[HEA] _____________________ ___ _ |___ ______________| | | | | | | _ | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | ____ _ _ _ _ ______ | | | || | | | / __ \ | | / \_/ \ | ___ \ | | | || |__ ____ | | / / \ | | /\ /\ \ | | \ \ | | | || _ \ | _ \ | | \ \__/ | | | |_|| | | |__/ / | | | || | | || |_|| | | \___/|_| |_| |_| | ____/ |_| | || | | || |__ | |____________________ | | _ |__||_| |_|\____/ |________________________| | | |_| | | Lighting Your Apple II Path | | |_| ----------------------------------- >>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON Syndicomm Online AND THE BEST OF THE DELPHI A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS "Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 6, No. 8 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TABLE OF CONTENTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ August 15, 2003 HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN] Where Did the Time Go? KansasFest 2003 KansasFest 2004 A Record is Broken - A Record is Tied A2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS------------[DAS] Protector Uploaded to A2 Library---------------------------------[PUL] The Protector is Now Available-----------------------------------[TPA] Marinetti 3.0b1--------------------------------------------------[MRI] Spectrum Internet Suite (SIS) Now Open Source--------------------[SIS] Defender of the Crown--------------------------------------------[DTC] Group Purchase of No Slot Clock----------------------------------[NSC] SuperDrive Connected to IIgs Disk Port---------------------------[SGD] Life of a Home-Burned CD-----------------------------------------[HBC] Project Delta Phi------------------------------------------------[PDP] Bug Report For Marinetti 3.0b1-----------------------------------[BRM] The Online Index to GEnieLamp A2, A2Pro, and The Lamp!-----------[LOI] All Four Years of UpTime on One CD-ROM---------------------------[FYU] The OSXII Emulator-----------------------------------------------[TOE] The Kegs 32 Emulator---------------------------------------------[KTE] ILLUMINATING THE LAMP-------------------------------------------------[ITL] An overview of GEnieLamp A2 and The Lamp! Editor's Note ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM------------------------------------------[ANS] To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU] The August 2003 Issue of Syndicommotion Is Ready-----------------[ASR] THE TINKERER'S CORNER-------------------------------------------------[TTC] Deja II - Classic Appleworks 5.1 on an Older Mac You are Invited LETTERS TO THE EDITOR-------------------------------------------------[LTE] Power Supplies An Invitation KFEST 2003------------------------------------------------------------[KFT] KansasFest 2003 - The Editor's Slant-----------------------------[ESL] Cindy's KFest 2003 Report----------------------------------------[CKR] Enjoyed KansasFest-----------------------------------------------[EKF] New and Updated Products at KFest--------------------------------[NAU] A Great KFest----------------------------------------------------[AGK] KFest Just Keeps Getting Better----------------------------------[KGB] XML for Storing Data---------------------------------------------[XML] GShisen Competition Tough----------------------------------------[GCT] KFEST 2004------------------------------------------------------------[KFF] KansasFest 2004--------------------------------------------------[KF4] Start Planning---------------------------------------------------[SYP] Plans to be There------------------------------------------------[PBT] Watch for More Information at the KFest Home Page----------------[VKF] EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN] [*] [*] [*] READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make """"""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load this issue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will find something like: EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN] To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate [INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA]. [OPN]------------------------------- HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER | ------------------------------------ From The Editor """"""""""""""" by Lyle Syverson Where Did the Time Go? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Relaxing on the patio High Above The Rock River... reliving KansasFest 2003... darkness sets in... sleep, gradually, comes... Then the clock in the steeple across the water chimes you awake. 10 PM. Where did the time go? KansasFest 2003 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KFest 2003 was a real winner. Suddenly it was the end of the week and we were getting ready to go home. Where did the time go? See the KFest 2003 section of this issue for details. KansasFest 2004 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Start planning and saving money now for KFest 2004... or later you will be saying to yourself... "I don't have the time or money to go to KFest again this year... where did the time go?" A Record is Broken - A Record is Tied ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Doug Cuff held the record for longest service as editor of GenieLamp Apple II... 41 issues. With this issue I will have served as editor of _The Lamp!_ for 44 issues. 68 issues of GenieLamp Apple II were published. This is the 68th issue of _The Lamp!_ Where did the time go? [EOA] ASCII ART BEGINS _________ _ _ _ |__ __| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |___ ____ | | _____ __ ___ _ _ _____ | | | | | ___ \ / __ \ | | /____ \ | v v | | v ___ \ | | | | | | | | | /__\ \ | | ____| | | /\ /\ | | / \ \ | | | | | | | | | _____| | | / ___ | | || || | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | |_____ | |____ | |__| | | || || | | \___/ / _ |_| |_| |_| \______| |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/ |_| | | | | |_| ASCII ART ENDS [EOA] [DAS]---------------------------------------------- DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com | (A2Central.com) | --------------------------------------------------- by Lyle Syverson [PUL] PROTECTOR UPLOADED TO A2 LIBRARY """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" There is a new upload in the system_software/misc_16-bit/desk_accessories/nda directory: File: protector10.bxy Size: 5888 Date: Aug 3 The Protector is a new NDA for Apple IIgs computers running System 6.0 or later. It lets you lock your computer so nobody can use it without knowing a password you specify. While locked, the CDA menu is disabled, and the screen is black, except for the window asking for the password. Each failed attempt to access your computer causes a counter to increase, so you can see when you return to your desk if anyone tried to get into your Apple IIgs. Note that the Apple II is an open system and there are ways around this, such as rebooting the system, but it will keep casual looky-loos out. Uploaded by the author, Eric Shepherd. Tony Ward, A2 Librarian (A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 21) [EOA] [TPA] THE PROTECTOR IS NOW AVAILABLE """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The Protector is now available! It's an NDA that helps keep people from poking around your computer while you're away from your keyboard. It password locks the desktop, and disables access to the CDA menu. Check it out! You can download it from the SheppyWare FTP site. Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 24, Top 20, Msg 1) [EOA] [MRI] MARINETTI 3.0b1 """"""""""""""" Kfest 2003 was the staging ground for the announcement of Marinetti 3.0b1 by the contributors of the Marinetti Open Source Project Andrew Roughan and Richard Bennett-Forrest. http://sourceforge.net/projects/marinetti New features include - Included MacIP link Layer - CHAP support for the PPP and Scripted PPP link layers - Various bug fixes. - Revised Documentation - updated header files - new link layer format (A2.DAIN, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 48) >>>> """"" I managed to install Marinetti 3.0b1 while at Kfest with little or no incident. Besides of course, me forgetting to write down my DNS numbers and having use numbers Geoff Weiss had. It works pretty well so far. Dain Neater (A2.DAIN, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 49) >>>> """"" I've been pretty busy the last few days, but I'm going to get 3.0b1 installed on my GS and start hammering away. I have a TCP/IP code project in mind. :) Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 51) >>>> """"" I have Marinetti 3.0b1 installed and am happy to report it seems to be working fine. I'm connected through the LANceGS and have tested it with SIS 1.2, SOAR, TelnetNDA, GWFTP. All is fine in GS Land. Dain Neater (A2.DAIN, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 52) >>>> """"" That's great! I've found 3.0d8 (the predecessor to 3.0b1) to be quite good, so I'm looking forward to getting 3.0b1 installed. I'm not aware of it being up online anywhere yet. Syndicomm will be selling developer kits on CD-ROM soon, with printed manuals, once we get the PDF manuals from Andrew. Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 54) [EOA] [SIS] Spectrum Internet Suite (SIS) NOW OPEN SOURCE """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" SIS has a new topic now that it is Open Source. It no longer needs to be referenced by any of its previous commercial distributors. This topic is for providing any assistance that SIS users may need. Discussion for future Open Source development is also relevant. (GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 1) >>>> """"" The SIS web site has been updated to include the new features of SIS 1.2 and the source code. The web site is accessible at http://sis.gwlink.net/ Geoff (GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 2) >>>> """"" I got my copy of SIS (thanks Geoff) but haven't installed it on the LANce'd machine yet. It's there, just uninstalled. Maybe tomorrow. Ryan (A2.RYAN, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 3) >>>> """"" Geoff, is the 1.2 release version on disk one of the set compiled or not? Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 4) >>>> """"" No, the scripts are not in a compiled state. I never got a chance to verify that the compilation worked. But the source is provided so anybody can compile the scripts if wished. Geoff (GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 5) >>>> """"" The SIS web site located at http://sis.gwlink.net/ has been updated with new screen shots highlighting some of the features that is available with Spectrum Internet Suite. Geoff (GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 6) >>>> """"" New Features in Spectrum Internet Suite 1.2 * First release as Open Source under the GNU General Public License. * TCP/IP enhanced - no shell account required. * Access to Virtual Web sites without dedicated IP addresses. * New Web-interface mini-Finder. + Launch IIGS Applications. + Rename Files and Folders. + Move Files. + Copy Files. + Delete Files. + Create Folders. + View Disk and File Information. * VT100 Telnet to servers (requires TCP/IP and Spectrum 2.5.1 or higher). + Using telnet:// URLs and links. + User-Friendly Telnet Connect Window. * Email Enhancements: + All generated emails are MIME 1.0 compliant. + Send Blind Copy Copies. + Add up to 100 file attachments--all GS/OS files supported (requires TCP/IP). + Remove individual attachments. * Bookmarks Enhancements: + Import Bookmarks from Arachnid. + Add Bookmarks from: o Link Info Window. o File Info Window. o User-Friendly Telnet Connect Window. * TCP/IP specific features + Launch SIS from the Finder with no messy configurations. + Stop Web connections during DNS lookups or connection phases. * HTTP download. * Eye candy: Icons next to locations in the Bookmarks and Go menus. * Bug fixes for greater reliability! (GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 36, Msg 7) [EOA] [DTC] DEFENDER OF THE CROWN """"""""""""""""""""" Capcom will be publishing for the PC and game consoles a sequel to the Apple II classic "Defender of the Crown". Further details at Page 850 (Gamebits), Category 8, Topic 7, Message 2. (KGAGNE, Cat 14, Top 1, Msg 95) >>>>> """"" Wasn't Defender of the Crown released by Cinemaware as freeware or something similar? I seem to remember not playing that on an Apple II, but on either the NES or SNES. I would love to get a hold of a II version. Dain (A2.DAIN, Cat 14, Top 1, Msg 96) >>>>> """"" A2Central.com reported in November 2001 (wow, has it been that long?) that Cinemaware has released certain of their games (including NES titles, such as Defender of the Crown) as freeware. Their URL is http://www.cinemaware.com/vault.asp?vault=games (KGAGNE, Cat 14, Top 1, Msg 98) [EOA] [NSC] GROUP PURCHASE OF NO SLOT CLOCK """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Guys, This is just to let you know that I'm going to put together a group purchase of Dallas Semiconductor Smartwatch chips (aka No Slot Clock). I have received a sample unit and it works great in my Platinum IIe. If you want price info just send me an e-mail. If I can put together a minimum order of 25 we should be able to get them for around $20 + S&H each. If you're interested in one (or more), e-mail to mark@syndicomm.com or corner me in RTC. BTW, I have already posted this to csa2 and Delphi. Does anyone think it would be too far off topic for the KFest list? I'm thinking it might but there also might be people there who don't read a forum regularly. Mark Percival - Apprentice Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.1 & SOAR v1.0b10 The Apple ][ Fanatic and Wednesday Night RTC Host "Midweek Madness!" from 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM Pacific Time (MARK, Cat 17, Top 6, Msg 22) >>>>> """"" Tony Diaz's message 8 in this topic has a ton of info about No Slot Clocks. I have thrown together a Group Purchase FAQ of sorts mostly for the csa2 people. Again if you are interested in getting in on this send me an e-mail. I have currently 20 preorders and need 25 at a minimum to proceed. No Slot Clock Group Purchase FAQ (V1.1 - 6 Aug 2003) Revision History ================ V1.1 6 Aug 2003 - Added information regarding NSC compatibility with the Apple //c plus. V1.0 5 Aug 2003 - Initial FAQ ** Denotes new or updated info Q: Who are you? A: My name is Mark Percival and I live in Quebec, Canada. I have been an Apple II user since 1979. Today I am an Apple II collector with a dozen machines in my personal collection. I am also a staff member of Syndicomm Online and host a weekly chat (RTC or Real Time Conference) in the A2 Forum every Wednesday from 7:00pm to 9:00 pm Pacific time. However this group purchase I am organizing is not affiliated with Syndicomm Online as I am doing it on my own. Q: What is in this for you? A: I have been a supporter of the Apple II for a long time and typically do small requests for free (making disk images mostly). When I heard that No Slot Clock's were still available for purchase I ordered one. Once I found out how easy they were to install and setup I decided to organize a group purchase. If I am able to put together a minimum order of 25 units I am willing to go ahead with the purchase. I am doing this at cost + 10% of the unit cost per chip. With this 10% I hope to earn enough to take my wife and child out to dinner. I am not normally in the Apple II hardware business. Q: Are the batteries fresh? Hasn't it been a long time since NSC's (No Slot Clocks) were manufactured? A: NSC's were originally sold for the Apple II by Systems Manufacturing Technologies of San Marcos, California starting in the late 1980's. It is my understanding that all they did was resell Dallas Semiconductor Smartwatch chips. Dallas Semiconductor still manufactures them as they are still used in a variety of components. Q: Will these clocks work on Dos 3.3, CP/M and Pascal? A: I am able to provide the proper patches for ProDOS only. I am unaware of patches for other OS's. However I am including the source code for the ProDOS patch so you may be able to devise your own. Q: Which models of Apple II will they work in? A: They will work in any Apple II with a 28-pin ROM socket. The Apple IIe, Apple IIc and Apple IIc+ all have such ROM sockets for their system ROM's (CD ROM, EF ROM or CF ROM) on the motherboard. The Apple II / II + lacks a 28-pin ROM socket on the motherboard but I've been told they will work under a 28-pin ROM socket on a peripheral card. Q: Will this work properly in an accelerated Apple II such as a IIc plus? A: Yes, it works fine. I tested this myself on my Apple IIc plus and the only thing I found was the utility that sets the clock failed to detect the presence of the chip if running at 4MHz speed. Rebooting at 1Mhz speed (holding down the 'esc' key on bootup) allowed it to detect the chip and properly set the time. The patched ProDOS *does* read the time properly at either 1MHz or 4MHz speed. So outside of the occasion when you need to set the time there are no issues that I found. Q: What is the cost? A: Price is dependent upon quantity I am able to purchase. Here is the info I have at this time from Dallas Semiconductor (In US$): Quantity 1-24: $27.21 Quantity 25-99: $21.47 Quantity 100-999: $17.68 Quantity 1000+: $14.51 These prices include Canadian GST (7%) and a 10% markup. Sometimes GST isn't charged so if that happens I will pass on the saving to you. Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much since they are pretty light. You pay whatever it costs me to ship it to you. I do not make any money on shipping. Of course the more you buy the less the per unit shipping cost will be. Q: Will you ship International (outside Canada and USA)? A: Yes but shipping cost will be adjusted accordingly. Q: Where is the software available? A: I will provide all the software you need to patch ProDOS and set the clock via e-mail (free) or diskette (cost of diskette). Q: How do I put my name on the list? A: Send an e-mail letting me know how many you would like. I will send you an e-mail confirming that you are on the list. My e-mail address is (decode spam block) "mark at syndicomm dot com". If you don't receive a confirming e-mail within a couple of days, resend. Q: When will you place the order? A: My thinking is that a minimum order of 25 would give us a decent price break and worth doing. I would really like to be able to order 100 minimum. I don't think 1000 is realistic. Once I have everybody I think is interested I'll make a "last call", provide specific shipping cost and ask for money. Once all the money is collected I'll place the order. Dallas Semiconductor says they have the chips in stock and estimate 4 business days for me to receive them. I will then notify you when I receive them and again when I ship your order. Q: Your e-mail address has you with Syndicomm Online. Is this group buy affiliated with Syndicomm Online? A: No. I am on staff with Syndicomm Online but they have no connection with this group purchase. The success or failure of this purchase is totally my responsibility. (MARK, Cat 17, Top 6, Msg 26) [EOA] [SGD] SuperDrive CONNECTED TO IIgs DISK PORT """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" A fair while back I converted most of my 3.5" drives to SuperDrives but I left a few in case I should someday run across a program that was incompatible. I mean incompatible with a SuperDrive acting as an 800k drive connected to a IIgs disk port. Anyone know of any such programs? Wayne (WAYNES, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 33) >>>>> """"" I know the Superdrive controller card won't run some demo disks, but I don't think there is a problem using the drives connected directly to the GS. Certainly no programs worth worrying about. Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Mon 7 Jul 03 9:04:42 pm cknoblo@cox.com - Via Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b10 KFest 2003, July 22-27, 2003 - 15 days till KFest On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard. A2 RTC Staff - Sunday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com (CARLK, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 34) >>>>> """"" I've yet to find any such incompatibility. Ryan (A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 35) >>>>> """"" You might want to check the following: Copy 2+ Sector Editor Dungeon Master I don't remember if it was the superdrive + controller card combo or just the superdrive connected to the internal port, or both. I'll have to test these later to be sure. (FINKSTERJ, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 36) >>>>> """"" You can add Divisi-Cache too. (FINKSTERJ, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 37) >>>>> """"" This question was posted in comp.sys.apple2 as well, and my response there was confirmed by others. A SuperDrive connected directly to the IIgs port should be physically indistinguishable from a normal 800K drive. OTOH, the controller - wonderful though it is - is not so compatible. As others here have pointed out, some casualties include Diversi-Cache, Reader Rabbit, Copy II+, some demos, and I'm sure there are others. For that matter, the controller even has at least one outstanding bug that I know of. It's been a few years now, but from memory if you try to re-format a disk that had been previously formatted in the "other" format (ie. GCR vs MFM), the drive and/or GS/OS get very confused. (The low-level format completes correctly, but the drive becomes more or less unusable until you reboot. In particular, writing the boot blocks and directory fails.) Peter peterw@syndicomm.com Palm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager (PETERW, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 38) >>>>> """"" I'm wondering where you get all those superdrives to make those conversions, I have one and would love to convert all my 3.5" drives to superdrives. Bruce (BBAKER, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 39) >>>>> """"" I set up Macs for a teacher and a counselor that place the Macs with kids that couldn't otherwise afford any computer. We use early PPC Macs or if short use a quadra but nothing earlier. So if I end up with 030 or earlier Macs I have no use for them and nobody will take them so I usually strip them. I used to take any Mac but now I'm getting more selective. Anyways I have some extra 1.4 mb mechanisms so if you need one or two, they're yours for the cost of the shipping from Canada. Wayne (WAYNES, Cat 17, Top 29, Msg 41) [EOA] [HBC] LIFE OF A HOME-BURNED CD """""""""""""""""""""""" Does anyone know definitively what is the life of a home-burned CD? I was at CompUSA (a veritable font (fount?) of wisdom) asking about a brand to use on my PowerBook G4, and he said most any branded CD should be okay (i.e., Maxell, TDK, etc), but that any of them will lose their data in 2-3 years, since the laser burns the info into a gel, which simply won't last much longer. The commercially burned CD's are much longer lived because they use a different process. Now, I did buy some "generic" CompUSA disks years ago, and they did become unreadable within a year, but I thought it was because they were cheap. Any comments? Steven Weyhrich --< Apple II History http://apple2history.org (A2HISTORY, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 25) >>>>> """"" I've never heard from a reliable source that burned CDs have a greater failure rate than commercially-pressed ones, but it's possible. Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 26) >>>>> """"" It depends entirely on the quality of the original CD. Cheaply made ones in general have a high failure rate after a couple of years or so. From the 2000 or so CDRs that I have burned, only the really cheap ones I bought have failed so far. But it is not so much how much you paid for them, but the quality of their manufacture. As a general guide, CDRs with darker dyes, tend to be better quality. CDRs made in Japan, also seem to be better quality. CDRs made by Taiyo Yuden seem the be the best. These are not sold under that brand name though, but are often used by the big boys like Fuji, HP etc. In house CRs from places like CompUSA seem to be the worst. Good CDrs should last twenty years or more, bad ones can last a few weeks. So avoid the cheapest, and go for Japanese manufactured dark dyes... The same rules go for DVD-Rs as well... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 2 Aug 2003 - 353 days till KFest '04 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11 Setup: IIgs running at 95Mhz thanks to Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/ (CONDUCTOR, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 27) >>>>> """"" Like Shep, I have not heard much in the way of reliability reports from credible sources, partly because I think that longitudinal reports are just not yet possible given the recent availability of home CDR/CDRW machines. I feel pretty secure with CD as a storage medium for backups, but I would make multiple backups of things that have historical significance. Ryan (A2.RYAN, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 28) >>>>> """"" So, would it fair to presume that a brand sold under a "major" label should be reliable for the long haul? I bought some Sony CD-R's, for example, to use in creating durable copies of the iTunes Music Store purchases I've made, to guard against a hard drive crash or scramble. And then there are some CD-R's that are sold as "music" CD-R, vs a "data" CD-R. How does one judge on the relative merits of those? Steven Weyhrich --< Apple II History http://apple2history.org (A2HISTORY, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 29) >>>>> """"" >> And then there are some CD-R's that are sold as "music" CD-R, vs a "data" CD-R. How does one judge on the relative merits of those? << Music or audio CD-Rs, are the same as any other CD-Rs, but you pay more for them as a royalty payment to musicians. Brands like Sony, in theory should be good, but it does not follow. If you really want disks to last, go for the most expensive disk of a good named brand, look for disks made in Japan, and are actually manufactured by Taiyo Yuden or Ritek. I would also go for gold backed disks if there is a choice. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Tue 5 Aug 2003 - 350 days till KFest '04 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11 Setup: IIgs running at 95Mhz thanks to Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/ (CONDUCTOR, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 32) >>>>> """"" Personally, I use CD-ROMs as a backup to a Hard Disk as a habit. But never as a "This is my only copy" medium. What I find myself doing more often than not is actually backing one machine up to another so that important data is stored in multiple locations, just in case. Dain Neater (A2.DAIN, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 33) >>>>> """"" This is pretty disappointing to learn. Here I thought that CD's were pretty indestructible data repositories (barring physical destruction of the media). When CD burners came out, I inferred that the data was good forever, but according to what I've just read above, there's a good chance it won't last much longer than a floppy! Ewen, just to get a grasp of the (percentage) size of the problem, of