Apollo BBS Archive - April 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - April 30, 1988


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Message: 51975
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: LAST COUPLE
Date: 04/29/88  Time: 22:17:50

I don't see how that can be legal.

Message: 51976
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: KFYI
Date: 04/29/88  Time: 23:36:33

What exactly are the details of this?

Message: 51977
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: For sale
Subject: Old computers
Date: 04/29/88  Time: 23:37:40

TRS-80 Model 4, 128K, 2 disk drives, Hayes Smartmodem 300, printer cable,
and lots of software.  $500 or best offer.

Apple ][, 48K, Applesoft card, disk controller, non-functional disk drive. 
$250 or best offer.

Message: 51978
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Details/KFYI
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:54:17

Details are a bit hard to come by. Only a temporary restraining order was
issued.  Arguments to make it permanent are yet to be held.  There will be
an extreme miscarriage if it is made permanent.  I can hardly see why the
judge agreed to issue a temporary order.  I'm sorry, it would appear that
I've left my copy of today's paper at work.
 
Rev. Beau
(or is that Yesterday's Paper?)

Message: 51979
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 01:41:07

In response to our earlier 'exchange':

Although I may be a very positive person, I can hardly overlook the misery
and suffering abounding around the world.  I believe that we can agree on
this point.

Where we will find our greatest differences is in the means to bring that
suffering to an end.  I would tend to take the 'hands-off', laisse-fair
approach, allowing some of the misery to 'naturally' work itself out of this
world, through societal forces, WITHOUT undue government influence.

As I understand it, you see the government as both an evil (it is by its
very definition, a necessary evil [as relates to the U.S. government]), as
well as a force that could 'fix' these hardships.

This is obviously where we differ (if I have understood you correctly, so
far).

The government's (undue) influence has a tendency to worsen many problems,
rather than solve them permanently.  Governments tend to be slightly out of
touch with the actual needs, and by their nature tend to devote a lot of
resources toward satisfying special interests (pork-barreling).  This is
bad.  Government, as I see it, should confine its role to only doing those
things, and providing those services, that individuals themselves cannot....

Message: 51980
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ...continued...
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 01:45:40

These items include the national defense, a judicial (sp?) system, and law
enforcement.  Just about everything else can be better provided by an openly
competitive market society (playing by generally fair rules, enforced by the
above named systems).

That's it.  

Although the above could be considered 'twaddle', and even though I have
drifted from my original intent (NOTE:  <-- pun), I hope I have made myself
clear.

Oh well...
 
 
Michael Kielsky

Message: 51981
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: JT
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 03:52:48

I'll give you $10 for all the hardware you mentioned.

Message: 51982
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: JT
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 08:28:41

I'll give you $11 for all the hardware you mentioned.

Message: 51983
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 09:31:49

Give me $50 and I'll take all of the hardware you mentioned.
 
Rev. Beau

Message: 51984
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hawley/Oudin/Dog
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 11:21:23

Shut up, you wise-asses.

Message: 51985
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Kielsky
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 11:21:36

The correct spelling is "laissez faire."

Message: 51986
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reality Club
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 13:25:37

  We are fond of labeling recent, large, adaptive, expanding
populations of mammals as "evolutionarily advanced."  We 
tend to think of rapid change and aggressive patterns of
reproduction, recent evolutionary appearance and large size
as advancement.  Yet we could claim, even by these same
criteria, that machines are even more evolutionarily 
advanced than the large mammals.  They change form at a far
more rapid rate than any animals: witness the automobile, 
the telephone, the photocopier, and the personal computer.
Machines, as a group, are able to survive more extreme
environments than are people and other mammals.  Mammals, 
for example, unless they have evolved for millions of years 
in watery environments, cannot survive under water without
submarines.  Submarines, on the other hand, manage very well
beneath the sea, managed by remote control machines at the
surface.  Machines have penetrated space and remained there
far longer than people have.  The two Viking Landers, 
launched in 1975 and now stripped of their autopoiesis, 
still decorate the stark surface of Mars.  In many 
localities the rate of machine growth, taken together, far
exceeds the rate of human growth.  In general, generation
time for machines is far shorter than that for people.
Machines outperform people in information functions such as
arithmetic and printing.  Machines have a greater range of

Message: 51987
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reality Club
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 13:31:02

mechanical energy at their disposal, such as nuclear fusion,
combustion, and photovoltaic power.
  That machines apparently depend on us for their 
construction and maintenance does not seem to be a serious
argument against their capacity to evolve.  In the future we
may program machines to program and reproduce themselves 
even more independently from us - at present machines
evolve - using autopoietic us as an integral part of their
evolutionary mechanism.

