Apollo BBS Archive - April 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - April 23, 1988


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(Updated 04/22/88) Sent in by David Burkhart/Modified by Politics

Have you changed your mind since the last ote?  If you had to Vote today
from what you know now, Who would you ote for President in 1988?
Pick the best of the choice listed below...  (Getting to the Nitty-Gritty)

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[A] Bush       (R)
[B] Dukakis    (D)
[C] Jackson    (D)
[D] Robertson  (R)
[E] Ron Paul   (L)

How do you vote  or  to abort:$

Poll results to date:
[A] 2    [B] 1    [C] 0    [D] 1
[E] 0

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Message: 3366
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:51:36

Only if you send in at least $10.  Dandruff takes a $30 donation.

Message: 3367
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Hanging Up
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 04:14:00

Ann, if you are like me I don't like having to answer phone in the first
place. 
 
                                     <<< Joe >>>

Message: 3368
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: youse guys(& gal)
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 05:17:51

 You all sound like a bunch of crybabies with nothing to cry about, but
you're just going to do it anyway.
 I have showed you several times how the 3rd class advertising you get is
doing more than it's share in keeping first class rates down, and still you
cry and whine, "I don't care! I just don't want it!"
Thank goodness, you are in the minority! If everybody felt as you do, the
mailers would have figured out long ago that advertising through the mail is
not profitable, since everybody hates junk mail and is throwing it away.
However, even though their rates have risen some 400%, there is more of it
than ever before, so it must be effective. FOr every one of you who trash
the stuff unread, there must be a lot of folks who read it and respond. If
not, you can bet all those for profit businesses would find better ways to
get the word out.
 Now put down your crying towel, get your collective thumb out of your
mouth, and act your age, instead of your I.Q.!

Message: 3369
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Paul/last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 09:07:20

You must be crazier than a pet coon Paul - who likes junk mail except for
wierds like J.T.? NEVER did I hear of one person, that when the subject of
junk mail came up, didn't voice their dissatisfaction with it! I can see a
person now going out eagarly to their mail box - opening it and a look of
rapture comes across their face when they see it crammed full of junk. If
this is reality, then that person must be Peewee Herman or someone like him.
Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3370
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Lloyd/junk
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 09:08:40

That was a good post Lloyd. You said it well. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3371
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Paul again
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 09:13:26

Yeah, your right about our complaining. But we are probably taking our
frustrations out on this subject while the world has gone nuts with
violence, wars, rapes, taxes etc - things we can do nothing about. So here
you are - an easy, tangable target. Just think of it as you doing a good
deed for your Apollo friends! Just be thankful that you havn't worked for
the IRS all these past years! Love and kisses - =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3372
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/cloth
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 09:29:18

Now that isn't junk mail! If I recieved such a thing, I'd be overjoyed. Hey
- with something like that, you COULD stop junk mail. Just pray while
it's covering your head and 'Voila' - no more junk. You could also stop war
and pestulance - famine and taxes! What are you waiting for? Gads, pray man,
pray!!!! Will you share that rag - er, cloth? I want MONEY - fame - Arnie!
Send it to me quick. Your friend =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3373
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Junk Mail...
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 10:39:37

        Here you are guys an gals...  Junk Mail from Gemini Computer Inc.
        
        Yes, we want you to RUSH right down and spend all your hard earned
cash on computer supplies!
        You may be a winner... Yes!!!  take a look at your caller number and
if you match the this MAGIC number ---> 123 , you may be a winner of
either a Sanyo AT loaded with Hard drive, A to D Houston Plotter and Kurta
digitizer or you may win a "write protect tab"...  (up to the discression of
the store owner)
        (Small print)--> Must buy optional service contract for only
$10,944.95 to Win)

        While you are at this FINE store, shop for all the items you can't
live without... "and that is everything"

        By the way, you have been chosen to recieve this offer exclusivly
and will NOT see it repeated anywhere.  (Non-Transferable)

        Act before April 15th 1988 and you will still have to pay your
taxes, so hurry....
        
