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Late Night Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 1630
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Todd Reese
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 02:19:45
Interesting you should use the quote, "Wake up and smell the coffee" on
the late night board. That's some sort of anachronism, or bad pun, or...
What I dispute is who needs to do the waking up. That's what I hate
about dogmatic belief systems, they are self-validating. There is no room
for growth or improvement, for change when flaws are found with certain
points of view. This goes just as well for dogmatic atheism and libertarian
-ism as it does for Christianity and right-wing conservativism (or
socialistic liberalism).
Ya know what I mean?
Oh, and by the way, Mormonism sucks.
Message: 1631
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 00:28:50
Boy, you guys take the cake. First Rod brings up my religion, calling me
ignorant. Do I take it seriously? No. Rod thinks that any belief system
other than his own is ignorant. So what do I do? Make some casual
conversation. After all, this is the late night sig. Then what happens?
This Zak fellow decides it's time for "The World according to Zak" hour,
ending with an unwarranted, undeserved cheap shot.
That's fine, Zak. Have at it.
Message: 1632
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: the SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Zak/Todd
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 09:41:01
I saw it Todd... It was a cheap shot done in poor taste on Zaks
part. He should APOLLOgize to you if he has any moral feelings at all.
This in not the SIG for that kind of stuff anyways...
Cliff
Message: 1633
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Zak/message
Date: 04/27/89 Time: 00:07:52
Zak was smashed on M & M's when he wrote the message in question. Todd, I'm
glad you don't take my comments too seriously. I smile when I post them. I
hope you do the same. Rod
P.S. Mormonism sucks.
$tatus Club Bulletin Board command:EC
You chose Chit-Chat
Subject:Sandy/answer
Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
1: The following five message are on abortion and describe the use of
2:seaweed. Skip what you want. -Rod
22:Sandy, the second message deals with the sea weed. -Rod
NOTE: I uploaded the five messages labeled, Abortion 1-5 .ASC
$tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 5453
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Last
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 17:00:50
Is using seaweed supposed to imply a healthy abortion?
Message: 5454
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sandy
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:14:46
I checked out abortions a few weeks ago at the ASU library. I have
the file on my findings on disk but I only scanned it. Seaweed is used but
I will have to read the file. I will report.
Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 142
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: LAST
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 02:07:34
That quote is out of context!
Peter
Message: 143
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Peter/Zak
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:15:42
Your mama.
Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 160
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: For Sale!
Subject: Psssst!
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 02:10:10
Anybody want to buy some MCI codes? How about a nice Compuserve
password? Sound good? $10 or best offer.
Peter
Message: 161
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Hardware Not Listed
Subject: last
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 03:47:55
Didn't you do enough babbling on the main board?
Message: 162
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Bit Bucket Talk
Subject: Nick/last
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 17:07:25
He is not babbling here, he is psssssting.
The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 3044
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 08:41:04
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Message: 3045
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 12:26:54
Ann I Have some of the best darkroom equiptment made and have played
with photography for over 50 years, but I'm not a dirty old man.
Love Ya,
Message: 3046
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: THANG
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 02:14:09
Ann, do you still have the Thang, or did it shrivel up? Did it corrode
and did you have to throw it out, or what? I'm not asking because I was
involved IN MAKING IT, or anything like that, I'm just asking because, well,
quite frankly, I'm a curious guy. So what'd you do with the dick?
Peter
I mean, Zak
Message: 3047
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer !
Subject: Ralphy/#3045
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 08:06:17
Your NOT a dirty old man????? Hahahhahahahahaha. Love ya. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 3048
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer !
Subject: Zakey Baby
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 08:12:25
Since you've been gone, I have recieve another THANG and this one is a work
of art!
Sorry! I can't tell you what I do with the 'dick' - be too embarrassed!
-=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. You still using and reading my tutorial? Has your music tastes changed
for the better? I certainly hope so. Tsh, tsh, tsh. I still have the
bleeding Jesus picture. Saw a bigger version of it in the movie 'Born in
East L.A.' -- guess some people just have more class than others. I'm
thinking of getting it enlarged.
