Apollo BBS Archive - April 27, 1988



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Message: 3422
Author: $ Jack Flash
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Equal Access
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 20:25:14

`Equal access' is not something that is provided by any of the various
long distance companies.  Access to the LD carrier of the customer's
choice is provided by the local phone companies -- but only in areas
where the Central Office switching equipment can be programmed to do
so.  There are still many areas -- and some not just rural -- where
switching is done mechanically.  It may be many years (or never) before
equal access (dial-1 access) is available in these areas.

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Message: 624
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Nope!
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 07:37:34

    James and Rod have seen my hat, but many other people haven't.  Should I
wear it to the next NWPAC meeting?  Maybe I could get Lloyd to put up a vote
on it on ST-Base Express.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 625
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:02:59

Your messages are very good, Alan, but each time I start to be impressed
with the message content, I see you in your elf hat.  Personally, I have
nothing against elfs, but ...

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Message: 1274
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question ?
Subject: Sandy/points
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:16:12

Huh?

Message: 1275
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod/points
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:17:02

Arnie has a reather nice point too! 

Message: 1276
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Jams
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:18:46

Yeah - I forgot that Sandy Sysop has the power to edit. You can just bet
she'll come out with great points! Not true to life however. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 1277
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 14:09:16

        Come on, Ann!
        You mean after all that time and trouble that went into my post, you
did not get the point(s)?

Message: 1278
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last two
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:03:28

Ann is pointless.

Message: 1279
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Points...
Date: 04/28/88  Time: 00:06:15

        Sandy has points!  I know.....

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Message: 1437
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Hah!
Date: 04/24/88  Time: 23:00:14

First message of the evening!

Message: 1438
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: PS:
Date: 04/24/88  Time: 23:02:18

NOT!

Message: 1439
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/24/88  Time: 23:13:30

Wonderful!

Message: 1440
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Drivel
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:11:23

Just what is going on here?

I'm here in a daze. I should be in bed asleep.
 
Rev. Beau

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Message: 352
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 03:24:50

We could use some payload ballast...

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Message: 51947
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lawrence
Date: 04/26/88  Time: 22:43:54

I saw some babble on another BBS about some scheme to make a lot of money
selling books about this Technoid thing (or whatever term was used back
there).
 
Caveat emptor!
 
Rev. Beau
(I wish I'd thought up the scheme...)

Message: 51948
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beay/movie
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:11:40

I swore you recommended it. What did you say about it? Ha, =*--ANN--*=

Message: 51949
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michael/consciousnes
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:12:27

Funny! --- probably true too. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 51950
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/movie
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 12:43:41

I said it was about 110 minutes

Message: 51951
Author: Bob Jacobs
Category: Question?
Subject: QuestNet/1 BBS
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 17:02:19

To SysOp: Would you please add the phone number of the QuestNet/1 BBS to
your list? The number is: 984-4049; 8,N,1; 3/12/24; 7pm-6am daily.
Thanks...QuestNet/1 SysOp

Message: 51952
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reality Club
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 17:26:31

  Unfortunately, for those who believe humanity is the
apotheosis of life on Earth, the idea of reproducing von
Neumann machines is not a matter of scientific fantasy bu a
matter of fact in the present organization of the biosphere.
If we consider Gaia or the biosphere as life's most 
fundamental unit, then even the Earth cannot be considered 
alive since it has not yet reproduced.  Indeed, only the
organic macromolecules DNA and RNA are capable of 
reproduction in the replicative sense: in one act of 
synthesis, they make complementary copies of themselves.
All else - cells, boys, elephants, trees, McDonald's, and
branches of the Chase Manhattan Bank - do not directly
reproduce.  Much molecular reproduction, cell growth,
development and construction is involved before two cells,
two boys, two elephants, two trees, two McDonald's and two
bank branches appear in the biosphere where a single one was
before.
  Unfortunately, nature is not dichotomous in a way that
matches our verbalizations.  Nature does not conform to our
definitions.  Although there is an ineffable continuum
between the living and the nonliving, we are beginning to 
understand the functions and organizations that are common 
to living entities.  Living systems, from their smallest
limits as bacterial cells to their largest extent as Gaia,

Message: 51953
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Reality Club
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 17:32:06

are *autopoietic*: they self-maintain.  As autopoietic 
systems they are bounded - they retain their recognizable
features even while undergoing a dynamic interchange of 
parts.  The *only autopoietic* systems we know of on Earth 
are composed of carbon, nitrogen, and hydrogen compounds in
water and are bounded by lipid membrane.  But organization
and function - not composition - distinguish autopoiesis.  A
recent corpse and a man have nearly identical composition 
but they differ profoundly in organization and function.  
The self-assembly, self-maintaining autopoietic system
distinguishes the living man.