        If you choose not to take advantage of this offer, give it to a
friend (ignore the Non-Transferable clause)
        *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo Junk Mail Con-Man *=*

Message: 3374
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Junk
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 18:00:42

  If you complain enough about junk mail the FBI's APOLLO monitor will take
notice of it and start the ball rolling on a new Junk Mail Regulatory Agency
to protect you from it.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 3375
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann/Junk mail
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 19:03:41

Paul is correct.  Your statement that everyone hates junk mail is nonsense.
True, no one may be overjoyed by getting it, but clearly people are making
use of it.  Do you think companies are sending out junk mail just to annoy
you?  Of course not -- they're doing it to increase their sales.  A lot of
people must be ordering from catalogs (DAK pops into mind as one I like
getting), going to the sales they see advertised, subscribing to magazines,
etc.  All of these people are getting benefit from junk mail.
What would you propose as a solution?  Outlawing junk mail?  Aside from the
fact this contradicts your "small government" beliefs, it's unworkable. 
First class rates would go up, as Paul pointed out.  Moreover, what exactly
is junk mail?  My DAK or Sharper Image catalog?  A complementary copy of a
magazine?  A letter informing me of a 75% off sale at Gemini?  A letter
which tells me I may already be a winner?  Even the sweepstakes letters have
some merit: sales of lottery tickets show people enjoy entering such
contests, and they often contain subscription information or catalogs.

Just get in contact with one of the organizations that have been mentioned
that try to get you off mailing lists (mailers really don't want to send to
people who hate junk mail) and then take an extra three minutes to sort
through your mail everyday.
And quit cryin'.

Message: 3376
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: More darn mail!
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 05:40:34

Ann, nobody said you should be rapturous over the stuff you find in your
mailbox. I dislike bills intensely, because they seem to have a direct
effect on my fiscal stability, (or at least my bank balance), but I accept
them as a fact of life, and a necessity.
So is 3rd class business advertising a fact of life, so why continually
complain about it? Look at it as a necessary evil that you have to put up
with in order to keep the mail you really want coming at reasonable rates.
Nobody is forcing you to read it all. I told you how to identify it so you
wouldn't throw any good stuff out thinking it was junk, and besides, who
knows? You may actually see something in some of that stuff that you can
use.
 Cliff, your "letter" was so cute! It showed all the originality of thought
and ingenuity that you are capable of. Thank you so much for stuffing my
"mailbox" with a copy of it! It's such a thrill getting mail addressed just
to me, and didn't even have "or current resident" on it!
Like.....WOW!

Message: 3377
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: David/junk mail
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 08:14:05

You are complicating it! I don't want to outlaw junk mail - I want the
option on whether I want it delivered to my home or not. Simple eh? I should
be able to go to the post office, sign a paper stating I do not want J.M.
delivered to my home and that would be that! If I decided later that I
wanted it back, ditto, the same. The advertizing agencies are acting upon
their rights to send through the mail - I want a right, a simple avenue, to
have it stopped. I don't see where that's 'whinning or crying'. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3378
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Dean
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 08:14:58

What FBI Apollo monitor? Gads! Just when I was feeling safe again too.
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 3379
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Last....
Subject: F.B.I.
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 11:59:59

        Let me state there is no F.B.I. or any other agency that monitors
Apollo as far as I know...  There is no one person that has access to ALL
the SIGs...  No one has ever appoached me for such privlige...

        The DAY the government demands they have SYSOP power to see what
goes on here, is the DAY I will shut this sucker down.... PERIOD!

*=* the "Mighty" Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 3380
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Current Resident
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 12:03:56

        Or user....
        Glad to see you still have a sence of humor Paul....  I sent that
same letter to all my friends in the current discussion on Junk Mail...
Of course, it was all in FUN... (some times we do have fun here I hope)
        
        Keep the Grin....

Cliff

Message: 3381
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Last....
Subject: Junk Mail
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 14:36:59

  Ah, but you missed one thing, Cliff.  For a better response, you have to
make the letters a little more personalized.  Something like:

[tiny print:]  If his caller number matches the one we have drawn,
[1" print:]    ALAN HAMILTON WILL WIN A 386 COMPUTER SYSTEM!
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 3382
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Junk mail
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 14:43:16

  I don't mind it so much if it's for something I'm interested in.  I'm not
real thrilled about those flyers I keep getting from the Older is Better
dateing service, being 23.  On the other hand, I got an offer for a free
sample issue of a new computer magazine that I did respond to.  I may not
subscribe, but then again, I might.
  The typical response to a direct mail campaing is less than 5%, sometimes
less than 1%, so there are obviously a lot of people that aren't interested.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

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Message: 778
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Lloyd
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 09:19:03

No matter you copied. This sig. is for anything artistic no matter who drew
it. And thanks for thinking so highly of my owls. I have posted things by
others very often - not the drawings, but poems and articles etc. On the
Wild Banana BBS someone had drawn a semi truck (remember it?) and I wished I
had saved it to upload here because it was truly a work of art and
imagination. You don't happen to have that do you? That was the best
computer drawing I ever saw. See you =*--ANN--*=

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Message: 605
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: June/July Compute!
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 14:27:44

        Compute!'s Atari ST June/July 1988 issue is in today!