Message: 3049
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Question ?
Subject: Last
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 17:15:07
Getting what enlarged ....... ?
Message: 3050
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Thang!
Subject: Sandy Sis sop
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 18:48:42
It is already too big.
Message: 3051
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:22:36
When James was in Costa Rica (or in California getting in an
accident) he bought me a big Jesus that blinks at me when I walk by. I have
it hung upside down in my computer room. He keeps me company. The reason
He is upside down is because I have a heart. After hanging right side up
for two thousand years, I thought I'd give the old boy a change of pace. I
just have to remember to keep alternating his position from time to time.
Wow, I bet those nails make his hands and feet smart. The picture is the
same as the one used in Born in East L.A. and it is also the same size. I
just wish it glowed in the dark. Maybe the next time James has his
'heavily insured' van stolen and leaves the country he can get me one. The
only hitch in the operation was the accident. Oh well. -Rod
Bulletin Board command:RC58278-
Message: 58278
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/22/89 Time: 03:56:17
Watch it. Everybody knows that God is a guy.
Message: 58279
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B. Dog
Date: 04/22/89 Time: 06:20:32
I sometimes wonder if anybody hears things like that. Got a kick out of
that one.
Message: 58280
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob
Date: 04/22/89 Time: 06:24:03
The morning host had a couple of women as guests who had formed an
organization for short people, and the conversation was just humerous enough
to me that I called in and had a little fun with them. Said things like I
was 5'4", and at 63, shrinking a little, and as I looked at my waistline, I
could see some of my tall becoming wide. Things like that. It was fun. I
find myself calling in when the issues under discussion appeal to either my
sense of humor or community.
Message: 58281
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 04/22/89 Time: 22:07:58
Re: "When a person dies then they either go to
heaven, that is if they are good here on earth, or they go to LLEH if they
were bad."
Not according to the Bible Rod. There is only one reason why a person goes
to either heaven or hell, and it has nothing directly to do with being good
or bad.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting
life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not
is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.
Don't feel bad about it Rod. A lot of people think they know what the Bible
says, but never took the time to really check it out.
Message: 58282
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/22/89 Time: 23:44:22
That seems simple enough. Yet, what possible interpretations of "belief"
might there be? What constitutes "belief," and where in the Bible is this
explained fully?
"Truth" seems to be a matter of perspective.
Message: 58283
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/truth
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 02:11:25
In reality Bob, you and I, assuming that we are intelligent, thinking
individuals, are in fact, agnostic. No one really knows, Bob. Not really.
Faith in something does not make it so. A person could have the strongest
belief that the world was flat or that planet earth was the center of the
universe but it still would not make it so. Right? -Rod
P.S. I suppose there is only one way to find the truth of the matter and as
we have learned, dead men tell no tales.
Message: 58284
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 14:28:35
Re: ""Truth" seems to be a matter of perspective."
Only to a follower of Joe Smith. Why take that which is simple and make it
complicated?
Message: 58285
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Truth
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 14:37:23
Rod, I agree with what you say in message 58283. Almost. It is only
logical that if God has a will for his creation, that he would make it
possible for his creation to know his will. I think his provision was made
through the Bible. I believe it; you don't; that's our difference. Because
I believe it, I also believe that I know spiritual truth. The Bible is
"foolishness" to you. I can understand how you think that. I thought that
way about the Bible for over 30 years.
Message: 58286
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/last
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 16:29:37
Even when I was a Christian I thought the Bible was lacking in text
and too ambigous. There are much better books in print that are easier to
read, more to the point, and can teach one good moral values.
So, are you an agnostic when it comes right down to the nitty?
Rod
Message: 58287
Author: Veronica Mundy
Category: Religion
Subject: Above
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 20:48:12
I've heard it said that there are no athiests in Hell. I wonder
what that means.
#################### Sic Transit Gloria Mundi ####################
Message: 58288
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Mundy/:ast
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 05:19:05
It means that whoever you heard it from knows not whereof he or she speaks.