Message: 51988
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Laissez Faire
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 15:28:55

Thanks.  I was just too tired (lazy) to go look it up, or to try to figure
out the spelling, otherwise.

Oh well.

Message: 51989
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Hard/Software
Subject: Falcon problems
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 15:47:12

In regards to my last message about the F-16 simulator package by
Spectrum Holobyte:
 
Anyone using the ATI Graphics Solution card and who has a copy of any
software that performs a cold boot seemingly at random parts without
any reason or direction from user input should be aware that the
ATI card has numerous differences in direct (non-msdos calls) for
video screen graphics. The new version of FALCON apparently takes this
into consideration and relieves the problem.

Message: 51990
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Taranto
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 16:53:09

Shut up you pimple faced, textbook punk.

Message: 51991
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/hardware
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 17:21:49

I'll give you $20 for all the hardware, and to sweeten the deal I'll give
you the $5 you say I owe you because I allegedly told you I'd pay for a
movie if you didn't enjoy it.

Message: 51992
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 19:41:46

Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten all about that $5.  Pay up.  What movie was it,
anyway?

Message: 51993
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/Spelling
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 21:19:14

One usually sees it as "laissez-faire" with the hyphen...
 
(If you advertise toy computers here, you should know what to expect)

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 1:        Donate the stuff to a museum (or a school).
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 1:        Believe it or not, I agree with you.  Government is necessary for 
 2:lines of supply, communication and defense.
 3:        In any large group there is a need for some of the people to 
 4:organize these things however the government we now have is way out of line.
 5:        To be a basically good citizen and be afraid of your own government 
 6:means it is time to speak out.
 7:        Yes, evolution will eventually change civilization around because we
 8:learn from our mistakes but an individual who writes a story, composes a 
 9:song or a poem, paints a picture, directs a movie has an excellent chance to
10:make this world evolve that much faster.  
11:        Whatever rate we evolve is normal but where would we now be if Mark 
12:Twain or the Beatles had never stepped forward, if they had decided not to 
13:go public?  There are many people who fit this bill and by keeping quiet, 
14:yes the world will still continue changing but perhaps jsut not as fast.
15:        I guess you could say I was in a hurry to have a good time.  Why 
16:settle for an bleak existance when it is possible to have a grand one?  
17:        If my body was taken from this world right this instant, I couldn't 
18:miss it.  It would be like me missing a dull toothache.  However, I have a 
19:total of nine children in this world, not to mention that everyone is in 
20:fact, related to each other, so whatever I can do to spped things up, I will
21:and after that my flesh can go to the worms for food.
22:                                Rod
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 1:        It seems that the people who are opposing Tom Leykis' being taken 
 2:off the air are being served with 'cease and desist orders.  If you want to 
 3:find out more, get on Tom Leykis' BBS, 602-944-6397, it is ALL there.  You 
 4:do have to wait a day for validation.
 5:        Tom, as you may know, is an outspoken person of the atheist 
 6:persuasion.  Since his forced retirement (with pay) form KFYI, a group was 
 7:started by several people, calling themselves Friends Of Tom Leykis.  This 
 8:group posted on Tom's BBS, for all to see, names, addresses and phone 
 9:numbers of every sponsor of KFYI plus the names of the owners and 
10:management, calling for a boycott and letter writing and phone calls and 
11:then set up a picket that would have taken place 5/4/88 at 12 noon.  
12:        After being 'served' the group tried to get in touch with Louis 
13:Rhodes, ACLU and he was out, they then tried to get in touch with the main 
14:director with no success (this was two days ago).  I was told by the local 
15:chapter of the American Atheists they are now planning a picket in several 
16:weeks.
17:                                        Rod
18:P.S.  First Amendment City, eh?
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Message: 1313
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ann/wild man
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:16:21

Your description of Rod was perfect!
 
He's gotta quit eating that stuff.
 
Carol->

Message: 1314
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: David Burkhart
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:17:55

 
You just burst another bubble!  If he didn't do the programming and was
lousy at it, then that leaves nothing about him to be admired.
 
   Gads!   I am free at last!!!!!
 

carol->

Message: 1315
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dinner/Rod
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:56:37

If I come, do  I have to work for my meal?  I'm not very entertaining.

Message: 1316
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 03:54:26

Just wear your CIA shirt.

Message: 1317
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol
Date: 04/30/88  Time: 08:35:34

No, NO - not Rod! Ed Sharpe! That's spelled S.H.A.R.P.E. =*--ANN--*=

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 1:        That's simple, just bring some oranges or bowling pins or fire 
 2:torches or watermellons or three chainsaws.  You have to figure out what to 
 3:do with them.
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