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Message: 3339
Author: $ Jack Flash
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mail
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 20:03:08
I don't know. Anybody who'd inadvertently tear up a check they
received in the mail is a blight on the gene pool; they probably
wouldn't know how to cash the sucker anyway.
I don't think this is the best argument I've ever seen advanced
for the abolition of the U.S. Postal Service.
Message: 3340
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mail
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 21:08:50
Last
Well, the check I sent to the Painter for painting the store
the first time... he tore it up... and then pleaded with me to write him a
new one.... When he saw 'Apollo Computer' he thought it was JUNK Mail, till
later when he realized the place he painted was going by that name...
He sure felt foolish, and I thought it was awful stupid of him. I did write
him another check by the way....
I do NOT wish to see the abolition of the USPO, just Junk
Mail!
Cliff
Message: 3341
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mail
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 22:13:24
But, Cliff! Junk mailers are paying for a service, and they certainly don't
want to lose it.
Rev. Beau
Message: 3342
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Paul/Postal Sevice
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 22:33:03
Paul's absolutely right: Reagan's super-rich friends WILL benefit if the
Postal Service is privatized. They'll benefit from better service and
better value in their mail, as will we all.
Message: 3343
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Savage
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 00:22:03
I was quoting from an editorial in a liberal magazine to disprove your
assertion that only "ultra-conservatives" like the Heritage Foundation
(where I may be working this summer, by the way) favor privatization of the
Postal Service and your claim that the basis for all editorial advocacy of
privatization was resentment over reductions in second-class subsidies.
(Incidentally, Reason magazine, a longtime advocate of privatization, ran
an editorial some time ago calling for the abolition of second-class
subsidies, despite benefiting from them.)
Message: 3344
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/Junque mail
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 05:47:37
As I have said in past messages, the cost of mailing 3rd class business
mail(that stuff you refer to as junk) has risen som 350-400% since 1971, and
the fact that there is an increased volume of it every year attests to the
fact that it is an effective form of advertising. The fact that it is also
profitable for the USPS is at least one f the reasons that your first class
rate is not higher than it is. At .25, it's still one heck of a bargain,
considering the service you get for your quarter. That quarter will chase an
addressee all over the country, as long as he continues to turn in address
changes, and if he moves and leaves no change, the same quarter will return
the letter to you, with the information you need.
As to people teraing up checks thinking it was junk mail, all that proves
is the ignorance of some people. To recognize the difference between
business advertising and first class mail, all ne has to do is look at the
upper right hand corner of the envelope. If it's gt .25 postage on it, it's
first class. If it says "bulk rate", "non-profit" or some such endorsement,
it's advertising. People don't send checks via bulk mail!
Actually, it doesn't take all that much of your valuable time to check your
mail and separate the stuff you don't want from that you do, and you shoul
be thanking the mailers of all that "junk" mail for keeping your first class
rates the lowest in the world.
Message: 3345
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/Paul/Jack
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 13:52:34
I threw away a check once not too long ago, thinking it was junk mail and
I'm not stupid or ignorant either. They have just got very clever in their
envelope packaging is all. At least three times a week now, I get mail that
looks like re-fund checks from the government. Also, some of it looks very
official - like from a lawyer or the state etc. I HATE junk mail and wish it
would stop. I'll gladly pay a higher price to mail things to just get rid of
it. Why should I have to take those extra minutes a day Paul to open it?
They are infringing on my rights to not want commercialism ALL the time! I
can at least turn off the TV or radio when they come on, but not the mail. I
pay a small fortune all year just to get a few paid TV stations so I don't
get commercials. Now, even when I rent a movie - there are commercials on it
and I resent having to pay for that too. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 3346
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Junk! Mail
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 14:52:13
I too would pay more... Paul does not get the point...
He said the rate has gone UP for the Junk mailers... but, it is still
lower than we pay for postage. I think they should pay the SAME price we
pay since they make a PROFIT from their junk mail. Like it costs me a LOT
more to place a classified add for my store then it would cost Paul to place
an add to sell his dog... Why you ask, because I am in business to make
money so the paper wants a bigger cut. Why can't the post office do the
same.