Message: 58289
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Movie review
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 08:40:08
We saw Pet Sematary last night and alas, I feel another Stephen King
movie/taken from the a novel will bite the dust! The screen play itself (by
King himself!) was great and pure. There was very little deviation from the
novel and what was changed was for shortening purposes. In other words - the
story was intact. It was the miss-casting of the leads that ruined the
picture. They didn't have one ounce of charisma - nor did Fred Gywnn who
played Jud Crandall. I like Gwynn, but he didn't fit htis part of the crusty
Crandall. Even the little girl Ellie Creed was miss-cast. She actually
looked ill! Only the little boy Gage was cast properly. For horror fans, I
suppose it was a good movie - I don't know because I've read the book so
much, I watched the movie with critical eyes more then with enjoyment. To
me, the only true moment that I felt any 'fear' was at the end when Gage
comes back. But perhaps it is a scarey movie. Of course, the highlight of it
all was the 30 seconds King himself appeared on the screen and I got a
glimpse of my Idol!
My final comclusions: I think the reason that King movies are usually flops
is not so much that they don't stick to the story line - but the horror, the
true horror through out all of his books cannot be transfered to the screen.
In the books, what the individuals in the stories feel and think play a
gigantic part in true horror of which King is King! I still recommend this
movie as entertainment, but not of the first caliber. Anyone else see this
movie and want to comment? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58290
Author: Greg Chambers
Category: Question?
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 16:38:04
So if it doesnt suprise you ...why do you seem so angry with the
governments?
As far as I can see, I'll always expect the politcs I've seen to
happen in the future. Convenient lies tailored to suit someone's need
or wants. People will not change in this respect.
SOmeone always comes along with "I've got a better way" and end up
doing much the same stuff if they get off the ground with support.
Only they see their way as infallable or "better" and "I wont do what
so-n-so does" when you elect me.
They may not do what "so-n-so" did, but they do lie and will cheat
and steal ...wether its time, money or materials.
So my question I guess is why even get mad? Throw them out and you'll
get some other clown.
With instincts like we people have, it is impossible to have somone
in such a seat of power that will do things strictly for others
and not for themselves. Its never happened and never will.
I dont expect perfection..so why should you?
Greg.
Message: 58291
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 17:30:13
Re: "There are much better books in print that are easier to
read, more to the point, and can teach one good moral values."
What book are you thinking of that can teach good moral values? I would not
dispute that such books exist, but the standard on which they are based are
probably the standard laid down by the Bible thousands of years ago.
Re: "So, are you an agnostic"
As I understand the meaning of the word, no. I believe God exists exactly
as stated in scripture. (Was that a trick question?)
Message: 58292
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Greg
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 17:34:43
Re: "So my question I guess is why even get mad? Throw them out and you'll
get some other clown.
With instincts like we people have, it is impossible to have somone
in such a seat of power that will do things strictly for others
and not for themselves."
Like the old saying goes, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts
absolutely."
Message: 58293
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/truth
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 18:22:36
Sorry, Bob. Whether one is a Mormon, a Jew, a Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, or
Muslim, truth is still a matter of perspective.
Message: 58294
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: hey
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 18:26:59
Did anybody look at the user log today? Apollo sat vacant and alone for
about four hours today.
Message: 58295
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reese/58293
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 18:44:42
Someone must teach you the difference between profundity and
platitudinousness.
Message: 58296
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Thornburg/58291
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 01:35:01
I can think of many books off-hand that teach good moral values. It
isn't hard to find good philosophical books that are more to the point than
the Bible. Moral theories abound in books by Rousseau, Hobbes, Jeremy
Bentham, David Hume, John Stuart Mill, Immanuel Kant, Ayn Rand, Jim Rachels,
and John Locke. If you want a more religious angle try some books
on confucianism, taoism, or zen buddhism (I know, I should be capitalizing).
Or, for a non-eastern view of humanity, read Paul Kurtz.