the 2000 CDs you've burned, how many have failed? Is there any correlation between the failure rate and the burn speed? I know that (in my limited experience) burn speeds do affect the chances of getting a clean burn initially*, but I was wondering about the long term effects of burn speed given initial success. * In my last company we had a 4X CD-Burner that we only used at 2X, because we'd lose about 20% of the CDs if we burned at 4X. I believe that was because the 233MHz computer we were running it on couldn't keep up with the 4X drive. _________ | homas (TCOMPTER, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 34) >>>>> """"" >> Ewen, just to get a grasp of the (percentage) size of the problem, of the 2000 CDs you've burned, how many have failed? << Obviously I am not able to test all the CDs I have burned, but I would say perhaps six or so have failed over time. I have had a higher failure rate with cheap CD-Rs during the burn and verification process, but at least you know it has failed at that point, and can reburn. Perhaps about 30 have failed at the burn stage out of the 2000 or so. >> Is there any correlation between the failure rate and the burn speed? << I cannot say. I have had three burners have their lasers fail on me in that time, and each new burner has been faster than the previous one. I would not have thought that any of the CD-Rs that failed over time were burned any faster than 8x. I now use an external 20x burner, and an 8x and 16x internal burner, all of which are slow by today's standards. It is too soon to say whether any of the disks from those burners have failed over time. For CD-Rs only, it seems to make no difference as to what speed a disk is rated at, it burns quite happily at the 20x maximum I can manage. In fact as faster burners have appeared, I have seen old packages of CD-R disks on sale have labels stuck on them to say they are now rated at a higher speed! >> know that (in my limited experience) burn speeds do affect the chances of getting a clean burn initially << A burner should be increasing the power of the laser when it burns at a faster speed, so this should not be a factor. What can be more important is that the older burners, which are not burn-proof rated, require data to be fed to it in a constant stream. If your computer is also old and slow, then it might not be doing this cleanly. USB burners should be avoided like the plague. They rarely can burn cleanly at full speed, and are prone to busy USB lines affecting the smooth flow of data. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 9 Aug 2003 - 346 days till KFest '04 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11 Setup: IIgs running at 95Mhz thanks to Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/ (CONDUCTOR, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 35) >>>>> """"" Actually music CDRs aren't exactly the same as regular CDRs. A musician friend bought a stand alone CD burner and discovered it will only burn to those special Music CDRs. Wayne (WAYNES, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 36) >>>>> """"" Even the cheapest of the cheap CDs should last 10 years or more if kept away from sunlight. And since most people will have moved on to a different storage medium by then (DVD, and/or whatever is coming beyond that), there's no problem. Think about how much of your important data is sitting on media that is older than 10 years. If it's a lot, you're flirting with disaster anyway. Almost (if not all) CD-R/RW media comes from Japan and Taiwan. The Japanese discs are generally regarded as superior because of their higher level of quality control. Look on the outer label, usually near the UPC code, to find out where a package was made. But the material is really what determines the longevity. Many of the cheapie brands use Cyanine dye on a silver reflective background. To my eye it just looks silver, with no tinting. It may also be used on a gold background, which would make it appear bright green. I use these all the time, but I'm not sure I'd trust them as a permanent backup solution. This is the kind that is more susceptible to sunlight damage. If you want to buy the best, look for Phthalocyanine dye. It's got a darker, dull green tint if the disc has a silver background, or yellowish/green on a gold background. Silver is the most common, but the more expensive gold will not oxidize and thus will last longer, probably 100 years or more if kept safe. By the way, it doesn't seem to matter what color is on the top of the disc. And just because the top looks gold doesn't mean the underside reflective layer is gold. Flip it over and look near the outer or inner rim. Burn speed may affect a disc's initial quality (ie. sometimes you might get a "bad burn" that creates a useless coaster), but longevity should not be affected once the disc is successfully burned. I have read that the Phthalocyanine dye is less tolerant of high speed burns, but I have not found that to be the case in my personal use. But does all that really matter? Discs are so cheap now (I usually buy whatever 50-pack spindle Best Buy has on sale w/rebate for $2.99) that you can afford to burn two copies of your important data: One for general use, and one to keep safe as a backup. Then in 10 years or so, when CD burners are no longer even being made, it will be time to change to something else. Tony Ward (A2.TONY, Cat 19, Top 22, Msg 37) [EOA] [PDP] Project Delta Phi """"""""""""""""" Some questions were asked about Project Delta Phi and here are some answers: Q: Does Project Delta Phi require/use Marinetti? A: No. Q: When will it be released? A: I am in no rush to get this completed. Q: Will there be an announcement/release at Kfest 2003? A: No. It turned out that much of the code needs a major rewrite so it is back to the drawing board to make it actually work right. I suck for announcing a mystery project really early in the game--I had actually thought it would be easier to write then it had become. Geoff (GEOFF, Cat 20, Top 13, Msg 61) [EOA] [BRM] BUG REPORT FOR MARINETTI 3.0b1 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Bug report for Marinetti 3.0b1 Running under Bernie ][ the Rescue with ROM 03 emulation and 14Mb of RAM. Once connected, CHAP authentication now seems to be stable, but still shows a bunch of garbage on the Spectrum screen after connect. Is the initial authentication data perhaps passing through when it should be stopped? There seems still to be a problem with the modem initializing routines. These have changed somewhere between Marinetti 2.0 and 3.0, and it sets up the modem randomly at connect. This means I cannot connect from the CDev, but can from within Spectrum, though after a disconnect, I cannot reconnect cleanly again. When I return to the Spectrum online display, I see all the failed responses from the modem. I would suggest cross-referencing the method used in Marinetti 2.0 against 3.0, as that works every time for me. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 2 Aug 2003 - 353 days till KFest '04 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11 Setup: IIgs running at 95Mhz thanks to Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/ (CONDUCTOR, Cat 20, Top 14, Msg 2) [EOA] [LOI] THE ONLINE INDEX TO GEnieLamp A2, A2Pro, AND The Lamp! """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" And, the online Index to GEnieLamp A2, A2Pro, and The Lamp! has been updated to include the contents in the latest issue of The Lamp! (as well as adding Feb through July 1993 of GEnieLamp A2Pro). It can be found at: http://www.syndicomm.com/~a2history/lamp I will also soon be uploading the July update to the Index to the A2Central library here. Do you realize what a WEALTH of information is contained in the Lamp newsletters? Many items (such as the recent discussion of the function of the RESET routine on the Apple II) are dealt with to some extent in the pages of the Lamp over the years. When the index adding the A2Pro info is completed, you will have even MORE that can be searched. Check it out! You will be amazed what you will (re)learn! _I_ was! Steven Weyhrich --< Apple II History http://apple2history.org (A2HISTORY, Cat 20, Top 20, Msg 98) >>>>> """"" I've got the new stand alone index uploaded to the Uploads Go Here directory. Steven Weyhrich --< Apple II History http://apple2history.org (A2HISTORY, Cat 20, Top 20, Msg 99) [EOA] [FYU] ALL FOUR YEARS OF UPTIME ON ONE CD-ROM """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Here's where to talk about Ultimate Uptime, which will be released next week at KFest. Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 24, Top 35, Msg 1) [EOA] [TOE] THE OSXII EMULATOR """""""""""""""""" There is an article in the September, 2003 issue of Mac Addict about emulators for Mac OS 10.2.2. It mentions an Apple II emulator called OSXII. I sent MacAddict an email letting them know about all of the great Apple II software available from Syndicomm that will run on an emulator. (Hint, Hint) Cindy (CINDYADAMS, Cat 29, Top 3, Msg 11) >>>>> """"" Feel free to include an URL to our store when you email. LOL. :) Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 3, Msg 12) [EOA] [KTE] THE Kegs 32 EMULATOR """""""""""""""""""" Well I use Kegs 32 on my PC Athalon XP 1900+ and It works great! The only problem I have with it is the sound is a little intermittent (TECHNERD, Cat 29, Top 6, Msg 4) >>>>> """"" I'd try Kegs32, but I am not that familiar with the image utilities and for some reason (I think Geoff knows), the images created in Bernie tend to be unusable in Kegs. Dain (A2.DAIN, Cat 29, Top 6, Msg 5) >>>>> """"" I have used KEGS32 on the Windows thing at work, and while its UI could use some work, it was by no means awful. The speed was more than reasonable on a 500 MHz Pentium III box. Ryan (A2.RYAN, Cat 29, Top 6, Msg 6) >>>>> """"" Bernie only corrupts .2img disk images. If you use standard .po disk images, there won't be any problems using them between Bernie and KEGS. I am pretty sure I (or somebody else) documented what Bernie does wrong in another post somewhere in the forums. I had used a hex file editor to fix the bad bytes when moving a Bernie .2img disk image to KEGS. Geoff (GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 6, Msg 7) >>>>> """"" >> Bernie only corrupts .2img disk images << I'd like to know exactly what it is doing to those disk images. Is Bernie _corrupting_ the image, or just making it not compatible with other emulators (such as KEGS)? Is it possible for those programmatically inclined to create a utility to "fix" disk images used by Bernie before they are submitted to KEGS (or other programs)? Steven Weyhrich --< Apple II History http://apple2history.org (A2HISTORY, Cat 29, Top 6, Msg 8) [EOA] [ITL]------------------------ ILLUMINATING THE LAMP | ----------------------------- An overview of GEnieLamp A2 and The Lamp! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EDITOR'S NOTE """"""""""""" The series, Illuminating The Lamp, will be continued next month. [EOA] [ANS]------------------------------- ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM | ------------------------------------ by Lyle Syverson [TSU] TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or to sign up! (Logon message) [EOA] [ASR] The August 2003 Issue of Syndicommotion Is Ready """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The August 2003 (Volume 2, Number 8) issue of Syndicommotion has been emailed to subscribers. The HTML edition can be found online at the following URL: http://www.syndicomm.com/syndicommotion/v2n8.html (KGAGNE, HelpDesk, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 12) [EOA] [TTC]------------------------------- THE TINKERER'S CORNER | ------------------------------------ By Lyle Syverson Deja II - Classic Appleworks 5.1 on an Older Mac ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This emulator, code named OpenPhoenix, is very specialized. It allows you to run classic Appleworks 5.1 on your older Mac. It was commercial software but has been released for free use. It is neat to see AW 5.1 running on your Mac. You can have other Mac applications up and running at the same time. The clipboard conversion feature provides a handy way to move data between AW and regular Mac programs. What You Will Need '''''''''''''''''' 1. The archive package. Go to http://www.gno.org/pub/apple2/mac.tools/ a. Download 'openphoenix.txt' for a description of the emulator package. b. The file 'openphoenix.sea.hgx' contains the archive package. 2. Your Appleworks 5.0 or 5.1 original disks. Several files are needed to setup Deja II. 3. A Mac running System 7. It is not clear from information in the archive if later versions of the OS are supported. Note... an older Mac suitable for this use can be acquired for a very modest investment. Where to Get an Older Mac ''''''''''''''''''''''''' 1. Thrift stores. 2. Garage sales. 