suppose so, but he didn't.  Actually, Christ *didn't* want to die on the
cross.  He made that clear in his prayer in the garden of Gethsemane where
he said, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not
as I will, but as Thou wilt."

Message: 58392
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:39:59

Re:  "How can a statement of preference be illogical?"

Why is that hard?  For example, if I like Ice cream from "31 Flavors" better
than ice cream from "McDonalds", it would be *illogical* for me to always go
to McDonalds for ice cream.  That is, if I could afford the ice cream at 31
Flavors. 

Message: 58393
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Logic
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:44:32

Re:  "That's TOTALLY, TOTALLY, illogical."

I can understand why you would say that.  It's right in the Bible.
(Did I already say this once?  Stop me if you've heard it.)

1 Corinthians 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
[them], because they are spiritually discerned.

It is only *natural* that you would think my belief in God is foolishness
and illogical.

Message: 58394
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:46:14

Re:  "And by the way, when I hear of someone who has
turned to religion after a personal tragedy, I mark it up to temporary
insanity."

What do you mark it up to when someone turns *away* from religion after a
personal tragedy??  Hmmmmmmmmm?

Message: 58395
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: News Today
Subject: Accident
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:48:55

Rod, I want to address your question, but I'm running out of time, and I got
to leave on a trip in the morning.  I'll get to it sometime next week.

Message: 58396
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:11:17

        You're lame and from the looks of it will remain so until the day
your body dies.

Message: 58397
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:12:03

        A person who turns away from religion after a tragedy would be a
person who had some sense knocked into him.

Message: 58398
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:16:56

        Hey, I'll gladly turn in my blue status and leave this system if it
will make you happy.  In fact, the fewer posts that I see of yours, the
better I feel.  It is relatively easy to blow you mind.  I said that you
were an agnostic because you or any other Christian has no positive proof of
the existence of a diety.  I still claim it.
        If you take a people from different parts of the world who hold
their religions as truth and call them agnostic, they would respond in the
same way as you.  Yet they believe in a completely different deity.  So, for
you to believe you have the correct deity and not they, you would think they
must really not know.  
        In other words Cliffy, weak minds sink ships.

*=* Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board entered *=*

Message: 300
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: I think ...
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:16:35

.. Paul Savage should be in this sig. Also, Bob Thornburg. Fun, fun fun.
                          -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 301
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Bob and Paul
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 11:27:05

        Invite them if you wish...  

Message: 302
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: God
Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:17:42

        GOD IS A BLOODY FAG.

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