I have had disks that were mailed to me simply "CRUSHED" in my mail
box because of Junk mail... Had there been less or no junk mail, the
postman would not have had to ram them into my box to get them to fit.
It is a good deal for a quarter....when it works!
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1: We are in the electronic age, let's use it to advertise.
2: How many trees are cut down each year in order to supply the paper
3:for 'junk' mail advertising?
4: According to the National Science Quiz on PBS several years ago, it
5:took 75,000 trees for one Sunday issue of the New York Times.
6: It would be easier and far better to read the 'news' over a low
7:voltage terminal screen than shit-can all those trees.
8: Save a tree - eat a beaver.
9:
10: Rod
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Message: 1228
Author: $ Jack Flash
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Commercials
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 20:10:18
If there's going to be commercials for the store, I think Cliff
should at least make then RHYME -- like the old Burma Shave signs.
Stagger them, Cliff, so they build to some kind of exciting
conclusion which will have the users here whipped into a veritable
frenzy of excitement.
Message: 1229
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Jack/last
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 13:55:57
The exciting conclusion is --- he's cheaper than other stores! That 'whips
me into a veritable frenzy of excitement'! Ta ta =*--ANN--*=
Message: 1230
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Up Yours
Subject: Commercial
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 14:58:48
Okay Jack...
There was a boy from Boston Mass
He had balls of solid Brass
He clanged them together
To make stormy weather
And lightning shot out of his Ass...
Now will you buy from me Jack?
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1: Hey, I can't top that, so why try.
2:end
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Message: 306
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 01:39:49
From what you've told me about Lamanuzzi, it sounds as though we really do
need him. Peter would like to attend though, so if we can change the date,
he would appreciate it.
Message: 307
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 01:55:21
If we can set a reasonable time that EVERYONE can agree to, and do it within
the next week, do it. What date would you suggest? (After the 15th.)
Message: 308
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 03:44:52
I'll talk to Cervelli later today to find out exactly when it is he's coming
back.
Message: 309
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
Subject: Jams
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 13:58:46
Anytime is alright by me, but I think someone as important as Peter should
be considered. No joke - he has contributed money and he really wants to be
there. That's my two cents worth - for what it's worth! =*--ANN--*=
Message: 310
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: GT or Bust!
Subject: Oh brother...
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 15:03:52
Ok Nick... How about July 4th and only if it goes over 120 in the
shade?
Why don't you (Nick) take over the date assignment for our GT and
you corrolate all of us together...
Okay Guys.... Nick is in charge here of getting a date set, leave
him your gripes and requests.... I am only along for the ride... any date
is fine by me, and if for some reason I can not make it, I will not cry for
my money back... but you had better let me see the film!
Take it away......Nick-i-san
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Message: 51806
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: The Prince
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 17:45:56
I conclude, therefore, that a prince need trouble little
about conspiracies when the people are well disposed, but
when they are hostile an hold him in hatred, then he must
fear everything and everybody. Well-ordered states and wise
princes have studied diligently not to drive the nobles to
desperation, and to satisfy the populace and keep it
contented, for this is one of the most important matters
that a prince has to deal with.
Among the kingdoms that are well ordered and governed in
our time is France, and there we find numberless good
institutions on which depend the liberty and security of the
king; of these the chief is the parliament and its
authority, because he who established that kingdom, knowing
the ambition and insolence of the great nobles, deemed it
necessary to have a bit in their mouths to check them. And
knowing on the other hand the hatred of the mass of the
people against the great, based on fear, and wishing to
secure them, he did not wish to make this the special care
of the king, to relieve him of the dissatisfaction that he
might incur among the nobles by favouring the people, and
among the people by favouring the nobles. He therefore
established a third judge that, without direct charge of the
king, kept in check the great and favoured the lesser
people. Nor could any better or more prudent measure have
been adopted, nor better precaution for the safety of the
king and the kingdom. From which another notable rule can
be drawn, that princes should let the carrying out of
unpopular duties devolve on others, and bestow favours
themselves. I conclude again by saying that a prince must
esteem his nobles, but not make himself hated by the
populace.
Message: 51808
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Taxes
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 20:33:15
If the majority of Americans feel the same as you do (oppose taxes and
don't believe that it makes any difference how they vote) then that explains
why we are in the current mess.
See you later,
Dean H.