None of the above mentioned works are based on the Bible, as you state.
The statement that most or all moral theories are based on the Bible is just
plain false. Morality is an idea that can exist independently of religion
and that is probably better off that way. There is no room for dogmatism in
ethics (well, perhaps in Immanuel Kant's case). Make that *blind*
dogmatism. The Bible itself is not the earliest written work with a moral
message. The ten commandments are indirectly based on the Code of
Hammurabi, which is Sumerian and predates it by thousands of years.
Furthermore, the Bible has the disadvantage that its moral laws are not
based on reason, but on the infallibility of God. "It's true because God
wills it, God wills it because it's true..." Not all of the moral messages
in the Bible are good, look at the OT. Deuteronomy 16:7-13 (I think) tells
the reader to kill anyone who tries to promote a god other than Jehovah.
Isn't that nice?
So don't give us this "Bible-as-the-source-of-morality" crap.
Message: 58297
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Tucson BBS Scene
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 01:49:05
The Tucson BBS scene is nowhere as big as it is here, and there aren't
any boards as good (softwarewise and conversationwise) as Apollo, but there
are some interesting things going on.
For example, Sean Dippold, the sysop of Windy City, killed himself last
week. He was a very uptight persona on the BBS, and we aregued quite a bit.
His big kick was arguing that "Fascism requires capitalism - by definition."
When asked what he based his definition on, he'd respond that "I do not need
to give a reference for something that is true by definition. By
definition, something that is a definition is true by definition." Yes, we
argued quite vehemently. And now he's gone. *sniff*
Another interesting (but alive) BBS persona in Tucson is that crazy
girl, Laura Lansberry. Surely you all remember Laura. She used to be on
Apollo. She's a transexual lesbian, an avid [knee-jerk?] atheist, and
[pseudo-?] intellectual, all rolled in to one, big, barrel of fun-n-laughs.
Her autobiography is available for reading on Smorgasboard (293-8555), and
what a read it is. It documents her intellectual and sexual growth
from the earliest days of childhood to the present, including some wacky
stories about games (s)he used to play in the woods with the other boys, and
those rough-n-tumble days she spent participating in the world's oldest
profession (and I'm not talking about farming!)
That is not to knock Laura completely. She's a good person and all. I
just find her unusual in her often-egocentric, explorative view of humanity.
Other than that, the Tucson BBS scene is pretty dull. Smorgasboard has
4 lines, so there are some interesting chats and such. And, if the
multi-user chats get dull, there are always ways to impersonate other users.
Just like on Apollo. Ha ha ha.
Oh, by the way, Jim Lippard was in a terrible skiing accident. He was
impaled on someone else's ski pole. He isn't as prolific as he used to be,
and I think now he's starting to consider seeking a religion of some sort.
Perhaps Mormonism.
That wacky Tucson scene. Bye all.
Message: 58299
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: BY THE WAY
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 01:57:00
Anyone want to buy Zak's password? $10, or best offer.
Message: 58300
Author: Wrod Williams
Category: In search of
Subject: an easy high
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 02:33:17
I've got some wonderfully wicked weed, you wascal wabbit. Doobies,
doobies, anyone? $10 or best offer.
Wrod
Message: 58301
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Greg/Bob
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 06:03:32
Gee, with all this talk about electing clowns, maybe I ought to run for
some office. After all, I've even got the makeup and the costume! Even got a
few tricks "up my sleeve"!
Message: 58302
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd/truth
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 06:08:50
I have to agree that truth, from man's position, is a matter of
perspective. God's truth, however, is absolute, and is found only in His
Word, the Bible. Any written or spoken word that claims to be or even
contain truth that deviates from that Word is lies, or at best, mere opinion
and subject to debate and debunking. These include, but are not limited to,
the teachings of Buddha, Allah, the pope, L. Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith.
And oh yes, Charles Taze Russell too.
Message: 58303
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J.T./ verbosity
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 06:10:29
Platiwhatdidyousay?
Did you just coin a new word there?