Message: 51954
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Question?
Subject: Did you Dukakis?
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 18:30:54

... heard on KFYI a minute ago.
 
Rev. Beau

Message: 51955
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: News Today
Subject: Awana Grand Prix WIN
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 21:33:49

        My boy just won the AWANA Grand Prix fist place in speed.
We would have also won 'Design', but when we won the Speed, they crossed us
off the 1st place Design (one tropy per person/car)....
        
        I`m so damn PROUD of Tyler.....

                Watch out world, here comes the Champ... TYLER!!!

Cliff

Message: 51956
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Question?
Subject: Last?
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:05:51

Exactly what kind of car are you talking about?  A slot car, or what?

Message: 51957
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff!
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:59:06

Way to go Tyler and tippacanoe, two!
 
Hope he'll always make you proud of him.
 
Carol->
         

Message: 51958
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Robert Daley
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:01:46

Wow!  what a writer...I have just found him.
 
Just finished 'Man with a Gun.'   Robert Redford is going to be the
protaganist in the movie version (after the writer's strike is over).
 
If you haven't read his books, go for them!   Year of the Dragon is my
favorite    But if you like crime, police, corruption, sex, violence!  They're all
there.
 
Carol->

Message: 51959
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Writer's strike
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:10:13

I thought it only affected tv?  See how much I care?
 
Rev. Beau

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Message: 1301
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: system X
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:56:48

Actually it was a terrific system....though I never could figure it out.
Even to the signing in. I had some stupid terminal program at the time and
could hardly ever throw the correct control to get on...the tree thing...I
kept falling down off the branches. But he was a brilliant person and it
really was a great deal. Boy, did I get scared on the deal where all of us
were chatting Conference with each other.
 
But tell me - does anyone know what went on in those hours when the board
was closed to everyone but HER???
 
And, oh yes, I remember being told that to fully access the system, it was
going to cost a fortune. So there was a lot more to it than the part I was
able to access!   So, he had to be a real brain!
 
Steve, he is gone, REAL GONE!   Gads, I hope he doesn't have $tatus to this
board...I feel stupid talking about him like this. Eddie, if you're here,
 I am only kidding!!!
 
Off into the cold, blue night!               Poofer

Message: 1302
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Carol/Eddie
Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:45:00

Ed Sharpe's $tatus expired over a year ago.

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 1:        You think you had a stupid terminal program.  WHen I first got on 
 2:the boards, Blax, Apollo, etc., I had NO buffer, NO printing abilities, 300 
 3:BAUD, manual dial, non-uploading software.
 4:        I really wish I could have captured those first messages of mine and
 5:the reaction to them.  
 6:        I remember when I got new software and I tried to upload some 
 7:messages, every other line was sent out and I was so happy that I finally 
 8:got something to 'stick', I left the message.  Paul said that it made as 
 9:much sense as all my other messages.
10:        Remember Edward DeGraaf, Bob Jiles, Alan Greenburg, Rae Ackerman, 
11:Craig White, of course and Frank LoPinto?
12:        When I first started getting on, I thought to myself, Hmmmm, the 
13:people who use computers must be in the upper intelgencia of this nation, 
14:surely they are mostly atheist and agnostic so they will understand what I 
15:am trying to say.  Well, after I posted my first message and got back on the
16:next day, I was really, really crushed from the response, I never wanted to 
17:use a MODEM again.  I got on again the day after that, feeling really bad 
18:but there was Craig White defending me and that really saved my butt.  I may
19:never have tried again if it wasn't for Craig.  He told me later in a phone 
20:conversation that since I got on, many more people started logging in to see
21:that debate.  Of course, Frank and JT were pretty liberal towards me and 
22:that helped.  
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23:        Hey, most everyone was afraid to meet me.  Computers have changed 
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24:our lives, to be sure.                          -Rot

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