(this has been Junk Mail)

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Message: 1243
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 19:15:58

Marx was misguided.  He felt he'd decoded history, and tried to predict the
future from that.  All his predictions fell apart, and Lenin's patchwork
didn't much help.  His basic ideology is a dangerous one, because it opens
the door from the government to subvert the individual.
 
As for the "..For Beginner's" series, they're ridiculous.  One explains how
Mao was a great guy (can you say "Cultural Revolution bloodbath"), another
tries to point out how Orwell has been misused, and it's really America
which is totalitarian, yet another attacks medicine (spouting a lot of Aster
Scott nonsense), and still another attempts to show how great everything is
in Nicaragua.  They do it with cartoons, apparently trying to appeal to the
least intelligent segment of society.  In doing so, they feel they can be a
little loose with the facts.

Message: 1244
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod's idiocy
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 20:02:50

"...our current form of capitalism is doing us no good."  Perhaps you would
prefer hunting buffalo and gathering roots to eat rather than taking
advantage of technology, produced through the capitalist system which "is
doing us no good," that has produced food in such abundance that the
government buys food to prevent a surplus.  Perhaps you would rather write
on cave walls than use your computer, which was, after all, manufactured by
one of those evil capitalist corporations who are "doing us no good." 
Perhaps you would rather live in a mud hut than a comfortable house built by
"slave labor" to serve a rich landlord.  Maybe you would rather rely on
people's memory to keep track of history and literature than live in this
system which is "doing us no good," in which you can buy any book you please
for a nominal sum and build up your own vast library of information.

"I see the poor, middle class, upper middle class...as slave labor."  This
is ludicrous!  A slave is someone who has no autonomy, who exists to serve
others and cannot make any choices on his own.  A slave's basic needs are
provided for, but he is deprived of all freedom and must serve his owner or
be harshly punished.  Communist countries are slave states, except that the
"owner" is the government.

Message: 1245
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: JT on Rod.
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 08:17:06

Your always missing Rod's points. =*--ANN--*=

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Message: 315
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: GT or Bust!
Subject: last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:12:31

I wasn't suggesting the weekend before the 15th. Let's do it in June. I'll
bring lots of ice for all of you wimps with heat stroke.

Message: 316
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: GT or Bust!
Subject: last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:16:59

Well, let's see... Mike is going on vacation after the 3rd of June, and
Peter isn't coming back until the 27th of May. I'm not available the 29th of
May, and James says that June is too hot. Anyone else care to narrow our
choices down a bit.

Message: 317
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:54:23

We could hold a simulataneous launch with the Space Shuttle.

Someone is NOT going to be at the launch.  Let's leave it as it is.
May 15.

Message: 318
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 03:27:25

What's wrong with the 28th?

Message: 319
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Answer!
Subject: GT date
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 11:25:01

Any weekend (except this coming Sunday) is fine with me as long as I know
about it long enough in advance to schedule things around it.  If something
unreschedulable comes up, I won't wimp and snivel about not being able to
make it.

Message: 320
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
Subject: Last couple
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 20:33:09

Is the 28th a Saturday?  Some people have to work on Saturdays.  We should
make up a MAD vote, with two or three dates, and then vote.  Is this
satisfactory?

Message: 321
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 01:26:32

Yes, that's satisfactory. Give Cervelli access to this SIG so he can log in
vote.

Message: 322
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 02:40:41

Ok.  Validate Cervelli, Cliff.

Thank you for your support.

Message: 323
Author: $ Michael James
Category: GT or Bust!
Subject: last
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 10:52:11

Just as long as he doesn't start shooting at people again.

Message: 324
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: GT or Bust!
Subject: Okay...
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 12:08:02

        I work Saturdays...so I will not be able to make it... but that is
the way it goes sometimes...
        I will add Peter Cervelli after this post...  

Cliff

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Message: 51838
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: War/gooks|last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:57:00

Wrong war, Rod.  We want to kill Arabs.  Just don't touch the oil wells.

Message: 51839
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Mailing List
Date: 04/21/88  

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Message: 51837
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: War
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 01:46:20

        Sure was strange this evening....while I was scanning the cable
television channels, I counted five (5) major war movies.  Hmmm, perhaps the
government is getting our kids in the mood.  
        Do any 18-21 year olds want to fight some gooks this year.  You can
have your own M-16 and real hand grenades.  I'm too busy, I'd rather have
some kid die for me to protect me against those Commies.