Congrats Mr. Webster!
Message: 58304
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim Lippard
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 06:16:48
If Zak's report of Jim's accident is true, I am very sorry to hear of it. I
do not agree with a word of what Lippard has said concerning many things,
but he is still a child of GOd, whether he accepts that fact or not, and I
wish him a complete recovery.
If this accident has in any way caused him to rethink his position
concerning God and his relationship with his creator, perhaps some good can
come out of it.
Praying for you Jim.
Message: 58305
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/truth
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 13:52:01
Your message is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. From your
perspective, the Bible has a monopoly on truth. Whether or not you firmly
believe this from the very depths of your soul, it is still merely your
perspective.
Message: 58306
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/truth
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 13:54:27
I am neither being trite nor profound; I merely offer my perspective that
truth is a matter of perspective.
Someone needs to teach you to read the categories of messages. In this
case, the category is "Chit Chat."
Message: 58307
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 14:11:55
Morality cannot be derived purely from reason without dogma.
Message: 58308
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 19:07:29
That's just your opinion.
Message: 58309
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reese/58306
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 19:07:57
That depends on your point of view.
Message: 58310
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Woodruff
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 19:08:39
Locke was a Christian.
Message: 58311
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sean Dippold
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 19:09:22
How did he kill himself?
Message: 58312
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Savage
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 19:10:18
If God exists, why does He allow innocent people to be impaled on ski poles?
Message: 58313
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Apollo
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 20:13:12
Today I put a newer hard drive on Apollo, so that is why it was
unavailable for a bit. Sorry if you were trying to log in.
Cliff W.
Message: 58314
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 21:08:38
Re: "Whether one is a Mormon, a Jew, a Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, or
Muslim, truth is still a matter of perspective."
It could be that I don't understand what you are saying, but truth is truth
no matter who or what you are. Truth is truth and false is false and never
the twain shall meet.
Message: 58315
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 21:11:36
Re: "So don't give us this "Bible-as-the-source-of-morality" crap."
I take it you are a nonbeliever. What else can I say?
Message: 58316
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 21:21:51
Re: "That's just your opinion."
One could say that everything posted on this BBS is just an opinion. But,
it is my opinion that some opinions are right and some opinions are wrong.
Now, go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong.
Message: 58317
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 21:23:52
Re: "Jim Lippard was in a terrible skiing accident. He was
impaled on someone else's ski pole."
Re: "If God exists, why does He allow innocent people to be impaled on ski
poles?"
Hmmmmmmmmm. Are you suggesting that Jim L. is "innocent"?
Message: 58318
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Hard/Software
Subject: Modem/Printer
Date: 04/25/89 Time: 22:20:54
I need some help from you expert computer types. I need to hook up an auto
answer modem straight to a printer, so that when the line rings the modem
will answer the phone, print out whatever is sent down the line, and then
hang up when the line is dropped. ok Can anyone help me?
Sorry about the garbage. it must be a noisy line.
Message: 58319
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/58314
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 00:45:36
I like your way of answering messages. I think I'll do the same:
Re: "...truth is truth no matter who or what you are. Truth is truth and
false is false and never the twain shall meet."
I agree. Certainly there is absolute truth. There is also what you believe
is true, there is what I think is true, what Paul Savage thinks is true,
what Buddhist Bill thinks is true, and what every other person in the world
thinks is true. The point is that each one of these people have a different
perspective on what truth really is. You and Paul Savage both claim the
Bible as a vehicle to truth, BUT you still both have different viewpoints as
to what truth is. Unless you and Paul Savage are exact clones of each other
(and I'll hazard a guess to say you aren't), you have different perspectives
on truth. This is not to say that you and Paul Savage don't share some
similar viewpoints. Obviously, you do. However, any place where you and
Paul differ shows that you both have different perspectives on "truth."