Message: 51809
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Bubbles
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 21:38:33
Hello,
If you should happen to log on as this person again would you mind
explaining what it is that you want? This type of diatribe seems to
be aimed at claiming a general victim status without any real concrete
grievances or remedies in mind.
A total restructuring of the English language would not cause women
to remain in thier careers as long as men and reach the same average
level of pay.
Likewise it would not prevent most women from freely choosing to
fraternize with men, marry them, and raise children at the expense of
thier other possible career choices.
Your claim of institutionalized violence against women to keep them
subjegated is an easily exposed hoax. If there were any truth to it
then the backlash from it would have created a wide spread civil war
instead of a tiny uprising of laughable extremists.
See you later,
Dean H.
Message: 51810
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 22:47:52
I think it was just a satirical message, entered by Pete Moss.
He just wants us to THINK he went back to Massachusetts.
Message: 51811
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann Oudin
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 23:23:03
Ann,
I'm still here, lurking around the corners.
(LL)oyd Pulley
Message: 51812
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 23:55:33
I just can't picture you lurking.
Message: 51813
Author: Mike Cormier
Category: Question?
Subject: ATHEISM/ RE:51562
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 03:11:14
I'm a non-believer myself.
What I want to know is: Where is the logic in attacking what you don't
believe in the first place?
Message: 51814
Author: Mike Cormier
Category: Politics
Subject: Mecham
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 03:32:35
the guy is gone for the rest of this term. If the voters elect him again,
(for any office,) they will certianly be reminded by his opponents of what
he's done and will know what they're voting for.
Why do people insist on labeling him a Mormon? The man was an
embarresment(sp?) because of what he wouldn't believe (i.e. the "good
people" were displeased with him) Not because of what he did believe.
Message: 51815
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 51813
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 08:01:21
If you see a certain belief you don't hold as a possible threat, it makes
perfect sense to attack it. That's why religions attack each other.
Message: 51816
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 13:22:57
Yeah - your right. I was just in a slight depressive mood when I wrote that.
Thanks for the book - will start in on it soon. =*--ANN--*=
Message: 51817
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: News Today
Subject: We gotta do ....
Date: 04/19/88 Time: 13:38:05
.... something about this! There was an article in the paper this AM and we
certainly must do our part in seeing that a thing like this that is a
protential danger, go un-heeded.
Headline: EATING ROOTS OF DEADLY PLANT ON TRAIL KILLED HIKER, POISON
EXPERT REPORTS!
The article goes on to say that this hiker got hungry and ate some of this
root called 'Cicutadouglasii'- one mouth full can kill! Now as I see it -
we've got to get ahold of Ralph Nader or someone - we must pass a law making
it against the law to eat said root - to go one step farther, we should get
a panel together to go out and label each and every plant with a warning -
- 'The Surgeon General warns that this plant can be deadly to your health'
etc. etc. We must spend millions spraying the fields where this foul root
grows and until it's under control, all wilderness areas, parks, playgrounds
must be evacuated until futher notice! No doubt, there are sleezy
'Cicutadouglasii' peddlers roaming the streets, hooking our kids on the root
We must root them out (pardon the pun!) and throw them in jail. We cannot
let this thing go or it will get out of hand. Send your cards & letters to
your congressmen, the President, the governor. (who ever that is at the
moment) Look in your back yards for signs of it. Beware! =*--ANN--*=
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Message: 1284
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol/Ed
Date: 04/18/88 Time: 22:50:02
Your story is typical of those I've heard from other females on the system.
He was clearly mentally ill. I mean that seriously; I feel sorry for his
family.
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1: I think everyone is mentally ill to some extent. If any of us are
2:well and strong it would seem that we could lick the mental health problem
3:in this world, however it just ain't that way.
4: Usually, when a normal person recognizes someone who is outwardly
5:daft, they will joke or mock but usually not be able to help them because of
6:their own problem.
7: Perhaps in another century or two, perhaps not.
8: Rod
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1: Over the weekend I purchased "Marx For Beginners" by Ruis and "The
2:Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. So far I have read
3:about 80 pages of the former and find Marx to be facinating. This book
4:delves into his life and tells about people he knew and the ongoing economic
5:situation of his life.
6: Rod