Message: 51838
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: War/gooks|last
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:57:00

Wrong war, Rod.  We want to kill Arabs.  Just don't touch the oil wells.

Message: 51839
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/Mailing List
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 04:22:25

Ann, you want us to help your friend put out some more junk mail?
I don't believe it!!!!
 
                                    <<< Joe >>>

Message: 51840
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Joe/mailing
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 08:42:23

No Joe, not an advertizement mailing list. She has clients that want a list
of her new listings every month - they want it, she doens't just send it out
at random. Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

Message: 51841
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Conrad/Kennedy
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 08:43:05

Why do you think there are 2400 pics missing? =*--ANN--*=

Message: 51842
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/movies
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 08:56:01

If they are telling us something by showing war movies - they'd better not
show any Viet Nam ones or no one will inlist. They ought to show the old
world war II movies - where it was a cleaner war - no one died horriablly or
messy - the ones where they always show the Americans as being the good guys
that emerge victorious always and get the girl too. Where the enemy was
always swarthy and dark, sweaty and evil looking. No American was ever
afraid and would gladly give his life for his country with no questions
asked. We could use some of these old plots and just change the gooks for
the Arabs and Iranians and the battle field is the desert. Oh, for the good
old days when war was fun and clean. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 51843
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Hi-Jackers
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 14:33:59

        I am pissed they were allowed to slip away...  They should be
hunted down and KILLED!!!   Or, I suggest that the athorities kill two of
the terrorists that the hijackers wanted released from prison....
Kill them all would be fine as far as I am concerned and cover them with
swine.

Cliff

Message: 51844
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Movies
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 16:10:54

  Would you be happier if the current liberal thinking had been used to make
movies during World War II? If the media had been (or had been allowed to
be) as anti-American then as it is now we would probably have given up and
gone home then just like we did in Viet-Nam. As I have said to you before,
there was just as much principle involved in resisting communism in
Southeast Asia as there was in resisting fascism in Europe.
  See You Later,
   Dean H.

Message: 51845
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: The Prince
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 18:33:05

  As the deeds of this ruler were great and notable for a 
new prince, I will briefly show how well he could use the 
qualities of the fox and the lion, whose natures, as I said
before, it is necessary for a prince to imitate.  Knowing 
the sloth of the Emperor Julianus, Severus, who was leader 
of the army in Slavonia, persuaded the troops that it would 
be well to go to Rome to avenge the death of Pertinax, who
had been slain by the Praetorian guard, and under this 
pretext, without revealing his aspirations to the throne,
marched with his army to Rome and was in Italy before his 
departure was known.  On his arrival in Rome the senate
elected him emperor through fear, and killed Julianus.  
There remained after this beginning two difficulties to be
faced by Severus before he could obtain the whole control of
the empire: one in Asia, where Nigrinus, head of the Asiatic
armies, had declared himself emperor; the other in the west
from Albinus, who also aspired to the empire.  And as he 
judged it dangerous to show himself hostile to both, he
decided to attack Nigrinus and deceive Albinus, to whom he
wrote that having been elected emperor by the senate he 
wished to share that dignity with him; he sent him the title
of Caesar and, by deliberation of the senate, he was 
declared his colleague; all of which was accepted as true by
Albinus.  But when Severus had defeated and killed Nigrinus,

Message: 51846
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: The Prince
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 18:36:17

and pacified things in the East, he returned to Rome and
charged Albinus in the senate with having, unmindful of the
benefits received from him, traitorously sought to 
assassinate him, and stated that he was therefore obliged to
go and punish his ingratitude.  He then went to France to
meet him, and there deprived him of both his position and 
his life.

Message: 51847
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 19:39:32

People did die horribly in World War II, Ann.  The U.S. alone had 1,076,245
causalties in that war, compared to 157,530 in Korea and 211,005 in Vietnam.
Bullets and mortars don't do pretty things to bodies, and those one million
men didn't die in their sleep.
No war is pretty.  I have a book here by Bruce M. Russett called _No Clear
and Present Danger: A Skeptical View of the U.S. Entry into World War II_. 
He attempts to prove that the threat to U.S. national security did not
justify entering the war.
It raises an important question: what criteria do we use to decide if we
should go to war?  Should we go to war to protect our oil supplies?  Should
we go to war to save Ethiopia from another famine impossed by their
communist government?  Should we have gone to war to save Kampuchea from
their genocide, which outdid Hitler in brutality?
Where's the line between