3. Usenet... comp.sys.apple2.marketplace 4. The Mac forum on Syndicomm 5. LEM-Swap list 6. Alltech Electronics 8. Other World Computer 9. Mac-Res-Q or call 1-888-447-3728 Setting up Deja II '''''''''''''''''' The archive is well organized. Decompress it and follow the directions. [EOA] YOU ARE INVITED """"""""""""""" You are invited to submit your favorite Tinkerer's Project for the Apple II computers. Send your write up or idea to Lyle Syverson, Editor The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted. The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_. [EOA] [LTE]------------------------------- LETTERS TO THE EDITOR | ------------------------------------ LETTER TO EDITOR """""""""""""""" Subject: power supplies Lyle: Thanks for the idea in the last issue (tlmp0306). Just after reading the issue my //e took its final gasp when I had to turn the power off in order to swap out my very old original drives (~22 years old) with a couple of newer drives that I had acquired over the net. This was the 2nd power supply that I had worn out in over 16 years of usage. The computer is an early //e that I have updated and have 6 cards, a No Slot Clock, a numeric keypad and an 8 Mhz Zip Chip. I have a friend who has a lot of old Apple computers and parts. He sent me a couple of //e power supplies along with many other things. The package came yesterday and I took one of the power supplies and connected it up to the //e with the power supply laying outside behind the computer. It works great. The tip said that the idea was easy for the //gs. It is also easy for the //e. The hardest thing that I had to do was enlarge hole #12 very SLIGHTLY in order to get the connector through the back of the computer case. Again, thanks for the timely idea. Yours, Dan Wallace [EOA] AN INVITATION ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of the Apple II computers. Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted. The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_. [EOA] [KFT]------------------------------ KFest 2003 | ----------------------------------- [ESL] KansasFest 2003 - The Editor's Slant """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" by Lyle Syverson, editor, _The Lamp!_ Fate Brings Woz to KansasFest 2003 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It started with an email to Woz asking if he would place information about KFest on his web site. He writes back saying, in effect, "That sounds interesting. I think I would like to come... if you would have me." As they say, "the rest is history". He Keeps us Guessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Woz is a very busy man. We didn't know until the last minute when he was coming or how long he was staying. So we had to make last minute changes in the schedule. Picking Him up at the Airport ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fate placed me in the van designated to pick up Woz from the airport. As we arrived at the gate we learned that his flight would be ten minutes early. After a five minute wait here he comes, looking from side to side for some sign of those who were picking him up. Then came a moment that should have been recorded on film... his face lit up with a very special expression as he spotted the KFest shirt. We introduced ourselves. Through lively conversation on the trip back to the dorm we learned that he is a practical joker. Among other things he has these sheets of two dollar bills that are perforated. From time to time he likes to pay for a purchase by tearing the bills from the sheet and handing them to the clerk. Seems some people think they are fake. We stopped at a McDonalds drive-through for him to pick up some food... the order included Apple Pie. :) As it turned out he spent the night at a hotel rather than the dorm... he had a speech to write. The Keynote by Woz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He wove a fascinating story of events in his life leading up to the creation of Apple Computer, his experiences at Apple, and his currant life. The two hour speech and the half hour question and answer session slipped by before we knew it. He was deeply moved by the standing ovation at the end. The Cookout ~~~~~~~~~~~ The weather was perfect. The food was good. Woz added a very special touch to the event. As people were finishing their food they began asking Woz to autograph their computers, name tags, etc. Someone asked him to autograph a computer of "another brand". He did autograph it... then drew a line through the autograph. Then it was off to the airport for Woz. We were delighted to have had him at KFest. The Draw of KansasFest - Memories and Challenges ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Think of the commitment of time and money for those who came from Australia, Germany, and Japan. A USB interface for the Apple II? The prototype of the hardware is ready. People are working on the software. In fact the card, called AnyCard, also includes hardware for a VGA monitor connection, an IDE connection, and a connection for a CompactFlash. Many hours writing software lie ahead to get it all going. [EOA] [CKR] CINDY'S KFest 2003 REPORT """"""""""""""""""""""""" KFest 2003 report Over the years it's become somewhat of a tradition for me to write a report while I was waiting for my flight home. This year, I made a mad dash to get an earlier flight than I had planned, so I'm writing this on the plane. It was a BIG rush, but I got up at 6:45, and made it to the airport in time to return the rental car and make a 9:30 flight! Tuesday - July 22 KFest begins with the arrival of a lot of long time friends, and quite a few new ones. I think there were 17 newbies this year. The main group went to Sweet Tomatoes for dinner, but a renegade group went to Stephenson's Apple Orchard. I can only report on the Stephenson's group, and I know we all had a wonderful time and enjoyed the food and beverages! Woz arrives!! Things were kind of quiet, so I was wandering around the second floor looking for new people. I walked by a room and saw a man I didn't know standing by the window. I said hi and introduced myself. When he turned around, I was shocked to see that it was Woz, and in my most eloquent voice I said, "Wow, I know who you are!" Good grief. I welcomed him to KFest and we talked a few minutes. He had not expected to be in a dorm, and asked if I could find Howard to see about getting him to a hotel. I asked if he'd like me to go find Howard, or if he'd like to walk around with me. He opted for the latter. We went upstairs and found a group of people watching the DVD of his speech from the '80's. He got a kick out of that and watched for a few minutes. It was fun watching the KFesters as they realized who he was. Then we went into the hall and Tony Diaz started showing him some of the hardware collection. It didn't take very long for a crowd to gather. Wednesday - July 23 Woz makes the Keynote Address. It took some creative planning, but the schedule for today was changed and the Keynote was before the Kookout. Woz talked about his early life and how it had been influenced by various people and books. He spent over two hours enthralling everyone in attendance. He then opened it up for questions. I hate to admit it, but I ducked out to spend the day with a long time friend, so I missed the Kookout and autograph session. Thursday - July 24 KFest sessions begin! Tony Diaz had a arranged a day full of sessions for the programers and normal users alike. As usual, the evening was full of visiting with friends, making new ones, and learning all about computers! Friday - July 25 More sessions and The Roast