Message: 58320
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd/perspective
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 06:06:43
Wrong again Todd. Perspective is really an opinion, formed by education,
environment and other influences. Truth is proven fact, supported by
evidence, either historical, experiential or otherwise. By all tests, and by
historical and experiential evidence, the Bible is truth. It's statements
can be proven archeologically, historically and by othe means. The
principles it sets forth are absolute, and will function dependably every
time they are properly applied to a given situation. THese are not
opinions. These are facts. Because these are facts, the Bible is then truth
in it's purest form, since it requires no man's opinion, nor does it depend
on man's concepts or interpretations.
Take the best example I can think of at the moment as a Bible principle,
that of sowing and reaping. The Bible states, without equivocation, that
whatsoever you sow, that shall you also reap. This is an absolute, and,
whether you choose to believe it or not, it works every time it is applied,
consciously or uncconsciously. If you sow apple seeds, you will never get
oranges. If you sow hate and discontent, you will be repaid in kind. The
same with love. Whatever you put out, you will eventually get back. As the
world would say, whatever goes around, comes around. Same principle. WOrks
every time. God thought of it first, since He is the one who set it in
motion. Ergo, the Bible is truth. Pure truth. Unadulterated, and
unadulterable truth.
Message: 58321
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Innocence
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 06:10:38
THe category should be question, not answer. The point is, who said
Lippard was innocent? He has spent a good part of his life ridiculing God
and the things of God. Just maybe the impaling was the only way that God
could force him to lay there and listen for long enough to comprehend His
(God's) love. Maybe?
Message: 58322
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/#58314
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 06:48:15
Lets put the definition of truth another way ---- John Doe is a Christian
and believes the Bible is the truth! -- Abduhla Saheeb is a Muslim and
believes the Koran is the truth! Questions: --
(1) Is John right and Abduhla wrong?
(2) Is Abduhla right and John wrong?
(3) Are they both wrong?
(4) Are they both right?
I think the truth is --- they are both right! Truth, not beauty is in the
eye of the beholder! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58323
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul on Jim L.
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 06:54:40
I can't believe that a grown man such as yourself would even imply that God
may have had a hand in Jim's accident! 'GOD'S LOVE'????? That's love? That's
sick!!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58324
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob/#58316
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 06:56:11
You are not wrong. That is what YOU think is 'truth'! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58325
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: News Today
Subject: Repulsive article
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 07:05:05
There was an 'opinion article' in the paper today re: gun control. Here is
some of it and I think he stated it well. The reporter is Walter Williams.
(Not related to Rod - he's black!) ------
"The propaganda employed by the gun-control lobby is slick. It calls for
responsible things like longer waiting periods for background checks and for
the outlawing of automatic weapons. They didn't publically demand arms
confiscations; they know they'd encounter too much resistance. Their agenda
calls for disarming us a little bit at a time. This, you'll recall, is how
many of our freedoms have been taken. Our job is not to let the camel get
even his nose in the tent! My attitude about gun laws is the following: I
will feel better explaining to a judge why I have an illegal weapon than I'd
feel in a casket!"
I think this was very well put! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 58326
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: S.747
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 14:26:34
I called Dennis DeConcini's office and told them that I thought his new
gun control bill was a terrible idea. I asked them if they were getting much
response on it and they said "nothing unusual." If Arizonans sit by and
expect someone else to fight this thing it will pass and then there will be
a law hanging over our heads which could send practically anyone who owns a
semi-automatic firearm to jail. The forms that this law requires have not
been in use for anything but dealer transactions for the last twenty years.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 58327
Author: $ Clint Phillips
Category: News Today
Subject: FIRE ARMS
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 15:39:14
WELL SAID ANN,I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!!!!!!!
Message: 58328
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Savage
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 16:20:10
Well, I'd rather spend eternity in the Lake of Fire than be impaled on a ski
pole.
Message: 58329
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Walter Williams
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 16:20:29
His column is distributed by Heritage Features Syndicate.
Message: 58330
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Thornburg/58316
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 16:21:16
Well, that all depends.
Message: 58331
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reese/58319
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 16:21:39
I disagree.