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 1:        Ann's knows that people die horribly in any war.  What she said was 
 2:the movies on WWII showed the Americans having fun while the Germans and 
 3:Japenese were dying right and left, all without the benefit of blood or 
 4:gore, remember?   Also those older movies protrayed sex by showing a man 
 5:kissing a woman and in the next scene it was the next morning already.
 6:        By the way Ann, out of the five war movies, four were black & white 
 7:WWII and one was Chuck (the man) Norris dealing with terrorist, middle east 
 8:hijackers.  His motorcycle was equipped with rockets, fore and aft and he 
 9:could hit anything without hardly aiming.  He saved us all.
10:        The movie, Raid on Entebee was a movie based on a real occurance, it
11:showed how Isreal soldiers planned and carried out a mission to save 
12:hostages taken from a plane.  This movie with Chuck (the man) Norris was a 
13:total parallel although I expected Superman to show up any moment.  Too bad 
14:we had to fake the whole thing although some KIDS may have believed it and 
15:joined the military from seeing the movie.
16:        Rod
17:end

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Message: 51847
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 19:39:32

People did die horribly in World War II, Ann.  The U.S. alone had 1,076,245
causalties in that war, compared to 157,530 in Korea and 211,005 in Vietnam.
Bullets and mortars don't do pretty things to bodies, and those one million
men didn't die in their sleep.
No war is pretty.  I have a book here by Bruce M. Russett called _No Clear
and Present Danger: A Skeptical View of the U.S. Entry into World War II_. 
He attempts to prove that the threat to U.S. national security did not
justify entering the war.
It raises an important question: what criteria do we use to decide if we
should go to war?  Should we go to war to protect our oil supplies?  Should
we go to war to save Ethiopia from another famine impossed by their
communist government?  Should we have gone to war to save Kampuchea from
their genocide, which outdid Hitler in brutality?
Where's the line between a good war and a bad one?
My own feeling is that no war is good, but some are necessary to save even
more lives.

Message: 51848
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/Hijackers
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 20:34:58

I don't think you should apply for a job of hostage negotiater.

Message: 51849
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Answer!
Subject: Lippard/pronouns
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:04:06

  I think the solution to the pronoun problem is to handle English grammar
the same way as one book I saw handled Norwegian grammar.
  Let's re-do the gender system.
  First, there should be a gender to cover things.  Neuter works just fine
for that, so we can leave it as it is.
  Then, a sex-nonspecific gender for referring to beings.  This one will
take some work.
  That's all the genders we need, and is one more than Farsi or Chinese, but
we can go one better.  We can put in a special gender to use for beings that
are known to be female.  This would make women something special.  They
would be covered by the second gender along with the rest of us for cases
where sex is not relevant, but would have a gender all their own.  The
current feminine gender will do just fine.
  All we have to do is come up with the pronouns for the second gender
(called "common" in the aforementioned Norwegian grammar).  Well, since
we've dropped masculine, we have a bunch of unused pronouns we can use for
common, so let's do it.
  The upshot of all this is that all we have to do is rewrite the grammar
books to change the name of the masculine gender to "common", and the
language itself will not have to be modified at all.
  You're welcome.

==========  Pascal  #(O,O)# Hoot!  MacProgrammer  ==========

Message: 51850
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pregunta
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:06:25

Mi amigo me dice que Mark Adkins y Christian Williams se quieren, y van a
casarse.  Es verdad?

Tambien, como traduce "pestiferous" a espanol?

Message: 51851
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Vote
Subject: Old polls ...
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:42:48

OK, Mr. Sysop, I think it is about time the field got re-narrowed. By the
way, is LaRouche on there as a candidate?  He hasn't dropped out of the
running for the Democratic nomination that I know of.
 
Rev. Beau

Message: 51852
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau
Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:48:14

Oh wonderful, we have a Larouchie on this system.

Message: 51853
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 01:21:02

Ann was speaking of the relative lack of bloodshed in movies produced during
and shortly after WWII, not the war itself.

Message: 51854
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hijackers
Date: 04/22/88  Time: 05:29:25

For once, I agree with Cliff. THe more hijackers realize that they can gain
even some of their objectives, or at least gain international attention to
their cause, the more hijacking we will have.
 The only way to stop the horror stories effectively is
simply to deal with all hijackers as we would with rabid animals. Shoot them
all the first day of such an event, without so much as a word.
Some innocent victims would suffer too, yes, but there's no such thing as a
free lunch these days, and the suffering wuld be greatly diminished as soon
as potential hijackers know beforehand what their fate wouls be. THey would
soon find another, less hazardous way to get attention.
The most recent episode is a good demonstration of the statement that you
can't deal with animals anyway, so why even try.