of Geoff Weiss, and what a roast! Ken Gagne has become a great MC, and helped to organize a fantastically funny roast. Most of the presenters had spent HOURS working on their very high tech presentations. (myself excluded) Max jones, Richard Forest-Bennett, Ryan Sueanage, Eric Shepherd, and myself had the pleasure of roasting Geoff. I hope he will forgive us! The late night activities included some sitting in the floor, a trip to see a movie (not Planet of the Apes), and what I heard was an expedition to IHOP about 3:00 am. Saturday - July 26 Another day of presentations, contests, and spending money at the Vendor Fair, followed by the annual trek to KC Masterpiece. The winners of the GShisen contest, HackFest, and CansasFest were announced, and some great prices were awarded. After seeing the Palm that Steve G won in GShisen, I think I'd better practice for next year! I want to say a big thanks to everyone that helped to make this the best KFest in quite a while. Now it's time to start planning and looking forward to KFest 2004. The dates were announced as July 20-25, 2004. One other little announcement was made that I'm returning to my former job as The Big Cheese. A big thanks to The Grand Gouda for giving me a few years vacation and letting me just enjoy KFest! I hope that we can keep the excitement going and have another wonderful KFest in 2004. Cindy The Big Cheese (CINDYADAMS, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 97) [EOA] [EKF] ENJOYED KansasFest """""""""""""""""" I really enjoyed myself at KansasFest 2003. There were so many neat new people there and a lot of people that I've not seen in a few years. The Woz Keynote was a real treat. I learned lots of new tricks and enjoyed every session I had the pleasure of attending. The Syndicomm PizzaFest rocked (Special thanks to Eric and Sarah). The contest prizes were really great. (I was really hoping to win the Zip GS, what a great prize...thanks Lyle). Thanks to the presenters, the planners and the attendees. There are still a few people from here at Syndicomm that I would love to see at Kfest 2004. Any chance of getting you to come? The time to start planning is now... Kfest 2004 will be here before you know it. Dain Neater Keeper of the A2 Boards Kfest bound 2004 (A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 98) [EOA] [NAU] NEW AND UPDATED PRODUCTS AT KFest """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" New and updated products at KFest synopsis: AppleMouse PS/2 Mouse adapter (non-ADB) from VintageWare Ultimate Uptime from Syndicomm DV-ROMulan A2 from Tony Diaz SIS 1.2 from Geoff Weiss (now open source) Marinetti 3.0b1 Public beta from MOSP (kudos to Richard Bennett-Forrest and Andrew Roughan) Softdisk Supreme from Syndicomm The Protector from Syndicomm I also showed Emily, my send only email NDA, but it ain't done :-) Also not quite done: C1 computer and AnyCard from Jeri Ellsworth Good KFest for new stuff; we'll have to ramp up the bulletin board. Ryan (A2.RYAN, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 99) [EOA] [AGK] A GREAT KFest """"""""""""" This was a great, great KFest. I'm gradually getting news items posted to A2Central.com -- I was so busy that I didn't get much posted before our server went down. :) Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit. (SYNDICOMM, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 100) [EOA] [KGB] KFest JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" KFest just keeps getting better. It's easy to tell how much people are enjoying themselves by the lack of reports being posted during the week. Everyone wants to be out experiencing KFest and not sitting at their computer. Cindy The Big Cheese KFest 2004 July 20-25, 2004 (CINDYADAMS, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 101) [EOA] [XML] XML FOR STORING DATA """""""""""""""""""" Hans' discussion on using XML for storing data from disks, particularly Apple II disks, was fascinating. I never thought of setting up storage that way, but it's quite logical. Ryan (A2.RYAN, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 102) [EOA] [GCT] GShisen COMPETITION TOUGH """"""""""""""""""""""""" Well, Kfest 2003 has come and gone and like all of the Kfests before it, I failed to make it out of the first round in the GShisen contest. My time of 6:00+ failed to qualify. Steve G managed to take home the Kfest Gshisen crown this year, while Sarah Shepherd took second and CarlK scored third place. First prize this year was the $299 Palm Zire 71 courtesy of the Shepherds. Hopefully next year I can advance to the second round:) Thanks Max for hosting the tournament and special thanks to Kelvin for the programming that brought about GShisen. Dain Neater (A2.DAIN, Cat 14, Top 6, Msg 16) [EOA] [KFF]------------------------------ KFest 2004 | ----------------------------------- [KF4] KansasFest 2004 """"""""""""""" KansasFest 2004 is planned for July 20-25, 2004 at Avila University in Kansas City, Missouri. (Heading: Cat 5, Top 22) [EOA] [STP] START PLANNING """""""""""""" It's time to start planning for KFest 2004. It will be July 20-25, 2004. Cindy KFest Big Cheese (CINDYADAMS, Cat 5, Top 22, Msg 1) [EOA] [PBT] PLANS TO BE THERE """"""""""""""""" As always I plan on being there in 2004. I learned in 2001 that the best laid plans don't always work out. It will take some big things happening for me to not be there. I find it amazing that some of you have been there so many times. I wish I were so lucky. Dain Neater (A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 22, Msg 5) [EOA] [VKF] WATCH FOR MORE INFORMATION AT THE KFest HOME PAGE """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" KFest Home Page http://www.kfest.org/ [EOA] [INN]------------------------------ EXTRA INNINGS | ----------------------------------- About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on """"""""""""""" the WEB at: http://lamp.a2central.com/ This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computers using Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes. Apple II Forever! * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2003 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W. All rights reserved. * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to thelamp@sheppyware.net * All issues of The Lamp! are available at The Lamp! Home Page, http://lamp.a2central.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed herein are those of the individual authors, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of A2Central.com, Delphi Online Services, Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, or Lyle Syverson. Forum messages are reprinted verbatim and are included in this publication with permission from the individual authors. A2Central.com, Delphi Online Services, Syndicomm, Ryan M. 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