Message: 58332
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Most important thing
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 16:22:07
Knowing world is flat most important thing on earth.
Message: 58333
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sowing and Reaping
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 17:45:51
Hey man, like the Hippies, they just loved and loved. What they got back was
HATRED from the Christians in this nation. Don't give me this crap about
Absolute Truth, man.
Message: 58334
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann/Walter Williams
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 18:04:26
How do you know he isn't related to Rod? I would bet that he IS related to
Rod. Rod has children spread over the 50 states.
Message: 58335
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: News Today
Subject: 1911-1989
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 18:15:23
I assume you all have heard that Lucy has died. An all time great
lady for sure.
Sniff (tm) Cliff
Message: 58336
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hawley
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 19:34:53
Hey man, we're all related.
Message: 58337
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 19:35:27
Lucy didn't die, she merely shed her gross flesh, but the atoms still exist,
they're just changing, that's all. Nothing ever dies.
Message: 58338
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hawley/WalterW.
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 20:26:36
If you had ever read anything he had written you would know that he isn't
related to Rod.
See You Later
Dean H.
Message: 58339
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Greg
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:30:04
There is far too much governing in government. You made a good
point when you said that people who run on the honesty ticket usually end up
falling into the same trap as the one they replaced. Oh well. Sorry if you
read anger into my message. It's not as bad as all that. We are just
evolving up the ladder. It may all work out someday. -Rod
Message: 58340
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/Agnostic
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:33:41
No, I didn't give you a trick question. You say that you believe
God exists exactly as stated in scripture. Well that's fine, Bob, but if
you have no solid proof then I'm afraid that in reality you are agnostic.
Look it up in the dictionary. You most probably have faith that what you
believe is real but that doesn't cut it. Proof is necessary for one to be
what they say, without proof you really do not know.
Does God or Jesus talk to you?
Rod
Message: 58341
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bob/morals
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:35:46
As far as other books that are more coherent that teach morals
without the prejudice and bigotry that religionists fall into goes, check
out HULK Comics. Rod
Message: 58342
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd/Paul
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:37:37
Paul is an agnostic. Fact is, so are you, Todd.
Message: 58343
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd/58319
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:42:53
Darn good message. Now that was the truth and well spoken at that. Either
Paul or Bob does not have the truth. Since they disagree on certain bibical
issues (as well as James, the Christian, White) then one or even both of them
do not have the truth.
Will the real agnostic please stand up. All others sit down. -Rod
Message: 58344
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Walter Williams
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:45:19
Ann, just because someone is black does not mean that they are not
related to me. I am related to every atom in the entire universe. I am
related to all future atoms that will be born into existence. I am even
related to Paul Savage.
Message: 58345
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beauregard Arf! Arf!
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:48:39
I loved your message, #58333 (by the way 333 is the number of the
anti-Bob that is predicted in The Book of Bob). Now that is TRUTH. Well
spoken. -Rod
Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C
Message: 294
Author: $ Bob Dobbs
Category: Rod's thoughts
Subject: deity
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 17:33:44
Dear Rod;
I am not a deity, and God is far more powerful than I. I would like
to be flying around the cosmos as you put it, but God told me I have to do
this 'EARTH' trip over again till I get it right. It is his way of telling
me that EARTH is the HELL we all fear.
I am going to lead a straight life from now on, so after my next
earthly death, I will go on to better places.
I thought I would stop by and warn you of the dangerous path you
are taking. Tell me Rod, do you wish to do this earthly trip again? If
not, seek the way of the Lord, as he speaks the gospel.
Bob Dobbs
Message: 295
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: "Bob" Dobb$
Date: 04/23/89 Time: 19:16:49
... sounds like an imposter to me. Everybody knows that "Bob" is hiding out
in an old factory which he broke into with stolen locksmithing equipment.
Message: 296
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/Bob Dobbs
Date: 04/24/89 Time: 08:54:07
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Love it! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 297
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dobbs
Date: 04/26/89 Time: 22:53:35
Earth is only hell because of prejudiced people.